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mierin
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On March 20 2018 01:57 mierin wrote: I've never heard of Where...interested to see his performance. Also goes by MIsO Fairly confident Snow will make it out. One of the Less star-studded groups but should still be interesting. | ||
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StylishVODs
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Anyway, I'm hyped. | ||
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Kuks
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Wait, island recalls paired with responding drop ship statis? =O! | ||
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oEkY
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TaardadAiel
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Let's see if Last is still the powerhouse we think he is, because he had a few hiccups in the qualifiers and maybe he's not as menacing offline as he used to be. He is still a TvZ monster, though, so I suppose he'll beat Miso, but in a winner match against Snow I have my doubts. I hope I am wrong, since there are not many really strong terrans beside Flash. Mind is really good, yea, but that's pretty much it, as Mong is in the 50% winrate since forever and both Sharp and Light are declining IMO. Terran FIGHTING! P.S. Prediction: Snow qualifies first, Last qualifies through the loser match. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 20 2018 12:22 Peeano wrote: EsportsJohn, you casting? Unfortunately no. On March 19 2018 14:54 EsportsJohn wrote: Hey everyone, just wanted to spread the word that I'll be taking a break from casting the ASL and Brood War in general. Got a second job that starts at the same time as ASL (6am ET), so I have to drop that for now. Will still probably be watching and lurking in the LR threads, but I just wanted to let the few people who watch my cast on the ENG2 stream know. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
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deathgod6
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PVJ
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These are just very strong maps for Terran but if someone can channel the power of the Samsung Protosses it's Snow. Miso played great games in the past months he showed up on my highlight reel a lot but I do agree it's such a tough group for him. He also hasn't really proven himself offline. Interesting note: Last and Miso were in the same group last ASL too. They both lost to Stork and went out in the Ro24. Interesting note 2: It's not just Miso who's underrated. While this group doesn't have that starpower it might have one of the highest Sponbbang Elo-averages. Ranking as of today: 3. Snow, 1193 5. Last, 1181.8 11. Mong, 1140.6 . . . 25. Miso, 1038.2 | ||
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tanngard
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StylishVODs
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On March 20 2018 17:11 PVJ wrote: These are just very strong maps for Terran but if someone can channel the power of the Samsung Protosses it's Snow. Wait what? | ||
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PVJ
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I didn't check the stats but whenever I saw Mong, Last, or Mind play, they pretty much won vZ and vP maybe except against Soulkey. That is some heavy bias, of course but that counts more for me than the three non-mirror matches of Light and Rush. | ||
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Essbee
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On March 20 2018 19:02 TheSkilfulQuail wrote: Maybe not Essbee- he didn't qualify until the last set so he's been a bit weak in tournaments recently tbh Yeah I know, i'm just being hopeful :S | ||
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Heartland
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TheSkilfulQuail
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Edit: where is Aka miso, if that helps | ||
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prosatan
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On March 20 2018 19:15 Heartland wrote: So if you shoot an uncloaked Wraith with the glaives and there is a cloaked one next to the uncloaked wraith, does the cloaked one get hit? yes :D | ||
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Thanks | ||
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prosatan
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On March 20 2018 19:19 Heartland wrote: did Last just win? not yet ^^ | ||
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oEkY
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On March 20 2018 19:03 oEkY wrote: Miso ftw! yehaw! | ||
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Warfie
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and snow also has a kinda goofy song | ||
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oEkY
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On March 20 2018 19:42 Warfie wrote: wait did we see other TvPs in ASL on this map yet? I can't remember 2 x PvP / 2 x PvZ / 2 x TvZ / 1 x TvT so far | ||
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GTR
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ok. | ||
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r.Evo
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On March 20 2018 20:13 GTR wrote: snow has 1k minerals yet only 1 cannon ok. Yeah, I don't get why he didn't just plop a few down, he was constantly floating minerals during that. | ||
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oEkY
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On March 20 2018 03:19 oEkY wrote: Imo miso is definitly underrated, i really hope he can prove that his power rank is wrong. Power Rank #28 goes 2-0  | ||
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Arvendilin
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On March 20 2018 20:24 PVJ wrote: Is Artosis now solocasting? Tasteless got to distressed by a Protoss not building cannons, it is afterall the thing Tasteless does best! | ||
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Kaal
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Arvendilin
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On March 20 2018 20:30 Kaal wrote: Who designed this map? It's awful. God I feel sorry for whoever gets midspawn, thats gotta be like auto-loss. I wouldn't say so, you can do a lot of map pressure from the middle position, its not the worst thing in the world! For example I just recently saw Stork beat Flash from the mid position. | ||
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PVJ
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Hopefully will be just like Stork v Last from ASL4 | ||
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Arvendilin
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On March 20 2018 20:37 PVJ wrote: Meaning: Great instense late-game Pvt where P wins.: ) I'm actually rooting for the Terran here, we need more of them so that later rounds will be more fun. | ||
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On March 20 2018 20:51 Sd13 wrote: Te...sagi ? LUL | ||
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GTR
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i think it's safe to say he's the most overrated player right now. | ||
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On March 20 2018 20:53 RowdierBob wrote: This map pool is tough for terrans. Will be interesting to see how flash goes. That's what I have been saying for years. You can easily affect the balance by changing the map pool. For now, 2 terrans in the ro16 with a maximum of 4. And already 5 protoss and 5 zergs in the ro16. Flash is keeping the terran race alive. | ||
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M2
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On March 20 2018 20:52 GTR wrote: last bombing out in the ro24 twice, even struggling to qualify this season. i think it's safe to say he's the most overrated player right now. I dont know, best of 1s were never a good measure of skill in BW, you can always be outsmarted in a single game and lose unless you are flash | ||
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Essbee
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On March 20 2018 20:56 M2 wrote: I dont know, best of 1s were never a good measure of skill in BW, you can be always outsmarted in a single game and lose unless you are flash Agreed. I still am supremely disappointed by Last though | ||
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rackdude
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On March 20 2018 20:56 M2 wrote: I dont know, best of 1s were never a good measure of skill in BW, you can always be outsmarted in a single game and lose unless you are flash Last has been disappointing for a very long time now. At some point it's not a fluke. | ||
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Snorkels
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itsdaniel
Austria332 Posts
 Last simply an idiot? or is it a psychological thingy on stage? how can he get 0-2ed???? | ||
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Golgotha
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tanngard
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On March 20 2018 20:56 M2 wrote: I dont know, best of 1s were never a good measure of skill in BW, you can always be outsmarted in a single game and lose unless you are flash I think they should introduce bo3 in the losers match and final match. These are the two with the highest stakes and it could be good for the quality of the games if the players could play with a less anxious state of mind. Its so brutal for some of these players to only get two games and then "see you next time" | ||
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rotta
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On March 20 2018 20:51 Sd13 wrote: Te...sagi ? Flash will still win so yes. | ||
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Peeano
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On March 20 2018 21:18 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: i know you guys are in shock with last but what do u think about miso vs snow? Miso had a nice early game. I was surprised to see Snow still going with the 2stargate pump. Miso let the 1 Zealot in his main do far too much damage. Initial thought on the result: Snow threw away a pretty much sealed victory. However: Miso is probably familiar with Snow's play and did exactly what he had to do to in order to win. The 1 DT could have backfired really hard on Miso, he really went all out all in. I'm pretty sure Snow's building placement could be improved... It would probably help his building timings... | ||
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Motivate
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i feel this map pool is really out to get flash and the other terrans are collateral damage. that being said, both those terrans played pretty badly. last seemed to think he beat a zerg with pure wraith/valkyrie. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
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Nematocyst
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If anyone needs to be in the Ro16 selection, it's Mong! At least Shine is there. I'm reminded of the ASL3 Ro16 selection where Best was pretending Mong has some unstoppable TvT build so Flash wouldn't relocate Mong. Hilarious. Anyway, props to Snow, and esp Miso. I caught a moment of his stream earlier, and he was going nuts... wearing shades, and doing a spastic drummer impersonation. He's obviously ecstatic. | ||
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WGT-Baal
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I m happy for snow too | ||
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StylishVODs
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On March 21 2018 01:45 crbox wrote: I had last and mong on my liquibet -.- Gotta take into consideration that maps are constructed to shut FlaSh down. I was suprised Mind qualified, but then again he got a TvT=) Also, the answer to SnOw's build is to scout the proxy robo and bunker rush it. fyi | ||
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Dazed.
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On March 20 2018 20:52 GTR wrote: Savior failed to even qualify for the osl multiple times when he was bonjwa, so...last bombing out in the ro24 twice, even struggling to qualify this season. i think it's safe to say he's the most overrated player right now. | ||
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On March 20 2018 23:50 Alpha-NP- wrote: I wish Flash would grow some **** and choose a Protoss. TvZ too easy for Flash. TvP is also too easy for Flash. Remember the ASL4 semifinals against Bisu? Flash crushed that scrub so bad that he ran away to the army. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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That being said, Last totally deserved to lose against Miso, what was he thinking? Terran air superiority is on a clock on Sparkle, unless you expand like mad behind the pressure and then tech to BCs or use the window to drop several expansions at once. Mong, on the other hand, just had pretty much everything against him. Last has a consistently better TvT than Mong and he had to play one of the best, if not the best, reaver user - on an island map. | ||
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ne4aJIb
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Why was he making a control tower?!! Didn't he watch all pvts in Gladiator? The main spot for proxy robo... | ||
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crbox
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On March 21 2018 07:57 Alpha-NP- wrote: How could they buff Terran against Zerg on a map patch to Sparkle? Sample size seems a bit too small to jump to conclusion. Isn't weird that, from what i saw in practice (been watching a ton of pro players stream especially when the maps first were released), Zerg would get crushed on Sparkle by Terran, but when it comes to pro matches they prepared much better build. Zerg seems to have a lot of options on that map. Shine opening 4hatch before pool into hydra drops, and Miso opening with a super quick spire (similar to a zvz build sort of). I think the latter will become the standard on this map. | ||
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onlystar
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but as often its a bit annoying when they display the lack of basic game knowledge, they thought proxy robo with the first reaver rushing to attack the bunker was ''a new style'' or play this is so silly when you think of it they describe it as a hardcounter to the rax cc witch they are correct but if you think about that you know immediately it has been around since terrans started doing that rax cc expands builds.. so that is since like what?? 2005 2006ish? i know for sure the proxy robo build is nothing new and the use of reaver in that matter. every protoss / terran users knows how important the bunker is and how easy it is to take down with reaver splash damage infact its something everyprotoss always try to do when they proxy robo get a few shots of on the bunker (can kill ALOT of scv in that matter even if you dont take down the bunker) if fails fly into the main or either bulldog or elevator its just normal tactics if you choose to go proxy robo to counter the rax cc.. back to the group C god im DEVASTED by this Last such a incredible master at his game blind sighted by an obvious spot to build the proxy even scouting for this but checks only one side!? of the map wtf just my mind is puzzled how could this happen. ( i guess Last fallen into the trap of thinking it was 2gate ranged goon or at least just goon pressure since the goon count piled up quickly and he hadn't been able to scout only saw just goons walking towards him and didn see any proxy robo yet still scouted for this. i bet he wanted to scout with another scv but it was already to late too high goon count at the front of the natural very quickly one of those super gimmicky aspects of that map like how hydra busts are super deadly and just can drop protosses dead with eaz on the map.) and than yea its just so salty the build is so hardcounter to the rax cc no matter how good you are you can just lose to this what happened between snow/last reminds me alot of how Horang2 took out Flash in msl on the same map blind sighting him 2 proxy gates dark in front of the natural flash scouting it to little too late | ||
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Miragee
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Last looked kind of bad on Sparkle. No pressure, no expanding? He did nothing in that game and let Where go up to 6 bases uncontested. He deserved to drop out. I feel a bit bad for Mong but this wasn't the group for him to get out of unfortunately. I don't know about Snow. His PvT seems sharp but I would have liked to see a full game against Last. That build in game 5 proved his balls of steel for sure. I mean, that robo + gateway placement was literally just out of sight and could have easily been scouted. But yeah, without the scout it was a walk-over. | ||
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BigFan
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Sad about Mong but that game vs Mong was really cool. He microed like a champ early on when he dropped Snow's exp but it went downhill and he never recovered. Reavers too strong! ;p | ||
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Peeano
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If only we could have seen Bisu play on Sparkle... We needed this map back in 2009. So much potential for sick games... | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
On March 21 2018 02:04 StylishVODs wrote: Gotta take into consideration that maps are constructed to shut FlaSh down. I was suprised Mind qualified, but then again he got a TvT=) Also, the answer to SnOw's build is to scout the proxy robo and bunker rush it. fyi That still doesn't sound good though. It's not like early game bunker rushing where Z/P have workers and no units. Here, you're walking into 4 goons with SCVs and 4 marines. The marines cannot be guarded by the SCVs since the goons can just snipe them anyways. This is the whole reason T sits behind the bunker at this stage in the first place. So you're really just throwing a bunch of SCVs out there to get a bunker up and having 6 marines or so come in after its done, hoping to get a few into the bunker and eventually take down the building? At that point, even if you get the bunker up you're going to take pretty heavy losses. The Protoss should easily come out ahead even when they lose the proxy just because you're investing so many workers to get a single bunker up without units supporting it. | ||
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Dazed.
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been around since terrans started doing that rax cc expands builds.. No...try 2010...so that is since like what?? 2005 2006ish? | ||
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Qikz
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On March 22 2018 02:25 Dazed. wrote: No...try 2010... People were doing Rax Double in late 2008. It was map dependent though. | ||
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Dazed.
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On March 22 2018 02:37 Qikz wrote: Which maps?People were doing Rax Double in late 2008. It was map dependent though. | ||
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asel
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On March 22 2018 02:37 Qikz wrote: People were doing Rax Double in late 2008. It was map dependent though. I'm pretty sure you won't find players doing this build regulary in the TSL 2 (2009) rep packs. Maybe there were some korean pros doing it on specific maps, but at that time it was as exotic as FE in PvP. Nowadays both is common. I played quiet actively till 2010 and remember that I was totally amazed by the FE build when I came back to the game around 2012. But maybe memory is playing a trick on me | ||
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Letmelose
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I think it was either Flash or Sea who said on stream that it was the Estro terrans such as UpMaGiC and Really who started to experiment with barrack expansion builds versus the protoss race. The above game is one of the earliest examples of such a case, with UpMaGiC trying it out in early 2009. | ||
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edit: it was only when protoss players started doing 21 nexus to get ahead of the standard fd/fe builds and terran's developing proper sim city placement that the build truly became mainstream. | ||
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On March 24 2018 23:00 Alpha-NP- wrote: Yo Mini is playing tonight. What is his playstyle? I think someone said he is really cheezey player. Is he as good a Protoss as like Best and Snow? Apparently his PvZ is Bisu-esque. Haven't watched him though, that's only what I heard. | ||
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tanngard
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On March 24 2018 23:00 Alpha-NP- wrote: Yo Mini is playing tonight. What is his playstyle? I think someone said he is really cheezey player. Is he as good a Protoss as like Best and Snow? He is defintively not someone that needs to rely on cheese, but he can be very aggressive and suprising for sure. Entertaining to watch. Has practised a lot of PvZ lately and has a really good score vs them. | ||
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PVJ
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Also, whoever is interested in Mini's PvZ: Check out him v Larva in the People's Sponbbang vol. 2, starting in 27 minutes: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/532146-the-peoples-sponbbang-2-on-3-24-1500-edt | ||
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Qikz
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On March 22 2018 13:06 Letmelose wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx-yxkT4-as I think it was either Flash or Sea who said on stream that it was the Estro terrans such as UpMaGiC and Really who started to experiment with barrack expansion builds versus the protoss race. The above game is one of the earliest examples of such a case, with UpMaGiC trying it out in early 2009. I miss UpMagic. Damnit T_T | ||
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