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_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
October 31 2017 11:15 GMT
#461
On October 31 2017 20:10 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:09 njoe wrote:
Ah, too passive and reactive, Bisu...


What did FlaSh do any differently than Bisu? They both sat and macro'd, FlaSh macro'd off of 3 bases and won and Bisu macro'd off of 6 bases and loss (because Bisu took a pretty big early game/eco lead). What did FlaSh do any better than Bisu that warranted him to win that game?

Bisu didnt trade well, and had no gates at 11 to outpump flash if/when he gets out of base.
Luv ya BroodWar!
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
October 31 2017 11:15 GMT
#462
is this bo5 or bo7?
Ubersturmfuhrer
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland206 Posts
October 31 2017 11:15 GMT
#463
stasis is overrated.. why not recall atop Flash's army?
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
October 31 2017 11:15 GMT
#464
On October 31 2017 20:14 Levque wrote:
its pretty gross how little room for error there is for the other races vs terran.


Every race has little room for error against each other. You must be new to starcraft, welcome.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7200 Posts
October 31 2017 11:15 GMT
#465
On October 31 2017 20:13 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:10 Miragee wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:09 BigFan wrote:
my stream froze right as Bisu was moving into Flash's army at the natural. Can someone pleaseeee tell me what the hell happened? Bisu had 6 bases mining, he had a ton of gates and was banking then I get the stream and Bisu is close to Flash's supply, flash banking now and Bisu is getting pushed back to his nat..................


Basically Bisu threw down 2 stasis in the front, so his army couldn't reach any of the sieged tanks behind. lol

my god... when will pros stop doing this. It seems pretty obvious to stasis the back tanks so that your units can actually attack :/

is not obvious,u should watch the game,i never seen this in my life,it was basically a big big terran army that blocked the fucking bridge xDD
Levque
Profile Joined October 2016
88 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#466
On October 31 2017 20:15 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:14 Levque wrote:
its pretty gross how little room for error there is for the other races vs terran.


Every race has little room for error against each other. You must be new to starcraft, welcome.


Wrong
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#467
So Crossing Field where Bisu would have to... go Carriers?

I am not sure how this won't be a 0-3.
The heart's eternal vow
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10096 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#468
On October 31 2017 20:14 Breach_hu wrote:
Lets hope a redeeming win on Crossing Field, Go Bisu!


Bisu lost a macro game playing to his strength when he had a big lead, don't think he's looking forward to microing carriers vs FlaSh..
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#469
On October 31 2017 20:10 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:09 njoe wrote:
Ah, too passive and reactive, Bisu...


What did FlaSh do any differently than Bisu? They both sat and macro'd, FlaSh macro'd off of 3 bases and won and Bisu macro'd off of 6 bases and loss (because Bisu took a pretty big early game/eco lead). What did FlaSh do any better than Bisu that warranted him to win that game?


What do you mean? He survived to the mid/lategame without taking fatal damage and falling light years behind. That's gotta count for something
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#470
i think this will be 3-0 flash has been tvping on this map a lot xD
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#471
On October 31 2017 20:14 Levque wrote:
its pretty gross how little room for error there is for the other races vs terran.


last I heard hold lurkers (ZERG) and Dts/stasis/recall/storm can be pretty devastating, too and change the outcome of a game in an instant


dont make this topic into a race balance discussion T_T
hatred outlives the hateful
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#472
On October 31 2017 20:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:13 BigFan wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:10 Miragee wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:09 BigFan wrote:
my stream froze right as Bisu was moving into Flash's army at the natural. Can someone pleaseeee tell me what the hell happened? Bisu had 6 bases mining, he had a ton of gates and was banking then I get the stream and Bisu is close to Flash's supply, flash banking now and Bisu is getting pushed back to his nat..................


Basically Bisu threw down 2 stasis in the front, so his army couldn't reach any of the sieged tanks behind. lol

my god... when will pros stop doing this. It seems pretty obvious to stasis the back tanks so that your units can actually attack :/

is not obvious,u should watch the game,i never seen this in my life,it was basically a big big terran army that blocked the fucking bridge xDD


Bisu should learn how to pinch the loaf
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#473
On October 31 2017 20:15 StarscreamG1 wrote:
is this bo5 or bo7?

Bo5
The heart's eternal vow
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7200 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#474
On October 31 2017 20:15 _Animus_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:10 TT1 wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:09 njoe wrote:
Ah, too passive and reactive, Bisu...


What did FlaSh do any differently than Bisu? They both sat and macro'd, FlaSh macro'd off of 3 bases and won and Bisu macro'd off of 6 bases and loss (because Bisu took a pretty big early game/eco lead). What did FlaSh do any better than Bisu that warranted him to win that game?

Bisu didnt trade well, and had no gates at 11 to outpump flash if/when he gets out of base.

u dont waste stasis like that and expect to hold the terran 200/200,u cant fight ground vs ground like that,the only option is to have stasis or storms,
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 11:17:25
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#475
Bisu's whole protoss-versus-terran philosophy seems to be play flawlessly in order to reach a point where he can attack move from multiple bases to victory. No matter how large his lead, if Bisu cannot find a way to close out the game without recalling and attack moving his way to victory, he seems to be lost for direction.

It's a pattern that makes me frustrated beyond words for literally a decade. It's called large scale battles versus the terran army, and it takes more skill to master it than simply attack moving whilst spamming units from a dozen gateways.
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StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
October 31 2017 11:16 GMT
#476
I bet bisu go carriers, and flash will know it before hand.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10096 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 11:18:01
October 31 2017 11:17 GMT
#477
On October 31 2017 20:15 _Animus_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:10 TT1 wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:09 njoe wrote:
Ah, too passive and reactive, Bisu...


What did FlaSh do any differently than Bisu? They both sat and macro'd, FlaSh macro'd off of 3 bases and won and Bisu macro'd off of 6 bases and loss (because Bisu took a pretty big early game/eco lead). What did FlaSh do any better than Bisu that warranted him to win that game?

Bisu didnt trade well, and had no gates at 11 to outpump flash if/when he gets out of base.


Bisu had like 7+ gates at 11, making units isnt as good on that base (when T is marching with a 200/200 army towards your base) because T can just cut reinforcements with mines, you just keep bleeding units.
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8714 Posts
October 31 2017 11:17 GMT
#478
On October 31 2017 20:13 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:10 Miragee wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:09 BigFan wrote:
my stream froze right as Bisu was moving into Flash's army at the natural. Can someone pleaseeee tell me what the hell happened? Bisu had 6 bases mining, he had a ton of gates and was banking then I get the stream and Bisu is close to Flash's supply, flash banking now and Bisu is getting pushed back to his nat..................


Basically Bisu threw down 2 stasis in the front, so his army couldn't reach any of the sieged tanks behind. lol

my god... when will pros stop doing this. It seems pretty obvious to stasis the back tanks so that your units can actually attack :/


I think it's somewhat understandable in that situation, considering he is playing under a lot of pressure and caught Flash's vessels off guard so he tried to place the stasis as quick as possible before the EMPs would deny him. It's a split second decision under enormous pressure. Still a bad move but somewhat understandable...
CognacLover
Profile Joined January 2016
Poland66 Posts
October 31 2017 11:18 GMT
#479
What the hell was that Ebay block? I never seen that on BW, I only saw it on SC2.
Conservative olsdchooler.
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
October 31 2017 11:18 GMT
#480
the ebay :D
FTD
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