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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 31 2017 11:09 GMT
#421
my stream froze right as Bisu was moving into Flash's army at the natural. Can someone pleaseeee tell me what the hell happened? Bisu had 6 bases mining, he had a ton of gates and was banking then I get the stream and Bisu is close to Flash's supply, flash banking now and Bisu is getting pushed back to his nat..................
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 31 2017 11:09 GMT
#422
On October 31 2017 20:07 virpi wrote:
So basically, Flash wins.

Surprise, surprise!
njoe
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden26 Posts
October 31 2017 11:09 GMT
#423
Ah, too passive and reactive, Bisu...
The dark side of the Force is a path to many abilities...
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1208 Posts
October 31 2017 11:09 GMT
#424
Noob statis from Bisu on first attack ... many pro dont understand you must use stasis on back units...kill front units and go away....then do it again when t try to move out ....
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8475 Posts
October 31 2017 11:09 GMT
#425
On October 31 2017 20:08 TT1 wrote:
Funny how people think it's easy to engage a 200-200 Terran army as Protoss lol. A single 200 200 Terran army is worth 2 200/200 Protoss ground armies.


That's why he should have engaged earlier. He could have started to recall when he was 50-70 supply ahead and Flash was still working on his 2-1...
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10097 Posts
October 31 2017 11:09 GMT
#426
bisu's stasis were terrible in the beginning. 3 stasis to basically wall himself off from flash's army and ended losing like all of his zealots. FlaSh then just unsieges and bisu with -3 stasis from the first could easily roll him. You need to stasis the back tanks, not the front ones. that way, your army can easily clean up the frontal tanks and split flash's army in half.
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StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1652 Posts
October 31 2017 11:09 GMT
#427
Lol, people bashing bisu at this thread. The first two statis couldn't be better, but guess what, Flash was at 200 suplly already, at 15min. And a maxed out terran mech is a bit strong u know ^^
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
October 31 2017 11:10 GMT
#428
Flash is on another planet, having 400 apm during the late game like this is crazy to me, flash is playing perfectly.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1399 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 11:10:59
October 31 2017 11:10 GMT
#429
On October 31 2017 20:08 TT1 wrote:
Funny how people think it's easy to engage a 200-200 Terran army as Protoss lol. A single 200 200 Terran army is worth 2 200/200 Protoss ground armies.


That's the only reason why Protoss having double the income is considered balanced... not bad having double income and double production as a tactical means... (and magic units...)
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9990 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 11:10:51
October 31 2017 11:10 GMT
#430
On October 31 2017 20:09 njoe wrote:
Ah, too passive and reactive, Bisu...


What did FlaSh do any differently than Bisu? They both sat and macro'd, FlaSh macro'd off of 3 bases and won and Bisu macro'd off of 6 bases and loss (because Bisu took a pretty big early game/eco lead). What did FlaSh do any better than Bisu that warranted him to win that game?
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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
October 31 2017 11:10 GMT
#431
On October 31 2017 20:08 merz wrote:
Poor decision to remax mostly out of his main base. Should've remaxed at 11 o clock and came down crushing on Flashs attempt to establish a fourth. Now he just ran a good chunk of his army into an already sieged up position and didn't do much to stop the fourth of flash. GG


Yes! That was sickening to watch those rallied units get sieged
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia917 Posts
October 31 2017 11:10 GMT
#432
On October 31 2017 20:08 TT1 wrote:
Funny how people think it's easy to engage a 200-200 Terran army as Protoss lol. A single 200 200 Terran army is worth 2 200/200 Protoss ground armies.


Of course it is not easy, but watching Best/Rain handle those...well. Rain comfortably engages flash on equal supply against a sieged/mined up setup trading evenly & backing off after zealots and energy are out, over and over.

Lack of storm and using stasis on goddamn front tanks the first few times pretty much sealed it.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
October 31 2017 11:10 GMT
#433
Flash may win this ASL without dropping a single match.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 31 2017 11:10 GMT
#434
On October 31 2017 20:09 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:08 TT1 wrote:
Funny how people think it's easy to engage a 200-200 Terran army as Protoss lol. A single 200 200 Terran army is worth 2 200/200 Protoss ground armies.


That's why he should have engaged earlier. He could have started to recall when he was 50-70 supply ahead and Flash was still working on his 2-1...

Flash was safe against recalls. Sides were covered by 3+ turrets and mines, middle was covered by his army.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
October 31 2017 11:10 GMT
#435
I don't understand what Bisu's plan that game was, he was so ahead but just squandered his lead by doing nothing and wasting time. Didn't put up enough gateways at his northern bases to remax and crush despite his econ advantage. Didn't use recalls and storms despite having tech for it. wtf Bisu
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8475 Posts
October 31 2017 11:10 GMT
#436
On October 31 2017 20:09 BigFan wrote:
my stream froze right as Bisu was moving into Flash's army at the natural. Can someone pleaseeee tell me what the hell happened? Bisu had 6 bases mining, he had a ton of gates and was banking then I get the stream and Bisu is close to Flash's supply, flash banking now and Bisu is getting pushed back to his nat..................


Basically Bisu threw down 2 stasis in the front, so his army couldn't reach any of the sieged tanks behind. lol
LV_426
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland432 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 11:11:12
October 31 2017 11:11 GMT
#437
On October 31 2017 20:09 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Lol, people bashing bisu at this thread. The first two statis couldn't be better, but guess what, Flash was at 200 suplly already, at 15min. And a maxed out terran mech is a bit strong u know ^^


wtf u talking about, 2 first statis were pointless, he threw away his advantage there
NickHotS
Profile Joined May 2014
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 11:12:05
October 31 2017 11:11 GMT
#438
Bisu not incorporating any of the modern PvT flairs. Pure Gateway/Arbiter is not going to cut it versus Flash. He feels very weak strategically in this series. He's been playing so much better in past matches and on stream.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
October 31 2017 11:11 GMT
#439
On October 31 2017 20:10 Soulforged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:08 TT1 wrote:
Funny how people think it's easy to engage a 200-200 Terran army as Protoss lol. A single 200 200 Terran army is worth 2 200/200 Protoss ground armies.


Of course it is not easy, but watching Best/Rain handle those...well. Rain comfortably engages flash on equal supply against a sieged/mined up setup trading evenly & backing off after zealots and energy are out, over and over.

Lack of storm and using stasis on goddamn front tanks the first few times pretty much sealed it.

Plus he stasised a bunch of his own zealots that were right up in those tanks' grills. Free zealot kills for Flash.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4122 Posts
October 31 2017 11:11 GMT
#440
On October 31 2017 20:09 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:08 TT1 wrote:
Funny how people think it's easy to engage a 200-200 Terran army as Protoss lol. A single 200 200 Terran army is worth 2 200/200 Protoss ground armies.


That's why he should have engaged earlier. He could have started to recall when he was 50-70 supply ahead and Flash was still working on his 2-1...


I think Bisu wanted to recall earlier but Flash's vultures saw it
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