[ASL4] Ro8 Bisu vs Killer

On October 22 2017 16:12 keit wrote:
Hype!

Should be a very interesting series, Bisu winning should make up for a very interesting Bisu v Flash though.

On October 22 2017 18:30 mcmascote wrote:
Ok, guys. I'll try to watch this live, so... Whats the trick to make afreeca works for foreigners? Watch it as HTML5? Thats it?

On October 22 2017 18:39 Starlightsun wrote:


This works for player streams:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/512913-guide-watch-afreeca-sc-bw-streams-with-vlc

Don't know if it works for tournament as well. It eliminated the stream lag for me.

On October 22 2017 18:45 zion wrote:
Die protoss scum

On October 22 2017 19:23 Heartland wrote:


Do you know if that works with the VODs too? Because those are impossible to watch without stutter every four seconds.

On October 22 2017 19:27 Motivate wrote:
Baxter's play feeling a bit uninspiring

On October 22 2017 19:28 BigFan wrote:
Hooray Bisu! I got worried for a bit T.T


you could say he has no motivation

On October 22 2017 19:23 Heartland wrote:


Do you know if that works with the VODs too? Because those are impossible to watch without stutter every four seconds.

On October 22 2017 19:44 xccam wrote:
Killer's drop defence isn't as good as larva's that's for sure

On October 22 2017 19:47 Terrorbladder wrote:
This Ro8 sucks.

On October 22 2017 19:48 ShloobeR wrote:
was half expecting a killer upset but Bisu v Flash will be pretty hype

On October 22 2017 19:49 letian wrote:
Jaedong is not impressed on his stream.

On October 22 2017 19:49 letian wrote:
Jaedong is not impressed on his stream.

On October 22 2017 19:54 THE Sliggy wrote:
Bisu keeping the series short so I can catch Bonyth or Draco's stream. Thanks bud.

On October 22 2017 19:52 FlaShFTW wrote:

hey you always end up losing to my DTs lol

On October 22 2017 19:55 letian wrote:

Yeah, Draco stream is great. Yesterday he was a bit tired in the end though.

On October 22 2017 20:01 Ej_ wrote:
Welp, here comes the 3-0

On October 22 2017 19:01 batsnacks wrote:
lotta people don't realize protoss won't win on these maps :O

On October 22 2017 19:35 Holgerius wrote:
So frustrating seeing that same shuttle drop DTs 10 times in Killers main. You'd think that after all these years Killer would've learned that this game has a unit called scourge...

Well played by Bisu nonetheless.

On October 22 2017 20:50 mcmascote wrote:

He was using it in conjunction with his sairs every time.And killer was only on two gasses.

On October 23 2017 00:40 Xxio wrote:
The expected result.

On October 22 2017 21:17 FirstProbe wrote:


For the amount of damage he took, he was better off playing like a D rank noob and putting a sunken and spore in his base. It hurt to see him repeatedly take damage that way; against a player whose multitasking is amongst the best. Disappointing series, was hoping for more from Killer... err Baxter (the name change makes sense now).

On October 23 2017 01:20 Fazers wrote:
For Korean VODs, is there no way to watch other than Afreeca site? The video player buffers too much

On October 23 2017 01:20 Fazers wrote:
For Korean VODs, is there no way to watch other than Afreeca site? The video player buffers too much

On October 23 2017 01:34 juuust wrote:


I'd like to know this aswell. Couldn't find korean vods from youtube (I didn't try that hard though) and I really don't want to watch vods with english casters.

On October 23 2017 01:25 mastakilla[Xp] wrote:


I was thinking that too. But I rewatched the games on JDs youtube chanel. And JD said that Killer already was on low eco and it was better to protect his bases with units. There are progamers and he said there is a reason why they do it that way.

On October 23 2017 03:44 Barneyk wrote:
But 1 sunken and 1 spore in your bases isn't that much of an investment when you have that many hatcheries and you know your opponent is going for DTs.

On October 23 2017 06:40 ArvickHero wrote:

I'm tired of this type of criticism.

One sunken is 175 mineral (75+50+drone), not including lost mining time. You're suggesting a cost of 400+ minerals per base, which could easily be another control group of hydras, several groups of zerglings, or much faster tech. At a lower level, you might be able to shrug off the massive deficit through superior play. But against the greatest PvZ player in the world? Youre basically giving up the game. You'll deflect the harass, but then just get crushed either in an army engagement or by a timing attack.

On October 23 2017 11:13 sM.Zik wrote:
My memory is getting hazy, but has Bisu 3-0'd sAviOr in essentially the same way a decade ago?

On October 23 2017 10:01 Dante08 wrote:


So you're saying losing 10+ drones is better than building a sunken and spore? Bisu went sair DT for THREE games straight, if you know its coming it's way better to spend 400+ minerals rather than potentially lose your drones & tech. Not to mention you'll have to bring hydras and overlords back, which means more apm devoted to defending which means your other bases get attacked without you noticing. Also whats is another control group of hydras going to do when you have to bring your fighting hydras back to defend, which Killer did multiple times.

If you are better than your opponent I can understand why you would not want to invest in static defense, but against Bisu the best PvZer who did the same build 3 times in a row is just inexcusable.

On October 23 2017 10:01 Dante08 wrote:


So you're saying losing 10+ drones is better than building a sunken and spore? Bisu went sair DT for THREE games straight, if you know its coming it's way better to spend 400+ minerals rather than potentially lose your drones & tech. Not to mention you'll have to bring hydras and overlords back, which means more apm devoted to defending which means your other bases get attacked without you noticing. Also whats is another control group of hydras going to do when you have to bring your fighting hydras back to defend, which Killer did multiple times.

If you are better than your opponent I can understand why you would not want to invest in static defense, but against Bisu the best PvZer who did the same build 3 times in a row is just inexcusable.

On October 25 2017 04:26 dRaW wrote:
Is there till the recommended vod thread somewhere? I want to catch the best games of ASL4.

On October 23 2017 21:59 Liquid`Drone wrote:


There's an inbetween. One sunken and spore in each base would be a too significant investment, one that would make him fall too far behind. However, completely neglecting it did cost him any chance at the game. Like in the third game, he should have had one spore in the second base (the one where overlords can't travel too all that fast). Then he only needs to have enough hydras in that base to beat any impending dts, and he could have more overlords in his natural protected by a bigger swarm of hydra. So one spore+one sunken per base, that is too much. However, say, one spore and one additional hydra in his second natural, that actually would have stopped the harassment and made him enter the mid-game on pretty equal footing.