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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
September 19 2017 11:30 GMT
#121
What is it about this map that brings out all the stupid builds??
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2719 Posts
September 19 2017 11:31 GMT
#122
Protoss is balanced xD
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
September 19 2017 11:32 GMT
#123
Man, this stream is dropping out way too much for me. Have to duck out. Nobody else having issues?
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
September 19 2017 11:33 GMT
#124
Almost FBH almost!
The heart's eternal vow
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
September 19 2017 11:33 GMT
#125
interesting game
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21950 Posts
September 19 2017 11:33 GMT
#126
On September 19 2017 20:32 neutralrobot wrote:
Man, this stream is dropping out way too much for me. Have to duck out. Nobody else having issues?

smooth as butter here
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
September 19 2017 11:33 GMT
#127
So many all ins today holy moly!
日本語が上手ですね
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
September 19 2017 11:33 GMT
#128
why would FBH try to hold it at the natural there, just give it up and expand with enough tanks...
Give thanks and praise!
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
September 19 2017 11:33 GMT
#129
I felt FBH could've had that game at several points in that game. Oh well it was cool to see FBH again though.
Artosis loves Starcraft
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6738 Posts
September 19 2017 11:33 GMT
#130
On September 19 2017 20:32 neutralrobot wrote:
Man, this stream is dropping out way too much for me. Have to duck out. Nobody else having issues?

make sure u watch quality High and not source
Murchaldo
Profile Joined August 2017
18 Posts
September 19 2017 11:34 GMT
#131
On September 19 2017 20:30 Morbidius wrote:
What is it about this map that brings out all the stupid builds??


A variety of things. A Bo1 format encourages interesting builds, a 2 player map encourages proxies and unique timing attacks, and an easy 3rd gas changes the dynamic of a most matchups significantly.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
September 19 2017 11:35 GMT
#132
On September 19 2017 20:16 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2017 20:14 PVJ wrote:
On September 19 2017 20:12 oEkY wrote:
I just dont understand why Shuttle should be #20 in this times ASL Power Rank... i would be really surprised if he doesnt qualify for the Ro8 (depending on his next group obviously)

That's a good point.

By the way, has anyone compiled how many of the rankings did prove correct?

a lot of us overlooked his KCM matches. ever since ASL1 he hasnt really performed well in tournaments so to mock our PR after the fact is not a good way to make an argument. Maybe let us know this stuff when the PR comes out then look like a genius when it actually happens :D


No one is mocking it, I'm just interested in the numbers. Like, I wouldn't have guessed that it's not Last and Stork going through but Ssak. Same with Best. But I would have ranked Shuttle higher.
The heart's eternal vow
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10232 Posts
September 19 2017 11:35 GMT
#133
really wish that the deep 6 from FBH would have been able to get off the ground better but alas, not so :/ ggs fbh, no ceremonies for you :C
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ig0tfish
Profile Joined July 2009
United States345 Posts
September 19 2017 11:35 GMT
#134
he saw that proxy pylon and did nothing
Levque
Profile Joined October 2016
88 Posts
September 19 2017 11:36 GMT
#135
proxy hell every game...thx Bo1's!
traxamillion
Profile Joined August 2016
104 Posts
September 19 2017 11:37 GMT
#136
Map is too strong for T in TvP. 4 player maps better for toss. Plus the ease which T takes a 3rd. Encourages stuff like this
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10232 Posts
September 19 2017 11:37 GMT
#137
On September 19 2017 20:35 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2017 20:16 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 19 2017 20:14 PVJ wrote:
On September 19 2017 20:12 oEkY wrote:
I just dont understand why Shuttle should be #20 in this times ASL Power Rank... i would be really surprised if he doesnt qualify for the Ro8 (depending on his next group obviously)

That's a good point.

By the way, has anyone compiled how many of the rankings did prove correct?

a lot of us overlooked his KCM matches. ever since ASL1 he hasnt really performed well in tournaments so to mock our PR after the fact is not a good way to make an argument. Maybe let us know this stuff when the PR comes out then look like a genius when it actually happens :D


No one is mocking it, I'm just interested in the numbers. Like, I wouldn't have guessed that it's not Last and Stork going through but Ssak. Same with Best. But I would have ranked Shuttle higher.

you should also consider that the PR is done before groups are released. which means that including stuff like bad matchups like snow's PvZ could make or break a group where normally on average, his other matchups are fantastic and easily good enough to make it to the round of 8, but because of bad draws like this group for example, hes much more pressed to make it out.

PRs involve a ton of variables, and unique maps like gold rush and crossing field also add to a more volatile PR.
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-19 11:40:29
September 19 2017 11:37 GMT
#138
On September 19 2017 20:33 Breach_hu wrote:
why would FBH try to hold it at the natural there, just give it up and expand with enough tanks...

Yeah Artosis nailed it when he commented on how hard FBH wants to get that natural up.
Ofc we have the benefit of seeing how much Snow was investing in this attack.
But yeah, he could have easily gave up that base, saved his scvs from dying, and forced Snow to try and get up that ramp if he wanted to get any real damage done. And even before that, after he miraculously held the initial attack, had he not been greedy and kept scvs ready to repair the bunker, he would have held the natural, and snow would have been in a nigh unwinnable position.
Ahhhh, too bad FBH, maybe next time...
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10232 Posts
September 19 2017 11:38 GMT
#139
On September 19 2017 20:35 ig0tfish wrote:
he saw that proxy pylon and did nothing

because he thought it was just a scouting pylon. if he saw a probe near it he mightve tried to kill it, but how often do you see the pylon and have protoss go back and proxy 3 gates there?
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-19 11:46:21
September 19 2017 11:39 GMT
#140
On September 19 2017 20:37 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2017 20:35 PVJ wrote:
On September 19 2017 20:16 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 19 2017 20:14 PVJ wrote:
On September 19 2017 20:12 oEkY wrote:
I just dont understand why Shuttle should be #20 in this times ASL Power Rank... i would be really surprised if he doesnt qualify for the Ro8 (depending on his next group obviously)

That's a good point.

By the way, has anyone compiled how many of the rankings did prove correct?

a lot of us overlooked his KCM matches. ever since ASL1 he hasnt really performed well in tournaments so to mock our PR after the fact is not a good way to make an argument. Maybe let us know this stuff when the PR comes out then look like a genius when it actually happens :D


No one is mocking it, I'm just interested in the numbers. Like, I wouldn't have guessed that it's not Last and Stork going through but Ssak. Same with Best. But I would have ranked Shuttle higher.

you should also consider that the PR is done before groups are released. which means that including stuff like bad matchups like snow's PvZ could make or break a group where normally on average, his other matchups are fantastic and easily good enough to make it to the round of 8, but because of bad draws like this group for example, hes much more pressed to make it out.

PRs involve a ton of variables, and unique maps like gold rush and crossing field also add to a more volatile PR.


These are exactly the reasons why I wouldn't mock it even if it sounded like that. It's great you guys put it together and we can argue. But then I'm also interested in how the ranked players do, exactly to measure such things as volatility of groups and maps.

Also, consider that the PR is doing pretty well.
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