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Levque
Profile Joined October 2016
88 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-19 04:59:27
September 19 2017 04:49 GMT
#261
I would definitely like to see Bo3's in the RO16 next season. It's really unsatisfying to see your fav player knocked out in a Bo1.

4 hours is not a long time in the esports world, I see dota tournaments streaming 12 hours straight and then they do it again the next day.

The more brood war the better I say.
THE Sliggy
Profile Blog Joined September 2017
Australia65 Posts
September 19 2017 05:09 GMT
#262
On September 19 2017 13:49 Levque wrote:
I would definitely like to see Bo3's in the RO16 next season. It's really unsatisfying to see your fav player knocked out in a Bo1.

4 hours is not a long time in the esports world, I see dota tournaments streaming 12 hours straight and then they do it again the next day.

The more brood war the better I say.


While I 100% see the merit in outscar and FiWiFaKi's points, this is my sentiment as well.

Brood War games are QUICK, with the longest TvT games still running shorter than the average League of Legends match.

I see nothing wrong with watching 6-9 Stork games in a single night. Sounds like a damn good time.
Sliggy: Remastered
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
September 19 2017 05:35 GMT
#263
Mong lmao...
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4189 Posts
September 19 2017 05:48 GMT
#264
Yeah I wouldn't mind bo3s even though it's BW tradition for bo1s. But I pity the casters if you get 4 Ts in a group lol.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12064 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-19 06:41:33
September 19 2017 06:36 GMT
#265
Bo1 is perfectly fine. There's a reason it's tradition. It can be brutal yes, but overall it rewards the person who prepared builds for certain maps on the night and that makes it much more interesting.

I'm sad that BeSt lost, but Rain deservedly moved on. BeSt really should've been able to beat Mong. His PvT is unreal. Mong just prepared better for the night. PvP is going to be like the Bo1 was even in a Bo3, that's just how PvP is sometimes, it's a complete coinflip and you can lose in build order losses.

On September 18 2017 21:34 Barneyk wrote:
Man, so sad to see Best out already, happy to see Rain go on though, he does bring something a bit different to the game all the time.

Mong played fantastic and the macro he had against Best was insane.

A bit interesting how sSak and Mong who I rooted hard against is in the Ro16 and Last who I rooted for is not. A bit unexpected Terrans thats moving on, or am I just underrating them?


People really sleep on sSak. He really is amazing, he's done really well in a lot of the SSLs and even last ASL. Mong is pretty well rounded too, his macro as proved yesterday vs Best was really good.
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Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany914 Posts
September 19 2017 07:58 GMT
#266
I don't get the arguments for Bo3 in group stages. Do the proponents of this idea really think you would get games as good or unusual as you would have with a Bo1 format? The most likely reason to even see something like corsairs vs ghosts is that the players can focus on preparing a maximum of 3 games. Increasing the number of games just emphasizes preparation in a general way like improving your standard macro play.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1154 Posts
September 19 2017 08:08 GMT
#267
On September 19 2017 16:58 Cryoc wrote:
I don't get the arguments for Bo3 in group stages. Do the proponents of this idea really think you would get games as good or unusual as you would have with a Bo1 format? The most likely reason to even see something like corsairs vs ghosts is that the players can focus on preparing a maximum of 3 games. Increasing the number of games just emphasizes preparation in a general way like improving your standard macro play.

The argument is almost never from an "I think groups would be better and more exciting" perspective and almost always from a "my favourite player was knocked out!" reaction.

Keep bo1 groups, if it was a knock out from this stage with bo3 Vs one opponent would people complain? It would be the same 2 losses and you're out and yet I reckon people wouldn't complain about it being too few games to really show skill.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-19 08:25:16
September 19 2017 08:20 GMT
#268
On September 19 2017 15:36 Qikz wrote:
I'm sad that BeSt lost, but Rain deservedly moved on. BeSt really should've been able to beat Mong. His PvT is unreal. Mong just prepared better for the night.

Mong played fantastic and the macro he had against Best was insane.

His macro was not insane, in later game he was 20-30 supply behind Best all the time, it is Mong's positioning and goliath army control that eventually won him the game. Besides Best could not properly defend and almost died to first 3-fac push which he failed to scout and when he did it was too late because he went 3d nexus with barely any units. Moreover for some unknown reason he built his robo far outside of his base making his shuttle useless which could help him in defending the push. But yes, I guess you can say that Mong was better prepared while Best was just too greedy.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
September 19 2017 12:22 GMT
#269
Man those were some awesome games. Also, wasnt Anytime, the oz captain back in the day, called Sashin?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
September 19 2017 17:12 GMT
#270
I really gotta say that game with the Dwebs against Lockdowns really made my day. I'm glad people are using underrated strategies instead of playing standard mindlessly.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
September 20 2017 01:48 GMT
#271
oh god. Mong. I was SO happy for him. What a beast. he played like a boss and so many people were doubting him and making fun.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 20 2017 01:51 GMT
#272
On September 20 2017 10:48 Golgotha wrote:
oh god. Mong. I was SO happy for him. What a beast. he played like a boss and so many people were doubting him and making fun.

Would say that game against BeSt on Crossing Fields was great. Even though Best did a fantastic job catching up and taking the lead, Mong played it extremely well and macroed like a champ to take the game even with that large carrier count. Definitely a must watch!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
THE Sliggy
Profile Blog Joined September 2017
Australia65 Posts
September 20 2017 02:21 GMT
#273
On September 19 2017 17:08 xccam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2017 16:58 Cryoc wrote:
I don't get the arguments for Bo3 in group stages. Do the proponents of this idea really think you would get games as good or unusual as you would have with a Bo1 format? The most likely reason to even see something like corsairs vs ghosts is that the players can focus on preparing a maximum of 3 games. Increasing the number of games just emphasizes preparation in a general way like improving your standard macro play.

The argument is almost never from an "I think groups would be better and more exciting" perspective and almost always from a "my favourite player was knocked out!" reaction.

Keep bo1 groups, if it was a knock out from this stage with bo3 Vs one opponent would people complain? It would be the same 2 losses and you're out and yet I reckon people wouldn't complain about it being too few games to really show skill.


I don't have any favourites. I'm just interested in what's best for the players, rather than focusing entirely on my own desires as a spectator.
Sliggy: Remastered
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51703 Posts
September 20 2017 04:21 GMT
#274
personally a mixture of bo1 and bo3 groups similar to the systems used in some cs tournaments would be my suggestion.
(so bo1 initial and winners match, bo3 losers + final match)
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