The Afreeca Starleague [ASL] Season 4 is about to begin! This weekend is the qualifying round, held in the cities of Seoul, Daegu (a short drive outside of Seoul), and Busan. The qualifiers will run from September 2 to September 4, 2017.
Currently, four players are seeded from last season: Flash, Shine, Bisu, and Soulkey. They do not need to qualify. Everyone else will have to pass through the gauntlet for a shot at winning the single biggest 1st-place prize in Brood War history. The main season starts up on September 10th, 2017.
As the groups are posted I'll copy-paste the list of names and TLPD-ize them. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information. Some Koreans have identical names (i.e. Horang2 has the same name as an unknown amateur player, so "Horang2" showed up in two groups last season before this was corrected). This is just basic trawling through Challonge and hoping for the best.
Until the brackets are unveiled we don't know for sure who is showing, but a lot of the ex-pros and competitive players who showed up to Seoul and Daegu and did not make it through are very likely to show up here as well for one last try. To get an idea of who might show up, here's a list of notable exits from both Seoul and Daegu:
Last chance to make it into the ASL Season 4! We had some upsets in Seoul and Daegu, and there are a lot of world class players still looking to get in. This will be their final shot for this year.
Streams and restreams will be announced in the thread as they go live. Early on we'll have to rely on player streams again, but there should be an official stream starting up once everyone gets settled.
Seoul qualifiers:Link Daegu qualifiers:Link Busan qualifiers:Link
Oh man even after two previous days, this is still so stacked. I really wish more players would be able to qualify. I really miss Proleague, such a great way to see more players compete.
After that epic game from FBH last night, I really want him to go through. I will always remember his ceremony when he beat savior. Obviously any old school player like nada/july/reach etc. would be great, and I am kinda cheering for soo as it'd be really cool to see him qualify for asl while still being active in sc2. But then there is also mafia zerg who's return makes me really happy. And then there is iris, skyhigh etc. pp. And obviously it'd be great to see a couple of new faces. Aw man BW has become so stacked. Really great to see that after the amount of players was reduced to drastically in 2012 it's been continuously growing back. Yes there aren't many new faces, but there have been a ton of old players returning. Really glad to see BW rising again.
Also huge shout out to all the guys updating the LR thread each night. I have been lurking since larva drove to the seoul qualifier in his car and it has been so much fun tuning into various streams while refreshing this thread to get any updates. You guys have been doing such a fantastic job and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been lurking and silently appreciating all your work. Still kinda bumped that Slayers Boxer didn't compete after all though :/
Just to add some info based on what the Korean commentators said yesterday at their stream:
1. The official Korean stream will start at 11:00 AM KST even though games will begin before then. The Korean casters will commit to cast until the final results, however long it takes.
2. Yesterday's main (left) caster will also be casting today. The one where Korean viewers on Korean stream said he has a big head with disadvantages, but the left caster refuted that even he got married so big head is a success.
3. Yesterday's right caster presumably went home according to what he said.
4. Firebathero (Yes, the progamer who was playing in Qualifiers) will be the other caster today instead.
Unclear if FBH will also be playing for Busan Qualifier if he's also casting the games.
On September 04 2017 06:53 QuickStriker wrote: Just to add some info based on what the Korean commentators said yesterday at their stream:
1. The official Korean stream will start at 11:00 AM KST even though games will begin before then. The Korean casters will commit to cast until the final results, however long it takes.
2. Yesterday's main (left) caster will also be casting today. The one where Korean viewers on Korean stream said he has a big head with disadvantages, but the left caster refuted that even he got married so big head is a success.
3. Yesterday's right caster presumably went home according to what he said.
4. Firebathero (Yes, the progamer who was playing in Qualifiers) will be the other caster today instead.
Unclear if FBH will also be playing for Busan Qualifier if he's also casting the games.
Wait, that with the big-head commentator comments, is that all in good fun or are people really down on him? Sorry I can't really tell.
Are you talking about the caster to our left or to their left? From yesterday, one was the guy who sits in the middle at ASL and the other always takes part in the interviews. I would guess that the latter one is the one with the "big" head, though I always just loved his troll face smile, he was casting the first day too. I really hope FBH will still try to qualify.
I'm talking about the left caster from our view, so our left. The one who claimed yesterday where he doesn't like to take breaks despite the staff's willingness and likes to bring the winning players for interviews.
As for the Korean viewership comments, it is all in good fun but that was one of few things I remember when I was translating and casting live last night. The casters yesterday were very interactive with the 20k viewers from the official stream.
On September 04 2017 07:32 QuickStriker wrote: I'm talking about the left caster from our view, so our left. The one who claimed yesterday where he doesn't like to take breaks despite the staff's willingness and likes to bring the winning players for interviews.
As for the Korean viewership comments, it is all in good fun but that was one of few things I remember when I was translating and casting live last night. The casters yesterday were very interactive with the 20k viewers from the official stream.
Haha yeah it's reminiscent of fans pointing out Boxer's big head back in the day in good fun.
Man, there are no streams at all. Nothing to indicate that the event has even opened. I guess we're stuck waiting for updates at this point, until someone starts casting from the event.
I'm currently eating dinner (I don't think anyone want to see me eat).
The official Korean stream starts at 11 AM which is 2 hours from now. Like yesterday, I may restream off progamer streams to live translate and commentate before transitioning to the official stream. But dinner first!~
On September 04 2017 09:07 QuickStriker wrote: I'm currently eating dinner (I don't think anyone want to see me eat).
The official Korean stream starts at 11 AM which is 2 hours from now. Like yesterday, I may restream off progamer streams to live translate and commentate before transitioning to the official stream. But dinner first!~
EsportsJohn and I will have our usual stream which will go live once the official stream starts. Twitch.tv/esportsjohn to catch us there. We got up to almost 500 viewers last night so that was hyped af. Also fun 2v2s in between for the viewers to come play with us in the downtime to have some fun!
As the groups are posted I'll copy-paste the list of names and TLPD-ize them. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information. Some Koreans have identical names (i.e. Horang2 has the same name as an unknown amateur player, so "Horang2" showed up in two groups last season before this was corrected). This is just basic trawling through Challonge and hoping for the best.
On September 04 2017 09:19 n00beh wrote: Where is the stream? Cant find it.
There won't be one for 2 hours, unless you wanted to tune into Sea who is streaming from his phone and just wandering the event. Qualifiers aren't known for their high production values. =P
All the known players are currently matched against unknowns, so there's nothing to report. Once the players get further in the bracket I'll start updating.
As the groups are posted I'll copy-paste the list of names and TLPD-ize them. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information. Some Koreans have identical names (i.e. Horang2 has the same name as an unknown amateur player, so "Horang2" showed up in two groups last season before this was corrected). This is just basic trawling through Challonge and hoping for the best.
Group 2 looks poised to create some drama. Horang2 and Sky are the favorites and they may meet in the finals, but along the way they'll have to beat soO and Beast respectively. I don't know if I agree that soO can do this - he killed all the randoms he ran across but the second he ran into some known names he started struggling - but this could be a good group for him.
I mean i have no idea how strong he is, but if he can somehow make it it would probably be a ZvP against not the strongest toss players out there right. Though as i said, not really sure how good soO is, didn't catch his other games so far.
On September 04 2017 10:22 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean i have no idea how strong he is, but if he can somehow make it it would probably be a ZvP against not the strongest toss players out there right. Though as i said, not really sure how good soO is, didn't catch his other games so far.
he will have to go thru Horang2/Force and Sky/Jatgirl + possibly another notable player. Gonna be hard if he wants to make it
On September 04 2017 11:07 jrkirby wrote: So, Top (Kiwian) mentioned on stream that he's going to be playing ASL qualifiers today. Anyone know when this is?
As the groups are posted I'll copy-paste the list of names and TLPD-ize them. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information. Some Koreans have identical names (i.e. Horang2 has the same name as an unknown amateur player, so "Horang2" showed up in two groups last season before this was corrected). This is just basic trawling through Challonge and hoping for the best.
Agh, what a group! Guemchi, Reach, and Rush (Edit: July too, jeez), it's gonna be a carve-up. All my cheers to Scan to make it through. Also sad that we won't be seeing both Guemchi and Rush in the tournament, I like them both.
I really really wanted ASL to adopt the old OSL format with the prelims and double tournament ro24 with round robin ro16. We need to give those players as much tv time as possible
On September 04 2017 11:49 NoS-Craig wrote: Aww damn Terror is already eliminated. Also I checked the Liquidpedia and it says skyhigh is Zerg. That a typo or is he going zerg?
That's because he's supposed to be in the top slot, IntoTheEra just hiccuped and input the wrong thing. =D
On September 04 2017 11:49 NoS-Craig wrote: Aww damn Terror is already eliminated. Also I checked the Liquidpedia and it says skyhigh is Zerg. That a typo or is he going zerg?
Yes he is a Zerg now. No mistakes were made
Edit: He also just randomly switched places with Tyson.
As the groups are posted I'll copy-paste the list of names and TLPD-ize them. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information. Some Koreans have identical names (i.e. Horang2 has the same name as an unknown amateur player, so "Horang2" showed up in two groups last season before this was corrected). This is just basic trawling through Challonge and hoping for the best.
If any of the old ajae players can come back and make a big splash again for no apparent reason, it would be July. He had such a long career and stayed relevant through so many meta changes and increasing skill levels.
On September 04 2017 12:25 sM.Zik wrote: Afreeca stream is so laggy for me and I have 120 mb/s internet, is anyone else having issues? Ill try one of the re-stream
I'm going to disagree with you and root for Sky. I've been so impressed with this guy lately, his streams are fun and he's had such a good showing, constantly ALMOST winning this entire time.
Okay wow. Casters just said that there was a power flicker that reset a bunch of PCs at the PC bang. That's why Rush was pausing: his computer was hiccuping. A lot of games will have to be restarted.
As the groups are posted I'll copy-paste the list of names and TLPD-ize them. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information. Some Koreans have identical names (i.e. Horang2 has the same name as an unknown amateur player, so "Horang2" showed up in two groups last season before this was corrected). This is just basic trawling through Challonge and hoping for the best.
On September 04 2017 13:44 Arvendilin wrote: awwe fuck :/
Next time Scan!
Definitely. Going 1-2 against Mong in the group finals at Daegu is super freaking impressive. Being so close and losing is gonna sting for a while but the important thing is that he got there.
On September 04 2017 14:09 LaStScan wrote: I keep getting denied to go to the main stage by every cj players.. season 2 skyhigh, season 3 movie, season 4 snow mong rush
you've done great man. you're making it next season we believe!
As the groups are posted I'll copy-paste the list of names and TLPD-ize them. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information. Some Koreans have identical names (i.e. Horang2 has the same name as an unknown amateur player, so "Horang2" showed up in two groups last season before this was corrected). This is just basic trawling through Challonge and hoping for the best.
On September 04 2017 15:09 PVJ wrote: Group 1 and 3 saw the wrong players qualifying. Congrats to rush abd lazy, but man I wish some others managed to be in their place.
Also, zergs are annihilated. 4 from Seoul, 1 from Daegu plus 2 from ASL3. There's now only a possibility of one Z making it from grp6? Damn!
On September 04 2017 15:09 PVJ wrote: Group 1 and 3 saw the wrong players qualifying. Congrats to rush abd lazy, but man I wish some others managed to be in their place.
Also, zergs are annihilated. 4 from Seoul, 1 from Daegu plus 2 from ASL3. There's now only a possibility of one Z making it from grp6? Damn!
no such thing as the "wrong player" qualifying.
No, I'm pretty sure Rush advancing over GuemChi is wrong somehow.
Seeing lazy in the ro24 doesn't move me the same way as having Iris, Pure, or Leta in there. Even terror would've been cool for a bit better distribution stats.
I won't even go into grp3. GuemChi needs to get a wildcard.
On September 04 2017 15:40 NoS-Craig wrote: Snow is one of my favourite Protoss players as of late. Hoping he can get through can qualify.
Yep, 100% agreed. He's one of my favorite streamers right now, just from a gameplay standpoint. He grinds 1v1 games for hours straight, just practicing, and his Shuttle play is really great.
On September 04 2017 15:39 bovienchien wrote: Why did firebathero play 3 days at the Seoul, Daegu and Busan?
I think player who advanced in group final but he lose, he can play again in another place. But firebathero has never been in group final.
1) Yes, he was, he was in the grand finals in Seoul but lost against sSak. 2) Everyone should be able to sign up for as many qualifiers as they can make it to, otherwise you run into a lot of problems with "well I could sign up for Seoul, but the competition is going to be really strong, so I'm going to go to Daegu instead, except maybe some other strong players are thinking the same thing" and the mindgames begin. No, just let people play. It's an open qualifier, it works the best. Grit, tenacity, stubbornness. These are good qualities.
It's hard to imagine how good NaDa would be if he didn't just play PUBG all the time. But even like this I wouldn't rule him out of teaching these younguns some lessons.
That's why you don't attack into a massive siege line even with Recall!
Britney was in a good position, and could have waited until FBH started moving out. He was taking so many bases and could have just run away with the map.
On September 04 2017 16:26 Aylear wrote: Nice, he took a game off Movie? Meanwhile FBH 1-0 Britney.
I can't watch these games at the moment -- what kinda shape are these two in?
FireBatHero has been playing a lot. He's a very solid player right now. I was watching him stream a whole bunch a few of months ago when he was getting back in the swing of things, and even then he was (occasionally) trading evenly with some high level players. I've been rooting for him to get back into form, and this is the best I've seen him since he came back.
As for the old pros (Nada, FBH, etc.), how much has their APM/EPM deteriorated? Are they rustier than they were before, or are they as solid but struggle to keep up with the new pros (Flash, Jaedong, etc.)?
It's quite amazing seeing the old pros show good games nonetheless!
On September 04 2017 16:39 RKC wrote: As for the old pros (Nada, FBH, etc.), how much has their APM/EPM deteriorated? Are they rustier than they were before, or are they as solid but struggle to keep up with the new pros (Flash, Jaedong, etc.)?
It's quite amazing seeing the old pros show good games nonetheless!
FBH still looks fast, Nada has no multitasking now.
On September 04 2017 16:41 GTR wrote: Snow should roll over Nada.
Yes, I think this is where the ajae Cinderella story ends, but it was enjoyable.
I really, really like Snow. I've been watching his stream a whole bunch. He's damn good, and his Shuttle/Reaver control is so freaking good. He's one of my favorite players right now.
I don't really know what Hyuk was doing. He was actually ahead in supply but instead of just containing and taking his third easily he kept making mutas and lings...and then just not attacking with more than half of them at any given time.
On September 04 2017 17:01 gngfn wrote: I don't really know what Hyuk was doing. He was actually ahead in supply but instead of just containing and taking his third easily he kept making mutas and lings...and then just not attacking with more than half of them at any given time.
I think HyuK just doesn't feel good about having a prolonged game against FBH.
On September 04 2017 17:01 gngfn wrote: I don't really know what Hyuk was doing. He was actually ahead in supply but instead of just containing and taking his third easily he kept making mutas and lings...and then just not attacking with more than half of them at any given time.
I think HyuK just doesn't feel good about having a prolonged game against FBH.
looks like it. He went 12h/11p game 2 and not 12/12 or 12/13.
On September 04 2017 17:01 gngfn wrote: I don't really know what Hyuk was doing. He was actually ahead in supply but instead of just containing and taking his third easily he kept making mutas and lings...and then just not attacking with more than half of them at any given time.
I think HyuK just doesn't feel good about having a prolonged game against FBH.
looks like it. He went 12h/11p game 2 and not 12/12 or 12/13.
On September 04 2017 17:01 gngfn wrote: I don't really know what Hyuk was doing. He was actually ahead in supply but instead of just containing and taking his third easily he kept making mutas and lings...and then just not attacking with more than half of them at any given time.
I think HyuK just doesn't feel good about having a prolonged game against FBH.
looks like it. He went 12h/11p game 2 and not 12/12 or 12/13.
Good catch. Yeah, not signs of confidence.
FBH meanwhile going super safe with 2nd rax -> acad vs ling all ins.
FBH looks like he wants to play 20 minutes, Hyuk for 12.
Did Hyuk already do his mandatory military conscription?
Also, sad to see PURPOSE didn't try out and no other newcomer made it. I hope with a new SSL and OSL and ASL5 we will see some rookie's blast onto the big stage.
On September 04 2017 17:16 PVJ wrote: Did Hyuk already do his mandatory military conscription?
Also, sad to see PURPOSE didn't try out and no other newcomer made it. I hope with a new SSL and OSL and ASL5 we will see some rookie's blast onto the big stage.
I was disappointed too. I hope he's just too busy with school or something and not discouraged from ASL3.
Yeah, PURPOSE didn't even enter a qualifier this season. Hopefully that's due to IRL obligations and not due to "shit I failed on TV, I'm just not gonna bother".
On September 04 2017 17:16 PVJ wrote: Did Hyuk already do his mandatory military conscription?
Also, sad to see PURPOSE didn't try out and no other newcomer made it. I hope with a new SSL and OSL and ASL5 we will see some rookie's blast onto the big stage.
I was disappointed too. I hope he's just too busy with school or something and not discouraged from ASL3.
On September 04 2017 17:19 Aylear wrote: Yeah, PURPOSE didn't even enter a qualifier this season. Hopefully that's due to IRL obligations and not due to "shit I failed on TV, I'm just not gonna bother".
I caught his name on the remastered ladder one or two weeks ago on Stork's stream. While that doesn't mean anything I hope it means he just had some IRL thing that prevented him.
Summary of Snow interview: "I thought I was gonna die. It was a tough road, losing in Seoul and Daegu." "I had some luck in winning this bracket." "My goal is to make top 8 and become more well known, hopefully growing my stream."
Summary of Firebathero interview: "I thought I was gonna die. It was a tough road, losing in Seoul and Daegu." "I had some luck in winning this bracket." "My goal is to make top 8 and become more well known, hopefully growing my stream."
On September 04 2017 17:27 bovienchien wrote: Summary of Firebathero interview: "I thought I was gonna die. It was a tough road, losing in Seoul and Daegu." "I had some luck in winning this bracket." "My goal is to make top 8 and become more well known, hopefully growing my stream."
I highly doubt FBH would give such a generic interview. Maybe Bogus if he ever plays in the ASL for fun.
On September 04 2017 17:25 Aylear wrote: Summary of Snow interview: "I thought I was gonna die. It was a tough road, losing in Seoul and Daegu." "I had some luck in winning this bracket." "My goal is to make top 8 and become more well known, hopefully growing my stream."
Poor Snow. I'm glad he made it. I'll continue to UP his stream whenever I catch him.
I'm done. Done updating the thread and keeping KoreanUsher up to date on what's happening elsewhere in the bracket.
It's 10:43 AM, the OP has been updated, results tallied, and I am going the hell to bed.
Have a wonderful night everyone, and thanks for hanging out. Thanks to everyone posting results in the thread making it easier for me to update stuff. <3
On September 04 2017 17:41 bovienchien wrote: I think, In group 24 it will remove Tau cross map. It's imbalance. It's so good for Terran, they can take the second gas of their opponent.
On September 04 2017 17:43 Aylear wrote: And that's all she wrote.
I'm done. Done updating the thread and keeping KoreanUsher up to date on what's happening elsewhere in the bracket.
It's 10:43 AM, the OP has been updated, results tallied, and I am going the hell to bed.
Have a wonderful night everyone, and thanks for hanging out. Thanks to everyone posting results in the thread making it easier for me to update stuff. <3
On September 04 2017 17:43 Aylear wrote: And that's all she wrote.
I'm done. Done updating the thread and keeping KoreanUsher up to date on what's happening elsewhere in the bracket.
It's 10:43 AM, the OP has been updated, results tallied, and I am going the hell to bed.
Have a wonderful night everyone, and thanks for hanging out. Thanks to everyone posting results in the thread making it easier for me to update stuff. <3
Wonderful threads, thanks a ton for your grit and dedication.
Ayelar the MVP, thank you man! The final racial distribution looks fine. Where's Zero btw? If he qualified over one of the terrans it would've been even better.
On September 04 2017 18:07 juvenal wrote: Ayelar the MVP, thank you man! The final racial distribution looks fine. Where's Zero btw? If he qualified over one of the terrans it would've been even better.
Zero's in the army for another year and a half. He went just before ASL3.
On September 04 2017 18:06 Ancestral wrote: Zerg does seem to be struggling in this era. Hopefully the ones who qualified make it deep.
Yeah I hope so as well. We have precedence that allows us to be optimistic. ASL3 also didn't feature many Zs yet half of the semi-finalists were zergs.
Well, after years of nothing for protoss I can't say I'm not happy about the changes but more variety is better.
Also, I'm not going to upload all of the qualifiers games to YouTube just because a lot of it was informal and haphazard, but I'll try to take a look at the games over the week and see if there are a few worth posting. FlashFTW and I will be out IN FORCE next week when ASL proper starts too :D.
EDIT: AND A HUGE THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO TUNED IN! YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME, I HAD A TON OF FUN CASTING :D:D:D:D:D
Also, I'm not going to upload all of the qualifiers games to YouTube just because a lot of it was informal and haphazard, but I'll try to take a look at the games over the week and see if there are a few worth posting. FlashFTW and I will be out IN FORCE next week when ASL proper starts too :D.
EDIT: AND A HUGE THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO TUNED IN! YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME, I HAD A TON OF FUN CASTING :D:D:D:D:D
Really enjoyed your Passion Cast! Keep it up!
Just one minor gripe - could you speak up or get a better mic? The sound is really soft on my iPad, even with the volume maxed out. Thanks!
Also, I'm not going to upload all of the qualifiers games to YouTube just because a lot of it was informal and haphazard, but I'll try to take a look at the games over the week and see if there are a few worth posting. FlashFTW and I will be out IN FORCE next week when ASL proper starts too :D.
EDIT: AND A HUGE THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO TUNED IN! YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME, I HAD A TON OF FUN CASTING :D:D:D:D:D
Really enjoyed your Passion Cast! Keep it up!
Just one minor gripe - could you speak up or get a better mic? The sound is really soft on my iPad, even with the volume maxed out. Thanks!
I will see what I can do. From my sound testing, the levels are usually pretty good, but I also have really really loud headphones. I'll see if I can boost the sound without topping out.
FBH n Hiya! I couldn't be happier after what Sky did... Is GosI[Flying] still playing BW? I do believe I saw Spear at Sea's stream just before the official stream started.
On September 04 2017 18:37 Qikz wrote: I'm sad that Scan didn't make it in (not sure if he was even at Busan, I was in bed), but gogo Firebathero! :D
Yeah, I also thought so, he tried though. I am just happy to see so many old players participate, XellOs of all men! Sad for Leta and Horang2. Don't know but I am also sad for Movie.
On September 04 2017 18:07 juvenal wrote: Ayelar the MVP, thank you man! The final racial distribution looks fine. Where's Zero btw? If he qualified over one of the terrans it would've been even better.
I listened to my own VOD and realized I talked pretty badly at many times. I need to undergo some intense speech improvement session: disabling those ums/uhs, eliminate bad accents, and be more clear with my speech.
On September 05 2017 11:34 QuickStriker wrote: I listened to my own VOD and realized I talked pretty badly at many times. I need to undergo some intense speech improvement session: disabling those ums/uhs, eliminate bad accents, and be more clear with my speech.
Same. That's something I'm consciously starting to notice in my own casting, and something I fail at very very often. BTW, huge thumbs up for the cast over there ^^.
On September 05 2017 11:34 QuickStriker wrote: I listened to my own VOD and realized I talked pretty badly at many times. I need to undergo some intense speech improvement session: disabling those ums/uhs, eliminate bad accents, and be more clear with my speech.
I'd like to see you continue! You have a great quality that no other casters seem to have. You can translate on the spot and you have seem to have decent knowledge on progamer backgrounds as well as good enough game knowledge. I'm sure other English casters would be happy to duocast with you if that's in your interest.
Too bad Action didn't make it. I still remember his godlike late-game he managed to display back during ProLeague. But FBH is in the ASL! That's good too!
Boy oh boy is Fighting Spirit a good and balanced map! I'm sure everyone's totally fine with Zerg having a 20% qualifying rate, despite literally what the fuck kind of a race is Protoss. But hey Tau Cross! Why don't we fucking add Katrina to the map pool while we're at it.
On September 05 2017 13:21 r33k wrote: Boy oh boy is Fighting Spirit a good and balanced map! I'm sure everyone's totally fine with Zerg having a 20% qualifying rate, despite literally what the fuck kind of a race is Protoss. But hey Tau Cross! Why don't we fucking add Katrina to the map pool while we're at it.
User was warned for this post
only ecxept Fighting Spirit has a positive winrate for in ZvP, zergs favor in TLPD Korea as well as SOSPA Fighting Spirit
Soo, perhaps you should know your stuff before you come here to whine around?
Btw, the later Katrina SE version of the map was actually okay on balance in korean pro games too.
On September 05 2017 13:21 r33k wrote: Boy oh boy is Fighting Spirit a good and balanced map! I'm sure everyone's totally fine with Zerg having a 20% qualifying rate, despite literally what the fuck kind of a race is Protoss. But hey Tau Cross! Why don't we fucking add Katrina to the map pool while we're at it.
User was warned for this post
only ecxept Fighting Spirit has a positive winrate for in ZvP, zergs favor in TLPD Korea as well as SOSPA Fighting Spirit
Soo, perhaps you should know your stuff before you come here to whine around?
Btw, the later Katrina SE version of the map was actually okay on balance in korean pro games too.
Protoss is favoured against the zerg race on Fighting Spirit assuming that the two players have an equal ELO rating (expected win rate of 52.7%) over a sample size of 1,860 sponsored AfreecaTV games over the last couple of months.
Fighting Spirit is a bad map for the zerg race in general in the current meta-game. That is a fact. The magnitude of the imbalance towards the zerg race can be argued, but you cannot simply look into the win rates to argue otherwise, because nobody thinks perfect balance is the hypothetical situation of somebody terrible such as Britney having a 50% record versus EffOrt on Fighting Spirit.
On September 05 2017 13:21 r33k wrote: Boy oh boy is Fighting Spirit a good and balanced map! I'm sure everyone's totally fine with Zerg having a 20% qualifying rate, despite literally what the fuck kind of a race is Protoss. But hey Tau Cross! Why don't we fucking add Katrina to the map pool while we're at it.
User was warned for this post
only ecxept Fighting Spirit has a positive winrate for in ZvP, zergs favor in TLPD Korea as well as SOSPA Fighting Spirit
Soo, perhaps you should know your stuff before you come here to whine around?
Btw, the later Katrina SE version of the map was actually okay on balance in korean pro games too.
Protoss is favoured against the zerg race on Fighting Spirit assuming that the two players have an equal ELO rating (expected win rate of 52.7%) over a sample size of 1,860 sponsored AfreecaTV games over the last couple of months.
Fighting Spirit is a bad map for the zerg race in general in the current meta-game. That is a fact. The magnitude of the imbalance towards the zerg race can be argued, but you cannot simply look into the win rates to argue otherwise, because nobody thinks perfect balance is the hypothetical situation of somebody terrible such as Britney having a 50% record versus EffOrt on Fighting Spirit.
How you don't have a star next to your name is perplexing! Quality posts every time.
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wdQq9GF.png)
Flash, 
Shine, 
Bisu, and ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Sntcx2V.png)
Afreeca Starleague Season 4/Qualifier![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png)
Dragon
Great effort
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