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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
That was kind of a dark era for PvZ, true, but... protoss players really didn't get PvZ at that time either. Still loved the shit out of Reach's PvZ when it worked, just hit that timing, rally all your gates and micro/macro your heart out. But, they were not considered good PvZ players (not that anyone else aside from Nal_rA and maybe Kingdom were considered good PvZ:ers either). | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On April 25 2017 00:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The only one on that list who was consistently good at PvZ was Nal_rA and maybe Kingdom? That was kind of a dark era for PvZ, true, but... protoss players really didn't get PvZ at that time either. Still loved the shit out of Reach's PvZ when it worked, just hit that timing, rally all your gates and micro/macro your heart out. But, they were not considered good PvZ players (not that anyone else aside from Nal_rA and maybe Kingdom were considered good PvZ:ers either). Anytime was really good too. The problem with those stats is that they compare players who peaked and declined but kept playing for years to players who avoided that fate because the professional scene was brutally terminated or simply because they quit. If you go through the end of '08, Anytime won 56% of his PvZs; from that point on he won 38%. Obviously you can do this exercise with many players to cherry-pick a slice of games where they look good, but overall I think it's more representative to look at a player in his prime than to reduce his career to a percentage. Peak ELO is probably the best way to do this, and Anytime comes in 7th for PvZ. (The only old-timer ahead of him is indeed rA, who I would agree was pretty much the best until Bisu.) e: I just noticed that c3rberUs was cutting the stats off before the whole Bisu thing, which pretty much invalidates my entire point. Oh well. (I wish there were a "historical ELO" feature in TLPD...) | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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usopsama
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
I honestly just dislike him as a player. Even more now than before. He is out for a reason. He looked bad imo.. | ||
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
Protoss requires soo much technical micro in this matchup that it gets crazy really fast during the macro game. Something tells me that by the end of this tourney we may begin seeing the foundation of new strats from the likes of Bisu and company. We already know terran are in good shape, but given that soo many toss made it to the Ro24, and only 4 made it out so far... Thats saying alot yo. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Stork has great PvT and decent PvP in general but sucks in PvZ. It's also the main reason he made Ro8 last time. Hopefully he starts to play seriously and advance further next time! | ||
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Miragee
8671 Posts
On April 26 2017 03:20 BigFan wrote: yep, Stork looked bad in these games. He had great defense against GuemChi's attack on CB after he lost his nexus but the macro advantage was too big. That dark templar against Pusan killed so many units too. I figured that he'll at least do well against Pusan so the loss there was surprising. Stork has great PvT and decent PvP in general but sucks in PvZ. It's also the main reason he made Ro8 last time. Hopefully he starts to play seriously and advance further next time! He didn't suck back in the day though. | ||
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