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aedeph
104 Posts
On April 23 2017 22:05 B-royal wrote: Rofl. They are not. You are clueless if you think free, rain, and shuttle come even close to the likes of Hero, Effort (and Soulkey). Yes, you are right, I'm fool. Soulkey is so much better than Rain, that I should perform seppuku. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Notable modern players from debut up to just before the league-that-must-not-be-named 1) Bisu = 129 wins - 52 losses (71.27%) (jeezus o.o) 2) Movie = 48 wins - 35 losses (57.83%) 3) Kal = 89 wins - 73 losses (54.94%) 4) Free = 84 wins - 70 losses (54.55%) 5) Stork = 116 wins - 98 losses (54.21%) 6) JangBi = 70 wins - 64 losses (52.24%) 7) Shuttle = 20 wins - 20 losses (50.00%) 8) BeSt = 59 wins - 68 losses (46.46%) | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
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Miragee
8639 Posts
On April 24 2017 04:01 Phyanketto wrote: With all this PvZ talk, I'm just Hyped Jangbi is coming back. If you can say anything about Jangbi's PvZ it's that it's overhyped. | ||
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
On April 24 2017 04:04 Miragee wrote: If you can say anything about Jangbi's PvZ it's that it's overhyped. What makes you say that? I remember him being very got at making the exact right unit composition to crush lurker contains and recovering from hydra busts really well. | ||
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Miragee
8639 Posts
On April 24 2017 04:24 Phyanketto wrote: What makes you say that? I remember him being very got at making the exact right unit composition to crush lurker contains and recovering from hydra busts really well. He rarely played vs zerg in both of his OSL wins. The first he had a Bo5 against Soo... In the second he basically lucked himself past Zero. Overall he barely had a 50 % winrate in PvZ during his hey-days (the last couple of KesPA years). | ||
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
On April 24 2017 04:29 Miragee wrote: He rarely played vs zerg in both of his OSL wins. The first he had a Bo5 against Soo... In the second he basically lucked himself past Zero. Overall he barely had a 50 % winrate in PvZ during his hey-days (the last couple of KesPA years). How did he luck himself past zero? Go and watch that set and tell me he doesn't have ee han timing. | ||
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Miragee
8639 Posts
On April 24 2017 04:55 Phyanketto wrote: How did he luck himself past zero? Go and watch that set and tell me he doesn't have ee han timing. ee han timing, lol. You might as well call it a last ditch attempt after being completely screwed. Or short: lucky. | ||
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:05 Miragee wrote: ee han timing, lol. You might as well call it a last ditch attempt after being completely screwed. Or short: lucky. I forgot how perfect storms and good zealot archon micro is luck | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
 GuemChi to pull out the advance. Looks like the start time for group F got shifted up to 5pm, rather than 7pm KST. Updated it in Calendar and LP ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3GbSdOx.png) | ||
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xccam
Great Britain1150 Posts
On April 24 2017 05:05 Miragee wrote: ee han timing, lol. You might as well call it a last ditch attempt after being completely screwed. Or short: lucky. So, maybe that game wasn't a convincing win, but games 1 and 5 were dominating by Jangbi. | ||
TheEmulator
28098 Posts
On April 23 2017 22:42 c3rberUs wrote: Uhh, Free really did have one of the best PvZ. In fact he was the holder of the 4th best PvZ winrate Notable modern players from debut up to just before the league-that-must-not-be-named 1) Bisu = 129 wins - 52 losses (71.27%) (jeezus o.o) 2) Movie = 48 wins - 35 losses (57.83%) 3) Kal = 89 wins - 73 losses (54.94%) 4) Free = 84 wins - 70 losses (54.55%) 5) Stork = 116 wins - 98 losses (54.21%) 6) JangBi = 70 wins - 64 losses (52.24%) 7) Shuttle = 20 wins - 20 losses (50.00%) 8) BeSt = 59 wins - 68 losses (46.46%) Poor Best, only negative winrate on the list  | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
Goes to show that people remember endings as much as full stories  . It helps that when Jangbi was on, his play looked spectacular at times. Like a super athletic player in the NBA who isn't very consistent, but when he has good games he tends to make a few plays no one else can. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden310 Posts
It is kinda fun but so weird and unbalanced. Stork just looked bad. I don't know how much of it was bad luck and build order losses but man, as a Stork fan, that was not fun to watch. Cool to see Pusan do reasonably well though. ggeamo did well and guemchi is solid. But meh. | ||
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
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Ubersturmfuhrer
Finland206 Posts
On April 24 2017 15:31 Loccstana wrote: who still remembers this: Everytime I see ggaemo I think of that face lol Stork was disappointingly bad in these games. I don't know if he was just overconfident in his late-game skills or what but seemed to me that he played way too passively and let opponent cut corners to economically overcome him. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10315 Posts
On April 23 2017 21:32 aedeph wrote: Let's be real here, the only good PvZer is Bisu, who lost two latest finals to Effort and Hero, respectively. And free, Rain, Shuttle are top 5 protosses (or around), just like Hero, Soulkey and EffOrt. Yes but just because youre a "top 5 protoss" doesnt mean your matchup against zerg is that much better. Plus the protoss race right now doesnt have many good players and their PvZs all suck. Like great, you can be a damn good PvP and PvT, and as long as your dodge your shitty PvZ matchup you'll be in the top 5. Being top 5 might not be entirely exclusive from a bad PvZ, but it doesnt mean you'll have a good PvZ. as mentioned in the stat drop above by cerb, 54% is nothing to be proud of compared to the top 5 zergs who all have well over 60% ZvP. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
People who want some comparison with older toss legends pre-337 here: Do note that these guys played in an obviously tougher PvZ age. The Three Kings + ZeuS all started playing in an era where zergs swarmed from the qualifiers up from what I've read; they needed to be great PvZers almost by necessity. Nal_rA = 56 wins - 47 losses (54.37%) PuSan = 30 wins - 31 losses (49.18%) Kingdom = 41 wins - 44 losses (48.24%) Reach = 73 wins - 82 losses (47.10%) Anytime = 23 wins - 25 losses (47.92%) ZeuS = 46 wins - 56 losses (45.10%) Garimto and IntoTheRain are too old school for stats. ^_^ edit - nvm, got curious lol Rage = 26 wins - 22 losses (54.17%) DaeZang = 12 wins - 12 losses (50.00%) RainbOw = 43 wins - 45 losses (48.86%) edit 2 - raw stats alone won't tell the full story. | ||
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