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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
On April 22 2017 06:42 Jealous wrote: It's not anyone's place to tell an organizer that they "have to pick" whether their tournaments are in support of the foreign community or will enforce a xenophobic divide between the communities. I feel like this is in response to me. Maybe it came out the wrong way but I'm not forcing Filthyrake or Schamtoo to do anything. In fact, I am without a doubt one of those naive relentless foreigners. I think this should be obvious considering my journey from D- on iccup to E rank fish in less than 2 years time. I consider the opportunity to play scan a gift. My post was just sharing a hard truth and what I would do in this specific situation. | ||
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Jealous
10403 Posts
On April 22 2017 07:51 B-royal wrote: I feel like this is in response to me. Maybe it came out the wrong way but I'm not forcing Filthyrake or Schamtoo to do anything. In fact, I am without a doubt one of those naive relentless foreigners. I think this should be obvious considering my journey from D- on iccup to E rank fish in less than 2 years time. I consider the opportunity to play scan a gift. My post was just sharing a hard truth and what I would do in this specific situation. I wasn't referring to your post in particular above anyone else who said the same thing in a different way, which multiple people did. The hard truth imo is that they don't have to abide by what some people personally consider to be "supporting the foreign scene." "Supporting the foreign scene" in the organizers' mind (I don't mean to put words in people's mouths but I don't find my interpretation to be unreasonable) is putting up money and hosting a well-run English-cast tournament that is open to all who have access to it, namely people who frequent this site, the hub of foreign StarCraft. I, for one, agree with them. Is it supporting it less than sponsoring all the players who have no Korean heritage, background, etc. with monthly salaries, benefits, and incentives ? Of course. Is it supporting it more than not doing anything? Absolutely. These tournaments fall somewhere in between, and thus cannot be argued to not be supporting foreign interest and participation in BW, simple as that. Just because they don't do it in a way that some people find optimal is not a reason to boycott the tournaments and people who are without a doubt beneficial to the scene as contributors. | ||
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KenZy
France93 Posts
First, I hope you won't stop those tournaments, because they are awesome and i am really thankfull for what you did. But to me it seems that you received a lot of advices but you don't want to listen to them. I don't know what was your goal, promote foreign scene ? having the best games of bw to show ? If your goal is to promote foreign scene, you need to understand that from the beginning koreans and foreigners have not the same chance of success in bw. Once you are part of the top foreigners, it's really hard to improve because you can't ask for advices, you can't play lot of games with practice partners (or always same people). There are no "pros" just some foreigners that are better than others, we don't make money by playing this game, but we invest A LOT OF TIME (because we love this game). Playing in a tournaments means playing all your saturday night while you could be with your friends or having some good time with your family. So playing a tournaments where you already know who's gonna win and we didn't had the same chance because he is korean and me a foreigner, is not that fun. I had rather go out with friends or play fish no ? To be part of the top foreigners already means we skipped a lot of time with friends and family but remember we didn't earn anything from that except fun and more love for the game  .If your goal is to show the best games of bw, then you should ask scan to help you promote this tournaments to korean community. And i am sure you will have ton of koreans playing in it and it's gonna be awesome for us to watch some high skilled koreans who can't play in ASL but for once have the chance to make money and show their skills. I think the "problem" came from your lack of communication. We don't know what you want to do with those tournaments. But we (top foreigners) assumed, that it was to promote foreign community (because it's late for koreans to play in it) so if it's the case i think koreans should not be allowed. To me it's like in boxe, there are some weight class and they can't compete each other, it's the same in BW. When top foreigners wants to improve they go fish but when we play in a tournament to promote foreign community we want to know at the end of the tournaments who is the best foreigner for this week not who played scan or sonstar in last. And there would be an emulation to be the best foreigner for the week, but at the moment it's not the case. I hope my "broken english" was not to bad for you to understand my point of view. As i said i'm really thankfull for what you did and what you are doing for our great community, i hope you won't stop, even if it's not to promote foreign scene, and i would be glad to watch some high korean level. Just inform us better what's your goal with those tournaments. | ||
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FilthyRake
United States473 Posts
You guys all assumed way too much about my motives here. I'm just a guy who loves starcraft, and has some experience running events for SC, and thought this would be fun. | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
I would like them better if they were foreign only, but I realize that the organizers are not catering to me personally lol. I hope you guys continue to support BW in any way you think is best | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7195 Posts
i think i can try to get CJ Movie for this,his english is decent so maybe he can try. | ||
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Jealous
10403 Posts
On April 22 2017 17:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: thanks for the explanation.Now everything is clear and we didnt need that useless discussion.thanks you both for supporting the bw scene ! and big thanks to the foreigners for providing great games.so far there are only 2 koreans cuz is 4am but i will love to see beast shinee and others taking part,this will bring lot of interest for viewers. i think i can try to get CJ Movie for this,his english is decent so maybe he can try. That would be very cool  I would love to play with Movie! | ||
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D_lux
Hungary65 Posts
Though I'm really a nobody in the bw community, I am really happy that you guys organise these tournaments and hope you will continue to do so, because I had lots of fun watching it. You might feel that the people are ungrateful and all, probably they should've worded their concerns a little bit nicer. So what I am trying to say is that don't let these negative feelings stop you from organisin these tournaments. I have an idea that would make it more difficult to organise the tournaments but maybe the foreign scene will like it and you wouldn't have to exclude koreans. I thought that maybe it would be possible to have an event where the foreigners would duke it out amongst themselves and the best two foreigners would "advance" or would have the chance to compete in the second phase of the tournament which would include the koreans. This way there would be a foreigner only tournament which most foreigners would want, and the best foreigners could try and take down koreans as a bonus. This is just my idea and I know it would take a lot more effort to organise it this way, so it might not worth the effort, but maybe this would meet everybodys expectations and the negative feelings would go away and everybody would be happy again and have fun playing the game once again. And again don't take this as whining or demanding I don't want to sound ungrateful or anything, I really like that you are organising tournaments. Edit: yeee i should've watched the video before writing this, anyway maybe someone will make a tournament like this :D | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On April 22 2017 13:55 SchAmToo wrote: My thoughts about this topic (mostly about Have At You). Relevant here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLHvXd_Z_iU&feature=youtu.be olive branch in iron cladding, hrhr. Well said sir, i like your explanation. | ||
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bajabongo
Poland10 Posts
They know they cant win so maybe making profitbale playing for 3rd-4th place would increase tour attention? something like: 1st: 50$, 2nd: 25$, 3rd: 15$, 4th:10$ | ||
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LRM)INF3cted
Bulgaria242 Posts
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ortseam
996 Posts
On April 22 2017 13:55 SchAmToo wrote: My thoughts about this topic (mostly about Have At You). Relevant here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLHvXd_Z_iU&feature=youtu.be Thanks for tournaments to you and FilthyRake, very enjoying to watch and helpful for the scene. I like your mentality your showing in this video, keep it up! | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1777 Posts
On April 22 2017 17:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: thanks for the explanation.Now everything is clear and we didnt need that useless discussion.thanks you both for supporting the bw scene ! and big thanks to the foreigners for providing great games.so far there are only 2 koreans cuz is 4am but i will love to see beast shinee and others taking part,this will bring lot of interest for viewers. i think i can try to get CJ Movie for this,his english is decent so maybe he can try. Ok get them ill beat them all | ||
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Randos
Germany48 Posts
...and maybe having Scan and Sonstar play each other in the first round would be a compromise? | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19395 Posts
@anyone upset with the top foreigners standpoint, just understand they are coming from a good and reasonable place. Just because you guys differ on who should participate does not mean you need to get harsh towards each other. I recommend everyone on either side take a second to breathe. @Sponsors, yes we (I) am grateful for this tournament, but I too make the appeal that foreign only would be a better way to connect with your international audience. But ultimately, you are the ones who are offering money and have every right to spend it how you would like. | ||
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radley
Poland582 Posts
I do not instigate anyone else doing so, but I personally am not going to tune in for the next tournaments streams after seeing that video. Nevertheless, good luck to you in next shows and have fun to everyone. Peace. | ||
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Esp1noza
Russian Federation481 Posts
To all: please respect organizers position, it would be awfull if they decide to cancel the series due to all the negativity. I hope not, because alot of people enjoying it. | ||
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