On January 17 2017 21:10 FlaShFTW wrote: Tastosis saying FlaSh barely eeked out that win, but he smashed JD. cmon tastosis i know you want to hype it up but dude, it wasn't even close.
The problem is that you watched Tastosis casting brood war.
Huh? I was casting on afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2 xD I only tuned in for the translations for the interview at the end. I wouldn't ever watch those two.
Wait how was it an one sided series? I felt if flash made 1 or 2 more mistakes Jaedong could have easily one an extra game.
It wasn't really one-sided unless you're a big Flash fanboy =P, but it was basically five games of "JD throws different shit at Flash". This is how you should play ZvT if you think the Terran is stronger in a standard game.
On January 17 2017 21:10 FlaShFTW wrote: Tastosis saying FlaSh barely eeked out that win, but he smashed JD. cmon tastosis i know you want to hype it up but dude, it wasn't even close.
The problem is that you watched Tastosis casting brood war.
Huh? I was casting on afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2 xD I only tuned in for the translations for the interview at the end. I wouldn't ever watch those two.
Honestly their casting was on spot and people talking like Flash rolled JD are trying to be silly.
Flash barely won, he even got crushed in game 1 and game 5 wasn't as one sided as it looked.
Overall this was epic and not one sided at all. There was sick play from both of them, but Flash was just a little bit more solid than JD.
Game 1 was a BO sneak from JD that caught FlaSh off guard. Yes he got crushed. Game 2 was a failed lurker attack with a strong counter from FlaSh, one-sided. Game 3 was competitive right up til FlaSh finally took out the 3rd and it wasn't even close after that. Game 4 was a mis-read from FlaSh. Game 5 was extremely onesided. I could have taken the controls after the 3rd base went down and won that game.
TvT zZzZzZ... 3-0 Flash vs. Sea. We can already put FlaSh on liquipedia as winner.
Flash dropped a game against Guemchi. I think it's safe to say that this next series won't be a steamroll. Sea is not as good as Flash but he's not a joke either.
No, game 5 wasn't extremely one-sided. It was like 3-5 seconds until lurker upgrade finish and he could morf lurkers into entrance to 3rd, then it started to be one-sided because once zerg's 3rd is being canceled so fast, it's almost impossible to win.
I dunno about the meta now, but I recall enjoying TvT a lot because I think its the most strategy based among all 9 matchups. The map's a battlefield, and the commander's overall positioning/movement of his troops and decisions makes or breaks the battle
On January 17 2017 21:10 FlaShFTW wrote: Tastosis saying FlaSh barely eeked out that win, but he smashed JD. cmon tastosis i know you want to hype it up but dude, it wasn't even close.
Considering that we would have had a game if lurker aspect finished a few seconds earlier I think this statement is pretty accurate to be honest.
FlaSh still kills at least one egg to run into the base of JD. no way that a good ling surround can happen with marines in that position, and FlaSh's anti-muta micro was on point would have cleaned them up too. There's a reason +1 5rax is the best build against 3 hatch muta for this exact reason for the timing and the amount of marines you have out
I know all that, Jaedong had a third hydra at his third though. Also consider that JD canceled his hydra den. That was a greedy/unlucky decision and got punished.
dont know for sure if it was hydra den. might have been queens nest.
Yes, that's true. I just checked the VOD and you can't see what he was building. However, he placed his hydra den 30 seconds after that action. 30 fucking seconds.
On January 17 2017 21:10 FlaShFTW wrote: Tastosis saying FlaSh barely eeked out that win, but he smashed JD. cmon tastosis i know you want to hype it up but dude, it wasn't even close.
Considering that we would have had a game if lurker aspect finished a few seconds earlier I think this statement is pretty accurate to be honest.
FlaSh still kills at least one egg to run into the base of JD. no way that a good ling surround can happen with marines in that position, and FlaSh's anti-muta micro was on point would have cleaned them up too. There's a reason +1 5rax is the best build against 3 hatch muta for this exact reason for the timing and the amount of marines you have out
I know all that, Jaedong had a third hydra at his third though. Also consider that JD canceled his hydra den. That was a greedy/unlucky decision and got punished.
dont know for sure if it was hydra den. might have been queens nest.
Yes, that's true. I just checked the VOD and you can't see what he was building. However, he placed his hydra den 30 seconds after that action. 30 fucking seconds.
I think it's easy to say this but as you know, the last game was intense. It's understandable that JD placed it a bit later. Having said that, my heart broke when I realized that the hydras weren't morphing. Kept hoping that maybe JD was just holding on until flash gets to the choke to morph them but alas
Biggest mistake was him leaving Flash's main instead of doing so much damage due to lack of turrets. That and delaying lurkers by even a bit. I'm sure he's beating himself up over it and so am I!
felt like every game was "How long till Jaedong's 3rd base gets murked" or "What cheese does Jaedong do for this not to happen and win" JD has no chance in med to long game, I don't think he'll ever get to that level again.
On January 17 2017 21:31 ionONE wrote: So muta builds dont work anymore (vs flash) , or was jd micro just bad?
My understanding is that 5 rax +1 is the common build that flash goes for these days and that build coupled with his mnm micro makes it extremely difficult to overcome him. Watch his stream, he's pretty insane when it comes to mnm control and macro.
On January 17 2017 21:23 juvenal wrote: I encourage all SC2 fans ITT to go watch this JvF from 2010 WCG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDj0DkFYAEA Same level of in-game drama but both players at the peaks of their mastery.
On January 17 2017 21:31 ionONE wrote: So muta builds dont work anymore (vs flash) , or was jd micro just bad?
It's just that you need to do NO mistake while doing muta micro. This MU became extremely volatile against zerg. IMO lurkers makes it safer, but may give terran too much map control to do whatever.
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