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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
January 17 2017 12:22 GMT
#1221
On January 17 2017 21:20 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 21:16 FlaShFTW wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:14 usopsama wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:10 FlaShFTW wrote:
Tastosis saying FlaSh barely eeked out that win, but he smashed JD. cmon tastosis i know you want to hype it up but dude, it wasn't even close.

The problem is that you watched Tastosis casting brood war.

Huh? I was casting on afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2 xD I only tuned in for the translations for the interview at the end. I wouldn't ever watch those two.

Wait how was it an one sided series? I felt if flash made 1 or 2 more mistakes Jaedong could have easily one an extra game.


It wasn't really one-sided unless you're a big Flash fanboy =P, but it was basically five games of "JD throws different shit at Flash". This is how you should play ZvT if you think the Terran is stronger in a standard game.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
January 17 2017 12:22 GMT
#1222
JD [image loading]

TvT zZzZzZ... 3-0 Flash vs. Sea. We can already put FlaSh on liquipedia as winner.
sunbeams are never made like me...
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
January 17 2017 12:23 GMT
#1223
I encourage all SC2 fans ITT to go watch this JvF from 2010 WCG:

Same level of in-game drama but both players at the peaks of their mastery.
Michael Probu
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10334 Posts
January 17 2017 12:23 GMT
#1224
On January 17 2017 21:21 Kaewins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 21:16 FlaShFTW wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:14 usopsama wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:10 FlaShFTW wrote:
Tastosis saying FlaSh barely eeked out that win, but he smashed JD. cmon tastosis i know you want to hype it up but dude, it wasn't even close.

The problem is that you watched Tastosis casting brood war.

Huh? I was casting on afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2 xD I only tuned in for the translations for the interview at the end. I wouldn't ever watch those two.


Honestly their casting was on spot and people talking like Flash rolled JD are trying to be silly.

Flash barely won, he even got crushed in game 1 and game 5 wasn't as one sided as it looked.

Overall this was epic and not one sided at all. There was sick play from both of them, but Flash was just a little bit more solid than JD.

Game 1 was a BO sneak from JD that caught FlaSh off guard. Yes he got crushed. Game 2 was a failed lurker attack with a strong counter from FlaSh, one-sided. Game 3 was competitive right up til FlaSh finally took out the 3rd and it wasn't even close after that. Game 4 was a mis-read from FlaSh. Game 5 was extremely onesided. I could have taken the controls after the 3rd base went down and won that game.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
January 17 2017 12:24 GMT
#1225
On January 17 2017 21:22 outscar wrote:
JD [image loading]

TvT zZzZzZ... 3-0 Flash vs. Sea. We can already put FlaSh on liquipedia as winner.

Flash dropped a game against Guemchi. I think it's safe to say that this next series won't be a steamroll. Sea is not as good as Flash but he's not a joke either.
trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
January 17 2017 12:26 GMT
#1226
No, game 5 wasn't extremely one-sided. It was like 3-5 seconds until lurker upgrade finish and he could morf lurkers into entrance to 3rd, then it started to be one-sided because once zerg's 3rd is being canceled so fast, it's almost impossible to win.
yo~.~
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
January 17 2017 12:26 GMT
#1227
I dunno about the meta now, but I recall enjoying TvT a lot because I think its the most strategy based among all 9 matchups. The map's a battlefield, and the commander's overall positioning/movement of his troops and decisions makes or breaks the battle
Zvoboo
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany160 Posts
January 17 2017 12:27 GMT
#1228
Anyone uploaded the english vods with tastosis yet? Missed it live T_T
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 17 2017 12:27 GMT
#1229
Damn JD is popular, I love it.



It was silent compared to this, when Flash won game 5.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
January 17 2017 12:28 GMT
#1230
On January 17 2017 21:27 Zvoboo wrote:
Anyone uploaded the english vods with tastosis yet? Missed it live T_T

You can go straight to the Youtube link in the OP and watch the recording of the broadcast. No need for separate VODs.
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 12:30:32
January 17 2017 12:29 GMT
#1231
Does anyone have a list of the pre-match songs?

Doubt Flash and you will end up disappointed!
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8646 Posts
January 17 2017 12:29 GMT
#1232
On January 17 2017 21:20 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 21:18 Miragee wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:14 FlaShFTW wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:12 Miragee wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:10 FlaShFTW wrote:
Tastosis saying FlaSh barely eeked out that win, but he smashed JD. cmon tastosis i know you want to hype it up but dude, it wasn't even close.


Considering that we would have had a game if lurker aspect finished a few seconds earlier I think this statement is pretty accurate to be honest.

FlaSh still kills at least one egg to run into the base of JD. no way that a good ling surround can happen with marines in that position, and FlaSh's anti-muta micro was on point would have cleaned them up too. There's a reason +1 5rax is the best build against 3 hatch muta for this exact reason for the timing and the amount of marines you have out


I know all that, Jaedong had a third hydra at his third though. Also consider that JD canceled his hydra den. That was a greedy/unlucky decision and got punished.

dont know for sure if it was hydra den. might have been queens nest.


Yes, that's true. I just checked the VOD and you can't see what he was building. However, he placed his hydra den 30 seconds after that action. 30 fucking seconds.
ionONE
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 12:32:04
January 17 2017 12:31 GMT
#1233
So muta builds dont work anymore (vs flash) , or was jd micro just bad?
JANGBI never forget
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 17 2017 12:31 GMT
#1234
On January 17 2017 21:29 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 21:20 FlaShFTW wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:18 Miragee wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:14 FlaShFTW wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:12 Miragee wrote:
On January 17 2017 21:10 FlaShFTW wrote:
Tastosis saying FlaSh barely eeked out that win, but he smashed JD. cmon tastosis i know you want to hype it up but dude, it wasn't even close.


Considering that we would have had a game if lurker aspect finished a few seconds earlier I think this statement is pretty accurate to be honest.

FlaSh still kills at least one egg to run into the base of JD. no way that a good ling surround can happen with marines in that position, and FlaSh's anti-muta micro was on point would have cleaned them up too. There's a reason +1 5rax is the best build against 3 hatch muta for this exact reason for the timing and the amount of marines you have out


I know all that, Jaedong had a third hydra at his third though. Also consider that JD canceled his hydra den. That was a greedy/unlucky decision and got punished.

dont know for sure if it was hydra den. might have been queens nest.


Yes, that's true. I just checked the VOD and you can't see what he was building. However, he placed his hydra den 30 seconds after that action. 30 fucking seconds.

I think it's easy to say this but as you know, the last game was intense. It's understandable that JD placed it a bit later. Having said that, my heart broke when I realized that the hydras weren't morphing. Kept hoping that maybe JD was just holding on until flash gets to the choke to morph them but alas

Biggest mistake was him leaving Flash's main instead of doing so much damage due to lack of turrets. That and delaying lurkers by even a bit. I'm sure he's beating himself up over it and so am I!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
January 17 2017 12:31 GMT
#1235
On January 17 2017 21:08 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
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On January 17 2017 21:05 iamho wrote:
Wonder why JD cancelled his first hydra den.. accident?

almost certainly, i saw that too. Strange no comment from tastosis.


was that a hydra den or evo or 4th hatch btw? surely it was a den?
Enjoy the game
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
January 17 2017 12:31 GMT
#1236
On January 17 2017 21:22 [[Starlight]] wrote:
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On January 17 2017 21:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:
ahhhhhh terran so op -.-

Terran is not OP, Flash is.

Yeah I think we should nerf Flash, he should be forced to kill 3 of his 4 starting SCVs, to make the game fair.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 12:33:29
January 17 2017 12:32 GMT
#1237
felt like every game was
"How long till Jaedong's 3rd base gets murked"
or
"What cheese does Jaedong do for this not to happen and win"
JD has no chance in med to long game, I don't think he'll ever get to that level again.
https://cinesnipe.com
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 17 2017 12:33 GMT
#1238
On January 17 2017 21:31 ionONE wrote:
So muta builds dont work anymore (vs flash) , or was jd micro just bad?

My understanding is that 5 rax +1 is the common build that flash goes for these days and that build coupled with his mnm micro makes it extremely difficult to overcome him. Watch his stream, he's pretty insane when it comes to mnm control and macro.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28522 Posts
January 17 2017 12:34 GMT
#1239
On January 17 2017 21:23 juvenal wrote:
I encourage all SC2 fans ITT to go watch this JvF from 2010 WCG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDj0DkFYAEA
Same level of in-game drama but both players at the peaks of their mastery.

Huh?

That sounds like Apollo
I Protoss winner, could it be?
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
January 17 2017 12:34 GMT
#1240
On January 17 2017 21:31 ionONE wrote:
So muta builds dont work anymore (vs flash) , or was jd micro just bad?


It's just that you need to do NO mistake while doing muta micro. This MU became extremely volatile against zerg. IMO lurkers makes it safer, but may give terran too much map control to do whatever.

JD micro was good, but not perfect enough sadly.
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