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L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
December 20 2016 20:35 GMT
#321
One does not simply cheese/go for early aggro as terran.

It's too risky. Terran sucks early game.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 20 2016 20:47 GMT
#322
Jaedong only has time for the (P)Best
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2984 Posts
December 20 2016 20:50 GMT
#323
I don't thnik JD will go super far in this ASL : his game vs Best was really unconvincing but I had a good laugh watching the last 2 games. Sharp and Mind looked absolutely crushed after those ^_^
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-20 21:00:13
December 20 2016 20:58 GMT
#324
Nice to see JD advance AND beat rax before depot twice, the crowd reaction with the 9 pool was o_o. Mind will hate himself for missing the creep almost as much as that zealot vs Bisu in SSL

On December 21 2016 02:03 iamho wrote:
JD did a really unconventional build. Zerg can straight up beat the protoss army in mid game when mutas pop and snipe the high templar, and again after getting 4 gas and pumping ultras. I'm not sure why JD didn't build mutas or ultras when Best had no reavers and almost no corsairs.

JD's build has been used against 1 gate openings since around late 2015, and is the build that has been used the most along with 5 hatch before gas in the last year. Example games would be Effort vs Bisu VNSL finals games 1 and 3.
Muta switch is risky vs fast 8gate(aka 2 base all in) which Best does a lot(Shuttle too), if anything Bests 3rd was unconventional and was scouted late (props to him). Also pros rarely go 4 gas ultras, this was already happening a lot in Kespa era.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 20 2016 21:10 GMT
#325
Happy to see Jaedong advance. Would have liked more macro play, but as long as he advances
When I think of something else, something will go here
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
December 20 2016 22:06 GMT
#326
We really need BO3... I hope next ASL.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
December 20 2016 22:07 GMT
#327
On December 21 2016 03:51 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2016 02:58 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
On December 20 2016 21:33 classicyellow83 wrote:
For fuck sakes. People shitting on JD on YGOSU for going zergling all in. -_-;;;;;


lol. is 9pool zvt considered an all-in there?


Back in the day it was considered all-in'ish or at least cheesy because you had to surprise the terran with it. I mean, there were some really impressive 9 pool/overpool builds in ZvT that were planned for a macro game (for example Zero vs Flash on Match Point). But it's a rarity I would say.

Zero vs Flash was 12pool.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 20 2016 22:08 GMT
#328
On December 21 2016 02:59 outscar wrote:
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On December 21 2016 01:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 21 2016 00:52 Miragee wrote:
On December 21 2016 00:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 21 2016 00:24 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Basically Mind had a brainfart and completely missed Jaedong's movements. By 3 minutes in Mind realized his mistake but it was too late and Mind knew it. JD's pushed the lings down Mind's throat and that was it.

One of those classic "OH SHIT!!" moments.

Was there a possible scenario where JD isn't top left after seeing the drone is basically what it comes down to, no?


The problem is this: Mind scouted the top left. He didn't see a hatch at the nat so he went up the ramp. He went a little bit further to spot the creep and turn around. I think he actually turned around too quickly and didn't see the creep. That's why he thought Jaedong must be in the top right corner, where he sent his marines to. This is not the first time somebody outsmarted himself by trying to only peak for the creep but turning around to early. Now the real weird thing is that he pushed out at all. If he sees that drone and concludes Jaedong must be in the right corner then it's sure as hell that there is some kind of early pool, might even be 4/5 pool. In every fucking case the terran with an 8 rax should stay defensive and build a bunker because otherwise he is not going to survive.

I checked the pov stream and yeah he didn't see a natural and didn't see creep so i get that part, still the drone is the mysterious factor here i think ^^


Can you tell the link where you watched that?

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/16303353
Here it is
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1534 Posts
December 20 2016 23:07 GMT
#329
On December 21 2016 05:35 classicyellow83 wrote:
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On December 21 2016 04:01 Freakling wrote:
On December 21 2016 03:40 classicyellow83 wrote:
On December 21 2016 03:31 Freakling wrote:
They did some really weird overnight changes to Demian over night... Minerals in the top left main look really horrible now ;\ Why?!

it's bc the old one had mining problems compared to other starting locations

There was no mining problem. If anything a splitting problem. I don't really like the solution though...

Players were complaining so.....

You have any actual insights into the background? Or are you just speculating like me?
ilsamsamchil
Profile Joined September 2010
155 Posts
December 20 2016 23:43 GMT
#330
tasteless sounded like he was actually excited to cast the game so that was fun to watch smileyface
https://www.twitch.tv/ShowbuTV
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
December 21 2016 00:12 GMT
#331
First time listening to Bisudagger. He nailed the solo cast. I enjoyed every minute.

And it doesnt hurt that the sexiest player of all time advanced to the ro8.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Varbind
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada113 Posts
December 21 2016 00:45 GMT
#332
On December 21 2016 03:50 Minkzilla wrote:
Not the best games, but they were exciting in their own right. I'm just happy JD got through. Sadly his protoss seems fairly weak, and there are going to be a lot of protoss from here on out. I believe in the Dong though. He will pull through. Either way im fucking pumped for more ASL. I forgot how much more fun it is to watch BW than sc2.



Couldn't agree more
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51621 Posts
December 21 2016 01:26 GMT
#333
On December 21 2016 07:06 HaN- wrote:
We really need BO3... I hope next ASL.


won't happen.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-21 02:27:24
December 21 2016 02:26 GMT
#334
On December 21 2016 03:50 Minkzilla wrote:
I believe in the Dong though. He will pull through. Either way im fucking pumped


C0de-rich post there.


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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-21 02:37:51
December 21 2016 02:35 GMT
#335
On December 21 2016 09:12 Elroi wrote:
First time listening to Bisudagger. He nailed the solo cast. I enjoyed every minute.

Yeah, BD did a really good job. His analysis was on point pretty much all the time.

Still would like to see him get his casting partner back (either FlashFTW returns, or he gets someone else). I think that would make him even better, and it's always nice to have someone to play off of.




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Engdrew
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States890 Posts
December 21 2016 04:56 GMT
#336
Just finished watching the VOD for this, I can't believe Mind didn't see the creep LOL. Woes of being too "quick" for your own good.
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Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3502 Posts
December 21 2016 04:58 GMT
#337
On December 20 2016 21:06 Harem wrote:
seeing dirty 8rax'ers get punished is so carthartic

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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 21 2016 05:08 GMT
#338
On December 21 2016 13:56 Engdrew wrote:
Just finished watching the VOD for this, I can't believe Mind didn't see the creep LOL. Woes of being too "quick" for your own good.

same, dang. I was wondering why he sent the marines there. Thought it was to snipe the OL originally and he saw the main but well, that explains everything lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10569 Posts
December 21 2016 06:18 GMT
#339
On December 21 2016 11:35 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2016 09:12 Elroi wrote:
First time listening to Bisudagger. He nailed the solo cast. I enjoyed every minute.

Yeah, BD did a really good job. His analysis was on point pretty much all the time.

Still would like to see him get his casting partner back (either FlashFTW returns, or he gets someone else). I think that would make him even better, and it's always nice to have someone to play off of.





New Zealand and Australia confirmed too nice. Im never coming back. Jk but ill try to come back for group D, otherwise expect me back for the quarterfinals.
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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-21 09:09:01
December 21 2016 08:20 GMT
#340
On December 21 2016 15:18 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2016 11:35 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On December 21 2016 09:12 Elroi wrote:
First time listening to Bisudagger. He nailed the solo cast. I enjoyed every minute.

Yeah, BD did a really good job. His analysis was on point pretty much all the time.

Still would like to see him get his casting partner back (either FlashFTW returns, or he gets someone else). I think that would make him even better, and it's always nice to have someone to play off of.





New Zealand and Australia confirmed too nice. Im never coming back. Jk but ill try to come back for group D, otherwise expect me back for the quarterfinals.


groovy.
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