Wanted to post a reply on this in the other thread but it got closed. I think from now on it's pretty clear what you guys have to decide - either open the tournament to other top level Korean/Chinese players or make it a foreigner tournament for real.
On August 10 2015 06:01 Rus_Brain wrote: Scan, do u feel inevitable? ^^
What a wonderful way to start the thread sir.
User was warned for this post
guys like you give us a great basis to have a constructive and productive discussion about the whole topic.Thanks for your posting this, it's so great!
I really don't see why I shouldn't, so reply here:
On August 09 2015 sas.ZaRaki wrote:
Is not my birthday thanks
Great leader Largo told me to gratulate you whenever I see you. He then sent me this picture and added "of course, if you don't want to, I'm fine with that".
Wanted to post a reply on this in the other thread but it got closed. I think from now on it's pretty clear what you guys have to decide - either open the tournament to other top level Korean/Chinese players or make it a foreigner tournament for real.
On August 11 2015 01:45 johanes wrote: Pray to god. Everything is going to be ok.
If Mondragon decides to play we prolly have to ban him. He is too good (;;
sure from what i saw in the oldschool tournaments he has a long way to go,maybe in 2017 !
Well he was able to defeat best korean pros during his time. Can you do that?
some names i won in fish server nto`smle mong iris pure lazy shuttle olympus(this one many times) larva killer hero zelot britney and many others i forgot, im not some shit talker hater or something,im someone that dl packs of mondragon replays and studied him to get better,my post was as a joke,but to be honest from what i saw in the last tournament he played he need lot of work,i didnt mean to offend ur feelings.
Sharp getting rekt by eon even after korean style wraithu opening. Hwasin did all he could, remember he didn't play since match fixing thing, started laddering this year.
I'm late to the party but previous thread locked. Vanatir knocked out Trutacz with lame cheese to just forfeit his 3rd place spot? That's pure douchbaggery...
On August 11 2015 12:02 outscar wrote: And also about lags: You need to read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/59178-on-latencies-and-microing-in-advance Is there still a way to play BW through VPN which means you login via LAN not battle.net, and LAN latency is zero. Happy mutas. Someone from tech support should give it a try (Hamachi? Garena?).
There is Direct IP connection option in mca launcher, is there a way to properly use it and will it be 0 latency?
Also iCCup launcher (mca64 too) got option "Force LAN latency" if it's working maybe both players need to connect via it by checking on that option.
Wow I cannot believe I didn't think of Hamachi when me and Dienmax just flipped a coin to determine the winner, maybe we could have played on Hamachi.
On August 11 2015 01:45 johanes wrote: Pray to god. Everything is going to be ok.
If Mondragon decides to play we prolly have to ban him. He is too good (;;
sure from what i saw in the oldschool tournaments he has a long way to go,maybe in 2017 !
Well he was able to defeat best korean pros during his time. Can you do that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJwH80Vq3gE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNdQpO6hcd4 some names i won in fish server nto`smle mong iris pure lazy shuttle olympus(this one many times) larva killer hero zelot britney and many others i forgot, im not some shit talker hater or something,im someone that dl packs of mondragon replays and studied him to get better,my post was as a joke,but to be honest from what i saw in the last tournament he played he need lot of work,i didnt mean to offend ur feelings.
That is very impressive, but still shouldn't downplay Mondragon as he is a legend, and his name carries weight.
On August 11 2015 07:43 outscar wrote: I'm late to the party but previous thread locked. Vanatir knocked out Trutacz with lame cheese to just forfeit his 3rd place spot? That's pure douchbaggery...
Would you play more games in a tour where you get w.o. out cause ur opponent provides unplayable lag even with high latency after playing for many hours? I definitly not.
On August 11 2015 12:02 outscar wrote: And also about lags: You need to read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/59178-on-latencies-and-microing-in-advance Is there still a way to play BW through VPN which means you login via LAN not battle.net, and LAN latency is zero? Happy mutas. Someone from tech support should give it a try (Hamachi? Garena?).
There is Direct IP connection option in mca launcher, is there a way to properly use it and will it be 0 latency?
Also iCCup launcher (mca64 too) got option "Force LAN latency" if it's working maybe both players need to connect via it by checking on that option.
On August 11 2015 12:02 outscar wrote: And also about lags: You need to read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/59178-on-latencies-and-microing-in-advance Is there still a way to play BW through VPN which means you login via LAN not battle.net, and LAN latency is zero? Happy mutas. Someone from tech support should give it a try (Hamachi? Garena?).
There is Direct IP connection option in mca launcher, is there a way to properly use it and will it be 0 latency?
Also iCCup launcher (mca64 too) got option "Force LAN latency" if it's working maybe both players need to connect via it by checking on that option.
That thread is completely wrong.
About the hamachi thing i have no idea it might work
On August 11 2015 01:45 johanes wrote: Pray to god. Everything is going to be ok.
If Mondragon decides to play we prolly have to ban him. He is too good (;;
sure from what i saw in the oldschool tournaments he has a long way to go,maybe in 2017 !
Well he was able to defeat best korean pros during his time. Can you do that?
some names i won in fish server nto`smle mong iris pure lazy shuttle olympus(this one many times) larva killer hero zelot britney and many others i forgot, im not some shit talker hater or something,im someone that dl packs of mondragon replays and studied him to get better,my post was as a joke,but to be honest from what i saw in the last tournament he played he need lot of work,i didnt mean to offend ur feelings.
This brings up 1 question in me. If you won vs all those remarkable players (fair share of them considered the top korean pro gamers) then how come you can't get even close to win vs Scan? This is not a troll question, I am not trying to offend you I just can't explain it to myself.
On August 11 2015 01:45 johanes wrote: Pray to god. Everything is going to be ok.
If Mondragon decides to play we prolly have to ban him. He is too good (;;
sure from what i saw in the oldschool tournaments he has a long way to go,maybe in 2017 !
Well he was able to defeat best korean pros during his time. Can you do that?
some names i won in fish server nto`smle mong iris pure lazy shuttle olympus(this one many times) larva killer hero zelot britney and many others i forgot, im not some shit talker hater or something,im someone that dl packs of mondragon replays and studied him to get better,my post was as a joke,but to be honest from what i saw in the last tournament he played he need lot of work,i didnt mean to offend ur feelings.
This brings up 1 question in me. If you won vs all those remarkable players (fair share of them considered the top korean pro gamers) then how come you can't get even close to win vs Scan? This is not a troll question, I am not trying to offend you I just can't explain it to myself.
Just because you beat someone, doesn't mean you're better than them. No one can win every Starcraft game because the game has too much variance. I've beaten a ton of Korean Progamers including Starleague champions and players who were ranked #1 in the world at the time. That by no means suggests that I was a better player than them or would win in a best of match. It could be that I was on a good day and they were on an off, my build happened to counter theirs, they were trying out something which failed, or I just happened to play above my normal self and out-play them that game. Whatever the reason, I've beaten a ton of players who were clearly better than me. I have also lost to a ton of players who were clearly worst than me. This is true for every gamer.
^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
You basically insulted him and then said the exact same thing as he did about beating a better player 1 time. Did you come into the thread angry?
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
You basically insulted him and then said the exact same thing as he did about beating a better player 1 time. Did you come into the thread angry?
I never said anything about beating a better player one time, I already admit im chobo and I have nothing to prove. Not even a Scan fanboy, just finding it hilarious how people boast about beating better players than going on to whine about Scan. If you take my words as an insult why don't you prove me wrong by beating Scan in a proper BoX series? I would love to see that.
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
You basically insulted him and then said the exact same thing as he did about beating a better player 1 time. Did you come into the thread angry?
I never said anything about beating a better player one time, I already admit im chobo and I have nothing to prove. Not even a Scan fanboy, just finding it hilarious how people boast about beating better players than going on to whine about Scan. If you take my words as an insult why don't you prove me wrong by beating Scan in a proper BoX series? I would love to see that.
... I think you missed the point that both G5 and eonzerg are saying that they've beaten players as good as Scan, but they can't beat them in a BoX... You're arguing the same side, they're saying they can't beat him or anyone of his caliber in a BoX and you're calling them egotistical idiots saying that they can't possibly beat him in a BoX.
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
You basically insulted him and then said the exact same thing as he did about beating a better player 1 time. Did you come into the thread angry?
I never said anything about beating a better player one time, I already admit im chobo and I have nothing to prove. Not even a Scan fanboy, just finding it hilarious how people boast about beating better players than going on to whine about Scan. If you take my words as an insult why don't you prove me wrong by beating Scan in a proper BoX series? I would love to see that.
... I think you missed the point that both G5 and eonzerg are saying that they've beaten players as good as Scan, but they can't beat them in a BoX... You're arguing the same side, they're saying they can't beat him or anyone of his caliber in a BoX and you're calling them egotistical idiots saying that they can't possibly beat him in a BoX.
what part of "Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7." do you not get? or do you really believe foreigners can beat them in a BO5/BO7 consistently? all those 20+ pages of Scan whine in the other thread are just for the lulz? LOL
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
You basically insulted him and then said the exact same thing as he did about beating a better player 1 time. Did you come into the thread angry?
I never said anything about beating a better player one time, I already admit im chobo and I have nothing to prove. Not even a Scan fanboy, just finding it hilarious how people boast about beating better players than going on to whine about Scan. If you take my words as an insult why don't you prove me wrong by beating Scan in a proper BoX series? I would love to see that.
... I think you missed the point that both G5 and eonzerg are saying that they've beaten players as good as Scan, but they can't beat them in a BoX... You're arguing the same side, they're saying they can't beat him or anyone of his caliber in a BoX and you're calling them egotistical idiots saying that they can't possibly beat him in a BoX.
what part of "Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7." do you not get? or do you really believe foreigners can beat them in a BO5/BO7 consistently? all those 20+ pages of Scan whine in the other thread are just for the lulz? LOL
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
You basically insulted him and then said the exact same thing as he did about beating a better player 1 time. Did you come into the thread angry?
I never said anything about beating a better player one time, I already admit im chobo and I have nothing to prove. Not even a Scan fanboy, just finding it hilarious how people boast about beating better players than going on to whine about Scan. If you take my words as an insult why don't you prove me wrong by beating Scan in a proper BoX series? I would love to see that.
... I think you missed the point that both G5 and eonzerg are saying that they've beaten players as good as Scan, but they can't beat them in a BoX... You're arguing the same side, they're saying they can't beat him or anyone of his caliber in a BoX and you're calling them egotistical idiots saying that they can't possibly beat him in a BoX.
what part of "Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7." do you not get? or do you really believe foreigners can beat them in a BO5/BO7 consistently? all those 20+ pages of Scan whine in the other thread are just for the lulz? LOL
I'm pretty sure you're trolling.
Scan has already won 3 TLCs in a row. Hows that for a troll statement? I have no offense to trutatcz, eonzerg and others that actually tried to play, its the people that makes empty boasts thats hilarious/disgusting.
Hey guys please don't derail this thread unless you have some really good hockey cards to start handing out to everyone for causing drama, lets keep it civil and have a nice time!
I for one am hype about losing again this week to be honest, last week I got to round 2 and then we had to flip a coin to see who continued on, needless to say the coin did not land on my side. Gl hf gg !
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
Lets place a 100$bet, i bet that scan will not lose a single game playing terran in tlc4, you going in?
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
the only reason i made this list was cuz this question : johanes Profile Blog PM Joined May 2008 Czech Republic2035 Posts 1 day ago #20 On August 11 2015 02:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Show nested quote +
sure from what i saw in the oldschool tournaments he has a long way to go,maybe in 2017 !
Well he was able to defeat best korean pros during his time. Can you do that?
I myself im a mondragon fan,watched his vods watches his replays,it happens im actually someone that knows how bw lvl works,so the way this guy asked me question looked like a was just a hater trash talking king zerg Mondragon,now posting this list others like you and the other user took it to talk about why i cant win scan,i wasnt planing to explain this cuz anyone with some knowledge in bw skills will instantly know,but when you are ignorant in the topic this could happen,as you see i played all these players in the fish ladder,for most of them it was the first time we meet and i could show my timings and in others lot of luck helped,they are streaming in afreeca,talking with viewers sometimes they arent using their 100% focus to play,others they are using handicaps to the viewers,like for example piano played me without medics and still won lol.now if we were playing a money tournament im sure i couldnt take any games from progamers where they will use their best to conquer the victory.
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
Lets place a 100$bet, i bet that scan will not lose a single game playing terran in tlc4, you going in?
means you are not playing tlc anymore?
On August 12 2015 14:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
I myself im a mondragon fan,watched his vods watches his replays,it happens im actually someone that knows how bw lvl works,so the way this guy asked me question looked like a was just a hater trash talking king zerg Mondragon,now posting this list others like you and the other user took it to talk about why i cant win scan,i wasnt planing to explain this cuz anyone with some knowledge in bw skills will instantly know,but when you are ignorant in the topic this could happen,as you see i played all these players in the fish ladder,for most of them it was the first time we meet and i could show my timings and in others lot of luck helped,they are streaming in afreeca,talking with viewers sometimes they arent using their 100% focus to play,others they are using handicaps to the viewers,like for example piano played me without medics and still won lol.now if we were playing a money tournament im sure i couldnt take any games from progamers where they will use their best to conquer the victory.
actually i typed wrongly, wasn't directing at you, just G5 only. maybe i shouldn't have replied considering his childish posts in the previous thread.
If Mondragon decides to play we prolly have to ban him. He is too good (;; [/QUOTE] sure from what i saw in the oldschool tournaments he has a long way to go,maybe in 2017 ![/QUOTE] Well he was able to defeat best korean pros during his time. Can you do that?[/QUOTE] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJwH80Vq3gE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNdQpO6hcd4 some names i won in fish server nto`smle mong iris pure lazy shuttle olympus(this one many times) larva killer hero zelot britney and many others i forgot, im not some shit talker hater or something,im someone that dl packs of mondragon replays and studied him to get better,my post was as a joke,but to be honest from what i saw in the last tournament he played he need lot of work,i didnt mean to offend ur feelings.[/QUOTE]
actually not here '' progaming '' bw ur win ex pros. mondragon win real pros : ) and this list ,i didnt mean to offend ur feelings rather weak by comparison mondragon. if not come sc2 you'd be in trouble.
On August 12 2015 19:10 sas.Sziky wrote: If Mondragon decides to play we prolly have to ban him. He is too good (;;
actually not here '' progaming '' bw ur win ex pros. mondragon win real pros : ) and this list ,i didnt mean to offend ur feelings rather weak by comparison mondragon. if not come sc2 you'd be in trouble.[/QUOTE]
hmm,you won they all with offraces and killing your drones :D but k if someone like you said this i have to shutup and defend the theory of the Mondragon rises ^^ !!
AND >TO BE CLEAR,IM NOT SAYING Mondi COULDNT COMEBACK AND BEAT ALL OF US,IM JUST SAYING HE NEEDS TIME, TIME OK ??? stop making me looking like a hater fuck,i love mondragon <3
On August 12 2015 19:10 sas.Sziky wrote: If Mondragon decides to play we prolly have to ban him. He is too good (;;
actually not here '' progaming '' bw ur win ex pros. mondragon win real pros : ) and this list ,i didnt mean to offend ur feelings rather weak by comparison mondragon. if not come sc2 you'd be in trouble.
hmm,you won they all with offraces and killing your drones :D but k if someone like you said this i have to shutup and defend the theory of the Mondragon rises ^^ !!
AND >TO BE CLEAR,IM NOT SAYING Mondi COULDNT COMEBACK AND BEAT ALL OF US,IM JUST SAYING HE NEEDS TIME, TIME OK ??? stop making me looking like a hater fuck,i love mondragon <3
just do a zergling runby next time to pay tribute to him
i'd like to make a betting poll: 1. scan wins tour 4 with no losing a single game-----------1:0.4 2. scan wins tour 4 with losing one or more than one game------------1:2.5 3. scan does not win tour 4------------------1:8 4. scan does not participate in tour 4-------------------1:20
On August 12 2015 21:37 yellowsmile wrote: i'd like to make a betting poll: 1. scan wins tour 4 with no losing a single game-----------1:0.4 2. scan wins tour 4 with losing one or more than one game------------1:2.5 3. scan does not win tour 4------------------1:8 4. scan does not participate in tour 4-------------------1:20
now place ur real money in!
5. scan losing in the first round but still wins the whole thing by default.
On August 12 2015 19:10 sas.Sziky wrote: If Mondragon decides to play we prolly have to ban him. He is too good (;;
actually not here '' progaming '' bw ur win ex pros. mondragon win real pros : ) and this list ,i didnt mean to offend ur feelings rather weak by comparison mondragon. if not come sc2 you'd be in trouble.
hmm,you won they all with offraces and killing your drones :D but k if someone like you said this i have to shutup and defend the theory of the Mondragon rises ^^ !!
AND >TO BE CLEAR,IM NOT SAYING Mondi COULDNT COMEBACK AND BEAT ALL OF US,IM JUST SAYING HE NEEDS TIME, TIME OK ??? stop making me looking like a hater fuck,i love mondragon <3[/QUOTE]
i have to agree with Eon here. i wrote this
If Mondragon decides to play we prolly have to ban him. He is too good (;;
to make a joke earlier. Ofc everybody knows Mondragon was one of the top foreigners of all times. But in BW you actually need a lot of practice to be good and that's true for everybody. That this is also true for Dissy was plain to see in the Reunion Tour. And Eon has said nothing but that, he didnt claim Dissy was bad or anything. So i don't know what the trouble is regarding this joke of mine.
Scan refuses to collect the prize money out of sportsmanship to prove he's only here "to perform high quality games" (i.e. 3-0 everyone ez) ----------- 1 : 9000
On August 12 2015 10:20 Probemicro wrote: ^lol saying all that egotist nonsense and still whining about Scan :-)
of course i am a fucking chobo/numbasek but at least im honest and not exhibiting Dunning-Kruger syndrome like a few here who then scream about banning Scan by pretending to take the moral high ground saying hes Korean and whatnot. Even former legends like NaDa/July admit they are chobo compared to the current gen of players but still finds time to enjoy the game rather than stroking their ego.
for the record this game actually has much less variance than say, sc2 simply because people with higher skill levels can really distinguish themselves thanks to its higher skill ceiling. Beating people in a BO1 is also hugely different to beating someone in a BO5/BO7. Every (good) foreigner has a good chance to beat Scan in a BO1 but hardly ever in a BO5/BO7.
Lets place a 100$bet, i bet that scan will not lose a single game playing terran in tlc4, you going in?
On August 12 2015 21:37 yellowsmile wrote: i'd like to make a betting poll: 1. scan wins tour 4 with no losing a single game-----------1:0.4 2. scan wins tour 4 with losing one or more than one game------------1:2.5 3. scan does not win tour 4------------------1:8 4. scan does not participate in tour 4-------------------1:20
now place ur real money in!
You can't be serious. If you were I would just place 1 000 USD on bet 4 and make a deal with Scan ^^
TLC4 still no new maps; disappointing. Adding just 1 new map wouldn't hurt, right? Imo It would be nice if TLS could have at least one foreigner made map in the map pool, so why not start testing now?
On August 13 2015 06:21 Nuclease wrote: Somehow, this might be the most incomprehensible, angry, and generally cluster-fucked thread I've ever seen on TL.
I'm excited to see some small-time BW action, hopefully people stop bitching and just play the game.
It is a lot easier to see this from an objective point of view when you are not actually playing in this event I think.
Destination and Matchpoint?! 2x 2player maps and Destination provides some of the most boring TvAll matchups to watch. Either early cheese or 30min+ slow slugfest.
Seriously give Freakling or one of the other devs a chance with a non-korean map, it will vastly increase your sample of games on those maps to judge balance if that is your concern and show us if they'll be suitable for TLS. Yes I know you keep saying TLC is not related to TLS, but I'm sure you'll be looking at player activity for TLS seeds from it, and testing maps is a good idea too.
On August 13 2015 06:57 DarkNetHunter wrote: Destination and Matchpoint?! 2x 2player maps and Destination provides some of the most boring TvAll matchups to watch. Either early cheese or 30min+ slow slugfest.
Seriously give Freakling or one of the other devs a chance with a non-korean map, it will vastly increase your sample of games on those maps to judge balance if that is your concern and show us if they'll be suitable for TLS. Yes I know you keep saying TLC is not related to TLS, but I'm sure you'll be looking at player activity for TLS seeds from it, and testing maps is a good idea too.
Hell no, destination and matchpoint are awesome. Destination/matchpoint/HBR/FS are best maps.
On August 15 2015 09:17 Assault_1 wrote: Interesting, scan/trutacs/julia havent signed up, and draw can't play because no computer yet. Maybe dragon[pain] can win this
Scan and Trutacz might sign up before it's game time. Draw already signed up. Dunno about julia.
On August 15 2015 09:17 Assault_1 wrote: Interesting, scan/trutacs/julia havent signed up, and draw can't play because no computer yet. Maybe dragon[pain] can win this
Scan and Trutacz might sign up before it's game time. Draw already signed up. Dunno about julia.
Julia already stated he won't play cause of Scan(if i remember correctly)
On August 15 2015 09:17 Assault_1 wrote: Interesting, scan/trutacs/julia havent signed up, and draw can't play because no computer yet. Maybe dragon[pain] can win this
Scan and Trutacz might sign up before it's game time. Draw already signed up. Dunno about julia.
Julia already stated he won't play cause of Scan(if i remember correctly)
At least Scans participation is good for something
Damn I stayed up way to late playing Hello Kitty Online, totally forgot it was Saturday. I messed up guys I totally messed up, and the sad part is that I really was playing Hello Kitty Online.
i have a question, how wallace and infected dissapeared from the list with players, they can unregister or what? And lol Scan registering in the last moment.'/-_-\'
On August 16 2015 03:34 _Animus_ wrote: i have a question, how wallace and infected dissapeared from the list with players, they can unregister or what? And lol Scan registering in the last moment.'/-_-\'
Trololol
Give them hope, then take it away at the last moment.
On August 16 2015 03:34 _Animus_ wrote: i have a question, how wallace and infected dissapeared from the list with players, they can unregister or what? And lol Scan registering in the last moment.'/-_-\'
i dont understand rus_brain why he give free money for scan... if scan its allowed to play try call some gosu korean from fish ,cuz before tourn every1 know who will win easy . sorry but this tsl so boring cuz scan win easy everything.
On August 16 2015 06:18 vinipuxas wrote: i dont understand rus_brain why he give free money for scan... if scan its allowed to play try call some gosu korean from fish ,cuz before tourn every1 know who will win easy . sorry but this tsl so boring cuz scan win easy everything.
Basically that is the common consensus, I could very easily get more than enough gosu Korean players from Fish to participate from this if it were allowed to even the playing field, theres plenty of gosu players from Ever), [Shield], KT.MGW), Dream.T) and even Minus) the clan scan is in that would love to play in this but then it wouldn't be a foreign tournament....
Although, I guess it is not even really a foreign tournament at the moment.
On August 16 2015 03:34 _Animus_ wrote: i have a question, how wallace and infected dissapeared from the list with players, they can unregister or what? And lol Scan registering in the last moment.'/-_-\'
dont call this a "foreigner tour" then if you are gonna let Scan play,he's korean and lives in korea, might as well let Mvpwisdom play and others pro from fish, i mean if it was a real foreigner, meaning Scan cannot play, we would actually see different winners and i think people would enjoy this tour even more as they would have a chance to actually win... the way it is Scan is just gonna win every week owning everyone on his way. or you can let him play with either protoss or zerg.. his terran is just way too strong... hoping to see changes for next week...
On August 16 2015 03:34 _Animus_ wrote: i have a question, how wallace and infected dissapeared from the list with players, they can unregister or what? And lol Scan registering in the last moment.'/-_-\'
Was out drinking and that was just the check-in list in which me and inf3cted didn't manage to make it. But as i see obviously Scan didn't win with a sweeping victory obliterating all opposition without any problem this time. If any changes are going to occur to these tournaments i'd encourage them to begin now otherwise who cares, the players are not sponsoring anything so we might as well bite the dust and stroke Scan's penis or something.
On August 16 2015 09:25 amazingxkcd wrote: Or you guys can stop being bitches and just practice, but that's none of my concern
it's like... why are you here, being TL writer and caster? Why don't you just practice a bit and then write best-selling novels and commentate for NBC Sports making millions of moneyz?
This tournaments are getting really boring... TLC3 finals was less entertaining that 2 random newbies playing... I haven't watched TLC4 because it's obvious who is going to win.
On August 16 2015 16:34 mca64Launcher_ wrote: why not just not to cast Scan's games? Its a disgrace to watch foreigners vs Scan,, where even with offrace he makes looks foreigners like D-.
On August 16 2015 09:25 amazingxkcd wrote: Or you guys can stop being bitches and just practice, but that's none of my concern
Like Scan does aye? We just have to practice hard and dedicated like him and we'll claim the victory Carefully now boy. Any more of that kissing Scan's ass might provoke valid concerns about the taste in your mouth.. after all you're using it for the casts we all love.
On August 16 2015 18:41 trutaCz wrote: Could people saying, "go practice" simply shut up, its being offensive, and confirmes a lack of knowledge about bw...
You are not funny. Go play vs me 40games in the row i can assure you wont win a single one, then go practice 2month like a sick idiot, and i can assure you, you wont win a single one, bye.
Even if we organise private forums to discuss every Scan's replay, preparing strategies, practicing 4 hours a day. It will increase our chances to win by 10%. The best choice is to hire someone to break internet cable in Scan's house :D
On August 16 2015 19:31 iFU.spx wrote: Even if we organise private forums to discuss every Scan's replay, preparing strategies, practicing 4 hours a day. It will increase our chances to win by 10%. The best choice is to hire someone to break internet cable in Scan's house :D
On August 16 2015 19:03 trutaCz wrote: You are not funny. Go play vs me 40games in the row i can assure you wont win a single one, then go practice 2month like a sick idiot, and i can assure you, you wont win a single one, bye.
It's funny to me and I disagree judging on how lackluster your early game still is. Go practice.
On August 16 2015 19:03 trutaCz wrote: You are not funny. Go play vs me 40games in the row i can assure you wont win a single one, then go practice 2month like a sick idiot, and i can assure you, you wont win a single one, bye.
It's funny to me and I disagree judging on how lackluster your early game still is. Go practice.
On August 16 2015 19:03 trutaCz wrote: You are not funny. Go play vs me 40games in the row i can assure you wont win a single one, then go practice 2month like a sick idiot, and i can assure you, you wont win a single one, bye.
It's funny to me and I disagree judging on how lackluster your early game still is. Go practice.
Insulting TT's skill level here just makes you look dumb. No one can and no one should argue TT's skill or dedication, more so than most foreigners on the skill, more so than all foreigners on the dedication to foreign BW. What you just posted is a disgrace and with all due respect to TT, if you think he's beating Scan in a Bo3 or Bo5 after some practice, then you truly know nothing about Brood War.
On August 16 2015 09:25 amazingxkcd wrote: Or you guys can stop being bitches and just practice, but that's none of my concern
Is this the official TL announcement in relation we were promised to a korean's participation in a "foreigner" series of tournaments?
No.
2Pac, you were gonna collect some information regarding Scan during these tournaments, is there any yet? At least tell us what kind of information is it? I have no idea what could it possibly be, if not the latency issues and measure of his absolute domination.
On August 16 2015 19:03 trutaCz wrote: You are not funny. Go play vs me 40games in the row i can assure you wont win a single one, then go practice 2month like a sick idiot, and i can assure you, you wont win a single one, bye.
It's funny to me and I disagree judging on how lackluster your early game still is. Go practice.
What are you getting from it exactly ? I cant just believe u re doing it for the lulz so plz tell me what type of acomplishement you getting from this type of comment,cuz it is making you like a total ignorant.
On August 16 2015 19:03 trutaCz wrote: You are not funny. Go play vs me 40games in the row i can assure you wont win a single one, then go practice 2month like a sick idiot, and i can assure you, you wont win a single one, bye.
It's funny to me and I disagree judging on how lackluster your early game still is. Go practice.
on a rather more serious note: Could you please make a thorough in-depth analysis of trutaCz tournament early game? Could you break it up for each match up for us please? How many games is the game sample we are speaking speak of? Do we talk just the TLC or defiler tournaments, TLS, ISL's participations? Oh wait... is it just tournament games or ladder games that were being observed from trutaCz's reppacks and/or stream when he was laddering Fish to get as best ranking as he could?
What is your working defition for 'early game' for each match up? Could you please elaborate on the defition of 'lackluckster' too?
Also last, but not least, could you please be more specific about 'Go practice' - could you please propose a schedule for trutaCz BW and non-BW activities' regime?
If I don't receive satisfying answers, will I be wrong in reporting your comment as a personal attack/insult?
If you don't like Scan's issue, you can always not sign up for another tour and stop whining. If there will be 5 players they have to reconsider it. Or at least they will change Single elimination system to double elimination, cause stream would last for less than an hour :D
Btw. if I meet Scan in bracket next time, I'm going to use my 3rd race against him. Everyone should.
On August 16 2015 09:25 amazingxkcd wrote: Or you guys can stop being bitches and just practice, but that's none of my concern
on a rather more serious note I have some questions here too:
What is your working defition for a 'bitch' here? Could you please make a list of the people you refer to as bitches here? For example: am I worthy enough to be into your bitchlist?
Also, could you please be more specific about 'just practice'? Can I know what is the meaning of that? Should all bitches from your bitchlist go and do the same type and amount of practice? Could I know what kind of daily schedule for the bitches you have in mind in order to "just practice"? Why should they do that?
If I don't receive satisfying answers, will I be wrong in reporting your comment as a community (or personal, if the bitchlist is not as long as I think it is) attack/insult?
On August 16 2015 22:24 BulgarianToss wrote: Here is a poll for the viewers:
Poll: Is Scan's participation bringing entertainment to the viewer?
Yes, i'm lovin' it (3)
7%
There are some good games (6)
13%
Feels kind of boring and one-sided (6)
13%
No, it's a predictable stomp fest (30)
67%
45 total votes
Your vote: Is Scan's participation bringing entertainment to the viewer?
(Vote): Yes, i'm lovin' it (Vote): There are some good games (Vote): Feels kind of boring and one-sided (Vote): No, it's a predictable stomp fest
Very nice poll, Wallace. The question is fairly open to various interpretations for my imaginative mind.
Could you please add the option 'Yes, I like it, because of reasons' ?
This way I can vote 'Yes, I like it,' because I am interested in seeing how incompetent and disrespectful the Elite TL organizers could get towards players in thread by thread. Thus I could somewhat confirm something I stated in the previous thread: The problem is that the Elite TL BW organizers are either not competent enough to know stuff or cannot maintain a D or above rank at iccup or both. Losing my respect for TL BW events slowly but surely day by day.
On August 16 2015 22:24 BulgarianToss wrote: Here is a poll for the viewers:
Poll: Is Scan's participation bringing entertainment to the viewer?
Yes, i'm lovin' it (3)
7%
There are some good games (6)
13%
Feels kind of boring and one-sided (6)
13%
No, it's a predictable stomp fest (30)
67%
45 total votes
Your vote: Is Scan's participation bringing entertainment to the viewer?
(Vote): Yes, i'm lovin' it (Vote): There are some good games (Vote): Feels kind of boring and one-sided (Vote): No, it's a predictable stomp fest
Very nice poll, Wallace. The question is fairly open to various interpretations for my imaginative mind.
Could you please add the option 'Yes, I like it, because of reasons' ?
This way I can vote 'Yes, I like it,' because I am interested in seeing how incompetent and disrespectful the Elite TL organizers could get towards players in thread by thread. Thus I could somewhat confirm something I stated in the previous thread: The problem is that the Elite TL BW organizers are either not competent enough to know stuff or cannot maintain a D or above rank at iccup or both. Losing my respect for TL BW events slowly but surely day by day.
i love how they answer go practise ahahahaa,is funny and sad at the same time -.-
To be fair this poll misses the point slightly. Given that we're talking about the game as competitive as BW, the tournament is not all about pleasing or entertaining the viewers but about actually competing and determining the best. I've said this a couple of times but not everyone agrees on it: I think it's not the Scan's strength per se, rather how he got it (being Korean, practicing with progamers, reportedly even reaching the SKTT1 rookie status and so forth, it has been said multiple times). I.e. the community perceives the competition as unfair.
On August 17 2015 00:09 juvenal wrote: To be fair this poll misses the point slightly. Given that we're talking about the game as competitive as BW, the tournament is not all about pleasing or entertaining the viewers but about actually competing and determining the best. I've said this a couple of times but not everyone agrees on it: I think it's not the Scan's strength per se, rather how he got it (being Korean, practicing with progamers, reportedly even reaching the SKTT1 rookie status and so forth, it has been said multiple times). I.e. the community perceives the competition as unfair.
The organisers say "fock the players" you say "fock the viewers" with only person that benefits from the situation is Scan and seeing how much unhappy people there are, these tournaments are looking not good. I dont see any positive comments or any hype from other than the organisers themselves.
The poll is important, coz viewers are important. I did skipped the finals entirely, since i know il watch bad games i get to the other room and made something to eat. How funny is for a viewer to want to skip finals to a tournament that he is watching? Or suggestions from other people like "dont cast scans games", so the cast will end before finals lol.
Dude, I'm probably the main Scan hater in these threads. Still, you don't ban a player simply because he's OP, that's a laughable attitude. Moreover, it's actually kinda offensive towards the other players. As if they're afraid of him - no, they're not, they just want fair competition, that's all. I'll say it again, Sziky owned the TLS 1,2,3 and everyone was fine with it, because he's a foreigner. That is when you tell others to go practice a bit, because that's exactly what Sziky did.
im not saying ban scan because he is op, but that his participation hurts both player and viewer count and poll is relevent because viewers opinion need to be counted too.
On August 16 2015 18:41 trutaCz wrote: Could people saying, "go practice" simply shut up, its being offensive, and confirmes a lack of knowledge about bw...
I like how this joking comment by Artanis, which TT clearly set himself up for made everyone freak the fuck out rofl
On August 16 2015 23:33 radley wrote: If you don't like Scan's issue, you can always not sign up for another tour and stop whining. If there will be 5 players they have to reconsider it. Or at least they will change Single elimination system to double elimination, cause stream would last for less than an hour :D
Btw. if I meet Scan in bracket next time, I'm going to use my 3rd race against him. Everyone should.
On August 16 2015 18:41 trutaCz wrote: Could people saying, "go practice" simply shut up, its being offensive, and confirmes a lack of knowledge about bw...
We have that already in Olympics, hard rules are the most important element of sportsmanship!
For example here, we disqualify everyone, so only one person competes:
Now, I think everyone should just stfu and go practice. Either you practice or you lose, all I can see is a bunch of losers, who don't practice and cry about a better player who dedicated his entire life to starcraft. It is not easy to practice 24/7 for years, so stfu and go do it yourselves. He deserves the 50$ for so much dedication.
I don't think we should allow other koreans to play, as Bisu said it would be disgraceful to take money from amateur events, professionals don't do that. So as long as Scan is amateur and has never been considered a professional by Koreans (which they all say he isn't), he should play.
The same thing goes for lag, if you haven't got lag, practice on lag until you win with lag. You all need to stop crying and go practice. I hope my friend Scan will not be sad reading your comments.
On August 17 2015 00:09 juvenal wrote: To be fair this poll misses the point slightly. Given that we're talking about the game as competitive as BW, the tournament is not all about pleasing or entertaining the viewers but about actually competing and determining the best. I've said this a couple of times but not everyone agrees on it: I think it's not the Scan's strength per se, rather how he got it (being Korean, practicing with progamers, reportedly even reaching the SKTT1 rookie status and so forth, it has been said multiple times). I.e. the community perceives the competition as unfair.
Everyone should realize that pleasing the viewers helps the players and is a big part of any event. You can't simply say "fuck the viewers, it's all about the players" because it's contradictory, if you want more events, more players and more funding, you need the viewers.
On August 17 2015 00:09 juvenal wrote: To be fair this poll misses the point slightly. Given that we're talking about the game as competitive as BW, the tournament is not all about pleasing or entertaining the viewers but about actually competing and determining the best. I've said this a couple of times but not everyone agrees on it: I think it's not the Scan's strength per se, rather how he got it (being Korean, practicing with progamers, reportedly even reaching the SKTT1 rookie status and so forth, it has been said multiple times). I.e. the community perceives the competition as unfair.
Everyone should realize that pleasing the viewers helps the players and is a big part of any event. You can't simply say "fuck the viewers, it's all about the players" because it's contradictory, if you want more events, more players and more funding, you need the viewers.
Do you honestly think this is an entertaining event for the viewers to watch when they already know Scan will win every cup undefeated? He literally has 3-0ed every final, how unbelievably exciting from a viewership standpoint.
On August 16 2015 19:03 trutaCz wrote: You are not funny. Go play vs me 40games in the row i can assure you wont win a single one, then go practice 2month like a sick idiot, and i can assure you, you wont win a single one, bye.
It's funny to me and I disagree judging on how lackluster your early game still is. Go practice.
Insulting TT's skill level here just makes you look dumb. No one can and no one should argue TT's skill or dedication, more so than most foreigners on the skill, more so than all foreigners on the dedication to foreign BW. What you just posted is a disgrace and with all due respect to TT, if you think he's beating Scan in a Bo3 or Bo5 after some practice, then you truly know nothing about Brood War.
I usually don't bother posting my opinion without setting a very solid foundation for it, because it may get interpreted in many different ways, especially within TLC where there are already a considerable amount of butthurt TLers.
I wasn't insulting trutaCz. In fact I respect everyone in the BW community pretty much equally, which is - mind you - a very positive kind of respect. Simply because trutaCz is one of the current top 3 foreigners, doesn't give him any privilege over other TLers in my book. I feel the way he reacted to Artanis is slighty cocky. Above sentence is why I had chosen to call trutaCz' early game lackluster rather than say it could still use some work. (Btw, Imho early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to 'level up'. This is why I never thought highly of Fantasy, because his early game always, read for the longest time, seemed weak to me and seemingly he did not accept that by staying in the game forever when he clearly had already lost.) Further more I think we can all agree that TaekBangLeeSsang have all pretty much touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW. So striving to be the very best, that level of skill should be your desirable goal, right? Now if we compare that skill level to the skill level of any foreigner, one could easily speak of lackluster without meaning disrespect. Please don't put your words into my mouth. I don't believe trutaCz can beat Scan in a bo5, not yet. However I do believe trutaCz has what it takes to beat Scan in a bo3. I don't see this as an impossibility (and I don't really care if anyone thinks I'm dumpnaive because of that). Especially eventhough Scan is very good, he is not TaekBangLeeSsang. I like to think I know a lot about BW since I've been playing it since it's realise on and off, and I've been actively following the scene since the start of 2007.
Note: all of this is simply words to describe my opinion and is subject to interpretation. I never have any intention of insulting a fellow TLer/BW fan. However I do enjoy poking fun at Bisu fanboysgirls. Again this goes without disrespect. Anyone, please feel free to PM me if you want to discuss further matters, as I have no interest into derailing this thread.
On August 17 2015 00:09 juvenal wrote: To be fair this poll misses the point slightly. Given that we're talking about the game as competitive as BW, the tournament is not all about pleasing or entertaining the viewers but about actually competing and determining the best. I've said this a couple of times but not everyone agrees on it: I think it's not the Scan's strength per se, rather how he got it (being Korean, practicing with progamers, reportedly even reaching the SKTT1 rookie status and so forth, it has been said multiple times). I.e. the community perceives the competition as unfair.
Everyone should realize that pleasing the viewers helps the players and is a big part of any event. You can't simply say "fuck the viewers, it's all about the players" because it's contradictory, if you want more events, more players and more funding, you need the viewers.
Do you honestly think this is an entertaining event for the viewers to watch when they already know Scan will win every cup undefeated? He literally has 3-0ed every final, how unbelievably exciting from a viewership standpoint.
I don't. That wasn't the point that I was making, I was simply commenting on people instantly dismissing the viewers.
On August 17 2015 02:44 Peeano wrote: (Btw, Imho early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to 'level up'
This is why I never thought highly of Fantasy, because his early game always, read for the longest time, seemed weak to me
Further more I think we can all agree that TaekBangLeeSsang have all pretty much touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW.
So striving to be the very best, that level of skill should be your desirable goal, right?
Now if we compare that skill level to the skill level of any foreigner, one could easily speak of lackluster without meaning disrespect.
1.Early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to level up? Ok you sound like you have literally 0 idea of what your speaking about, what is your highest ranking in ICCup / PGT / Gamei, etc?
2.So you think because TaekBangLeeSsang "touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW" that us foreigners can potentially reach that level as well, or be able to theoretically beat Scan because TaekBangLeeSsang reached that level? Do you even know what you are talking about at all?
3.Ok and why in the name of all that is holy / logical would you compare foreigners skill level to TaekBangLeeSsang and think they can reach this level in order to beat Scan ( A Korean ) , in a foreign tournament?
The amount / level of wrong in your post is astounding, please go work on your posting abilities if you won't practice in game, because it is extremely lack luster.
On August 17 2015 02:44 Peeano wrote: (Btw, Imho early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to 'level up'
This is why I never thought highly of Fantasy, because his early game always, read for the longest time, seemed weak to me
Further more I think we can all agree that TaekBangLeeSsang have all pretty much touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW.
So striving to be the very best, that level of skill should be your desirable goal, right?
Now if we compare that skill level to the skill level of any foreigner, one could easily speak of lackluster without meaning disrespect.
1.Early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to level up? Ok you sound like you have literally 0 idea of what your speaking about, what is your highest ranking in ICCup / PGT / Gamei, etc?
2.So you think because TaekBangLeeSsang "touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW" that us foreigners can potentially reach that level as well, or be able to theoretically beat Scan because TaekBangLeeSsang reached that level? Do you even know what you are talking about at all?
3.Ok and why in the name of all that is holy / logical would you compare foreigners skill level to TaekBangLeeSsang and think they can reach this level in order to beat Scan ( A Korean ) , in a foreign tournament?
The amount / level of wrong in your post is astounding, please go work on your posting abilities if you won't practice in game, because it is extremely lack luster.
1. I'll add for you: 'taking in consideration you have the basic mechanics such as macro and micro down' . 2. Yes. I said it's desirable to strive for that level. I never said it's obtainable. + Show Spoiler +
I'm a perfectionist, but yea, I do realise perfection is not obtainable, hence I spoke of touching the skill ceiling and not having reached the ceiling.
3. You don't need a higher level than Scan to beat Scan.
'Nice' interpretation of my post btw. Did you read my last paragraph?
On August 17 2015 02:44 Peeano wrote: (Btw, Imho early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to 'level up'
This is why I never thought highly of Fantasy, because his early game always, read for the longest time, seemed weak to me
Further more I think we can all agree that TaekBangLeeSsang have all pretty much touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW.
So striving to be the very best, that level of skill should be your desirable goal, right?
Now if we compare that skill level to the skill level of any foreigner, one could easily speak of lackluster without meaning disrespect.
1.Early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to level up? Ok you sound like you have literally 0 idea of what your speaking about, what is your highest ranking in ICCup / PGT / Gamei, etc?
2.So you think because TaekBangLeeSsang "touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW" that us foreigners can potentially reach that level as well, or be able to theoretically beat Scan because TaekBangLeeSsang reached that level? Do you even know what you are talking about at all?
3.Ok and why in the name of all that is holy / logical would you compare foreigners skill level to TaekBangLeeSsang and think they can reach this level in order to beat Scan ( A Korean ) , in a foreign tournament?
The amount / level of wrong in your post is astounding, please go work on your posting abilities if you won't practice in game, because it is extremely lack luster.
1. I'll add for you: 'taking in consideration you have the basic mechanics such as macro and micro down' . 2. Yes. I said it's desirable to strive for that level. I never said it's obtainable. + Show Spoiler +
I'm a perfectionist, but yea, I do realise perfection is not obtainable, hence I spoke of touching the skill ceiling and not having reached the ceiling.
3. I'm a perfectionist at heart. Also you don't need a higher level than Scan to beat Scan.
'Nice' interpretation of my post btw. Did you read my last paragraph?
How is it going in terms of perfecting your own brood war skills?
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