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Falling
Canada11564 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7002 Posts
On August 16 2015 23:07 Peeano wrote: It's funny to me and I disagree judging on how lackluster your early game still is. Go practice. What are you getting from it exactly ? I cant just believe u re doing it for the lulz so plz tell me what type of acomplishement you getting from this type of comment,cuz it is making you like a total ignorant. | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On August 16 2015 23:07 Peeano wrote: It's funny to me and I disagree judging on how lackluster your early game still is. Go practice. on a rather more serious note: Could you please make a thorough in-depth analysis of trutaCz tournament early game? Could you break it up for each match up for us please? How many games is the game sample we are speaking speak of? Do we talk just the TLC or defiler tournaments, TLS, ISL's participations? Oh wait... is it just tournament games or ladder games that were being observed from trutaCz's reppacks and/or stream when he was laddering Fish to get as best ranking as he could? What is your working defition for 'early game' for each match up? Could you please elaborate on the defition of 'lackluckster' too? Also last, but not least, could you please be more specific about 'Go practice' - could you please propose a schedule for trutaCz BW and non-BW activities' regime? If I don't receive satisfying answers, will I be wrong in reporting your comment as a personal attack/insult? | ||
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radley
Poland582 Posts
Btw. if I meet Scan in bracket next time, I'm going to use my 3rd race against him. Everyone should. | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On August 16 2015 09:25 amazingxkcd wrote: Or you guys can stop being bitches and just practice, but that's none of my concern on a rather more serious note I have some questions here too: What is your working defition for a 'bitch' here? Could you please make a list of the people you refer to as bitches here? For example: am I worthy enough to be into your bitchlist? Also, could you please be more specific about 'just practice'? Can I know what is the meaning of that? Should all bitches from your bitchlist go and do the same type and amount of practice? Could I know what kind of daily schedule for the bitches you have in mind in order to "just practice"? Why should they do that? If I don't receive satisfying answers, will I be wrong in reporting your comment as a community (or personal, if the bitchlist is not as long as I think it is) attack/insult? | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On August 16 2015 22:24 BulgarianToss wrote: Here is a poll for the viewers: Poll: Is Scan's participation bringing entertainment to the viewer? Yes, i'm lovin' it (3) There are some good games (6) Feels kind of boring and one-sided (6) No, it's a predictable stomp fest (30) 45 total votes Your vote: Is Scan's participation bringing entertainment to the viewer? (Vote): Yes, i'm lovin' it Very nice poll, Wallace. The question is fairly open to various interpretations for my imaginative mind. Could you please add the option 'Yes, I like it, because of reasons' ? This way I can vote 'Yes, I like it,' because I am interested in seeing how incompetent and disrespectful the Elite TL organizers could get towards players in thread by thread. Thus I could somewhat confirm something I stated in the previous thread: The problem is that the Elite TL BW organizers are either not competent enough to know stuff or cannot maintain a D or above rank at iccup or both. Losing my respect for TL BW events slowly but surely day by day. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7002 Posts
On August 16 2015 23:52 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Very nice poll, Wallace. The question is fairly open to various interpretations for my imaginative mind. Could you please add the option 'Yes, I like it, because of reasons' ? This way I can vote 'Yes, I like it,' because I am interested in seeing how incompetent and disrespectful the Elite TL organizers could get towards players in thread by thread. Thus I could somewhat confirm something I stated in the previous thread: The problem is that the Elite TL BW organizers are either not competent enough to know stuff or cannot maintain a D or above rank at iccup or both. Losing my respect for TL BW events slowly but surely day by day. i love how they answer go practise  ahahahaa,is funny and sad at the same time -.- | ||
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juvenal
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On August 17 2015 00:09 juvenal wrote: To be fair this poll misses the point slightly. Given that we're talking about the game as competitive as BW, the tournament is not all about pleasing or entertaining the viewers but about actually competing and determining the best. I've said this a couple of times but not everyone agrees on it: I think it's not the Scan's strength per se, rather how he got it (being Korean, practicing with progamers, reportedly even reaching the SKTT1 rookie status and so forth, it has been said multiple times). I.e. the community perceives the competition as unfair. The organisers say "fock the players" you say "fock the viewers" with only person that benefits from the situation is Scan and seeing how much unhappy people there are, these tournaments are looking not good. I dont see any positive comments or any hype from other than the organisers themselves. The poll is important, coz viewers are important. I did skipped the finals entirely, since i know il watch bad games i get to the other room and made something to eat. How funny is for a viewer to want to skip finals to a tournament that he is watching? Or suggestions from other people like "dont cast scans games", so the cast will end before finals lol. | ||
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juvenal
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
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DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
I like how this joking comment by Artanis, which TT clearly set himself up for made everyone freak the fuck out rofl On August 16 2015 23:33 radley wrote: If you don't like Scan's issue, you can always not sign up for another tour and stop whining. If there will be 5 players they have to reconsider it. Or at least they will change Single elimination system to double elimination, cause stream would last for less than an hour :D Btw. if I meet Scan in bracket next time, I'm going to use my 3rd race against him. Everyone should.  | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On August 17 2015 01:07 DarkNetHunter wrote: wow everyone is getting their panties in a bunch. I like how this joking comment by Artanis, which TT clearly set himself up for made everyone freak the fuck out rofl Artanis' comment was obvious joke/troll. Peeano's wasn't | ||
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13Julia
Canada231 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + We have that already in Olympics, hard rules are the most important element of sportsmanship! For example here, we disqualify everyone, so only one person competes: Now, I think everyone should just stfu and go practice. Either you practice or you lose, all I can see is a bunch of losers, who don't practice and cry about a better player who dedicated his entire life to starcraft. It is not easy to practice 24/7 for years, so stfu and go do it yourselves. He deserves the 50$ for so much dedication. I don't think we should allow other koreans to play, as Bisu said it would be disgraceful to take money from amateur events, professionals don't do that. So as long as Scan is amateur and has never been considered a professional by Koreans (which they all say he isn't), he should play. The same thing goes for lag, if you haven't got lag, practice on lag until you win with lag. You all need to stop crying and go practice. I hope my friend Scan will not be sad reading your comments. LEAVE SCAN ALONE !!!!~~~11112 | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 17 2015 00:09 juvenal wrote: To be fair this poll misses the point slightly. Given that we're talking about the game as competitive as BW, the tournament is not all about pleasing or entertaining the viewers but about actually competing and determining the best. I've said this a couple of times but not everyone agrees on it: I think it's not the Scan's strength per se, rather how he got it (being Korean, practicing with progamers, reportedly even reaching the SKTT1 rookie status and so forth, it has been said multiple times). I.e. the community perceives the competition as unfair. Everyone should realize that pleasing the viewers helps the players and is a big part of any event. You can't simply say "fuck the viewers, it's all about the players" because it's contradictory, if you want more events, more players and more funding, you need the viewers. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10760 Posts
On August 17 2015 01:49 Eywa- wrote: Everyone should realize that pleasing the viewers helps the players and is a big part of any event. You can't simply say "fuck the viewers, it's all about the players" because it's contradictory, if you want more events, more players and more funding, you need the viewers. Do you honestly think this is an entertaining event for the viewers to watch when they already know Scan will win every cup undefeated? He literally has 3-0ed every final, how unbelievably exciting from a viewership standpoint. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5631 Posts
On August 16 2015 23:22 Eywa- wrote: Insulting TT's skill level here just makes you look dumb. No one can and no one should argue TT's skill or dedication, more so than most foreigners on the skill, more so than all foreigners on the dedication to foreign BW. What you just posted is a disgrace and with all due respect to TT, if you think he's beating Scan in a Bo3 or Bo5 after some practice, then you truly know nothing about Brood War. I usually don't bother posting my opinion without setting a very solid foundation for it, because it may get interpreted in many different ways, especially within TLC where there are already a considerable amount of butthurt TLers. I wasn't insulting trutaCz. In fact I respect everyone in the BW community pretty much equally, which is - mind you - a very positive kind of respect. Simply because trutaCz is one of the current top 3 foreigners, doesn't give him any privilege over other TLers in my book. I feel the way he reacted to Artanis is slighty cocky. Above sentence is why I had chosen to call trutaCz' early game lackluster rather than say it could still use some work. (Btw, Imho early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to 'level up'. This is why I never thought highly of Fantasy, because his early game always, read for the longest time, seemed weak to me and seemingly he did not accept that by staying in the game forever when he clearly had already lost.) Further more I think we can all agree that TaekBangLeeSsang have all pretty much touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW. So striving to be the very best, that level of skill should be your desirable goal, right? Now if we compare that skill level to the skill level of any foreigner, one could easily speak of lackluster without meaning disrespect. Please don't put your words into my mouth. I don't believe trutaCz can beat Scan in a bo5, not yet. However I do believe trutaCz has what it takes to beat Scan in a bo3. I don't see this as an impossibility (and I don't really care if anyone thinks I'm I like to think I know a lot about BW since I've been playing it since it's realise on and off, and I've been actively following the scene since the start of 2007. Note: all of this is simply words to describe my opinion and is subject to interpretation. I never have any intention of insulting a fellow TLer/BW fan. However I do enjoy poking fun at Bisu fan | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 17 2015 02:39 GGzerG wrote: Do you honestly think this is an entertaining event for the viewers to watch when they already know Scan will win every cup undefeated? He literally has 3-0ed every final, how unbelievably exciting from a viewership standpoint. I don't. That wasn't the point that I was making, I was simply commenting on people instantly dismissing the viewers. I completely agree with you. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10760 Posts
On August 17 2015 02:44 Peeano wrote: (Btw, Imho early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to 'level up' This is why I never thought highly of Fantasy, because his early game always, read for the longest time, seemed weak to me Further more I think we can all agree that TaekBangLeeSsang have all pretty much touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW. So striving to be the very best, that level of skill should be your desirable goal, right? Now if we compare that skill level to the skill level of any foreigner, one could easily speak of lackluster without meaning disrespect. 1.Early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to level up? Ok you sound like you have literally 0 idea of what your speaking about, what is your highest ranking in ICCup / PGT / Gamei, etc? 2.So you think because TaekBangLeeSsang "touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW" that us foreigners can potentially reach that level as well, or be able to theoretically beat Scan because TaekBangLeeSsang reached that level? Do you even know what you are talking about at all? 3.Ok and why in the name of all that is holy / logical would you compare foreigners skill level to TaekBangLeeSsang and think they can reach this level in order to beat Scan ( A Korean ) , in a foreign tournament? The amount / level of wrong in your post is astounding, please go work on your posting abilities if you won't practice in game, because it is extremely lack luster. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5631 Posts
On August 17 2015 02:53 GGzerG wrote: 1.Early game is the most important aspect of BW if you want to level up? Ok you sound like you have literally 0 idea of what your speaking about, what is your highest ranking in ICCup / PGT / Gamei, etc? 2.So you think because TaekBangLeeSsang "touched the skill ceiling in terms of what is humanly possible in BW" that us foreigners can potentially reach that level as well, or be able to theoretically beat Scan because TaekBangLeeSsang reached that level? Do you even know what you are talking about at all? 3.Ok and why in the name of all that is holy / logical would you compare foreigners skill level to TaekBangLeeSsang and think they can reach this level in order to beat Scan ( A Korean ) , in a foreign tournament? The amount / level of wrong in your post is astounding, please go work on your posting abilities if you won't practice in game, because it is extremely lack luster. 1. I'll add for you: 'taking in consideration you have the basic mechanics such as macro and micro down' . 2. Yes. I said it's desirable to strive for that level. I never said it's obtainable. + Show Spoiler + I'm a perfectionist, but yea, I do realise perfection is not obtainable, hence I spoke of touching the skill ceiling and not having reached the ceiling. 3. You don't need a higher level than Scan to beat Scan. 'Nice' interpretation of my post btw. Did you read my last paragraph? | ||
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