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9p vs 14 cc,and sometimes a macro game where scan suicide his first push :D ya x30 ya 50 loss you're wrong again.
stratos study this game i really like this damage that can not be f...........ck. ya eon right while scan speak korea (live korean)
and can practice fish(NoLaG we all time high LAT so scan can speak korean pro canplayKoreanpro More like me(he dodge more (lag).
and bw=korean '''while im training and discussing strategies with cryoc lancerx and fenito,scan is training with zero and progamers'''' . And while korean play 15 hours one day continue?..Where is the equality? so how i make new bw legenda?
'''It's still a more thrilling prospect'''' great Chance(omg) What will you give for it? man while korean played 100thousand game
foreign 20thousand, but i go student how can call jaedong to me and i send working and im playing bw. ya but i need first student korean ok np take 2 3 mounht me english already high level.
and other time scan destroyed bw not build. now ya restrain yourself.
and stop f.cki said student! can you beat him? f....ck ok ? and stop ban or no then 2pac and sponsor decide.
yeah one more thing when i dont remember perfectly here korean tour ur mr stratos said only (sorry u no sziky and not agre any email if korean can provide an opportunity for me or other foreign play kor tournament we why add? ya its bad korean have 500thousand dollar one year we have 3000 dollar share with Koreans sure stratos go eat kimchi im not like u :D)
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yes stratos go eat kimchi !!!
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On July 21 2015 19:21 sas.Sziky wrote:
9p vs 14 cc,and sometimes a macro game where scan suicide his first push :D ya x30 ya 50 loss you're wrong again.
stratos study this game i really like this damage that can not be f...........ck. ya eon right while scan speak korea (live korean)
and can practice fish(NoLaG we all time high LAT so scan can speak korean pro canplayKoreanpro More like me(he dodge more (lag).
and bw=korean '''while im training and discussing strategies with cryoc lancerx and fenito,scan is training with zero and progamers'''' . And while korean play 15 hours one day continue?..Where is the equality? so how i make new bw legenda?
'''It's still a more thrilling prospect'''' great Chance(omg) What will you give for it? man while korean played 100thousand game
foreign 20thousand, but i go student how can call jaedong to me and i send working and im playing bw. ya but i need first student korean ok np take 2 3 mounht me english already high level.
and other time scan destroyed bw not build. now ya restrain yourself.
and stop f.cki said student! can you beat him? f....ck ok ? and stop ban or no then 2pac and sponsor decide.
yeah one more thing when i dont remember perfectly here korean tour ur mr stratos said only (sorry u no sziky and not agre any email if korean can provide an opportunity for me or other foreign play kor tournament we why add? ya its bad korean have 500thousand dollar one year we have 3000 dollar share with Koreans sure stratos go eat kimchi im not like u :D)
I rarely can understand his words... someone rephrase this?
I'll just pick up some words that he's talking about.
Even if I am not in Korea, I still don't lag with Koreans in the U.S..
Also, you have mentioned 15 hours a day and equality. Do you really think that every single Korean live like that? You are not the only person super busy in life.
It's just you that you did not manage your time well to practice.
I have my own life, busy with school classes. I even take summer course classes which are 2 times faster than regular courses while I am in Korea.
I rarely play games without stream on because I would like to perform great games and talk with the viewers. If you have been following me when I stream, sometimes I don't stream for days.
Speaking of Koreans play 15 hours a day (you said it), what about Mong? What about Movie, HyuK, HiyA, Piano, and more?
They do other jobs beside playing games.
Mong runs snack business. Hyuk runs PC bang. HiyA and other streamers advertise gaming PCs. Movie runs cellphone business.
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Croatia9530 Posts
On July 21 2015 11:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Question about the casting setup. is it a 4 way caste, two seperate streams, a rotating schedule or just hey whichever 4 of these are avialable?
The casting team will rotate based on their availability. The only fixture will be Sayle as long as he's available. We might do both two and three way casts to keep it interesting.
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''I rarely can understand his words... someone rephrase this?''
why do you answer? if not understand
u can write any whos have what but i see fish how many games played any (know accounts ladder) ya mong bad movie too hyuk where? hiya when actic 1 years ago said larva bisu effort hero. and u no said more pls u 'busy' now may but i remember when u have 100 accounts fish 1v1 2v2 iccup 1v1 2v2 play man. and someone said how many games u one day.
what about mong i about this is x10 played games compared to me.
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On July 21 2015 20:04 sas.Sziky wrote:
''I rarely can understand his words... someone rephrase this?''
why do you answer? if not understand
u can write any whos have what but i see fish how many games played any (know accounts ladder) ya mong bad movie too hyuk where? hiya when actic 1 years ago said larva bisu effort hero. and u no said more pls u 'busy' now may but i remember when u have 100 accounts fish 1v1 2v2 iccup 1v1 2v2 play man. and someone said how many games u one day.
what about mong i about this is x10 played games compared to me.
Now you are speaking with more unmannered tone. Please work on your English. I only picked some words and talked about it.
Instead of pushing me towards "you have 100 accs in fish and iccup," bring some evidence. I don't have 100 accounts. Bisu is in Kongdoo Company. I do not know what they do, but I am sure bisu has a job in their company. Ssak is also advertising PCs for sure. I can look it up.
Speaking of English, I am not asking you to have a perfect English. At least you should know how to deliver your thoughts to people.
In addition, why are you talking with that tone to me now?
you act normal(kind tone) when you wanted to register to play C-OSL. Even if you acted the same as now when you wanted to participate C-OSL, I wouldn't act dirty not to accept you.
I do not mind if you hate me or not, but you need to work on communication skill.
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I am more than happy to play against gosu players from korea and anywhere else in no/slight lag on low latency. If nowadays most koreans indeed have close to no lag with Europe for instance- allow them all to join the tournament/series. Just please don't name it a "foreigner" tournament because it will certainly be not a foreigner tournament while having korean/s in it.
However, i think that the connection will not be good enough, and allowing all koreans will create two problems: many and various connection/lag issues + opening the gate wide for korean flagged* abusing/cheating of all kind.
*please note that korean flagged does not necessarily mean that a korean is doing it
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Jesus, I know you guys don't like all of the top players complaining that they can't beat Scan, but trying to convince everyone that they can and they're just cowards makes it worse. I'll give you guys 1:1 odds with me betting for Scan to win the entire event ~ barring anyone paying him off... I bet none of you will take it. You probably aren't willing to do 2:1 odds, if that's the case... You shouldn't be arguing anything based on skill or saying anything about how the other players are scared and just need practice and "man up". Any practice most foreigners can get, Scan can get more and in better quality. On top of that, the starting level is not even comparable.
The rules of the tournament are set by the organizers, and you can argue Scan both ways based on his nationality, you can argue it both ways based on his past and you can argue it both ways for what actually benefits the scene... In the end, I do think letting Scan play is the more respectable decision, it's tough to say if it's the better decision for the scene in general ~ I don't think anyone can confirm either way.
Every organization makes mistakes, every organization makes good decisions which fans/players consider to be mistakes and every organization makes bad decisions which are largely considered good by fans/players.
~ This is just fan opinion, but I guess my initial thought going into this post was just to say that everyone should look at how their posting contributes to the drama as opposed to just pointing at the players making drama over the issue.
I sympathize with the players, and the organization.
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On July 21 2015 19:46 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 19:21 sas.Sziky wrote:
9p vs 14 cc,and sometimes a macro game where scan suicide his first push :D ya x30 ya 50 loss you're wrong again.
stratos study this game i really like this damage that can not be f...........ck. ya eon right while scan speak korea (live korean)
and can practice fish(NoLaG we all time high LAT so scan can speak korean pro canplayKoreanpro More like me(he dodge more (lag).
and bw=korean '''while im training and discussing strategies with cryoc lancerx and fenito,scan is training with zero and progamers'''' . And while korean play 15 hours one day continue?..Where is the equality? so how i make new bw legenda?
'''It's still a more thrilling prospect'''' great Chance(omg) What will you give for it? man while korean played 100thousand game
foreign 20thousand, but i go student how can call jaedong to me and i send working and im playing bw. ya but i need first student korean ok np take 2 3 mounht me english already high level.
and other time scan destroyed bw not build. now ya restrain yourself.
and stop f.cki said student! can you beat him? f....ck ok ? and stop ban or no then 2pac and sponsor decide.
yeah one more thing when i dont remember perfectly here korean tour ur mr stratos said only (sorry u no sziky and not agre any email if korean can provide an opportunity for me or other foreign play kor tournament we why add? ya its bad korean have 500thousand dollar one year we have 3000 dollar share with Koreans sure stratos go eat kimchi im not like u :D)
I rarely can understand his words... someone rephrase this?I'll just pick up some words that he's talking about. Even if I am not in Korea, I still don't lag with Koreans in the U.S.. Also, you have mentioned 15 hours a day and equality. Do you really think that every single Korean live like that? You are not the only person super busy in life. It's just you that you did not manage your time well to practice. I have my own life, busy with school classes. I even take summer course classes which are 2 times faster than regular courses while I am in Korea. I rarely play games without stream on because I would like to perform great games and talk with the viewers. If you have been following me when I stream, sometimes I don't stream for days. Speaking of Koreans play 15 hours a day (you said it), what about Mong? What about Movie, HyuK, HiyA, Piano, and more? They do other jobs beside playing games. Mong runs snack business. Hyuk runs PC bang. HiyA and other streamers advertise gaming PCs. Movie runs cellphone business.
Wallace to the rescue! So basically what Sziky is trying to say is - Scan is Korean, part of the Korean scene, has always been and he has key advantages compared to us "foreigners". Mainly because Scan knows the language which the Korean pro's speak and he actually has Korean IP and internet connection and is able to practice a ton of games with them without any real problem. Also Scan is part of the Korean culture and has no problem getting accepted inside of it. Meanwhile as many of the foreigners have experienced this playing on fish, we are usually getting banned, trash talked and treated as a lower class players by the Korean scene(pros included) because we don't know the Korean language and have "worse" internet connection than the Koreans and in some cases we are no different than "yankees" to them  (please don't take that as a generalisation, just pointing out some problems we have all faced on fish).
So what Sziky is trying to say and is actually 100% accurate about is - Scan is as legitimate participant of the Korean scene as all of the Korean professional players, he grew up with that scene, he was 100% adapted to it and has never been considered a foreigner by the scene itself.
As of the determination to play the games hours/day etc etc, it is clear for all of us that Koreans work much harder than us and it is the main reason why Starcraft has reached the level it has throughout the years. Without Korea, Starcraft would've never had the pro scene we know and admire today. Probably none of us would've been playing the game still nowadays. Scan grew up inside of this scene and i don't want to take away anything from him and his achievements, but he will never be a foreigner in the sense we were and still are. So i personally think Sziky is right about this and he is the person that knows best how things are on the fish server. Also i think Sziky was talking about the lag and latency issues during games in fish, for foreigners its almost impossible to play on low lat without lag, not to mention that on high/extra high there are usually still problems, but it is more bearable. That can also lead to less games, less chances to play with top Korean players. It is another thing to keep in mind in terms of practice. This is my take on Sziky's thoughts  .
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First and foremost, kimchi is delicious and healthy and you should all get your daily dose.
Second, I was merely voicing my concerns as a fan of foreign BW, trying to motivate the players to try their best no matter what. Is it all about first place and the money? Isn't it also about much more? If you're convinced Scan is unbeatable, does that mean there's little reason to practise? Would you just go into the game with him, type gg and leave, or would you try to at least make it hard on him, put on a nice show for the fans and learn from the experience?
If it's not worth it for you guys, then as your fan I'm somewhat troubled about the future of foreign BW. What happens when guys like Rus_Brain are not around anymore? If this league ends up being a one-man show because all the top players said 'meh', then it'll be a real shame.
One of the things often brought up is the lack of Koreans to talk strategy and practise with. So why not let some helpful Korean players like Scan into our communities? Isn't that a possible way forward, this being the first big step? We're losing talented players left and right as they get busy with their lives and fresh players are few and far between. At this rate I feel like we'll be soon moving backwards. Will foreign BW just slowly fade into the abyss?
Of course I'm not trying to demand, order or judge anyone. To sum up my message in a single sentence: If you're a top foreigner and you're not going to practise as hard as you would or even participate in this starleague for whatever reason, then that makes me sad and I hope you can find whatever reasons necessary to reconsider.
As always this league will only be what y'all make it.
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Would you just go into the game with him, type gg and leave, or would you try to at least make it hard on him, put on a nice show for the fans and learn from the experience?
many times i also think to do this,well lets just give wo wathever,then join in the game cuz the viewers and at the end get destroyed like some A- vs C and feel more terrible.but i guess is something that only us can feel maybe ? cuz no offense to any but people defending speaking here doesnt looks like skill players,otherwise the thing would have been different.Rus_Brain knows a bit and propose that scan start the games with one loss,no sure if he was kidding or no but atleast looks more interesting,and even that it just will motivated him to train hard with his pros friends and us to prepare some cheap rushes with comrades of our same lvl.
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Russian Federation1894 Posts
On July 21 2015 05:45 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
In the end Rus_brain is the king and he can have large influence over the decision at least for the first 1-2 cups. Imho: allow all koreans to play or make it a true foreigner event/series.
I don't interfere
BW 20th anniversary soon, so I still have a job to do.
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(kind tone) what u said? '''hi i no have skype
i want play, if can
but here few question: this server same latency than fish? i ask because lag
and when play?'''
weekend play only or may weekdays? '''
what did you expect? hi f....ck you?. now what kind tone? ---- why do you answer? if not understand. or 100 accounts? u still a kid . especially that you do not understand the analogy never. and never respect little unless of the interests.
You always said me english bad no need tell again. and dont said what i need work(comunications skill).
and I did not want you ban (although it would be fair somewhere if u play) ............just I told the facts only........
glhf
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As a small aside from the highly entertaining back and forth,
How about setting up Scan as a final boss in the next TLS similar to how we had Sea, except that its much entertaining to see Sziky actually take games off Scan than have to deal with Seas impossible level.
The fans win cause everyone actually does want to see how good everyone else will do vs Scan.
The other top foreign players win because they can play a tournament without feeling cheated if they run into scan in the bracket.
Scan wins because he can still get a special prize pool and play vs the best players in the tourney with less time consumption.
just my two cents.
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On July 22 2015 05:59 sas.Sziky wrote:
(kind tone) what u said? '''hi i no have skype
i want play, if can
but here few question: this server same latency than fish? i ask because lag
and when play?'''
weekend play only or may weekdays? '''
what did you expect? hi f....ck you?. now what kind tone? ---- why do you answer? if not understand. or 100 accounts? u still a kid . especially that you do not understand the analogy never. and never respect little unless of the interests.
You always said me english bad no need tell again. and dont said what i need work(comunications skill).
and I did not want you ban (although it would be fair somewhere if u play) ............just I told the facts only........
glhf
You are simply just being biased and even more racist.
Keep up that attitude. I've changed through times, but looks like you did not. Talking about age, is Hungary classified society? If so, stop acting like that in this arguments.
You really do not know how to use facts. Probably have not written essays much, right?
Not here to brag who's better, and who's not better, but hey, listen.
I've gone through shitload of visa and non-immigrant issues all of the time to study and stay in the U.S.. Even through phone call speaking in English that I really do not like. To prove, you must have evidence. What I see from your words, you just throwing random shit to people that what I've done.
Sure, I'll respect your right, I'll not say or give you an advice, and I will not help you in the future.
Speaking of latency and lag problem between KR and HU, that is not my fault. Try finding a new way to fix it such as having a new and better Internet. Players like Flisk, eOnzErG, trutacz, and probably more out there play in fish. Ask their help. I played against flisk yesterday, the game did not lag. Also trutacz did not lag with me. Even in 2v2 in iccup. I do understand the fact that there are some players lag with you. Then avoid them.
By the way, we are both grown up men. I am not a kid anymore or that kind of kid as you've been thinking in your mind. You still have not provided evidence where I have 100 accounts. You said you heard it from someone, right? It will be a fact when you credit that person because that person said it. However, can that person prove it? I'm sure he cannot. So the statement is still an opinion.
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On July 22 2015 07:49 DarkNetHunter wrote:
As a small aside from the highly entertaining back and forth,
How about setting up Scan as a final boss in the next TLS similar to how we had Sea, except that its much entertaining to see Sziky actually take games off Scan than have to deal with Seas impossible level.
The fans win cause everyone actually does want to see how good everyone else will do vs Scan.
The other top foreign players win because they can play a tournament without feeling cheated if they run into scan in the bracket.
Scan wins because he can still get a special prize pool and play vs the best players in the tourney with less time consumption.
just my two cents.
took that right out of the ICCUP Skype Group when i was talking to Cele
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On July 22 2015 08:33 art_of_turtle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2015 07:49 DarkNetHunter wrote:
As a small aside from the highly entertaining back and forth,
How about setting up Scan as a final boss in the next TLS similar to how we had Sea, except that its much entertaining to see Sziky actually take games off Scan than have to deal with Seas impossible level.
The fans win cause everyone actually does want to see how good everyone else will do vs Scan.
The other top foreign players win because they can play a tournament without feeling cheated if they run into scan in the bracket.
Scan wins because he can still get a special prize pool and play vs the best players in the tourney with less time consumption.
just my two cents.
took that right out of the ICCUP Skype Group when i was talking to Cele
your idea was basically the same yes. Im still no huge fan of it, but oh well (;
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TLADT24920 Posts
Guys, while I think it's great that you are trying to reach an understanding, please, let's try to stay civil. Nothing wrong with arguing so long as neither individual is hurling any kind of insult at the other
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On July 22 2015 08:57 BigFan wrote:Guys, while I think it's great that you are trying to reach an understanding, please, let's try to stay civil. Nothing wrong with arguing so long as neither individual is hurling any kind of insult at the other
i think we are a bit past that given the above statements.
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