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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
TL administration has made a decision and will stick to it. They put in a lot of hard work to make this tournament possible. Show some respect and accept their decision and move on, either play or don't. The tournament admins are not going to change the rules regarding scan because of this shitstorm, so there is actually no point to his drama at all, but for the sake of the drama itself. Of course arguments about this topic can be exchanged in a civil manner, but we are way past this point. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19379 Posts
On July 22 2015 23:56 Cele wrote: This thread is becoming very depressing. TL administration has made a decision and will stick to it. They put in a lot of hard work to make this tournament possible. Show some respect and accept their decision and move on, either play or don't. The tournament admins are not going to change the rules regarding scan because of this shitstorm, so there is actually no point to his drama at all, but for the sake of the drama itself. Of course arguments about this topic can be exchanged in a civil manner, but we are way past this point. Yup. Trying to bully Scan out of this tournament is just flat out depressing. Both sides need to stop nit picking at what each other is saying. If you guys keep this up I'm going to have KadaverBB start bringing some of his yoshi hammer love into this thread. | ||
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13Julia
Canada231 Posts
Who is eligible to play in the TLC? TeamLiquid Legacy Cup series was organized to strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene (read non-Korean/Chinese). Additionally, the purpose of this series of tournaments is to foster a practicing environment in preparation of TLS Championship. As such, the people eligible to play in these tournaments is everyone outside Korea and China. He is Korean. Lives in Korea. Plays 90% of games on Korean servers. Yet he is an 'edge-case'. -> Don't make rules which you don't follow yourself. Simply call it foreginers + scan tournament. + Show Spoiler + Wait, if you allow one korean who plays 24/7, and ban other koreans from the tour, isn't this simply fixing the tour? | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9547 Posts
On July 23 2015 00:40 13Julia wrote: He is Korean. Lives in Korea. Plays 90% of games on Korean servers. Yet he is an 'edge-case'. -> Don't make rules which you don't follow yourself. Simply call it foreginers + scan tournament. + Show Spoiler + Wait, if you allow one korean who plays 24/7, and ban other koreans from the tour, isn't this simply fixing the tour? He has been part of the foreign community for years; I have no idea why everyone keeps ignoring that. Regardless, would you then be ok with him playing in couple of months when he comes back to US? | ||
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria495 Posts
On July 23 2015 00:40 13Julia wrote: He is Korean. Lives in Korea. Plays 90% of games on Korean servers. Yet he is an 'edge-case'. -> Don't make rules which you don't follow yourself. Simply call it foreginers + scan tournament. + Show Spoiler + Wait, if you allow one korean who plays 24/7, and ban other koreans from the tour, isn't this simply fixing the tour? I'm sorry to say this, but Olympic Zerg is right. We are going to get our asses kicked by the only Korean in the tour that is the closest to semi-pro player there has ever been in the Korean scene. That is 0 chance to fight for first place ;( | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9547 Posts
On July 23 2015 00:50 BulgarianToss wrote: I'm sorry to say this, but Olympic Zerg is right. We are going to get our asses kicked by the only Korean in the tour that is the closest to semi-pro player there has ever been in the Korean scene. That is 0 chance to fight for first place ;( What is the difference between getting your asses kicked by Korean or by Hungarian like it happened in TLS1/2/3? Why it has to be their fault that foreigners suck while they practiced a lot and got better? | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12047 Posts
On July 22 2015 12:34 BisuDagger wrote: 5 years we have struggled since SC2 release. Brood war staff and brood war casters work many hours behind the scenes and live for all of you. There is no prize money at the end for what we do. Yet we pour hours upon hours for half a decade into maintaining a community. We also spent these past 4-6 months planning out something amazing. We will sacrifice weekends for hosting this tournament. Weekdays covering and hyping the ones to follow. Yet you guys complain about something small like this? One player will make you so bitter while no one considers the effort non players must put forward to even make this happen. What if we gave up after all these years? We didn't! And now it's your turn to buck up and play the best damn game out there. It's not about money, it's about playing your best game. Please sign up, practice, and enjoy this because that is the greatest gift you can give us after all these years. I understand this Scan business is dumb and I think he should be able to play anyways, but I think you should be happy that your tournament has so much hype surrounding it even without the scan business. It seems you're sort of peeved people have a problem with what you're doing, but you guys are the TOs and you've said Scan can play so if people want to complain let them. Be happy that you even have the amount of people interested to play in the first place! | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12047 Posts
On July 23 2015 01:08 BigFan wrote: Qikz, even though the wording is iffy, I'm pretty sure that BD meant to include you and anyone else doing anything for the community under those titles in his post. I'm gonna remove the vast majority of it, doesn't really seem necessary.Although I will keep this line: "It'd be nice if TL could more to promote smaller tournaments not created by the official "BW Team" through a weekly news post or something as it'd help give those other tournaments a boost in interest." | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19379 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19379 Posts
On July 23 2015 01:08 BigFan wrote: Qikz, even though the wording is iffy, I'm pretty sure that BD meant to include you and anyone else doing anything for the community under those titles in his post. Much better put then my angry response to that lol. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19379 Posts
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
Scan does not lag even if he is in Korea. Even if Scan is korean i dont care, it would be even better when more D-C-B koreans players participate. Some of you guys are talking like you ever had a chance to win TLS, Sziky showed, so guys please... | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12047 Posts
On July 23 2015 01:19 BisuDagger wrote: Much better put then my angry response to that lol. Yeah sorry I kinda didn't think that post through too much. My bad. | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On July 23 2015 01:21 trutaCz wrote: People cry about Scan that he is allowed to participate in this tournament. He is a part of active users in Defiler Tours for many years, and no one had problems with it, ever. It looks mainly like people desperately want to win any money in video game, i recommend go to the job if you play video game for money. Nobody was crying about Sziky though he is still unbeatable for foreigners when he practices, now Scan joins the league and everyone starts to cry Scan does not lag. There are users who played even more games or +/- the same amount on FISH, when Scan was practicing hard there, and WE are still not close to him.If you are just afraid of him, do not participate. Scan does not lag even if he is in Korea. Even if Scan is korean i dont care, it would be even better when more D-C-B koreans players participate. Some of you guys are talking like you ever had a chance to win TLS, Sziky showed, so guys please... how about invite Bisu and apply your logic? The koreans/non-koreans separation is somewhat stupid to begin with, but if you decided to play by the rules, well, do it. Scan is korean: his iccup stats are ridiculous, he's playing regularly with active progamers, he's even ethnically korean, it doesn't get any closer. | ||
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria495 Posts
On July 23 2015 01:21 trutaCz wrote: People cry about Scan that he is allowed to participate in this tournament. He is a part of active users in Defiler Tours for many years, and no one had problems with it, ever. It looks mainly like people desperately want to win any money in video game, i recommend go to the job if you play video game for money. Nobody was crying about Sziky though he is still unbeatable for foreigners when he practices, now Scan joins the league and everyone starts to cry Scan does not lag. There are users who played even more games or +/- the same amount on FISH, when Scan was practicing hard there, and WE are still not close to him.If you are just afraid of him, do not participate. Scan does not lag even if he is in Korea. Even if Scan is korean i dont care, it would be even better when more D-C-B koreans players participate. Some of you guys are talking like you ever had a chance to win TLS, Sziky showed, so guys please... Well Sziky did manage sweeping victories over you and Michael, but his final with TechnicS in TLS2 was far from one-sided. I like how people here totally ignore that fact. | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Everyone should read his comment carefully imo. BisuDagger, something small as this? If you demand foreigners to take up the challenge and work their ways, consider this challenge for you guys: if you allow a korean, allow all koreans to play, go over fish (preferably with Scan), find chogosu/pro koreans and invite those that have good kor-eu/americas connection and let them play too. I am not even convinced scan has this good of a connection but lets assume he does have it. But please take out the phrase "cups for foreigners" to something else. You could go and negotiate movie, firebathero, sea, nada and some not as known korean chogosus with good connection by telling them the purpose is to support and hopefully revive the foreigner bw scene for a good amount of time. Why give 1 time opportunities to play korean chogosus to winners of 3-4 month long tournaments when you can involve many more and make them pretty available to play to anyone that decides to play in the World BW Brain Cups? I would more than frickin' happilly accept to play not as known korean chogosus with good connection and I will happily accept lag on extra high latency a la bw-in-2003 vs pros/legends. If you accept this challenge. I could try to negotiate ChRh to come and join the cups for example. If koreans are allowed, why don't you actually allow all koreans to play in it? (not a rhetorical question, I will try to follow if I get some sort of an answer for this by organizers in the comments here) G5's post is so off I don't know where to start from. Does anyone imagine Scan being allowed now after this discussion in order to be later banned for a slight to moderate lag on high latency? To you as a protoss, I don't know what you consider "lag like crazy", but to the good zerg foreigner, given a strong korean terran opponent, moderate lag on high latency is something that makes the korean have significantly bigger advantage on the top of the one he already has. " It's only $50 people..." ... I cannot imagine a more demeaning way of describing Rus_Brain's generous willingness to put $2000+ up for grabs. Not to mention the direspect for the series as a whole - 5-6 month period full of Cups before the TLS championship which is going to have slightly bigger prizepool than the "main event" itself and will probably be played out in the span of the same 5-6 month period. Also Rus_Brain said like a boss he wants to have no say in the issue. I am saying allow all koreans if you are going to allow Scan. Is he the biggest korean contributor to the foreigner scene to give him this kind of privileges? The better question - could a single korean alone be the best contributor to the foreigner scene ever? Consider Sonic - he is the mother of all contributors to BW in the last years, yet he wouldn't be able to do it without the actual passion and dedication of specific players - the early and later joining BJs - at least to me there are no totally new faces in korean BW to prove me wrong here. I basically refuse to attend in a logical non-sense of a "foreigner tournament for foreigners to support the foreigner scene with this special korean that has never existed in the history of BW". Just allow koreans to play. | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On July 23 2015 01:21 trutaCz wrote: Even if Scan is korean i dont care, it would be even better when more D-C-B koreans players participate. Exactly. Just allow more if not all koreans to participate. | ||
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
On July 23 2015 01:43 juvenal wrote: how about invite Bisu and apply your logic? The koreans/non-koreans separation is somewhat stupid to begin with, but if you decided to play by the rules, well, do it. Scan is korean: his iccup stats are ridiculous, he's playing regularly with active progamers, he's even ethnically korean, it doesn't get any closer. Please contact TL admins, and make it happen, i believe most of us would like to play Bisu in TLS. BulgarianToss, i do not ignore the fact that TechnicS took 2 games of 4 and lost the series.What exactly does it change? Because for me it only shows that TechnicS was a very very good player back in the time. Sziky has won more tournaments than Me,Michael,Technics,EonZerg,Marwin,Bizzy,Bibiane, all of top foreigners grouped. | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On July 23 2015 02:10 trutaCz wrote: Please contact TL admins, and make it happen, i believe most of us would like to play Bisu in TLS. BulgarianToss, i do not ignore the fact that TechnicS took 2 games of 4 and lost the series.What exactly does it change? Because for me it only shows that TechnicS was a very very good player back in the time. Sziky has won more tournaments than Me,Michael,Technics,EonZerg,Marwin,Bizzy,Bibiane, all of top foreigners grouped. Yes, but Sziky is a chogosu foreigner that has not grown up in korean culture, having the opportunity to practice LAN/no lag games with chogosu koreans. Not an actual korean. It's up to us - foreigners to step our game up and challenge his foreigner title. | ||
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