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LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 17:25:09
July 22 2015 17:24 GMT
#221
double post sorry
Enjoy the game
trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 17:33:30
July 22 2015 17:31 GMT
#222
It's only personal. It doesn't matter Sziky is from Hungary, Scan from Korea, both are very high skilled players. Until there is no lag i don't see any problems.
yo~.~
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 18:09:16
July 22 2015 17:31 GMT
#223
On July 21 2015 13:46 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 06:47 2Pacalypse- wrote:
The edge cases (Koreans/Chinese currently residing outside of Korea/China, non-Koreans/Chinese currently residing in Korea/China and others) will be considered separately based on their participation in the foreign BW scene.

Your lawyering doesn't quite work here, zimp. Besides what was already mentioned, Scan streams on twitch, interacts with viewers in English, brings us behind the scene info and helps us translate stuff.

The way I see it, this TLS is built around the idea that it's for the foreign scene and its communities. Korean or Mongolian, Scan is a part of this community, and he's even a contributing member. If Bisu wants to become a part of TL or reps.ru pr psistorm or whatever, then he'd be allowed too.

So this is how the league was conceived by the ppl who organize it. You can discuss whether that concept is good or bad forever but lawyering and providing claims about Scan's nationality is a waste of everyone's time. The question you want to be asking in that regard is: Is Scan a TLer? But we all know the answer to that. And he's a great TLer at that.

Also, if we actually let the few interested Koreans become a full part of our community, we can gain and learn a lot from them. Basically, the benefits of living in Korean BW environment would be that much closer to us. So it's not like this is a one-way service at all. Scan is a perfect example of that.


I've read stratos' comment and he has a point but I agree with technics too.

Just change the damn wording if that's your intention and you'll solve most of the problem since atm the organisers appear bad, like how someone raising money for a cancer would look bad if he's actually giving the raised money for polio.

Scan being allowed due to "and others" sneakily sneaked in is just bad communication after all the previous emphasis on foreigners as nonKorean/Chinese (which he definitely is not).

Redefine it as something like that below and it'll be better. Technics (who I agree with) might be satisfied and people who object can only talk about him being too good instead of arguing about how he's korean or a foreigner because it's undeniable that he participates and contributes.


Who is eligible to play in the TLC?
TeamLiquid Legacy Cup series was organized to strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene (read non-Korean/Chinese). Additionally, the purpose of this series of tournaments is to foster a practicing environment in preparation of TLS Championship. As such, the people eligible to play in these tournaments is everyone outside Korea and China.

Non-foreigners will be considered separately based on their participation and contribution to the foreign BW scene.


In the end " strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene " still reads funny if all the money is going to a korean (assuming he wins) and you could still improve on the wording.

ATM you just sound hypocritical despite all the hard and sincere work put in.
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mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
July 22 2015 18:14 GMT
#224
On July 23 2015 00:50 BulgarianToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 00:40 13Julia wrote:
Who is eligible to play in the TLC?
TeamLiquid Legacy Cup series was organized to strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene (read non-Korean/Chinese). Additionally, the purpose of this series of tournaments is to foster a practicing environment in preparation of TLS Championship. As such, the people eligible to play in these tournaments is everyone outside Korea and China.


He is Korean. Lives in Korea. Plays 90% of games on Korean servers. Yet he is an 'edge-case'.

-> Don't make rules which you don't follow yourself. Simply call it foreginers + scan tournament.

+ Show Spoiler +
Wait, if you allow one korean who plays 24/7, and ban other koreans from the tour, isn't this simply fixing the tour?



I'm sorry to say this, but Olympic Zerg is right. We are going to get our asses kicked by the only Korean in the tour that is the closest to semi-pro player there has ever been in the Korean scene. That is 0 chance to fight for first place ;(



Olympic zerg? Sc is dead now officially if Julia has olympic.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10682 Posts
July 22 2015 18:34 GMT
#225
On July 23 2015 02:31 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 13:46 Stratos wrote:
On July 18 2015 06:47 2Pacalypse- wrote:
The edge cases (Koreans/Chinese currently residing outside of Korea/China, non-Koreans/Chinese currently residing in Korea/China and others) will be considered separately based on their participation in the foreign BW scene.

Your lawyering doesn't quite work here, zimp. Besides what was already mentioned, Scan streams on twitch, interacts with viewers in English, brings us behind the scene info and helps us translate stuff.

The way I see it, this TLS is built around the idea that it's for the foreign scene and its communities. Korean or Mongolian, Scan is a part of this community, and he's even a contributing member. If Bisu wants to become a part of TL or reps.ru pr psistorm or whatever, then he'd be allowed too.

So this is how the league was conceived by the ppl who organize it. You can discuss whether that concept is good or bad forever but lawyering and providing claims about Scan's nationality is a waste of everyone's time. The question you want to be asking in that regard is: Is Scan a TLer? But we all know the answer to that. And he's a great TLer at that.

Also, if we actually let the few interested Koreans become a full part of our community, we can gain and learn a lot from them. Basically, the benefits of living in Korean BW environment would be that much closer to us. So it's not like this is a one-way service at all. Scan is a perfect example of that.


I've read stratos' comment and he has a point but I agree with technics too.

Just change the damn wording if that's your intention and you'll solve most of the problem since atm the organisers appear bad, like how someone raising money for a cancer would look bad if he's actually giving the raised money for polio.

Scan being allowed due to "and others" sneakily sneaked in is just bad communication after all the previous emphasis on foreigners as nonKorean/Chinese (which he definitely is not).

Redefine it as something like that below and it'll be better. Technics (who I agree with) might be satisfied and people who object can only talk about him being too good instead of arguing about how he's korean or a foreigner because it's undeniable that he participates and contributes.

Show nested quote +

Who is eligible to play in the TLC?
TeamLiquid Legacy Cup series was organized to strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene (read non-Korean/Chinese). Additionally, the purpose of this series of tournaments is to foster a practicing environment in preparation of TLS Championship. As such, the people eligible to play in these tournaments is everyone outside Korea and China.

Non-foreigners will be considered separately based on their participation and contribution to the foreign BW scene.


In the end " strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene " still reads funny if all the money is going to a korean (assuming he wins) and you could still improve on the wording.

ATM you just sound hypocritical despite all the hard and sincere work put in.


Agreed. If scan can play, lets invite all of SOSPA players and make this interesting.
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dsaqwe.
Profile Joined February 2011
Croatia274 Posts
July 22 2015 18:46 GMT
#226
Thanks to sponsors, organization and whoever helps make it happen! Great news.


Dont worry guys, i will beat Scan..
trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
July 22 2015 19:24 GMT
#227
In dsaqwe we trust.
yo~.~
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1202 Posts
July 22 2015 19:31 GMT
#228
On July 23 2015 03:46 dsaqwe. wrote:
Thanks to sponsors, organization and whoever helps make it happen! Great news.


Dont worry guys, i will beat Scan..

not sure why there isnt a line a mile long to collect on ass whoopings for scan
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 20:34:53
July 22 2015 20:29 GMT
#229
if yoda was prime admin here, he'd just say "admin is lazy and admin want's it" or something along those lines and everybody would shut up and play. Funny. why do you guys feel so entitled to lawyer and argue about this? It's not your decision to make.
Broodwar for life!
sas.Sziky
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary328 Posts
July 22 2015 20:48 GMT
#230
i have good idea !! : D if i win scan add extra money?:D (because facts ''ex korean pro'' still korean) because then I come back : )
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
July 22 2015 20:59 GMT
#231
: D :D : )

putting the fun in funeral
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 22 2015 21:11 GMT
#232
On July 23 2015 05:48 sas.Sziky wrote:
i have good idea !! : D if i win scan add extra money?:D (because facts ''ex korean pro'' still korean) because then I come back : )

But you get $15 more if you beat Scan since you get first place lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9521 Posts
July 22 2015 21:12 GMT
#233
On July 23 2015 05:48 sas.Sziky wrote:
i have good idea !! : D if i win scan add extra money?:D (because facts ''ex korean pro'' still korean) because then I come back : )

If you win Scan in finals you already get extra money :D
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
neteX
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden285 Posts
July 22 2015 21:30 GMT
#234
so many preparing for this tournament its insane actually, saw so many on fish lately. And the smurf accs running around everywhere. Awesome to see the amount of activity on iccup right now.


And the new system makes it MUCH easier to reach a-/a/a+/olympic
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
July 22 2015 22:04 GMT
#235
Scan actually doesn't give a fuck about TLS, he accepts and participates what he can. He has gone into SC2, now hitting 21 GM rank in NA. So, if he reached it that fast (month or 40 days?), he is just talented Foreign Korean who is better than every foreigner who like to whine here at every line.

Examples of whiners:

I work no time to play as Scan (c) Sziky
Scan plays 40 games a day, I don't (c) Julia
Scan is Korean so he shouldn't be here or let's invite all koreans (c) Technics
................. LOL

It's your problem that you suck, not Scan's,
sunbeams are never made like me...
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 22:07:04
July 22 2015 22:06 GMT
#236
If this will make people happy.
I'll put a 10$ bounty on anyone who beats/knocks scan out of a tournament. If scan loses no tournament between now and December 15th I will give him $100. I will take $10 away from the hundred dollar scan pool for every tournament he loses. I call this profit.
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LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
July 22 2015 22:16 GMT
#237
there are obviously people that are not paying attention to simple facts. how can someone qualify an actual korean as a "Foreign Korean" ?

What I propose is pretty simple and logical and I don't really have a problem as I probably won't be able to attend a good amount of the cups. It's a matter of principle.

BisuDagger, did you read my suggestion for the TLS cups organisation and do you plan on answering on that at some point?
Enjoy the game
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6773 Posts
July 22 2015 22:17 GMT
#238
On July 23 2015 07:06 BisuDagger wrote:
If this will make people happy.
I'll put a 10$ bounty on anyone who beats/knocks scan out of a tournament. If scan loses no tournament between now and December 15th I will give him $100. I will take $10 away from the hundred dollar scan pool for every tournament he loses. I call this profit.

very nice idea,thanks so much for do all this for foreigners stimulate koreans is always welcome to help our scene,oh wait actually there are few who keep playing the game after all this years of TLS,but not reward at all when big tournament back just put one korean imba to win us all ^_^ Fantastic.

still remember the old stars tournaments organized by artanis,at the end sziky was right,so much hype for old players but the new ones just got shit,i didnt played this koth giving my place to non zerg players since the line was full of zergs,but wathever..
all this just looks unfair to me.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6773 Posts
July 22 2015 22:20 GMT
#239
im not best technics supporter but i agree with him,just invite good koreans players and make this tourney interesting,atleast this way you guys arent spiting right in the face of us.
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
July 22 2015 22:23 GMT
#240
On July 23 2015 07:17 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
all this just looks unfair to me.


very true

imho, it is not only unfair to all the foreigners, but to all the koreans too
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