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Wednesday 3rd Jan
Matches:
DonGraE(T) vs NaDa(T) @Neo Arkanoid
Firebathero(T) vs YellOw[ArnC](Z) @Reverse Temple
Chojja(Z) vs Midas(T) @Longinus 2
Casy(T) vs JulyZerg(Z) @HitchHiker
fOrGG_V_(T) vs GoRush(Z) @Neo Arkanoid
Hwasin(T) vs Sea.Jy(Z) @Reverse Temple
+ Show Spoiler + DonGraE(T) vs NaDa(T) Firebathero(T) vs YellOw[ArnC](Z) Chojja(Z) vs Midas(T) Casy(T) vs JulyZerg(Z) fOrGG_V_(T) vs GoRush(Z) Hwasin(T) vs Sea.Jy(Z)
Watch live (using ie):
http://myhome.naver.com/mjremixed/newsg/live/ongamenet.htm
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Aargh, its week 3.1, can mods plz change it?
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My Liquibets: Nada > Dong FBH> Gay yellow Midas > Chojja July > Casy ( this was voted with the heart @.@) ForGG > Gorush Hwasin > Jy
You guys?
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Was waiting for this thread :D
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On January 03 2007 01:17 rA.Hippie wrote:My Liquibets: Nada > Dong FBH> Gay yellow Midas > Chojja July > Casy ( this was voted with the heart @.@) ForGG > Gorush Hwasin > Jy You guys? 
Hi mine are
Nada > Dong FBH> Gay yellow Midas > Chojja July < Casy ForGG > Gorush Hwasin > Jy
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I predict this:
Nada > Dongrae FBH> fake yellow Midas > Chojja July < Casy (very tough vote) ForGG < Gorush Hwasin > Jy
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Braavos36375 Posts
anyone else pronounce ForGG "forg" like fork except with a g
i think its a lot more fun that way
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On January 03 2007 01:19 BeaTeR wrote: I predict this:
Nada > Dongrae FBH> fake yellow Midas > Chojja July < Casy (very tough vote) ForGG < Gorush Hwasin > Jy
my picks are the same but it was easy for me to pick casy over july with how the 2 are playing right now.
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Chojja has been slumping and playing weird in general lately, I broke my zerg voting policy and voted against him. ;_;
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On January 03 2007 01:19 BeaTeR wrote: I predict this:
Nada > Dongrae FBH> fake yellow Midas > Chojja July < Casy (very tough vote) ForGG < Gorush Hwasin > Jy
Same here!
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Chojja has been playing like a shitbag lately.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
my bets are ....
Nada > Dongrae YellOw[ArnC] > firebathero Midas > ChoJja Casy > JulyZerg Gorush > ForGG_V_ Sea.Jy > Hwasin
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United States37500 Posts
On January 03 2007 01:21 Hot_Bid wrote: anyone else pronounce ForGG "forg" like fork except with a g
i think its a lot more fun that way
I say "for gee gee" in my head.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
hurray for tvzs fuck protoss =P
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is there a theoritical chance anytime to advance?
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tfeign relents for only a minute and the chojja hate flows like a river
i hope he wins just so everyone gets owned
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these are extremely tough votes today
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NaDa Yellow Midas Casy GoRush Hwasin
Those are my bets!
6/6 hopefully
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On January 03 2007 01:26 Red_Dragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 01:19 BeaTeR wrote: I predict this:
Nada > Dongrae FBH> fake yellow Midas > Chojja July < Casy (very tough vote) ForGG < Gorush Hwasin > Jy Same here!
Same here, although my vote for casy wasn't a tough choice :p
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On January 03 2007 01:37 Elsi wrote: NaDa Yellow Midas Casy GoRush Hwasin
Those are my best!
6/6 hopefully same as mine!!!!! p.s I think you meant bets =)
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
Nice, 6 games and no toss. I love OSL.
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Dongrae 2 starports , Nada 2 fact
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go nada! i suddenly realized if nada beats dongrae, much -> top16.
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god this match is surprisingly identical hahaha
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 01:44 GodsDevil[5thF] wrote: they play the same :D FE
wtf started alreayd??? zomg
ggogo nada =.=
i cant even watch.. damnit
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CA10828 Posts
gogo NaDa!
dongrae just screwed up and lost all his tanks and almost all his wriaths. 2 survived but in the red.
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NaDa defends well against drop
Should have advantage now, with 3 bases running
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nada just killing flying buildings :D
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Nada's being a bit too passive imho.
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Every time he moves out, Dongrae drops his nat.
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Dongrae very ofensiv, 2 ofensiv i say
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wtf better live reports pleassse thx ^___________^
it was like nada 7 dongrae 5 or w/e then like 4 posts later nada is running off 3 bases and destroying dropships tanks and wraiths wtf - _-
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Nah he's in the lead economically. Defense is perfect.
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nada is owning the drops tho
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Dongrae with the 3rd big failed drop in a row, this time int he middle protected part of Nada's base.
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NaDa rapes another mass drop
Dongrae is an idiot he should drop somewhere else, like the north expo
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On January 03 2007 01:55 nova_442 wrote: Nah he's in the lead economically. Defense is perfect.
Not sure, he lost quite some SCVs. Dongrae didn't. He has more troops though.
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Dongrae's army is beginning to break the neutral buildings to the center. Also expo at 9. NaDa just dropped 5/6 DS of units in the center.
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Both players now trying to take control of the middle
2 tank lines form
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
o so all the while nada has been owning dropships of shit from dongrae really badly and running off 3 bases while dongrae has had only 2 bases and now they're fighting for the mid?
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Both players taking 4th bases. They seem to have similar sized armies with 6-7 dropships in the air each.
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Nada drops 11 expo
while dongrae counters nat
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Wtf is Nada doing dropping there???
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wtf so is nada going back to defend now??/?? o_O
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Both players lose an expo each
Dongrae now attacks expo at 3
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Nada does the same at 9, but dongrae defends
Dongrae now has one more expo
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Dongrae is actually going to win this.
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Not looking good for NaDa, his drop at Dong was olbiterated by many siege tanks and he's losing his expoes to Dong drops.
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On January 03 2007 02:01 OctoPuSs wrote: Dongrae is actually going to win this.
its not over yet
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Both players are running out of resources, nada is finally able to retake nat
just nats for both
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I think dropping so much at 11 was a big mistake.
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Nada cleared the units guarding his 5 o'clock expansion. I don't think this is actually that bad for Nada because he was killing Dongrae's expos while Dongrae was killing his.
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Dongrae double expands in the top left corner
Nada defend nat again
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Dongrae's playing like a retard though now and will lose.
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very very bad drop 4 Dongrae
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:02 Highways wrote: Both players are running out of resources, nada is finally able to retake nat
just nats for both
so its back to 3 bases each o_O
and nada JUST retook one of them? :\
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Dong drop gets blown away, NaDa barely lost scvs I think, but used to defend.
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Wow bad drop from Dongrae. Now NaDa has the advantage.
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LOL! Dongrae didn't spread drop well and Nada owned his huge drop with few units at 5.
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Both now are taking their halves of the map
This game can go for a while
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Both are adding 5th bases. At the top right and top left respectively.
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Dongrae wisely makes a ring of turrets around his newly created expansion for drop protection.
Both groups of dropships meet at the top of the map and unload. Nada wins the fight barely.
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mass dropships intersect each other, awesome stuff
nada comes out on top
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Clash of the drops! NaDa comes out winner with 4 tanks and 6 goliaths, neither lost dropships.
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Nada dropped 0.5secs earlier than Dongrae... comes out huge on top
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Dongrae will probably kill 1 oclock expo
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Both just preparing dropships, repairing, and shuttling scvs and making CCs.
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They've both taken their entire side of the map. Every expo has a cc.
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lol this is a great game
lots of action and nice tactical terrain abuse by both players
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CA10828 Posts
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
they just showed 7 starport with control tower for nada!!!
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nada making mass bcs or wraiths
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omfg many starports yes ? by nada
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Dong drops 1 but lack of goliaths makes it easy for NaDa to lift and save, he has 3 tanks defending, just out of range of Dong's tanks.
NaDa MASS STARPORTS, all with addons, probably BCs?
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NaDa easily defends, 7 starports up for nada
3 running expos for each i think
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Nada made 7 starports with control tower. O_O
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Dongrae drop right on Nada's main on his factories.
BCs are coming out for Nada.
Nada tried to counterdrop on top of Dongrae's attack but it wasn't enough.
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don't think it was a good idea fot nada
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mass drop in nadas main, loses all facts
nada cant defend, looking bad for him now, although a few bc's are out
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wtf gay i miss the days of nada rapage
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
lol i wish I could watch this :D
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BCs don't have enough mobility on that map imho. Too slow. :/
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Nada is making his new main in the top right corner
quite a few bc's now
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NaDa should've countered the top left expos. Now he's in trouble. He needs to rebuild all his supply depots.
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mass turets for Dongrae , nada main base is no more :D
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wait WTF nada is suddenly losin?? - __-
lost all his factories? wtf is that shit
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Dongrae will just threaten to mass drop as soon as Nada goes too far away from his base with his BCs.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:13 KizZBG wrote:lol i wish I could watch this  :D
why can't you? - _-
i can't either. sig
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But he only has to go to the top expansions. Dongrae's main means nothing.
The closest bases are the ones with the most minerals left
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Dongrae improved a lot in these last few months!
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u guys think mass wraiths is a good idea 4 Dongrae ?
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CA10828 Posts
dongrae countering with mass wraiths...
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Nada is turtling, not much dongrae can do
Dongrae now masses starports
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Dongrae getting mass starports too.
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Dongrae gonna counter with mass wraiths I guess.
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Dong starting mass starports as well. Probably cloaked wraiths?
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Nada finally rebuilt enough supply depots to keep pumping bcs. It looks like he has some dropships with them too for tanks?
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wow this is a great game
dongrae played really well. nothing to be ashamed of there... however there's really nto much that dongrae can do about THAT many battlecruisers at this point
unless he had psionic storm....
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On January 03 2007 02:14 alffla wrote: wait WTF nada is suddenly losin?? - __-
lost all his factories? wtf is that shit
Although I'm a chinese also, I think you are so disgust! Each post of you has at least one WTF!
WTF wrong with you??
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I guess flying cows were a bad idea. =/
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NaDa has a scary amount of BCs right now.
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Nada has a victory fleet now it looks like a full dozen more or less.
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Nada attacks 12 with bcs
mass goliaths force him to retreat
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haha a lot of stuff for Dongrae^^
he just unloaded his dropship's mass stuff!!
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Nada yamato blasting the turrets protecting Dongrae's closest expansion. Constantly putting the pressure there.
Dongrae has to land his entire dropship force at that expansion for protection, no more threat.
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attack move is the coolest
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Dong getting his own flying cows, all starports have addons.
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Dongrae's starport aren't doing anything. Maybe he's maxed out .
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are the starports produsing ant thing ?
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dongrae loses all of his dropships
but it appears to be an intentional move to free up some supply
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ouch dongrae loses all dships
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All of Dong's dropships destroyed by BCs.
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But all of his units are in the center.
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this is the danger zone for dongrae
he really needs to free up some supply for those BC's
but he has to be very careful not to throw away the wrong units
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the map is almost mined out
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:16 laopang wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 02:14 alffla wrote: wait WTF nada is suddenly losin?? - __-
lost all his factories? wtf is that shit Although I'm a chinese also, I think you are so disgust! Each post of you has at least one WTF! WTF wrong with you??
lol
SORRY if i swear too much
but that may be because i can't watch this properly and i dont want nada to lose
WTF!!!1
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Dongrae is buying time for his air units to build
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ok everyone place your bets, who will win?
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Dong's aircows are being built now, maybe good time for NaDa to make his move? He's stuck in the middle kinda. But I guess neutral buildings are all destroyed. Dong has about 5 aircows atm.
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alot of people find moments like these a bit boring
but i love this intense endgame TvTs : ]
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:21 siro) wrote: ok everyone place your bets, who will win?
gogogog nada!
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lol suplay suicide
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holy jesus hahaha
nada HAS to have 24 BCs
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there is going to be one massive battle pretty soon
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NaDa sacrificed his scvs and dropships.
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I think Dongrae has too many tanks for the upcoming battle. He's got like 24 tanks doing nothing. Nada suicides his SCVs and dropships because he's almost mined out.
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ahaha dongrae sweating like a pig
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Dongrae has like 20 turrets guarding his 10 o clock and 2 tanks. The center is full of maybe 20~ tanks, turrets, and some goliaths of Dong.
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nada spreads out his BCs like a defending moth to look scarier than he actually is
not to say it ISNT a scary amount of BCs
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CA10828 Posts
lol dongrae sweating like mad.
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LMAO Dongrae is sweating Zeus style .
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:23 siro) wrote: ahaha dongrae sweating like a pig
i wish i could see that XD
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LOL SWEATAMENTS!
camera zooms in on an enormous bead of sweat pooling at the bottom of dongrae's chin
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BC suplay is 6 now right ?
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two massive tank/bc lines outside nada base
gonna be a huge battle soon
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c'mon nada let's see some EMP!
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
haha how long is this game going for now? over 40 mins?
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How many bcs does nada have holy shit
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Dong has battkecows on the way! About 8 it looks. NaDa has a crapload of tanks and battlecruisers, more scv sacrifices on the way, take out some of Dong's tanks lol. Dong controls the center with his goliaths, cows, and tanks, but NaDa has his armada and 20~ tanks too.
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CA10828 Posts
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were those dongrae yamatos all on one BC or separate?
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Seriously Nada, get a new haircut.
This game is so long lol ><.
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6 vesels with matrix will be so cool :D
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oh my GOD that's so many damn BCs hahahaha
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can someone see the battle upgrades ?
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times like these i wish i didnt have a download limit ^^
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7 more BCs join NaDa's army as indicated by flashing starports, NaDa has his BCs spread out in an arc of death.
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On January 03 2007 02:25 OctoPuSs wrote: Seriously Nada, get a new haircut.
This game is so long lol ><.
Yeah, he looked so cool with short hair. I do not know why he is keeping that hair style.
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Dark Archons should be allowed in long TvTs :D!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:27 Highways wrote:
holy sht
how come i dont see any dongrae coloured thingies on the minimap? - _-a
[edit]nvm the brown was the hard to see
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They're trading yamato cannons over no man's land. Dongrae now with the scv suicide.
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CA10828 Posts
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
I dont even want to imagine how sweaty Dongrae's ass is
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ahaha
this may be the first draw that i've ever seen
however, nada is looking to be in good shape regardless of the stalemate-seemingness of things
AAEEYYAAAAA dongrae almost loses 3 bc
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On January 03 2007 02:28 alffla wrote:holy sht how come i dont see any dongrae coloured thingies on the minimap? - _-a [edit]nvm the brown was the hard to see rofl i think dong is oj.
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Dong sacrifices about 20 poor SCV, still a stalemate with neither daring to budge, except for the occasional exchanging of yamatos and SCV sacrifices. Dong still has minerals though, but sacrificed SCV anyways.
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It'll take a long time before either can attack into the other. They're going to see who can micro their yamato cannons best.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
hey highways, any more screenies? ;O
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how much damage does a yamato do again?
200 ?
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On January 03 2007 02:29 KizZBG wrote:I dont even want to imagine how sweaty Dongrae's ass is 
hahahahahah :D
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NaDa's BC army looks much more flatulated, but Dong has a dozen or two goliaths as well as his tanks also. Exchange of yamato again, as Dong's lasers nip NaDa's BCs on the behind, but suffers no lossses.
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CA10828 Posts
omg nada still has money??
he's getting cloaking wraith now.
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NaDa making wraiths? Getting cloak^^
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woooooow 9 pages for the first game  good that other five are TvZ
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ARGH
unlucky EMP for dongrae
FP view shows that dongrae has a bunch of fucking money
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CA10828 Posts
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just started watching .. is the map out of resources?
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VALKYRIES BEING MADE FOR NADA!!
whoah craazzyy!!!
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OMG DRAMATIC ENDING TIME!
OMG mass valkyrie!!
wow this game is becoming very intense VERY fast hahaha
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OMG WHAT A SICK MOVE BY NADA THERE. Dong was approaching with his Vessel to EMP his BCs but NaDa somehow figured which bc Dong had clicked on and separated it perfectly. Awesome play.
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Poor SCV, they repair the BCs and are sent off to doom. NaDa has an actual cloud of BCs, but moves back toward his 1 o clock and several tanks are destroyed. Might be the end!
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CA10828 Posts
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valkyrie not so good vs bc from what i know
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Dongrae is going for the kill. Who will win??!?!?!!?!?!
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here comes the big battle!
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Goliaths should have froggy leg upgrades and have kick damage of 50.
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OMG BATTLE TIME!!
so many BCs SO MANY BCs!!
OMG VALKYRIESS!!
WWHAA IN THE FUCK IS GOING ON OMG HOLY SHIT NADA HOLY SHIT
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:33 MuShu wrote: Poor SCV, they repair the BCs and are sent off to doom. NaDa has an actual cloud of BCs, but moves back toward his 1 o clock and several tanks are destroyed. Might be the end! o_O
so does it seem fairly even rgt now or is nada gonna own
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OH JESUS NADA ENDS w/ over 12 BCs ALIVE JESUS ASS
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NAAAAADDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
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awesome cloning with yamamoto by nada got some many of dongraes bcs
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nada gogogoing into dongra'es base!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
OMG YAY NADAA ^^__________^
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Fucking incredible Yamato cloning on Dongrae's BCs allowed nada to win that one. Holy shit that was amazing.
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NaDa comes out on tip, Dong's stuff gets destroyed, still 7-8 BCs left, heading for the DEATHBLOW gahhhhhhh``
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CA10828 Posts
brown went for counter but 7 BCs pop out at once for nada
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Yes! Nada`s micro amazing as usual!!!
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wow dramatic finish
nada is going to win
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Nothing Dongrae can do now Nada is owning all Dongrae's starports and he's got like 14 BC in the air.
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On January 03 2007 02:35 nova_442 wrote: Fucking incredible Yamato cloning on Dongrae's BCs allowed nada to win that one. Holy shit that was amazing.
yeha no kidding, that was so so SICK
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How can Nada still have money dang.
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20+ bc's vs 10 golis!
do the maths!
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NaDa is on top of the starports!, Dong still making goliaths but NaDa can kill the armouries and starports, Dong is in NaDa's base, but 7 BCS COME OUT AT ONCE defends, his main fleet heading towards the center..
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nada again has over 2 groups of BCs
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what will DonGraE give for a defiler with plague
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Dong's head looks a bit like a grap without the peel, kinda squishly-lookin' and drippy.
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I want that game FPVOD Nada's view ...
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24 bc v 24 goliath
who wins...
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:37 GodsDevil[5thF] wrote:what will DonGraE give for a defiler with plague 
haha
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On January 03 2007 02:38 One Page Memory wrote: I want that game FPVOD Nada's view ... I just want the bigg battle w/ NaDa's view.
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Why the fuck is Dongrae getting tanks?
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NaDa probably has tanks coming out of 2 facts also, looks in favor of NaDa very much.
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Dongrae saved some minerals at his expansions lol. Looks like he may be able to make a few more goliaths after all. Nada should still win with yamato.
Or attack move.
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CA10828 Posts
lol brown is going for lockdown!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:39 PoP wrote: Why the fuck is Dongrae getting tanks?
too nervous lolx
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dongrae going for nuke
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dongrae making ghosts rofl
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Covert ops nice. I'm not sure Nada will give him enough time to buid that many ghosts.
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BattleCows heading out, maybe 4 tanks sieging for NaDa, and Dong is using 6 scv to mine the rest of 10 and is building a rax there. Covert OPS for Dong coming up! Ghost action lol
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You have got to be kidding me. Dong is getting Lockdowns :D!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:41 nova_442 wrote: Covert ops nice. I'm not sure Nada will give him enough time to buid that many ghosts.
even if he had that much time to build ghosts he wouldn't have time to charge up their energy enough for 20 lockdowns =.=
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NaDa also has about 8 tanks, so even if some ghosts let a few rip, tanks wipe out goliaths I think.
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CA10828 Posts
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Nada going for the kill now. He yamato blast almost all Dongrae's tanks so his 10 should be able to roll over the goliaths.
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rofl he got one lockdown off
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nada keeps his OSL hopes alive! ^_^_^_^
dongrae looks frowny :[
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Last ditch attempt by Dong to lockdown and goliath, but it's no use as NaDa wipes out the reaining Goliaths and Ghosts and Dong has no choice but to type out of this very, very long TvT.
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god dongrae played a great game tho
he really put the heavy aggression nada all game long
there's virtually no one else who has crisis management as strong as nada
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:44 GodsDevil[5thF] wrote: 1 lockdown very gosu
592092151 apm to do that kkkkk
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Crazy battles in this one, first time i really loved a tvt game
GG
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Ya Dongrae played a great great game. He was the one on the attack almost all game. Nada was somehow able to handle it all and switch up to more BCs than Dongrae and then perfectly micro them against Dongrae's tank/goli/BC army.
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So Much and oov qualified
How does it work for Nada and Dongrae ? Nada gets 3rd ? Or do they rematch ? :/
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offtopic:is there a theoritical chance anytime to advance?
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Am I the only one who knows how nada did these amazing Yamatos ?
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nada gets into wildcards?
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On January 03 2007 02:48 AlexanderTheGreat wrote: nada gets into wildcards? I think depends on much -oov if much wins oov is also 1:2
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if Much > Oov then 2-4 tie I think?
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On January 03 2007 02:47 Beamo wrote: So Much and oov qualified
How does it work for Nada and Dongrae ? Nada gets 3rd ? Or do they rematch ? :/
Nop Oov's still not in. If he loses to Much there'll be a 3-way tie between him Nada and Dongrae. #1 spot will qualify directly, #2 will play the wildcards round and #3 will be out.
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what u mean what was amazing about yamatos
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Lets say oov and Much will qualify as first and second. And since nada beat Dongrae now will there be tie match between Nada and Dongrae, or Nada is third?
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Dongrae will qiut SC after this... awesome lose :-/
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On January 03 2007 02:47 Beamo wrote: So Much and oov qualified
How does it work for Nada and Dongrae ? Nada gets 3rd ? Or do they rematch ? :/
only much qualified, oov has to beat him this friday to qualify.
This game was epic! I haven't seen BCs for ages...
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nadas max apm = 532
avg = 304
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On January 03 2007 02:49 Red_Dragon wrote: Lets say oov and Much will qualify as first and second. And since nada beat Dongrae now will there be tie match between Nada and Dongrae, or Nada is third?
Not sure about that actually. He should be third, but someone said the format had changed so...
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Nada got lucky, his play is very unimpressive right now.
The Yamato was amazing though. ; )
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Jeez both averaged 300+ apm in an hour game.
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On January 03 2007 02:49 Red_Dragon wrote: Lets say oov and Much will qualify as first and second. And since nada beat Dongrae now will there be tie match between Nada and Dongrae, or Nada is third?
If Oov and Much qualify as 1st and 2nd, there will be a rematch between Nada and Dongrae, just like last season with Yellow and TT
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Hrm, unsure what exactly will happen, so I'm editing this out.
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On January 03 2007 02:51 Orome wrote: Nada got lucky, his play is very unimpressive right now.
The Yamato was amazing though. ; )
Agreed. He looked totally uninspired and way too passive, but his defense was great all game long and of course the magnificent cloning.
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thats like 20,000 actions just for one game O_O
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Like chut said if they didn't change the format there is a rematch like TT vs Yellow and Iris vs Cloud last season.
If Anytime wins vs Sea.Up he can still qualify by getting third beating the Firebat vs Yellow[arnc] loser in a rematch game.
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Looks like FBH vs. Yarnc is about to start.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 03 2007 02:34 Day[9] wrote: OMG BATTLE TIME!!
so many BCs SO MANY BCs!!
OMG VALKYRIESS!!
WWHAA IN THE FUCK IS GOING ON OMG HOLY SHIT NADA HOLY SHIT
i wish i could hear the commentators when this went on lol ;(
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OMG, I ACCIDENTLY SLEPT AND MISSED THIS?
*SHOOTS SELF*
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Dammit, whats up with my stream.
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Last seasons rule was:
3way tie for 1st to 3rd --> regames 3way tie for 2nd to 4th --> regames 2way tie for 3nd and 4th --> regame, no matter the result of the group stage 2way tie for 1st and 2nd --> no regame, winner of the group stage game gets first
So if the dont change anything, Nada will definitly have to play at least one regame against Dongrae (also against OOv if he loses to Much).
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Yarnc at 9, FBH at 6. Reverse Temple. Gogo.
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whats the standings in the firebathero and yellow group?
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FBH with 8 rax on high ground past his nat. Yarnc with 11 pool to open.
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On January 03 2007 03:00 nova_442 wrote: Yarnc at 9, FBH at 6. Reverse Temple. Gogo.
yarn /yɑrn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[yahrn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. thread made of natural or synthetic fibers and used for knitting and weaving. 2. a continuous strand or thread made from glass, metal, plastic, etc. 3. the thread, in the form of a loosely twisted aggregate of fibers, as of hemp, of which rope is made (rope yarn). 4. a tale, esp. a long story of adventure or incredible happenings: He spun a yarn that outdid any I had ever heard. –verb (used without object) 5. Informal. to spin a yarn; tell stories.
[edit] ; damn nova editted alreayd XD
omg bunk rush oh wait 11pool. k w/e
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good delay of expo from fbh
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On January 03 2007 03:02 M2 wrote: whats the standings in the firebathero and yellow group?
1. Sea.Up (T, Estro) 2-0 2. FireBatHero (T, Samsung) 1-1 2. YellOw[ArnC] (Z, OGN) 1-1 4. Anytime (P, Lecaf) 0-2
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FBH's scv delayed Yarc's expansion we may see a timing rush on it.
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omg and kills the ov 2 :O
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Anytime is 0-2, Upmagic 2-0 and FBH and Fake Yellow both 1-1. The one winning this game qualifies as 2nd in this group.
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Wow, since when is FBH that awesome? Missed his last few games. :o
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Especially now that Yarc suicided his lings against FBH's marines. Yarnc adding 3rd hatch next to nat.
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On January 03 2007 03:04 nova_442 wrote: Especially now that Yarc suicided his lings against FBH's marines. Yarnc adding 3rd hatch next to nat.
especially what?
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happy new year everybody!! go go fake yellow
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And now FBH gives back the advantage by trying a bunk rush with no backup and losing all his marines. FBH finishes CC for fast expansion.
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On January 03 2007 03:04 Orome wrote: Wow, since when is FBH that awesome? Missed his last few games. :o
He's awesome at TvZ imho.
He already has a decent eco advantage this game.
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On January 03 2007 03:05 nova_442 wrote: And now FBH gives back the advantage by trying a bunk rush with no backup and losing all his marines. FBH finishes CC for fast expansion.
He lost like 4 marines but forced Yellow into making more lings. He now has his CC nat up and running while Yellow is still low on drones.
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FBH adding a factory and 3 more rax.
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On January 03 2007 03:06 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 03:05 nova_442 wrote: And now FBH gives back the advantage by trying a bunk rush with no backup and losing all his marines. FBH finishes CC for fast expansion. He lost like 4 marines but forced Yellow into making more lings. He now has his CC nat up and running while Yellow is still low on drones.
damn i hope i dont get my yellow[arnc] vote wrong
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i realy hate the one that made this map and put the 3 minerals there so terran and toss can defens easy vs zerg
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On January 03 2007 03:06 nova_442 wrote: FBH adding a factory and 3 more rax.
wtf ? -_ - does fakeyellow even have a lair yet? lol
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Yeah Yellow is going spire.
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Yarnc's spire is almost done.
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On January 03 2007 03:07 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 03:06 nova_442 wrote: FBH adding a factory and 3 more rax. wtf ? -_ - does fakeyellow even have a lair yet? lol
spire now
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Hmm seems like FBH is expecting lurkers. No turrets, early tanks.
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god this is a great build by FBH
like unbeleivably solid
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He's getting 9 muta, coming in for harass now.
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Yellow showing us some nice mutailsk micro
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On January 03 2007 03:08 Day[9] wrote: Yellow showing us some nice mutailsk micro
mutalisks fighting!!! get more scvsss
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Very nice harass. He's taken down 6ish scvs, a couple turrets, and a several marines while losing only one muta.
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wow mutalisks from hell seriously
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FBH is tired of being harassed and left his main undefended to attack Yarnc. He's gonna get flankowned.
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Or maybe counterattack owned?! Yarnc rushes into FBH main with 24 speedling and his muta.
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On January 03 2007 03:10 nova_442 wrote: FBH is tired of being harassed and left his main undefended to attack Yarnc. He's gonna get flankowned.
flankowned by mutaling? o.O
[edit] nvm
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wow this game is absolutely insane
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They're destroying each other's bases. FBH is in Yarnc's nat and Yarnc is in FBH's main.
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wow if FBH can wint his game
he'll be hero of the year
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Aftermath:
FBH has few scvs but both bases. Yarnc took the 12 o'clock expansion while he was harassing so he has that but he lost the 2 hatches at his nat. Yarnc has obviously switched to lurk/ling at this point.
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On January 03 2007 03:14 nova_442 wrote: Aftermath:
FBH has few scvs but both bases. Yarnc took the 12 o'clock expansion while he was harassing so he has that but he lost the 2 hatches at his nat. Yarnc has obviously switched to lurk/ling at this point.
fbh still has both bases even though a bunch of mutas and 24 speedlings were inside? - _-a
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hahah first two games of the nite have been pretty kick ass
WOW NICE ONTROL FROM FBH WHOAH WHOAFHDSKLJFALKFAS
FBH just killed an absolutely SICK amount of shit w/ not very much at all
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Absolutely excellent spread from FBH here.
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I meant ccs of course. His infrastructure took massive damage but he lifted the important buildings.
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FBH lets it be known that once he gets a vessel, he'll be scary as fuck
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defilers should be up soon
FBH has a decent sized army now
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this map is imba in tvz..--
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wow this is really really insane
FBH might seriously win this fucking game hahah
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Yellow will try to sandwitch.
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AGH HOLD POSITION LURKERS!! OMG SPOTTED!! SHIT SHIT!!
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aaahh gag
FBH loses his main force
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FBH gets raped by a lurk/ling flank
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OMFG huge flank by yellow!!!!
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FBH is now contained and Yarnc is bringing in the defilers.
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I think he needs some firebats to be hero..^^ haha
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On January 03 2007 03:17 nova_442 wrote: OMFG huge flank by yellow!!!!
sweet go gogoog yellow move into fbh's base!!!
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FBH nat goes down in swarm
drop in yellows main
GG
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Yarnc dropping dark swarms all over FBH natural. Lots of lurk ling pouring in.
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On January 03 2007 03:18 LosingID8 wrote: GG Yarnc wins
YES!! 2/6 so far..
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i am so fucking back 2/2 jk
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Fuck.
Very nicely played from Yellow tho.
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2/2 so far
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GG from FBH, nice macro by YarnC.
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Very nice back and forth game there. I thought Yarnc was done after he lost so many units at FBH's nat but he came through with nice holdlurker and a great flank that left FBH with nothing and defilers coming for him.
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1. Sea.Up (T, Estro) 2-0 2. FireBatHero (T, Samsung) 1-2 2. YellOw[ArnC] (Z, OGN) 2-1 4. Anytime (P, Lecaf) 0-2
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I will never vote for FBH again, despite his cool glasses on that liquibet picture. He had advantage in last week match and lost it, and he did it again now.
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those reports were weird!
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Cool game. Good to see Yarnc playing well again.
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Fuck, I lost this bet.Underestimated fake yellow
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so yellow is qualified but if even anytime win sea he wont qualify coz he lost to firebathero?
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Day FBH is 1-2, and Yellow is 2-1
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This is good for Anytime. If he wins against UpMagic, he will have to face FBH instaid of a Zerg.
btw: Day, your standings are wrong.
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On January 03 2007 03:20 Elsi wrote: those reports were weird!
how so? actually it seemed like they skipped a lot of stuff.. hmph
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On January 03 2007 03:20 Day[9] wrote: 1. Sea.Up (T, Estro) 2-0 2. FireBatHero (T, Samsung) 2-1 2. YellOw[ArnC] (Z, OGN) 1-2 4. Anytime (P, Lecaf) 0-2
You switched FBH and Yellow.
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wow that was an awesome game! well played by both sides i think. fakeyellow's counter was great
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yeah yellow beated anytime(another lost bet of mine)
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On January 03 2007 03:20 Day[9] wrote: 1. Sea.Up (T, Estro) 2-0 2. FireBatHero (T, Samsung) 2-1 2. YellOw[ArnC] (Z, OGN) 1-2 4. Anytime (P, Lecaf) 0-2 i think FBH is 1-2 as he lost to Sea.Up and Yellow, Yellow is 2-1 as he won against anytime and FBH, 1 lost to Up
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On January 03 2007 03:22 Da_PlayerX wrote: yeah yellow beated anytime(another lost bet of mine)
FBH too, but I still think its easier for anytime to defeat him in a rematch.
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hope anytime beats two terrans in a row to get a chance for top16...
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for chojja-midas the liquibet should be for what time midas will rape him? under 15 or for more than 15 minutes:-)
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On January 03 2007 03:27 M2 wrote: for chojja-midas the liquibet should be for what time midas will rape him? under 15 or for more than 15 minutes:-)
Hahaha :D
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It's Longinus so anyone who voted for Chojja will be sadly disappointed
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On January 03 2007 03:27 M2 wrote: for chojja-midas the liquibet should be for what time midas will rape him? under 15 or for more than 15 minutes:-)
rofl yea.. poor chojja
i used to be a KTF fan.
but now........ -_ -
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On January 03 2007 03:24 SayGG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 03:22 Da_PlayerX wrote: yeah yellow beated anytime(another lost bet of mine) FBH too, but I still think its easier for anytime to defeat him in a rematch. is there a rematch if anytime wins the next game ? as FBH won the face to face match means that if those 2 have same score then does it mean FBH advance?
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I'm way beyond hoping for a Chojja win, I just hope he doesn't embarrass himself as much as he did yesterday.
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I'm expecting ChoJJa to go some early pool since he isnt in shape and the map doesnt favor him either. So his only chance is something cheesy.
we will see if he proves me wrong...
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argh hahah
thx for catching my mistake guys
i saw FBH lose, and marked him as a win anyways haha
i should be a ref
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Midas is already qualified (and sure to be 1st btw) though, so maybe he won't be as motivated as usual.
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On January 03 2007 03:29 STAYTHESAME wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 03:24 SayGG wrote:On January 03 2007 03:22 Da_PlayerX wrote: yeah yellow beated anytime(another lost bet of mine) FBH too, but I still think its easier for anytime to defeat him in a rematch. is there a rematch if anytime wins the next game ? as FBH won the face to face match means that if those 2 have same score then does it mean FBH advance?
On January 03 2007 03:00 SayGG wrote: Last seasons rule was:
3way tie for 1st to 3rd --> regames 3way tie for 2nd to 4th --> regames 2way tie for 3nd and 4th --> regame, no matter the result of the group stage 2way tie for 1st and 2nd --> no regame, winner of the group stage game gets first
So if the dont change anything, Nada will definitly have to play at least one regame against Dongrae (also against OOv if he loses to Much).
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god midas is becoming awfully popular these days
<3 teddy bear
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I'll vote for Midas all the way to the semi-finals.
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midas fighting, chojja's recent plays are awful, he's gonna get fucked again today, poor guy
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On January 03 2007 03:32 Day[9] wrote: god midas is becoming awfully popular these days
<3 teddy bear
who wouldn't be after making it to semis in MSL and OSL and also winning vs savior in the first OSL savior joins? :O
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On January 03 2007 03:33 nova_442 wrote: I'll vote for Midas all the way to the semi-finals.
LOL, yeah..
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the faceshot of midas trying to smile makes him look awful i prefer sadface emobear terran =P
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On January 03 2007 03:31 SayGG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 03:29 STAYTHESAME wrote:On January 03 2007 03:24 SayGG wrote:On January 03 2007 03:22 Da_PlayerX wrote: yeah yellow beated anytime(another lost bet of mine) FBH too, but I still think its easier for anytime to defeat him in a rematch. is there a rematch if anytime wins the next game ? as FBH won the face to face match means that if those 2 have same score then does it mean FBH advance? Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 03:00 SayGG wrote: Last seasons rule was:
3way tie for 1st to 3rd --> regames 3way tie for 2nd to 4th --> regames 2way tie for 3nd and 4th --> regame, no matter the result of the group stage 2way tie for 1st and 2nd --> no regame, winner of the group stage game gets first
So if the dont change anything, Nada will definitly have to play at least one regame against Dongrae (also against OOv if he loses to Much).
got it, so FBH and Nada still have to play to advance to wild card, wish them best lucks
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omg ChoJJa! You have to PLAY like July, not LOOK like him!
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chojja 3, midas 11
rather, chojja 2
midas depot first, chojja looks like 12/11
chojja scouting earlier but incorrectly midas scouting correct
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no cheese! amazing
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ahhhhhhhhhhh nooo i dont wanna eat dinnre now damnit i wanna know what happens ><
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LOL HUGE TEDDY BEAR IN AUDIENCE!!
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chojja 3 hatch, midas fast expo (i can't tell what building that is but it's in his mineral field)
edit: yeah one rax expo
chojja running a few lings to check on midas, he may have seen the expo
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On January 03 2007 03:41 intrigue wrote: chojja 3 hatch, midas fast expo
14 CC? o_O
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midas going for a macro build of his, while chojja looks a bit slacking in macro, his drones are around 3secs~ late at moving after being built! haha picky
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3 hatch lurker + evo chamber for chojja fast engi upgrade and acad for midas
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Neither streams are working for me. help?
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midas sitting out the front of chojjas base with around 10 marine + 2 medic factory up now
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8 lurkers morphing for chojja now midas brings down another medic + 5r ines
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chojja going lurker, 1 evo upgrades and drone whoring
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fact/port for midas, chojja just started morphing lurkers, midas has ~two groups of mm just out of range of sunkens
a second evo and a spire going down
sorry that's not a spire ack
siege being researched, chojja slowly coming out first battle - chojja losing a few lings, midas losing three marines
queen's nest being morphed
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Double evo now.
The big question in this game will be how quickly and effectively will Chojja break out of the contain Midas has him in.
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4th hatch in base + 2nd evo
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chojja 4 hatch 1 expo only double evo lurker ling no spire, midas has 2 engis, factory siege, starport + vessels coming
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ChoJJa going his usual micro style, by going 2 base defilers
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vessel out, siege finished look at midas' base shows 5 rax, fact port blinking
midas at chojja's choke, a surround from chojja now
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chojja raped terribly, gg here emoterran smiling, kind of eerie midas played a solid macro game, chojja moved out too slowly to pull off his fast hive play
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GOSU PLAY with the firebat
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looks like under 15 for the rape
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dang, gosu d-matrix on the firebat
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God terran is such a bs race
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GG. The defense matrix firebat to draw all the lurker fire from the flank was pimp. Midas killed everything Chojja had and lost nothing.
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That defmatrix was totally pimp. Had a huge influence on that battle.
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pretty even game until midas decied to make first move wich leaded to gg from chojja, the ones who voted below15 minutes won
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rofl midas would be so much more worthy of the name firebathero than firebathero himself haha
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ok Midas need to stop with his gay smiling -_-
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awesome midas wtf... this was rape... chojja was like wtf whos this guys with the terran race...
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midas confuses me, he smiles too much nowadays
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Wow, extra camera time for cutie Midas!
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On January 03 2007 03:50 Fishball wrote: ok Midas need to stop with his gay smiling -_- the girls love it though
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On January 03 2007 03:50 PoP wrote: That defmatrix was totally pimp. Had a huge influence on that battle.
3 days late for pimpest plays 2006 though.
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he likes the camera way too much compared to the other gamers
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On January 03 2007 03:51 Carnac wrote: midas confuses me, he smiles too much nowadays
probably wants more publicity =P
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rofl, rape is an art, Midas is a rapist, Chojja is a victim...
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nice game by chojja.he was unlucky
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plus he stole boxer's post-game move
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Poor Chojja. Loses so often nowadays he can't even keep up with the handshaking.
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wow i'm going to say what everyone's been saying
midas absolutely ass pounded the shit out of chojja
god that was so sick
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Feel so bad for ChoJJa. But I think his face somehow fits the losing expression than winning. Kinda like loserish face
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Wow 319APM, Midas's usually around 260. :o
Guess the shortness of the game helped, but still.
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Was that a 378 apm for chojja? wtf?
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They're introducing Casy and July right now.
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god casy looks so sharp until he smiles lol
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On January 03 2007 03:58 nothingbutzerg wrote: Was that a 378 apm for chojja? wtf? rofl, does that fuckign insane APM help him to win the game ?
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i hate this opening because it has a closeup of iris's disgusting, pimple-ridden face
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i hope july wins though i voted for casy...
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july scouts very early, scared of proxy casy one rax gas, probably fast academy
negative, he goes factory to float across a neutral building ol spots it july doing 12/11
july starting lair vulture out for casy at july's base
lings try to break casy's ramp, he holds with no losses, july loses many lings
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Casy with a fast tech build, 1 rax starting factory now. July opened standard 12 hatch 11 pool/14 gas.
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casy's vulture is owned by lings =( july is being aggressive at casy's ramp, keeps on losing too much he's running away from two control groups of mmf with 2 hydras, 3 lings left
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Looks like allin lurkerling.
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omg this low eco tactic from july
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again great game from july wtfffffff
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four lurkers, lings out
very nice micro, casy's attack rocked
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wow excellent flank by july
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God of War with 2 hatch lurk/ling. Nice flank over Casy's army now he's going for the ramp!
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both sides very low eco
casy won't be able to get out for now. july starting on neutral buildings, started spire, adding more drones
wraith out for casy, gets two ol kills mutas out for july
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July has 4 lurks burrowed outside casy's ramp, right in his natural. July making mutas now.
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i think casy will win... july must do a miricle
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On January 03 2007 04:13 puLs.ReADy wrote:i think casy will win... july must do a miricle 
? it looks like the opposite
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July kills the first vessel with muta but irradiate/marine kills most of the muta.
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july sucide mutas to kill vessel
nice micro game this
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casy 1 base 3rax fact star vessel
july 2 base 4 lurk and some muta (6 or 7)
casy breaking out of his ramp right now with 3 tank
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casy broke out, like 12 marine 3 medic 3 tank 1 vessel
july lose whole army
game over soon i think
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ah shit july picked a really bad battle, couldn't get out of the choke july ggs
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July vs Casy right now is about micro battle of 2 gods.
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its over july is doomed imo
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July was late bringing his units to the fight and Casy killed everything. Now he's charging up the middle towards July's nat!
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July doesn't have the units to stop this, he is indeed doomed. GG any minute.
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can anyone find a working stream
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low eco strategy vs Casy seems not to be a good choice, Casy's micro rocksssss
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july aka mr 2 drones in exp
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July's mutas didn't do anything that late in the game and I wonder whether he would have been better off going straight for defiler after he counterattacked and held casy in his main.
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Is Casy now known as Really?
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Although it was Julys typical style, this bo looked a bit desperate to me. So maybe HitchHiker is really T>>Z. Might be wrong though.
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Switching to mutas was totally retarded imho.
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A micro mistake costed July a game =.= How unfair for Zerg :-s (Casy TvZ micro is just flawless though)
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On January 03 2007 04:17 haypro wrote: july aka mr 2 drones in exp teh drones are fat so it takes more ground to do the mining ?2 drones just barely fit the mineral field ? rofl
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so july is out now right ?
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Every map is this OSL is T>Z, and considering terran already has an advantage over zerg it's basically impossible for zergs to win consistently.
Watch out for an all T semi-finals
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1. Casy (OGN, T) 3:0 2. GooDFriend (KTF, T) 1:1 3. Julyzerg (MBC, Z) 1:2 4. Child (STX, Z) 0:2
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On January 03 2007 04:19 puLs.ReADy wrote: so july is out now right ?
1. Casy (T, OGN) 3-0 2. GoodFrienD (T, KTF) 1-1 3. July (Z, MBCGame) 1-2 4. Child (Z, Soul) 0-2
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I really think it was July's strategy that cost him the game, the fact that he made a timing mistake in not having his units together was incidental. He made like 9 mutas so late, after Casy already had irradiate when he really could have used a faster hatch and hive tech.
4/4 tonight
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no he's not, he still has chance to qualify to wild card: if Child>GF --> a rematch, if Child lost then July advances
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Casy's apm 510 at one stage?
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Sick, Casys avg APM was 467 :O
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On January 03 2007 04:26 EsbenPM wrote: Sick, Casys avg APM was 467 :O
No 427 (I think). Still huge.
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Introducing ForGG and GoRush.
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fOrGG do u think you're funny huh?Regarding the fact that he has by far the worst name between pro's ,GoRush FTw
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haha reshowing nada's yamato
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On January 03 2007 04:31 Fishball wrote: haha reshowing nada's yamato
yeha showing the actual replay, wish someone would leak that
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sweet 3/6
sorta sad that july lost though
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GoRush at 5, ForGG at 7. GoRush 12 expo to the north, ForGG 14 cc to the north.
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ok now we have male cheerleaders with love signs
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i was kinda hoping to see 4 hatch before pool ^^
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Gorush 3 hatch expo and ForGG with 2 rax academy so far.
Gorush is making a spire now.
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i can't believe I vote against July , but that was the correct choice, currently, tho.
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ForGG is breaking the temples in the middle of his base with mm and working his way toward's Gorush's base.
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omg
gorush forgot overlords...
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ForGG is at Gorush's temples. Gorush throwing down a sunk and making some lings.
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gorush seems calm with his 7 lings against 10 mnm
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On January 03 2007 04:42 STAYTHESAME wrote: wtf does ftw mean ?
For the win
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ftw = for the win
mutalisks finally pop out and gorush promptly rapes the shit out of the pesky MnM group of forGG
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ForGG got behind Gorush's minerals at main but muta/ling clears it up and no drone kills.
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Gorush looking to have a huuuugggeee advantage
his opening build was very well timed and he's looking very very strong at this point
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GoRush now harassing in ForGG's main. Forgg up to 3 rax.
ForGG went out again and Gorush was there with a lot of muta and speedling and owned his army.
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GG GoRush wins. i'm 5/5 on liquibet tonight
he's 9-1 zvt in his last 10 games
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GoRush is in ForGG's main and it's GG.
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Gorush makes some mutalisks and wins
GG!
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Sweet Gorush!
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Gorush looks cool atm and fucking calm as well
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forGG is noob.mutaling owned MnM and lost easily
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SWEEET 5/6 now FOR THE THE LAST GAME!! :D:D:D DO ME PROUD UM.. Sea.jY!
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why did forGG move out with such a small army again????
And why didn´t he go for one of gorushs expos with his first army????
3/5 now
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SKT1 is slowly getting in shape for the proleague finals.
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come on Hwasin! make me 6/6 tonight :D
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On January 03 2007 04:46 LosingID8 wrote: come on Hwasin! make me 6/6 tonight :D
COME ON 장육 MAKE ME 6/6!!!
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Newbie play by ForGG in that game IMO. There's no way he's going to be able to do damage with the first MM attack and no way to run it back when GoRush makes enough speedling/muta to kill it. And moving out with about 16 MM after losing the first army, knowing Gorush has at least 12 muta and some lings is crazy.
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What's the big deal about 400+ APM? I've seen lots of reps from Korean amateurs with 500+ APM, but they still suck (compare with the pros). 400ish APM means nothing to me, actualy I'm more impressend with players with less than 250less APM like Oov or sometimes Savior, Nal_rA...
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what are the 3 apm categories again
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wtf both same min apm, gorush more max apm, and forgg more average apm?
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On January 03 2007 04:51 zulu_nation8 wrote: what are the 3 apm categories again
avg max min
:}
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On January 03 2007 04:50 mrdx wrote: What's the big deal about 400+ APM? I've seen lots of reps from Korean amateurs with 500+ APM, but they still suck (compare with the pros). 400ish APM means nothing to me, actualy I'm more impressend with players with less than 250less APM like Oov or sometimes Savior, Nal_rA...
it can and it does matter at high levels. Just like it was displayed in todays Nada vs Dongrae game.
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Introducing Hwasin and Jy (Hoya). I voted Hwasin here because he's absolutely on fire in TvZ lately.
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On January 03 2007 04:51 Aepplet wrote: wtf both same min apm, gorush more max apm, and forgg more average apm? so? depends on how long they stay in what apm zone, it's not just value1 + value2 / 2...
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LOL AHAHAHAHAHA
Sea.Jy is 5/9 of his last 10 TvZ (hasn't played any)
OGN makes a HUGE math error and says this is 50.6% !! HAHA
its actually 55.555...% hahahahahahah
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On January 03 2007 04:53 Red_Dragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 04:50 mrdx wrote: What's the big deal about 400+ APM? I've seen lots of reps from Korean amateurs with 500+ APM, but they still suck (compare with the pros). 400ish APM means nothing to me, actualy I'm more impressend with players with less than 250less APM like Oov or sometimes Savior, Nal_rA... it can and it does matter at high levels. Just like it was displayed in todays Nada vs Dongrae game.
Let's not get started on this again. Nada is fast because he's fast, not because he has high apm. Big difference. Give it a rest please.
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On January 03 2007 04:50 mrdx wrote: What's the big deal about 400+ APM? I've seen lots of reps from Korean amateurs with 500+ APM, but they still suck (compare with the pros). 400ish APM means nothing to me, actualy I'm more impressend with players with less than 250less APM like Oov or sometimes Savior, Nal_rA...
It's the same big deal with having a 12 inch penis. You can work with less and claim that size doesn't matter, but we all know it helps...
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On January 03 2007 04:55 Luhh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 04:53 Red_Dragon wrote:On January 03 2007 04:50 mrdx wrote: What's the big deal about 400+ APM? I've seen lots of reps from Korean amateurs with 500+ APM, but they still suck (compare with the pros). 400ish APM means nothing to me, actualy I'm more impressend with players with less than 250less APM like Oov or sometimes Savior, Nal_rA... it can and it does matter at high levels. Just like it was displayed in todays Nada vs Dongrae game. Let's not get started on this again. Nada is fast because he's fast, not because he has high apm. Big difference. Give it a rest please.
wtf? doesnt high apm = fast though. well. sorta. nada is both i guess.
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On January 03 2007 04:56 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 04:50 mrdx wrote: What's the big deal about 400+ APM? I've seen lots of reps from Korean amateurs with 500+ APM, but they still suck (compare with the pros). 400ish APM means nothing to me, actualy I'm more impressend with players with less than 250less APM like Oov or sometimes Savior, Nal_rA... It's the same big deal with having a 12 inch penis. You can work with less and claim that size doesn't matter, but we all know it helps...
amen
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On January 03 2007 04:49 nova_442 wrote: Newbie play by ForGG in that game IMO. There's no way he's going to be able to do damage with the first MM attack and no way to run it back when GoRush makes enough speedling/muta to kill it. And moving out with about 16 MM after losing the first army, knowing Gorush has at least 12 muta and some lings is crazy.
not just crazy, but completely STUPID. One of my first lessons I learned about TvZ is that you should move your army back when Z is going muta. If you dont see it and you loose your army DON`T move out with 16MM again. Maybe he thougght his marines are all rambos..
That´s really stupid. tztztz.
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On January 03 2007 04:54 Day[9] wrote: LOL AHAHAHAHAHA
Sea.Jy is 5/9 of his last 10 TvZ (hasn't played any)
OGN makes a HUGE math error and says this is 50.6% !! HAHA
its actually 55.555...% hahahahahahah
loLZ wtf is that o_O
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ahaha Jy gets spotfucked
Jy @12 Hwasin @3
lololol yaaay for bringing reverse temple back :D
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Game starting. Jy 12. Hwasin 3. Reverse temple.
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Jy is owned by positions. GG lol.
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On January 03 2007 04:58 nova_442 wrote: Game starting. Jy 12. Hwasin 3. Reverse temple.
shit im not gonna get that 6/6 liquibet tonight >_<
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I hope you guys are not gonna try to argue that oov loses games because his apm is too low compared to many other terrans -.-
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At least Jy scouted Hwasin without him seeing the overlord so Hwasin is going the wrong way around the map.
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9 overlord pool for Jy.
Hwasin is walling in at nat.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
sea.jy:
Vs Other Players 1 : 0 vs Yooi 0 : 1 vs Zergman 0 : 1 vs HiyA[fOu] 0 : 1 vs Hwasin
shit 
win this one for me pleasE >_<
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On January 03 2007 04:57 Sewi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 04:49 nova_442 wrote: Newbie play by ForGG in that game IMO. There's no way he's going to be able to do damage with the first MM attack and no way to run it back when GoRush makes enough speedling/muta to kill it. And moving out with about 16 MM after losing the first army, knowing Gorush has at least 12 muta and some lings is crazy. not just crazy, but completely STUPID. One of my first lessons I learned about TvZ is that you should move your army back when Z is going muta. If you dont see it and you loose your army DON`T move out with 16MM again. Maybe he thougght his marines are all rambos.. That´s really stupid. tztztz.
guys the game was completely lost already anyway, so he probably just hoped to find a few mutas or just lings misplaced and score some lucky kills to get him back in the game. even if he stayed in his base there was no way he could have stopped gorush from rolling all over him
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On January 03 2007 05:01 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 04:57 Sewi wrote:On January 03 2007 04:49 nova_442 wrote: Newbie play by ForGG in that game IMO. There's no way he's going to be able to do damage with the first MM attack and no way to run it back when GoRush makes enough speedling/muta to kill it. And moving out with about 16 MM after losing the first army, knowing Gorush has at least 12 muta and some lings is crazy. not just crazy, but completely STUPID. One of my first lessons I learned about TvZ is that you should move your army back when Z is going muta. If you dont see it and you loose your army DON`T move out with 16MM again. Maybe he thougght his marines are all rambos.. That´s really stupid. tztztz. guys the game was completely lost already anyway, so he probably just hoped to find a few mutas or just lings misplaced and score some lucky kills to get him back in the game. even if he stayed in his base there was no way he could have stopped gorush from rolling all over him
camp with 4 bunkers lololol
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Jy's expansion is up. It will be interesting to see how he fights in these tough positions.
Hwasin's expansion is also up.
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wow that is one fast fucking academy
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Jy with 3 hatch and lair making. Jy throws down an evo as well.
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One firebat, medic and marine make it past jy's sunks.
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Jy lost some lings and mining time clearing that up. Jy as expected is going den first.
Hwasin attacking Jy's sunk line.
4 meds > 3 sunks. GG.
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wow
great cheater move by hwasin haha
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aaanndd i'm off to play morrowind
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ok i think i'm goning to throw up,my little brother who's 8 plays better
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wtf does this mean? Hwasin ran over Jy?
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On January 03 2007 05:06 STAYTHESAME wrote: wtf does this mean? Hwasin ran over Jy?
yes he did
jy did nothing
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
WTF JY LOST JUST LIKE THAT WTF HAPPNED? I THOUGHT LIKE 3 thingies slipped past and then GG_?
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Hwasin with the quick win over Jy on impossible positions. Sad game 6/6.
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wow hwasin, got sorta lucky first time around, but 2nd time breaking sunkens was straight up excellent play.
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On January 03 2007 05:07 alffla wrote: WTF JY LOST JUST LIKE THAT WTF HAPPNED? I THOUGHT LIKE 3 thingies slipped past and then GG_?
Those just stalled Jy and made him lose a few lings. In the meantime Hwasin massed up about 14 marine and 4 medic and attacked Jy's 3 sunks head on just before lurkers. Ezrape :/
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On January 03 2007 05:05 Day[9] wrote: aaanndd i'm off to play morrowind
morrowind owns, my favorite game, oblivion blows
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more detail plz, any major battle that forces Jy to type out or just after the 1rine, bat, medic incident Jy typed out ?
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On January 03 2007 05:08 nova_442 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 05:07 alffla wrote: WTF JY LOST JUST LIKE THAT WTF HAPPNED? I THOUGHT LIKE 3 thingies slipped past and then GG_? Those just stalled Jy and made him lose a few lings. In the meantime Hwasin massed up about 14 marine and 4 medic and attacked Jy's 3 sunks head on just before lurkers. Ezrape :/
arghhhh ;( tvz imba thread nOW! lol ~_~
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right...what a rape...so many rapes today anyways...
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At least the first two games were good, especially the 1 hour marathon Dongrae vs. Nada.
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Hwasin comes sraight from Hell. He is sooo much on fire 
I would love to see a bo5 of him vs savior. Would be so interesting games I think.
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On January 03 2007 05:08 Aepplet wrote: 5/6 FBH
same here damn FBH
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You know what the sad thing is?
I read a statement from OGN and the mapmakers or the likes that the new maps were supposed to address the TvZ imbalance problems we'd been seeing from the last season, yet 13 terrans qualified on those very maps they called imbalanced. Thus we now have a season with 13 terrans on terran maps. 
Savior got his work cut out for him..
5/6 FBH not on fire, fancy that.
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there was a major battle between 3 sunks 1 hydra and drones versus 14 rines and 4 medics.Jy lost the sunk,he lost the hydra,he lost the drones and there was 8 marines and 4 medics versus 2 damaged sunks.GG
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On January 03 2007 04:59 Carnac wrote: I hope you guys are not gonna try to argue that oov loses games because his apm is too low compared to many other terrans -.- True. Also I believe progamers' APMs show more about their playing style / habbit rather than their speed. Like some might prefer to spam or hotkey really fast to keep their momentum, while others prefer a moderate speed to ensure accuracy and time for thinking etc. Because if APMs really make a considerable advantage, players like Oov or Savior would never let their APM under 300 like that. Think about it, they're playing 10 hours a day guys. if they want to have a 500ish APM they surely can practice to have it. Cos even amateurs can have 500+ APM with way less practice time and devotion. I believe it's all about their habbit / playing style. Therefore that APM indication after each match means absolutely nothing to me, except to compare it with their own APM in other matches.
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stop complaining about maps plz. I mean if toss loses it was the maps, if terran loses there is no chance on this maps and if zegr loses all maps are imba.
The players train on those maps every day and know about imbalances on each map. they ake strats to avoid this and if they don´t they are training the wrong things.
I really don´t like it that people allways complain about maps and imbaness...
Players should do some unexpected moves. The maps are just imba when everyone plays standart.
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Saying the game in itself is close to perfectly balanced is something one can argue about, claiming however that there are no balance issues at all to be addressed when talking about maps is absolute and total bullshit.
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On January 03 2007 05:16 Sewi wrote: stop complaining about maps plz. I mean if toss loses it was the maps, if terran loses there is no chance on this maps and if zegr loses all maps are imba.
The players train on those maps every day and know about imbalances on each map. they ake strats to avoid this and if they don´t they are training the wrong things.
I really don´t like it that people allways complain about maps and imbaness...
Players should do some unexpected moves. The maps are just imba when everyone plays standart.
You don't know what you're talking about and ought to shut up before you embarass yourself further. Take Longinus II for example. In this OSL alone we're 8-1 TvZ. The old one wasn't any better.
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On January 03 2007 05:15 mrdx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 04:59 Carnac wrote: I hope you guys are not gonna try to argue that oov loses games because his apm is too low compared to many other terrans -.- True. Also I believe progamers' APMs show more about their playing style / habbit rather than their speed. Like some might prefer to spam or hotkey really fast to keep their momentum, while others prefer a moderate speed to ensure accuracy and time for thinking etc. Because if APMs really make a considerable advantage, players like Oov or Savior would never let their APM under 300 like that. Think about it, they're playing 10 hours a day guys. if they want to have a 500ish APM they surely can practice to have it. Cos even amateurs can have 500+ APM with way less practice time and devotion. I believe it's all about their habbit / playing style. Therefore that APM indication after each match means absolutely nothing to me, except to compare it with their own APM in other matches.
I am just saying that sometimes it can be useful. I do not want to start a fight. Nada sometimes does hardcore extreme micro. However SC is not apm game, if one player has higher apm, that is not auto loss for another. There are more important aspects of SC like strategy and execution which are crucial for win. I am just saying high apm can be helpful sometimes, that is all. Back in the day when Ra was the hottest player he had like 160-180 apm.
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On January 03 2007 05:22 nova_442 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 05:16 Sewi wrote: stop complaining about maps plz. I mean if toss loses it was the maps, if terran loses there is no chance on this maps and if zegr loses all maps are imba.
The players train on those maps every day and know about imbalances on each map. they ake strats to avoid this and if they don´t they are training the wrong things.
I really don´t like it that people allways complain about maps and imbaness...
Players should do some unexpected moves. The maps are just imba when everyone plays standart. You don't know what you're talking about and ought to shut up before you embarass yourself further. Take Longinus II for example. In this OSL alone we're 8-1 TvZ. The old one wasn't any better.
I don´t say there are no imbalances, but that I hate people complaining about it every game.
Most people say imba after every game. Sometimes - and this is true - games are decided by the players skills and not imbaness.
I just don´t want people complain about maps all the time. that´s all.
Sorry if I sounded a bit angry, but it anoys me so much.
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well in that game in particular, me thinks 12/3 reverse temple is too close for a normal tvz still no matter what they did to fix it. Jy could've stopped the rines from running in if he had a couple seconds longer. Of course it is still jy's fault more than the map's, however the map still makes it harder than necessary for zergs to win vs terran in that position.
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On January 03 2007 05:41 Sewi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 05:22 nova_442 wrote:On January 03 2007 05:16 Sewi wrote: stop complaining about maps plz. I mean if toss loses it was the maps, if terran loses there is no chance on this maps and if zegr loses all maps are imba.
The players train on those maps every day and know about imbalances on each map. they ake strats to avoid this and if they don´t they are training the wrong things.
I really don´t like it that people allways complain about maps and imbaness...
Players should do some unexpected moves. The maps are just imba when everyone plays standart. You don't know what you're talking about and ought to shut up before you embarass yourself further. Take Longinus II for example. In this OSL alone we're 8-1 TvZ. The old one wasn't any better. I don´t say there are no imbalances, but that I hate people complaining about it every game. Most people say imba after every game. Sometimes - and this is true - games are decided by the players skills and not imbaness. I just don´t want people complain about maps all the time. that´s all. Sorry if I sounded a bit angry, but it anoys me so much. If this was the case the game would be long dead already. Of course some people always complain, however for a more than limited amount of maps there is at least some truth to it, a truth which is worth discussing.
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6/6 not bad
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On January 03 2007 05:35 Red_Dragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2007 05:15 mrdx wrote:On January 03 2007 04:59 Carnac wrote: I hope you guys are not gonna try to argue that oov loses games because his apm is too low compared to many other terrans -.- True. Also I believe progamers' APMs show more about their playing style / habbit rather than their speed. Like some might prefer to spam or hotkey really fast to keep their momentum, while others prefer a moderate speed to ensure accuracy and time for thinking etc. Because if APMs really make a considerable advantage, players like Oov or Savior would never let their APM under 300 like that. Think about it, they're playing 10 hours a day guys. if they want to have a 500ish APM they surely can practice to have it. Cos even amateurs can have 500+ APM with way less practice time and devotion. I believe it's all about their habbit / playing style. Therefore that APM indication after each match means absolutely nothing to me, except to compare it with their own APM in other matches. I am just saying that sometimes it can be useful. I do not want to start a fight. Nada sometimes does hardcore extreme micro. However SC is not apm game, if one player has higher apm, that is not auto loss for another. There are more important aspects of SC like strategy and execution which are crucial for win. I am just saying high apm can be helpful sometimes, that is all. Back in the day when Ra was the hottest player he had like 160-180 apm. I don't want to start a debate either. This issue is way too old. =) Agree with what you said in this post. What I initially said is just I didn't see how some people here cared (and were surprised) too much about players' APM. Anyway that's not big a deal, peace
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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cool, thanks.
hwasin looks very skinny on the last pic. and midas seems to be smiling all the time. nice^^
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5/6 FBH
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On January 03 2007 04:41 Day[9] wrote: omg
gorush forgot overlords...
Ahahahahha I missed the games and read the reports real quick. This made me crack up so much.. I dunno why.... hahahhaa GR CHOBOOOOO
EDIT - And also, I really don't get the map imba crying. Arkanoid? Yes, terran dominate. RLT ? Not really. TvP is very difficult on that map. HitchHiker? Shut up, no one deserves to cry for shit about Hitchhiker yet. Everyone was bitching about ARcadia and zerg and then everyone stfu once T's started winning. Longinus - Well, It just sucks for Z no? Yet GoRush has been dominating it.. SKT1 did test the map -_-;; BTW - WHy isn't GR on pokerranking and some bs like Pusan on? Ppft. Or Sea.Up ??
What other maps... MSL - Desert Fox is the only one I think is gay. I never liked the Blitz map either...
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Sweden1225 Posts
<b>MAP IMBALANCES!</b> Back in the days foreign zerg players spent more time whining about imbalance on island maps (and not only semi-island maps which we mostly see today) than they seemed to use to practice on them.
In particular alot of players thought ZvP was "impossible" vs corsairs and reavers, temps and cannons protecting small islands.
At that time however, the game wasn't perfected and so if those zergs would've actually stopped crying and put in some serious practice they would at least be able to shock their opponents when it mattered in tournaments because alot of people would underestimate them, thinking PvZ on islands would be easy and just do some standard play.
Frankly, I think I've hardly ever lost as Zerg on islands in tournaments just thanks to so many others focusing on the imbalance that they didn't practice it as much as me I guess.
Anyway... long post... (dunno if anyone would read all the way through this). Pro-gaming today everyone is really good players so map imbalance seems to be far more crucial. I never bitched about map imbalance, I just picked the right race for it, but in the pro-gaming business today I guess it would be hard not to feel fucked over by some maps.
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sad osl for toss AND zerg it seems.
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Map imbalance is what makes up alot of entertaining games. A true player must transcend beyond those limitations, adapt, and create a style to adhere to the map. Sure, it's alot harder vs this person's style and race and what not, but nothing is impossible with this game. (or else it would have died a long time ago.) Proxy gate in PvT on hitcherhiker, one base zvt on bifrost, 3 gate pvz madness on mercury, and 14 cc on 815, bend every damn thing possible.
I'm starting to think OSL purposely made imbalanced maps to create a entertaining, unique styles of play for the racially disadvantaged. Make like 2-3 imbalanced maps, make 1 balanced one, make one weird fucked up map, yeah I'm starting to see a trend :O
It's amazing how MSL AlMOST always has more of a racially balanced brackets and maps, but still ranks lower than OSL
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6/6, second week in a row. Too bad i cant get anything right in the Survivor league.
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On January 03 2007 07:27 SCNewb wrote:5/6 FBH 
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5/6, i missed the yellow > FBH
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