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iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-09 04:30:11
September 16 2014 22:32 GMT
#1
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Welcome to Another Great event, presented to you by Team Alchemists


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Hi!

I am happy to present to you the Alchemy League. “What can this be?“ you say. Well let me tell you. Me and a few friends have been working on another event that we wanted to be bigger than the regular 10/20$ tournaments on defiler. so we came up with this idea. It‘s been a lot of work for people like us without that much experience in hosting such events. We also didn’t have all the contacts we needed, and those we knew, unfortunately, are not as interested in helping out as they were before. Kudos to those who actually did help us though. We're still looking for help with coverage and anyone else who might be interested in helping run the tournament. If you feel like helping let us know, there are cookies involved, you don't want to miss out on that!

So far, Madinho, Voddy, Piraya and myself have chipped in for the prizepool. Now we will open for donations. If you want to help us raise the prizepool you can donate to my paypal account: LeifJsandoy@gmail.com Remember that every donation helps, small ones and big ones. The larger the prize pool gets, the more interest and activity the event will get. Your donations will go to the prize pool and only that.

We are still looking for 1-2 newswriter to cover some of the most intresting matches in the ladder stage, aswell as someone to cover the qualifications&finals, Is it you we are looking for ? Please PM me here at TL or add me at skype : Leifsandoy


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I advice you to read these rules, a lot of people diddent bother to do so, and broke several rules simply cause they diddent bother reading them.I made a few exceptions since it diddent affect the league or other players, and we all want as many players in the league as possible. But from now on i wont

Create account with your most known name,(smurfing/fake flag is forbidden) with the tag: AL.Name and join this ICCup team: http://iccup.com/en/teams/96962.html

Smurfing is not allowed
Clearstats is not allowed
Transfer is not allowed
Players are not allowed to stream during qualifications or finals
Maps: AL map pack. Which can be DL here: http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/2Pacalypse/maps/ALC_maps.zip
Game mode: One on one
Anti-hack: Mandatory
LAN latency: On
ID: AL.Name ( Join here : http://iccup.com/en/teams/96962.html )
Smurfing: You can only sign up with 1 account. Join this team with your preferred & most known name. Smurfing is forbidden, as well as shared accounts.
Racepicking is allowed, if two racepickers face each other, they will have to whisper their race to admin and the admin make sure they stick to the race they choosed.
Players are not allowed to pick the same map twice during qualification&finals
Players are not allowed to enter iCCup tournaments to gain ladder pts
ID: AL.Name ( Join here : http://iccup.com/en/teams/96962.html )



Playing vs the same player multiple times

D/C rank, 8 games per 24 hours
C/B rank, 8 games per 24 hours
B/A rank, 8 games per 24 hours


Abuse will be regularly checked for and if you are found guilty of abusing it will result in a disqualification and ban from any aLc events in the future.


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Currently at $ 200 USD, we will accept donations to the prizepool from now on.

1st Place: 60%
2nd Place: 25%
3rd Place: 15%


Donate for a bigger prizepool trough paypal


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I am very excited that so many good players have signed up for this event, nearly every top player in iCCup have singed up for this, and it will be even more exciting games to look forward to for the next few weeks, and then the qualifier starting right after, wich will be evenen better then the ladder stage, i hope everyone are looking forard to this just as much as i do.


Prize pool remains still remains at 200 $, and i dont think thats is a bad prize for playing a game you love.


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Groupstage


Players are seeded based on rank from the ladderstage.

Groups : 8x4

Liquipedia article : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Alchemy_League

In the group stage, every player plays a best of 3 vs all other members of his group.
During this stage, the first map is always Mist. After that, the loser picks.
Two players advance from each group based on the amounts of wins and losses, leaving 16 players.

A win gives +2 points, and a loss gives -1points.

If there is an even number of points between more than two players, there will be tiebreaker games,
in which the players who have the same amount of points all play each other
in best of one games. The same rules for scoring apply: +2 points for a win, -1 for a loss.

Clarification: A win means one individual game. Not a complete best of 3 set.

These players then compete in a single elimination bracket.
They are placed based on how many points they got during the group stage,
as shown in this example:

http://binarybeast.com/xCODBO1011200

Points gained from tiebreaker games do not count towards this placement.
If two or more players have the same amount of points,
the player with the higher ladder qualification spot gets the higher numbered spot.
All rounds are best of 3 until the finals, which are best of 5

The rounds have the following starting maps, after which the loser picks:

Round of 16: Mist
Round of 8: Overwatch
Round of 4: Queen's Bridge
Round of 2: Outsider



  • Sin Peaks of Baekdu
  • Sin Gaema Gowon
  • Fighting Spirit
  • New Heartbreak Ridge
  • Outsider SE
  • Dante's Peak SE
  • Rush Hour 3
  • Tau Cross
  • Monty Hall
  • Katrina
  • Sin 815
  • Dante's Peak SE
  • Mist
  • Queensbridge 1.3
  • Neo Overwatch 2.0
  • Toad Stone 1.3


Mappack :

http://speedy.sh/5vWTc/aLcLeagueMaps.rar


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TerranTv aka Raven will be casting from groupstages ( Polish language only )
Still looking for other caster/s. Anyone who might be intrested, please PM me here at TL.net, iCCup.com or try cath me when im online on server-

Schedule


Schedule will be updatede regulary here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/467329-alchemy-league-ladderstage-streams

Stream link :


http://www.twitch.tv/terrantv

Ladderstage : [url=http://www.twitch.tv/julyzurg/profile]http://www.twitch.tv/julyzurg/profile[/url]



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Default channel : Op AlchemyLeague

Admins : iamcasey, Piraya, Hasske,

Contact information : Skype : Leifsandoy : iCCup : iamcasey & aLc.Casey


Fair play

We are adults, and let’s also act like it. Creating more work for admins will result in a waste of time for us and the event will suffer for this. That‘s in no one‘s interest. It‘s more than enough work already, and my patience with handling brats is very limited.

Leaving before the 2 minute mark due to any disadvantage will be heavily punished.
Disconnecting because of a loss/disadvantage will be heavily punished.
Floating buildings around the map only to waste time will be punished.

Some bad manners we can all live with, but racism and/or hardcore bm will be heavily punished and might result in a disqualification.

Bugs/Glitches

Same rules as in iCCup.

Maps, replays, spoiling

To prevent everyone from only playing Fighting Spirit, we made a rule that only allows you to play Fighting Spirit for a maximum 60% of your ladder games.

All participants are forbidden to spoil results from the groupstage or Ro16, ( Unless its agreed with the admins ) streaming/sharing replays is forbidden and will be punbished with disqualification.

Qualification & finals replays shall be given to Casey right after the matches are done. You can send them by mail, or upload them to some filesharing site http://www.speedyshare.com


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Huge thanks to the following people for helping us so far: DiMiaN, 2Pacalypse-, Voddy,Piraya, Madinho,SynC[gm],Hellscream,Hasske(Wiki)(Wiki)
Rlentless
Profile Joined January 2011
Hong Kong322 Posts
September 16 2014 22:52 GMT
#2
Is it the 200th tournament with money guaranteed or is it just $200 guaranteed. Or maybe its just part of the name..I'm so confused.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
September 16 2014 23:02 GMT
#3
On September 17 2014 07:52 Rlentless wrote:
Is it the 200th tournament with money guaranteed or is it just $200 guaranteed. Or maybe its just part of the name..I'm so confused.

everything !
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 16 2014 23:02 GMT
#4
Its 200 $ USD guaranteed in the prizepool. I open for donations today, so if people are willing to chip in alittle donations, it will only go to increase the prizepool. Remember that every donations help, small or big. The higher prizepool we get, the more active event we get and more prestige. If you want to donate you can transfer to my paypal account : LeifJsandoy@gmail.com

I hope to see you in the tournament aswell

Ps. If other people are confused by that headline, can some admin please fix it ?

Regards

Leif
13Julia
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada231 Posts
September 17 2014 00:06 GMT
#5
"September 15 : League starts"

It's 17th at time of posting. Is it open for playing as of now?

You can play vs anyone or only league players?
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 17 2014 00:29 GMT
#6
Its open for anyone to play now, except you Julia. I wont allowe you to play. You make fake statments about madinho hacking, and your really bm aswell. Your not welcome in any aLc event
castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada759 Posts
September 17 2014 01:30 GMT
#7
very nice tour and format guys
AKA: castle[eMg]@USEast/ iCCup
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
September 17 2014 04:19 GMT
#8
Nice!
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
September 17 2014 04:40 GMT
#9
On September 17 2014 09:06 13Julia wrote:
"September 15 : League starts"

It's 17th at time of posting. Is it open for playing as of now?

You can play vs anyone or only league players?


On September 17 2014 09:29 iamcasey wrote:
Its open for anyone to play now, except you Julia. I wont allowe you to play. You make fake statments about madinho hacking, and your really bm aswell. Your not welcome in any aLc event


That was kind of unprofessional to just post all of that info right here instead of PMing that to him lol...

With that aside, this looks cool and appreciate your contribution to the revival
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 17 2014 06:24 GMT
#10
On September 17 2014 13:40 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 09:06 13Julia wrote:
"September 15 : League starts"

It's 17th at time of posting. Is it open for playing as of now?

You can play vs anyone or only league players?


Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 09:29 iamcasey wrote:
Its open for anyone to play now, except you Julia. I wont allowe you to play. You make fake statments about madinho hacking, and your really bm aswell. Your not welcome in any aLc event


That was kind of unprofessional to just post all of that info right here instead of PMing that to him lol...

With that aside, this looks cool and appreciate your contribution to the revival


Actually i agree with you, and i would not do what i did normaly. But Julia deserves nothing better. He is so bm, espacially when he lose, but making fake rumors that your opponent is a notorius hacker and say that in public, with not a single evidence, well, then i dont care to tell him this either in public.

Anyways, lets not focus on that, enjoy the event, and boys/girls, READ THE RULES. two people already failed to do that and had to reset. I accepted that since we started this just a few hours ago. But its expected that the participant know the rules of the event they participate in, as i said earlier, the punishment will be much harder if people dont follow theese rules because it was boring to read all of them ^^
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 07:13:57
September 17 2014 06:26 GMT
#11
On September 17 2014 09:29 iamcasey wrote:
Its open for anyone to play now, except you Julia. I wont allowe you to play. You make fake statments about madinho hacking, and your really bm aswell. Your not welcome in any aLc event


Woooooooow

lol

He accused me of hacking, too. But I''m not sure how I feel about this.
I see Julia more as a village fool than as some one actually offensive. He just walks around drunk and insults every one who he loses to. And after having accused every member of the town of serious crimes, he can't be taken seriously any more.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6545 Posts
September 17 2014 08:24 GMT
#12
i dont see it in the rules so i will ask here. its ok if i play offrace some games in the ladder stage ?
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 17 2014 08:40 GMT
#13
On September 17 2014 17:24 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i dont see it in the rules so i will ask here. its ok if i play offrace some games in the ladder stage ?


I think it should be. Imo people should be allowed to switch race for every match if they want to.I dont agree that people should be limited to only one race. I think it requires more skills to be able to change race after map/opponent. So i say yes to offracing,racepicking in ladderstage. I think it should be allowed all the time, but i will discuss that with the other admins, since i know people are very splitted regarding this.

But for ladderstage you can safely change race as you want
LV-Hellscream
Profile Joined November 2012
Great Britain154 Posts
September 17 2014 10:35 GMT
#14
why banned Julia? is a rly worth to play with and try to win.
agyaoper
Profile Joined September 2014
Austria5 Posts
September 17 2014 10:59 GMT
#15
--- Nuked ---
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1760 Posts
September 17 2014 11:02 GMT
#16
The map pack doesn't apply to the ladder stage, right? I can play on any iCCup map, as long as I don't do more than 60% of my games on FS?

As it isn't stated anywhere, I assume I can start playing before being accepted into the team.
LML
13Julia
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada231 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 12:23:50
September 17 2014 12:08 GMT
#17
I would advise everyone to lookout for the league as you may be banned without notice.

To prove he is -right- in an -argument- elsewhere he decided to ban me! :D

I accept personal likes/dislikes but one of the ideas of credibility is having an argument over your personal likes.

Rules 101: Don't disagree with casey or you will be banned. If you win vs madinho, you will be banned. If madinho discs you, you will be banned for disconnecting.

+ Show Spoiler +
I wouldn't join this league now even if you revoked that ban, because you're defending an arguable player and are absolutely unpredictable who you will ban next. Else you would just say "nah" and moved on.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
September 17 2014 12:21 GMT
#18
On September 17 2014 20:02 LML wrote:
The map pack doesn't apply to the ladder stage, right? I can play on any iCCup map, as long as I don't do more than 60% of my games on FS?

As it isn't stated anywhere, I assume I can start playing before being accepted into the team.


You can play any map during the ladder stage. Except for too much FS. I asked Casey.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 17 2014 12:38 GMT
#19
On September 17 2014 19:35 LV-Hellscream wrote:
why banned Julia? is a rly worth to play with and try to win.


Because im not intrested in giving liers and badmanners a free pass to any of my events wich i use my own time&money for, especially when he set out rumors about my teammate is hacking, simply cause he cant handle a loss. He accused Voddy for same thing when he lost to him. I want to make something exciting that as many people as possible can enjoy. You had nothing to lose on participating Julia, i have everything from you BM, Hack accusations, refusing to play like you did in MCA tour. I enjoy hosting tours, but i expect people to be atleast alittle thankful for all the work diffrent people around in the comunity does, you are not a person like that Julia, you will never get anything free from me as long as you behave as you do.

End of discussion..
RMuSt
Profile Joined February 2011
Russian Federation178 Posts
September 17 2014 12:43 GMT
#20
can i smurf?
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 13:01:58
September 17 2014 13:01 GMT
#21
On September 17 2014 21:43 RMuSt wrote:
can i smurf?


No smurfing is not allowed sorry. ytong&quantel forgot this and i overlooked it in a moment of heat. They will have to change back to their regulary aka`s. I will allow them to trasnfer their stats that they have right now since we just started and i know their games are legit.

Sign up with the name your most know of. Good luck
13Julia
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada231 Posts
September 17 2014 13:48 GMT
#22
Because im not intrested in giving liers and badmanners a free pass to any of my events wich i use my own time&money for, especially when he set out rumors about my teammate is hacking, simply cause he cant handle a loss. He accused Voddy for same thing when he lost to him. I want to make something exciting that as many people as possible can enjoy. You had nothing to lose on participating Julia, i have everything from you BM, Hack accusations, refusing to play like you did in MCA tour. I enjoy hosting tours, but i expect people to be atleast alittle thankful for all the work diffrent people around in the comunity does, you are not a person like that Julia, you will never get anything free from me as long as you behave as you do.


You had no arguments, so you decided to ban me. It just proves I'm right about certain players you're protecting thoughtless.

Are you talking about the same mca tour where I was in group with TT and Bony, and when Bonyth realized that he can't advance from such a group, they moved me to another group and gave him d-level playes, so he could advance? (he was donating money)

Or is it the mca tour where I win legit, and three Bulgarian players after repeted loses to my off-race decided to gang complain vs me to mca, who said they are wrong anyway. Yes, that is so fair play alc way.

Or is it the manner players which I do have some screenshots where they act 10x worse than me? xd
Why look: http://oi57.tinypic.com/2z3vz0p.jpg it's one of your manner casters. I have more since you're all the same - pretending you're manner most of the time. Don't spread lies about me.
normal
Profile Joined May 2006
Hungary22 Posts
September 17 2014 14:21 GMT
#23
I am delighted to see this event. Kudos to the organizers. It may be only me who does not understand but I would ask an organizer (e.g. Casey) to clear up some things:

- First one is the tournament format. As far as I understand there is a ladder stage (league?) in the tournament, then there are two qualifiers (double-elimination?) for players at the top16 and between 17-32 places. I don't get where the group stage will be though.

-The second is the map pool. Is it mandatory to play these maps even throughout the ladder stage?

I think restricting the number of times you can play vs the same player is a bit outdated, given that we are lucky to get c- or above ranks joining our game. Thanks again for organizing the league!
Your violence, young prodigal, is typical. As is your inablility to comprehend the greater scheme of things ... your universe will be changed... forever.
Siz)Beggar
Profile Joined May 2008
United States339 Posts
September 17 2014 14:25 GMT
#24
this is his league julia he can do whatever he wants if he doesnt want to allow a person like yourself to join he is more than allowed just like how lrm)game didnt allow scan to play in any isl following the first its your fault for being a bm idiot
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9493 Posts
September 17 2014 14:51 GMT
#25
If you have an issue with his decision Julia, take it to the PMs please.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
September 17 2014 15:02 GMT
#26
On September 17 2014 23:21 normal wrote:
I am delighted to see this event. Kudos to the organizers. It may be only me who does not understand but I would ask an organizer (e.g. Casey) to clear up some things:

- First one is the tournament format. As far as I understand there is a ladder stage (league?) in the tournament, then there are two qualifiers (double-elimination?) for players at the top16 and between 17-32 places. I don't get where the group stage will be though.

-The second is the map pool. Is it mandatory to play these maps even throughout the ladder stage?

I think restricting the number of times you can play vs the same player is a bit outdated, given that we are lucky to get c- or above ranks joining our game. Thanks again for organizing the league!


You can play anything during the ladder stage. Just not too much Fighting Spirit.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
normal
Profile Joined May 2006
Hungary22 Posts
September 17 2014 15:22 GMT
#27
On September 18 2014 00:02 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 23:21 normal wrote:
I am delighted to see this event. Kudos to the organizers. It may be only me who does not understand but I would ask an organizer (e.g. Casey) to clear up some things:

- First one is the tournament format. As far as I understand there is a ladder stage (league?) in the tournament, then there are two qualifiers (double-elimination?) for players at the top16 and between 17-32 places. I don't get where the group stage will be though.

-The second is the map pool. Is it mandatory to play these maps even throughout the ladder stage?

I think restricting the number of times you can play vs the same player is a bit outdated, given that we are lucky to get c- or above ranks joining our game. Thanks again for organizing the league!


You can play anything during the ladder stage. Just not too much Fighting Spirit.


I'm so glad, 60% is still too much IMHO. Yeah I know it's a good map.
Your violence, young prodigal, is typical. As is your inablility to comprehend the greater scheme of things ... your universe will be changed... forever.
13Julia
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada231 Posts
September 17 2014 16:06 GMT
#28
On September 17 2014 23:51 2Pacalypse- wrote:
If you have an issue with his decision Julia, take it to the PMs please.


He spreads lies publicly, I can reply to it publicly. Simple as that. I've no issue with that decision - it's his league, I've got issue with him spreading false information about me.
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1538 Posts
September 17 2014 16:41 GMT
#29
"Leaving before the 2 minute mark due to any disadvantage will be heavily punished."

Actually Iccup admin could fix that by giving a loss after 1min30 just as they did on fish.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
marwin
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine109 Posts
September 17 2014 17:25 GMT
#30
I'm looking forward to a new team league, really miss that time of sbwi or gambit cup leagues.
Du kan om du vill...
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 17 2014 17:29 GMT
#31
On September 17 2014 23:21 normal wrote:
I am delighted to see this event. Kudos to the organizers. It may be only me who does not understand but I would ask an organizer (e.g. Casey) to clear up some things:

- First one is the tournament format. As far as I understand there is a ladder stage (league?) in the tournament, then there are two qualifiers (double-elimination?) for players at the top16 and between 17-32 places. I don't get where the group stage will be though.

-The second is the map pool. Is it mandatory to play these maps even throughout the ladder stage?

I think restricting the number of times you can play vs the same player is a bit outdated, given that we are lucky to get c- or above ranks joining our game. Thanks again for organizing the league!



Hi !

Its correct that its a ladder stage first, this will last until 18 October, and you may play any map you want until then, as long as it is in the iCCup mappack. when the ladder stage end this day the top 32 players will advance to group stage. ( what dont you understand ? Wich site we will use to make the groups ?

Regarding the restrict of how many games you can play vs same person in one day, if it turns out to be hard to get games like it often is without any even going on, then we will re consider this. But hopefully people are motivated to play more now as there is money involved. When we first speak about money, those who want to donate to make the prizepool larger, there is now a paypal link in the news on the first page of this thread. All donations are welcome, small or big dont matter, everything helps, the larger prizepool we manage to gather the better this event will be. More games, players. We can already see the potential of this event, more and more high level players are entering, and i know there is even more to come.

I hope you got the answears you were looking for Enjoy the show
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 17 2014 17:31 GMT
#32
On September 18 2014 02:25 marwin wrote:
I'm looking forward to a new team league, really miss that time of sbwi or gambit cup leagues.


Is there any plans of another teamleague that i have not heard of ? I would love to participate in a league like SBWI or GC
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
September 17 2014 18:12 GMT
#33
On September 18 2014 02:29 iamcasey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 23:21 normal wrote:
I am delighted to see this event. Kudos to the organizers. It may be only me who does not understand but I would ask an organizer (e.g. Casey) to clear up some things:

- First one is the tournament format. As far as I understand there is a ladder stage (league?) in the tournament, then there are two qualifiers (double-elimination?) for players at the top16 and between 17-32 places. I don't get where the group stage will be though.

-The second is the map pool. Is it mandatory to play these maps even throughout the ladder stage?

I think restricting the number of times you can play vs the same player is a bit outdated, given that we are lucky to get c- or above ranks joining our game. Thanks again for organizing the league!



Hi !

Its correct that its a ladder stage first, this will last until 18 October, and you may play any map you want until then, as long as it is in the iCCup mappack. when the ladder stage end this day the top 32 players will advance to group stage. ( what dont you understand ? Wich site we will use to make the groups ?

Regarding the restrict of how many games you can play vs same person in one day, if it turns out to be hard to get games like it often is without any even going on, then we will re consider this. But hopefully people are motivated to play more now as there is money involved. When we first speak about money, those who want to donate to make the prizepool larger, there is now a paypal link in the news on the first page of this thread. All donations are welcome, small or big dont matter, everything helps, the larger prizepool we manage to gather the better this event will be. More games, players. We can already see the potential of this event, more and more high level players are entering, and i know there is even more to come.

I hope you got the answears you were looking for Enjoy the show


Depending on where you end on the ladder, you start at different places in the group stage. Just clearing that up for people.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1538 Posts
September 17 2014 19:19 GMT
#34
I can't create any game with your maps, "a game by that name already exist"
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 17 2014 19:44 GMT
#35
On September 18 2014 04:19 iFU.pauline wrote:
I can't create any game with your maps, "a game by that name already exist"


Koreans maps, and they are bugged. I will remake another mappack tonight. meanwhile u can dl them for tl or somewhere
normal
Profile Joined May 2006
Hungary22 Posts
September 17 2014 20:03 GMT
#36
On September 18 2014 02:29 iamcasey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 23:21 normal wrote:
I am delighted to see this event. Kudos to the organizers. It may be only me who does not understand but I would ask an organizer (e.g. Casey) to clear up some things:

- First one is the tournament format. As far as I understand there is a ladder stage (league?) in the tournament, then there are two qualifiers (double-elimination?) for players at the top16 and between 17-32 places. I don't get where the group stage will be though.

-The second is the map pool. Is it mandatory to play these maps even throughout the ladder stage?

I think restricting the number of times you can play vs the same player is a bit outdated, given that we are lucky to get c- or above ranks joining our game. Thanks again for organizing the league!



Hi !

Its correct that its a ladder stage first, this will last until 18 October, and you may play any map you want until then, as long as it is in the iCCup mappack. when the ladder stage end this day the top 32 players will advance to group stage. ( what dont you understand ? Wich site we will use to make the groups ?

Regarding the restrict of how many games you can play vs same person in one day, if it turns out to be hard to get games like it often is without any even going on, then we will re consider this. But hopefully people are motivated to play more now as there is money involved. When we first speak about money, those who want to donate to make the prizepool larger, there is now a paypal link in the news on the first page of this thread. All donations are welcome, small or big dont matter, everything helps, the larger prizepool we manage to gather the better this event will be. More games, players. We can already see the potential of this event, more and more high level players are entering, and i know there is even more to come.

I hope you got the answears you were looking for Enjoy the show

Thanks. I agree that some will be more motivated to play, hopefully more people will show up at higher ranks. Unfortunately I still don't get what the format will be after the ladder stage. Is it going to be a double-elimination bracket (qualifiers?, as stated in the OP) or a group stage round robin style?
Your violence, young prodigal, is typical. As is your inablility to comprehend the greater scheme of things ... your universe will be changed... forever.
mesijateam
Profile Joined August 2014
Russian Federation2 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-18 05:50:31
September 18 2014 05:50 GMT
#37
we can play ladder only on map pool maps?
sas.ZaRaki
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-18 10:20:02
September 18 2014 10:19 GMT
#38
On September 18 2014 14:50 mesijateam wrote:
we can play ladder only on map pool maps?


''To prevent everyone from only playing Fighting Spirit, we made a rule that only allows you to play Fighting Spirit for a maximum 60% of your ladder games''.

Other than that you can play any map on iCCup map pack for ladder stage.
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1760 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-18 12:00:27
September 18 2014 11:59 GMT
#39
iCCup Team chatbox
IMPORTANT : Do not play over 50% Fighting spirit, there will be alot of games, and watching 200 games on FS will be extremly boring. Also, its good for everyone to prepare for the qualification maps.

TL.net OP
To prevent everyone from only playing Fighting Spirit, we made a rule that only allows you to play Fighting Spirit for a maximum 60% of your ladder games.
LML
trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
September 18 2014 12:18 GMT
#40
LML you gag!
yo~.~
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1760 Posts
September 18 2014 12:39 GMT
#41
On September 18 2014 21:18 trutaCz wrote:
LML you gag!


on what?
LML
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
September 18 2014 20:09 GMT
#42
I'm the one who told Scan about this tournament.
Assuming he's allowed to play in it, you have me to thank for when he beats all of your asses.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-18 20:16:21
September 18 2014 20:13 GMT
#43
i thought LRM)Game was blacklisted on Teamliquid and ICCup? How can he stream this event then? or isnt he anymore? Questions over Questions
Broodwar for life!
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 18 2014 20:21 GMT
#44
On September 19 2014 05:13 Cele wrote:
i thought LRM)Game was blacklisted on Teamliquid and ICCup? How can he stream this event then? or isnt he anymore? Questions over Questions


He is not allowed to play on iCCup, he have nothing do to with Teamliquid.Net he he is simply just casting the event. S0ldi3r have been notified about it and said its ok. And even if it was a problem, he could simply cast the matches without even log into iCCup.
Nb.vesk0
Profile Joined September 2013
Bulgaria23 Posts
September 18 2014 20:30 GMT
#45
im gonna win that shit :D
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
September 18 2014 20:56 GMT
#46
On September 19 2014 05:21 iamcasey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2014 05:13 Cele wrote:
i thought LRM)Game was blacklisted on Teamliquid and ICCup? How can he stream this event then? or isnt he anymore? Questions over Questions


He is not allowed to play on iCCup, he have nothing do to with Teamliquid.Net he he is simply just casting the event. S0ldi3r have been notified about it and said its ok. And even if it was a problem, he could simply cast the matches without even log into iCCup.


kaykay i see (;
Broodwar for life!
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 19 2014 04:11 GMT
#47
Alchemy League stage day 1 streamed ny LRM)Game now on Twitch.tv/lrmgame
LV-Hellscream
Profile Joined November 2012
Great Britain154 Posts
September 19 2014 04:23 GMT
#48
what u mean blacklisted, nobody should be blacklisted ever in broodwar, it specially people like GAME, people who keep Broodwar alive
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
September 19 2014 06:51 GMT
#49
looks like fun! :D
FuryDrone
Profile Joined April 2012
16 Posts
September 19 2014 13:29 GMT
#50
On September 17 2014 21:38 iamcasey wrote:
Because im not intrested in giving liers and badmanners a free pass to any of my events wich i use my own time&money for


Well, that is true, but there is also donation option, so you probably should behave more responsibly.

Also it is really unprofessional to just ban players on your wish or becouse of your personal reasons/dislikies. Many players are bm, probably some of the other participant as well. You should have just added a more precise paragraph concerning bm to the rules and make sure that players are punished accordingly to it.

Speaking of rules, if you can ban whoever you want, there should be a notice about it in the rules.
No offence, but keep it a bit more professional.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 19 2014 15:54 GMT
#51
We are adults, and let’s also act like it. Creating more work for admins will result in a waste of time for us and the event will suffer for this. That‘s in no one‘s interest. It‘s more than enough work already, and my patience with handling brats is very limited.

Leaving before the 2 minute mark due to any disadvantage will be heavily punished.
Disconnecting because of a loss/disadvantage will be heavily punished.
Floating buildings around the map only to waste time will be punished.

Some bad manners we can all live with, but racism and/or hardcore bm will be heavily punished and might result in a disqualification.


I feel i made it pretty clear here what i think of people who dont manage to behave. Yes there will always be some bm, and as i said, we can live with it to a to a certain extent. What i want is simply to make an event that people can enjoy and be excited about. I wont ban anyone who is a little bm, but there is a line you should not cross, and Julia crossed that line long time ago, its a big diffrence in being bm, wich i could have lived with even from Julia, but claiming that people using hacks, and tru to convince the whole comunity about it without any evidence at all is something i wont tolerate. Its not the first time Julia does this, he have been after Madinho for a long time, aswell as he accused Voddy for the same thing. Im not intresed in discussing Julia anymore, i stated my opinion and made my choice.

So far the prize pool is donated by me,Voddy,Piraya and Madinho. You are right that there is an donation option for those who want to contribute. But that is each and everyone`s choice. If someone dont like the way i manage my events, they can simply decide not to contribute. I spend my own money and time to make something good for the comunity, i consider others opinions, i already adapted to some aspects of the event, but i have some rules that i wont change my mind about, like it or not.

We cant agree on everything, but you simply have to accept how i choose to host my evnents or decide for yourself that you dont want to take part in it

FuryDrone
Profile Joined April 2012
16 Posts
September 19 2014 21:10 GMT
#52
I wont ban anyone who is a little bm, but there is a line you should not cross, and Julia crossed that line long time ago


It is a bit ironic that you talk like that, ban for such reasons (bm in past) and simultaneusly cooperate with Game in the very same event.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 19 2014 23:25 GMT
#53
On September 19 2014 22:29 FuryDrone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 21:38 iamcasey wrote:
Because im not intrested in giving liers and badmanners a free pass to any of my events wich i use my own time&money for


Well, that is true, but there is also donation option, so you probably should behave more responsibly.

Also it is really unprofessional to just ban players on your wish or becouse of your personal reasons/dislikies.
Speaking of rules, if you can ban whoever you want, there should be a notice about it in the rules.
No offence, but keep it a bit more professional.


First you tell me that im unprofessional for banning people for my own personal reasons/dislikes. ( You dont know what problems i have with Julia and not )

In your next post you find it ironic that i cooperate with Game, because you obviously dont like him and obvious have something against him. Are you aware that you are doing exactly the same as you claim i do ?

Continue posting here, but i wont go into a discussion with a troll who have no idea about what he is talking about, and only try to provoke. I suggest you try find yourself an hobby or atleast something else to do then talk shit about someone who try to do something good that benefits the whole comunity. People like you are simply just bad for the comunity.
DepressedOne
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 17:44:11
September 20 2014 16:44 GMT
#54
A cast of some ladder stage games of the Alchemy Tour will be starting at 21:00 CET. Be sure to tune in! Expect some games that will make you fall off the edge of your seat!
Me sad.
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
September 20 2014 17:03 GMT
#55
Submit calendar event plz?
En Taro Violet
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 20 2014 17:16 GMT
#56
On September 21 2014 02:03 Stratos wrote:
Submit calendar event plz?


Done
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
September 20 2014 21:08 GMT
#57
I'm excited to see some high level brood war, gentlemen~
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
iCCup.JiN
Profile Joined July 2014
Russian Federation51 Posts
September 20 2014 22:08 GMT
#58
gogogo 1 place LANCERX !
okee
ZeTy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru7 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 06:57:17
September 22 2014 03:34 GMT
#59
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria484 Posts
September 22 2014 08:54 GMT
#60
Is there a deadline for signing up for this? I might not be able to sign up before Sunday 28th that is why I am asking. Also good initiative!
music is the best thing in the world
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 22 2014 10:55 GMT
#61
Thank you No deadline, you can join all the way until ladder stage ends. You can join now and just have your account in rooster, ready for you when you can play.
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria484 Posts
September 22 2014 15:19 GMT
#62
Alright, made an account and sent a join request, thanks
music is the best thing in the world
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 22 2014 16:05 GMT
#63
Accepted. I encourage you to read the rules. There have been several situatopms where players broke rules simply cause they diddent bother reading the rules for the tour
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 22 2014 19:24 GMT
#64
My caster have some technical problems.. We are trying to fix it.. Im very sorry
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 22 2014 19:41 GMT
#65
Its fixedm we are getting ready now
DiMiaN
Profile Joined October 2013
Finland299 Posts
September 22 2014 22:17 GMT
#66
Looks like Sziky is on fire on the ladder. I hope he will break the 2nd place curse this tournament!
LV-Hellscream
Profile Joined November 2012
Great Britain154 Posts
September 23 2014 01:04 GMT
#67
sziky lost to nemu and eonzerg only so far. seems eonzergs tvz isn't bad
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
September 23 2014 06:41 GMT
#68
still so much drama potential for bw to tap in
CaStrO
Profile Joined April 2008
Peru136 Posts
September 23 2014 18:20 GMT
#69
i can join ?
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 23 2014 20:34 GMT
#70
On September 24 2014 03:20 CaStrO wrote:
i can join ?


Yes you can, all the information you need can be found in this thread.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 23 2014 20:36 GMT
#71
On September 23 2014 10:04 LV-Hellscream wrote:
sziky lost to nemu and eonzerg only so far. seems eonzergs tvz isn't bad


What am i missing here. Have eOn switched to Terran, or is he doing it just for fun ?
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 24 2014 01:52 GMT
#72
Stream schedule updated

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/467329-alchemy-league-ladderstage-streams

The schedule will be updated regulary, so be sure to check it out so you dont miss any cast, if you missed a cast or diddent have the chance to watch it live, you dont need to worry. All casts are recorded and can be found in the stream thread.
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1760 Posts
September 24 2014 08:10 GMT
#73
On September 23 2014 10:04 LV-Hellscream wrote:
sziky lost to nemu and eonzerg only so far. seems eonzergs tvz isn't bad


The game didn't even last 5 minutes..
LML
kevva
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden85 Posts
September 24 2014 10:41 GMT
#74
On September 24 2014 05:36 iamcasey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2014 10:04 LV-Hellscream wrote:
sziky lost to nemu and eonzerg only so far. seems eonzergs tvz isn't bad


What am i missing here. Have eOn switched to Terran, or is he doing it just for fun ?


He plays some TvZ instead of ZvZ I guess. He did it against me too.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1593 Posts
September 24 2014 19:27 GMT
#75
Live @ http://www.twitch.tv/lrmgame
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 25 2014 13:12 GMT
#76
DepressedOne will be casting matches from the ladder stage today 25.09 17:00CET Only in one week there have been played 1500 games in the ladderstages. We worked our way trough a big part of them last night,to ensure that we can show you the best games from the ladderstage. Prepare yourself for a weekend with some good casts and some great matches between the top players from ICCup.

Voddy will be joining DepressedOne On Friday to co host, they will do a special cast, before they start casting matches they will discussing players,maps,results and more.

DepressedOne will keep it going Saturday&Sunday aswell. Enjoy a weekend filled with quality casts&matches of our favorite game.

Stream link : http://www.twitch.tv/julyzurg
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 27 2014 14:44 GMT
#77
Stream chedule updated for next week : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/467329-alchemy-league-ladderstage-streams
Belladona
Profile Joined July 2009
Chile127 Posts
September 28 2014 02:47 GMT
#78
I'm sorry I wanted to smurf but I don't wanna be banned from further events
ex ToT, ESC, mouz
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria484 Posts
September 28 2014 11:46 GMT
#79
Ok, let me get this straight, during the ladder stage I can play whatever map I want right? Because I've been playing mostly maps from the league's map pool. And also now I have normal internet + keyboard, beware infidels!
music is the best thing in the world
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
September 28 2014 15:41 GMT
#80
On September 28 2014 20:46 BulgarianToss wrote:
Ok, let me get this straight, during the ladder stage I can play whatever map I want right? Because I've been playing mostly maps from the league's map pool. And also now I have normal internet + keyboard, beware infidels!


Yes, you can.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-29 00:43:33
September 28 2014 23:58 GMT
#81
Next cast Monday 29.09 19:00CET @ http://www.twitch.tv/julyzurg
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10115 Posts
September 29 2014 18:38 GMT
#82
Inspired by Alpha-np- but " not intrested in giving liers and badmanners a free pass" LOL

That's gotta be one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
September 29 2014 20:05 GMT
#83
Here's a Liquipedia link for you to work with

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Alchemy_League

Of course, feel free to edit it however you want, it's your league after all.
twitch.tv/dizzywee
DepressedOne
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States190 Posts
September 29 2014 22:31 GMT
#84
ah sorry for no cast on monday. many apologies. That is my fault, not casey's.
Me sad.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 30 2014 15:05 GMT
#85
On September 30 2014 05:05 SynC[gm] wrote:
Here's a Liquipedia link for you to work with

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Alchemy_League

Of course, feel free to edit it however you want, it's your league after all.


Thx, much appriciated
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
September 30 2014 18:48 GMT
#86
Any help with filling out the liquipedia thread is much appriciated, i can do alot my self now after Sunc[GM] made the template. but il still a newb in liquipedia so i use alot of time to make it.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 01 2014 00:16 GMT
#87
There have been changes in the format for the qualifiers. Check the thread under : Format to update yourself on the new changes
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
October 01 2014 00:33 GMT
#88
This needs more hype! It's BW people!
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
sas.ZaRaki
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain199 Posts
October 01 2014 06:54 GMT
#89
this is being so funny !
I encourage more people to play!
is there any way to tie with that new point system? i just wake up and i suck at maths xD
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 01 2014 09:23 GMT
#90
On October 01 2014 15:54 sas.ZaRaki wrote:
this is being so funny !
I encourage more people to play!
is there any way to tie with that new point system? i just wake up and i suck at maths xD


In the group stage, every player plays a best of 3 vs all other members of his group.
During this stage, the first map is always Mist. After that, the loser picks.
Two players advance from each group based on the amounts of wins and losses, leaving 16 players.

A win gives 2 points, and a loss takes away 1 point.
If there is an even number of points between more than two players, there will be tiebreaker games,
in which the players who have the same amount of points all play each other
in best of one games. The same rules for scoring apply: +2 points for a win, -1 for a loss.
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
October 01 2014 10:37 GMT
#91
I would appreciate it, if you could clean up the OP, because the given information is inconsistent.
On September 17 2014 07:32 iamcasey wrote:
These 16 players then compete in a single elimination bracket.
They are placed based on how many points they got during the group stage,
as shown in this example:

http://binarybeast.com/xCODBO1011200

Points gained from tiebreaker games do not count towards this placement.
If two or more players have the same amount of points,
the player with the higher ladder qualification spot gets the higher numbered spot.
All rounds are best of 3 until the finals, which are best of 5

The rounds have the following starting maps, after which the loser picks:
Round of 32:Fighting Spirit
Round of 16: Mist
Round of 8: Overwatch
Round of 4: Queen's Bridge
Round of 2: Outsider

Why does a 16 player single elimination bracket have a Ro32 map?


[image loading]

September 17 : League starts
October 18 : League Ends
October 26 : First qualifier 17:00, Starting map: Mist
November 2: Second qualifier 17:00, Starting map: Neo Overwatch 2.0
November 9: Finals 19:00, Starting map: Fighting Spirit

Assuming the first qualifier is the group stage and the second is the single elimination bracket, this doesn't add up to the starting maps given above. At what time zone at 17:00 will be the qualifiers?


Players are not allowed to pick the same map twice during qualification&finals

Does this mean, you are not allowed to pick the same map versus different opponents during the whole single elimination stage up to the finals?
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 17:57:42
October 01 2014 14:59 GMT
#92
On October 01 2014 19:37 Cryoc wrote:
I would appreciate it, if you could clean up the OP, because the given information is inconsistent.
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 07:32 iamcasey wrote:
These 16 players then compete in a single elimination bracket.
They are placed based on how many points they got during the group stage,
as shown in this example:

http://binarybeast.com/xCODBO1011200

Points gained from tiebreaker games do not count towards this placement.
If two or more players have the same amount of points,
the player with the higher ladder qualification spot gets the higher numbered spot.
All rounds are best of 3 until the finals, which are best of 5

The rounds have the following starting maps, after which the loser picks:
Round of 32:Fighting Spirit
Round of 16: Mist
Round of 8: Overwatch
Round of 4: Queen's Bridge
Round of 2: Outsider

Why does a 16 player single elimination bracket have a Ro32 map?

Show nested quote +

[image loading]

September 17 : League starts
October 18 : League Ends
October 26 : First qualifier 17:00, Starting map: Mist
November 2: Second qualifier 17:00, Starting map: Neo Overwatch 2.0
November 9: Finals 19:00, Starting map: Fighting Spirit

Assuming the first qualifier is the group stage and the second is the single elimination bracket, this doesn't add up to the starting maps given above. At what time zone at 17:00 will be the qualifiers?

Show nested quote +

Players are not allowed to pick the same map twice during qualification&finals

Does this mean, you are not allowed to pick the same map versus different opponents during the whole single elimination stage up to the finals?


Topic should be fixed now and more understandable
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 02 2014 13:48 GMT
#93
On September 28 2014 11:47 Belladona wrote:
I'm sorry I wanted to smurf but I don't wanna be banned from further events


Yet you got caught, sad cheater. And even asking for permission to smurf after he is caught, because he wanted to see if he could compete with the best, but he is so good that everyone dodges him allready so he need smurf..Patetich
WhiteKnight.US
Profile Joined May 2014
Great Britain102 Posts
October 02 2014 19:00 GMT
#94
On October 02 2014 22:48 iamcasey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 11:47 Belladona wrote:
I'm sorry I wanted to smurf but I don't wanna be banned from further events


Yet you got caught, sad cheater. And even asking for permission to smurf after he is caught, because he wanted to see if he could compete with the best, but he is so good that everyone dodges him allready so he need smurf..Patetich

Belladona this guy obviously doesn't know how good you are.
Belladona
Profile Joined July 2009
Chile127 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-02 19:29:21
October 02 2014 19:25 GMT
#95
It's not what I said. I said that my 1v1 is rusty and I wanted to smurf. I have no idea what you having against me, seriously, but I wish you the best.

Also, no, I posted this on a date and I didn't know anything so don't make anything up, if "I GOT CAUGHT" for "Smurfing" it was after the date I posted.

Do not go around writing bad stuff like your chatbox "I gave Belladona a chance", I told you some actitudes of your teammates didn't go along with me, you thought your way and I differ of them so I told you I was gonna leave, which I did... You were a nice person, stick with that and don't go around with these bad words.
Kind regards.

Inbow message:
Original Message From Belladona:
Hello casey,

Can I be an exception about this smurfing rule?, you as the admin have the last word on every rule obviously, so it's pretty much up to you. The reason is quite obvious, and I wanna try out to see if i can compete again or i'm too rusty.

Thanks in advance,
kindest regards.
___________________________________
Original Message From iamcasey:
Nice rumors your spread about alc after i kicked you. mad will leave with scan to make their own team, lol
ex ToT, ESC, mouz
vTv.Marine
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
October 02 2014 19:26 GMT
#96
do i need to literally email replay right after each of my game? or can i, for example, send every day or every 2 days in a .zip/rar ?
Hows it going guys, long time no see
Belladona
Profile Joined July 2009
Chile127 Posts
October 02 2014 19:32 GMT
#97
@ ICCup AL League chatbox:
iamcaseytoday @ 12:28 CET
AL-realeyes banned for smurfing, lowlife Belladona


Seems the day of the "caught" was today, and I apologized before it, yet you feel the need to say "lowlife"... that doesn't talk well about you...
ex ToT, ESC, mouz
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 02 2014 20:49 GMT
#98
On September 28 2014 11:47 Belladona wrote:
I'm sorry I wanted to smurf but I don't wanna be banned from further events


So much for your words
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10115 Posts
October 03 2014 03:15 GMT
#99
Hey guys, no BM!

Except admin, admin can BM all he wants.

Oh wait, that's true everywhere. Such is life.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 06 2014 01:37 GMT
#100
Monday: 22:30 CET @ http://www.twitch.tv/julyzurg
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-06 12:32:03
October 06 2014 10:24 GMT
#101
Is there anyone who are good with Liquipedia and would be willing to help edit this : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/User:SynC(gm)/Alchemy_League

Im pretty noob with Liquipedia, and i have more then enough work already so i have no chance learning how to use liqupedia properly. I would be very thankful for any help. i will provide you with as most possible content.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
October 06 2014 12:24 GMT
#102
What do you pay?

Also #liquipedia @ Quake.net IRC (link @ Liquipedia Main Page for Webclient)
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-06 12:39:21
October 06 2014 12:38 GMT
#103
On October 06 2014 21:24 GeckoXp wrote:
What do you pay?

Also #liquipedia @ Quake.net IRC (link @ Liquipedia Main Page for Webclient)


The money i intend to spend on this event are going to the prizepool. I hope some people are willing to help out a little bit for the love of the game, the comunity and not demanding money for helping out.

I understand it might be much work but i will be happy for any sort of help, i dont expect to much, but its wort a try atleast. Anyways, i wont pay anyone for helping.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
October 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#104
http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=#liquipedia

superior to public questions for the tournament. Not going to lie,the wiki code itself isn't the problem, it's the cheesy presentation and other related stuff, as can be seen in the history tab remarks by Chapa.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 06 2014 17:31 GMT
#105
On October 06 2014 22:38 GeckoXp wrote:
http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=#liquipedia

superior to public questions for the tournament. Not going to lie,the wiki code itself isn't the problem, it's the cheesy presentation and other related stuff, as can be seen in the history tab remarks by Chapa.



Ah ok. I can understand why you would take money for something like that. To be honest, it would be really nice to have one for team, but im afraid it cant offer what you expect. Thx for the offer though
ChapatiyaqPTSM
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1887 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-06 17:35:06
October 06 2014 17:34 GMT
#106
The Idea
By an initiative of myself, this post was born. I wanted to explain how a page can get better by removing the fluff.

Introduction
Hi!
I am ChapatiyaqPTSM, here to tell you things. "What can those things be?" you say. Well let me tell you. Just think about a standard Wikipedia page. Do you think people write like that in their articles? No. Same goes for Liquipedia.


In this spoiler, is a quick analysis of the rest of the Liquipedia page (Wiki)User:SynC(gm)/Alchemy League in its current state:
+ Show Spoiler +
Introduction
Stick to the facts, remove the fluff. You can mention that part of the prize pool comes from donations, but Liquipedia is not a place to ask for donations (very close to advertising, so no-no). It's not a place to recruit people.

Rules
Rules are acceptable, but not necessary, really.

Tournament Information
Prize pool table -> OK
Personal excitement -> not information
Trying to recruit people again -> not information
Asking for donations a little too much, again -> not information

Schedule
OK

Map Pool
OK

Credits
No credits because they are personal. An acceptable alternative is a table of the organization, mentioning each member and their role, as long as it is not too big.

Racial Distribution
OK

External links
OK


The general idea is when writing for the main space of Liquipedia, you are not yourself, you are Liquipedia. That means no opinion, no personal shoutout, no first-person sentence. Stick to the information. Look at any other Liquipedia tournament page, and see how it is different from your page. Keep the personal things for the TL thread.
LiquipediaBoy, these pretzels are makin' me thirsty.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
October 06 2014 18:01 GMT
#107
On October 07 2014 02:31 iamcasey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 22:38 GeckoXp wrote:
http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=#liquipedia

superior to public questions for the tournament. Not going to lie,the wiki code itself isn't the problem, it's the cheesy presentation and other related stuff, as can be seen in the history tab remarks by Chapa.



Ah ok. I can understand why you would take money for something like that. To be honest, it would be really nice to have one for team, but im afraid it cant offer what you expect. Thx for the offer though


What? This channel is for free help. You type your nickname and enter, ask question and get help live. The editing is up to you - or you can convince anyone to edit for you there. People in that channel are helpful.

Not sure if serious or just a little too thick on your end about the money.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 06 2014 19:45 GMT
#108
On October 07 2014 03:01 GeckoXp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 02:31 iamcasey wrote:
On October 06 2014 22:38 GeckoXp wrote:
http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=#liquipedia

superior to public questions for the tournament. Not going to lie,the wiki code itself isn't the problem, it's the cheesy presentation and other related stuff, as can be seen in the history tab remarks by Chapa.



Ah ok. I can understand why you would take money for something like that. To be honest, it would be really nice to have one for team, but im afraid it cant offer what you expect. Thx for the offer though


What? This channel is for free help. You type your nickname and enter, ask question and get help live. The editing is up to you - or you can convince anyone to edit for you there. People in that channel are helpful.

Not sure if serious or just a little too thick on your end about the money.



I really have no idea how the quake.net/irc really works. And its not my top priority, i try to make a decent event with the limited knowledge i have of hosting events and manage everything that needs to be done, it was alot more then i expected. I would love to have a liquipedia, aswell as someone writing some news article. But my knowledge here is very limited, so i ask for help here at tl.net forum, i know there is people capable to help out, if they are willing to contribute is another question. But be sure, i wont start paying people to help me with this. ( Unless i asked for someone to do some really advanced work ) I spend my own money on this, alot of my time, and hopefully someone else decide to contribute aswell, for the love of BW and not for money.

Thx for the offer, but this project is not so serious that i will start using money on a techcrew. I belive its possible to host this or some similar event every season, and even make a higher prizepool. Im willing to give it another try later, but it will require that i have more people helping me, cause atm this is to much time consuming, and if i diddent have as much spare time as i do atm, i would never be able to manage this.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 06 2014 19:46 GMT
#109
On October 07 2014 02:34 ChapatiyaqPTSM wrote:
The Idea
By an initiative of myself, this post was born. I wanted to explain how a page can get better by removing the fluff.

Introduction
Hi!
I am ChapatiyaqPTSM, here to tell you things. "What can those things be?" you say. Well let me tell you. Just think about a standard Wikipedia page. Do you think people write like that in their articles? No. Same goes for Liquipedia.


In this spoiler, is a quick analysis of the rest of the Liquipedia page (Wiki)User:SynC(gm)/Alchemy League in its current state:
+ Show Spoiler +
Introduction
Stick to the facts, remove the fluff. You can mention that part of the prize pool comes from donations, but Liquipedia is not a place to ask for donations (very close to advertising, so no-no). It's not a place to recruit people.

Rules
Rules are acceptable, but not necessary, really.

Tournament Information
Prize pool table -> OK
Personal excitement -> not information
Trying to recruit people again -> not information
Asking for donations a little too much, again -> not information

Schedule

Understood. Though i need someone to help me make the liquipedia, or il have to wait until the event is done, there is no way i can find time to do this atm.
OK

Map Pool
OK

Credits
No credits because they are personal. An acceptable alternative is a table of the organization, mentioning each member and their role, as long as it is not too big.

Racial Distribution
OK

External links
OK


The general idea is when writing for the main space of Liquipedia, you are not yourself, you are Liquipedia. That means no opinion, no personal shoutout, no first-person sentence. Stick to the information. Look at any other Liquipedia tournament page, and see how it is different from your page. Keep the personal things for the TL thread.

GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
October 06 2014 19:48 GMT
#110
:stark:

Forget about the payment part. If you go to the link I sent you, type in ANY nickname you'll findyourself in IRC. There you can ask ALL editors of ALL wikis to help you out. Seriously, it's as easy as it gets. Ordinary B-net is nothing but IRC with a different look. A monkey can do that.

Maybe you find someone nice enough to clean up the page in the IRC chan. If that's too much for you, cause you're super busy with organizing this event, then you should reconsider if you really do organize at all.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 06 2014 20:28 GMT
#111
On October 07 2014 04:48 GeckoXp wrote:
:stark:

Forget about the payment part. If you go to the link I sent you, type in ANY nickname you'll findyourself in IRC. There you can ask ALL editors of ALL wikis to help you out. Seriously, it's as easy as it gets. Ordinary B-net is nothing but IRC with a different look. A monkey can do that.

Maybe you find someone nice enough to clean up the page in the IRC chan. If that's too much for you, cause you're super busy with organizing this event, then you should reconsider if you really do organize at all.


Thx for the tips, i have zero knowledge about this, so this is completly new for me. Regarding ime considering hosting or not, thats kinda to late. Il manage to do it, but the quality for the entire event depends on what help i manage to get.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
October 06 2014 21:52 GMT
#112
Trying to clean up the Liquipedia page since I didn't even realize it was sent back to my userpage...

Casey, are there exact dates for when the ladder stage ends and when the group stage games are intended to be played? I see that you deleted the dates from the OP.

Also...
"If two or more players have the same amount of points,
the player with the higher ladder qualification spot gets the higher numbered spot."
I know the possibility isn't very high, but what if the two player had the same number of points during the group stage AND the ladder stage? Again, not a high chance, but I feel like you could use some clarification there, just in case...
twitch.tv/dizzywee
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-06 22:32:57
October 06 2014 22:12 GMT
#113
On October 07 2014 06:52 SynC[gm] wrote:
Trying to clean up the Liquipedia page since I didn't even realize it was sent back to my userpage...

Casey, are there exact dates for when the ladder stage ends and when the group stage games are intended to be played? I see that you deleted the dates from the OP.

Also...
"If two or more players have the same amount of points,
the player with the higher ladder qualification spot gets the higher numbered spot."
I know the possibility isn't very high, but what if the two player had the same number of points during the group stage AND the ladder stage? Again, not a high chance, but I feel like you could use some clarification there, just in case...



I will update the thread tonight. If i dont misunderstand, are you offering to help out with the liquipedia ? I assume so, since you ask and you are the on who created the page ? I can PM you all info/content you want/need. ( Sorry if im misunderstanding you here )

Regarding two players have same points after ladderstage and group stage ( Wich is highly unlikely) i have not tought about this. Im open to suggestions. But i think we can make them select a number between 1-20 and closest one gets best seeding.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 11:32:14
October 08 2014 10:10 GMT
#114
On October 07 2014 05:28 iamcasey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 04:48 GeckoXp wrote:
:stark:

Forget about the payment part. If you go to the link I sent you, type in ANY nickname you'll findyourself in IRC. There you can ask ALL editors of ALL wikis to help you out. Seriously, it's as easy as it gets. Ordinary B-net is nothing but IRC with a different look. A monkey can do that.

Maybe you find someone nice enough to clean up the page in the IRC chan. If that's too much for you, cause you're super busy with organizing this event, then you should reconsider if you really do organize at all.


Thx for the tips, i have zero knowledge about this, so this is completly new for me. Regarding ime considering hosting or not, thats kinda to late. Il manage to do it, but the quality for the entire event depends on what help i manage to get.


One last reply to this:

Edited. The IRC Channel would be a place to require help. It is not any different than adding someone via Skype and talk to him. Except there's a channel with 50+ knowledgeable people. Most won't play BW, but would help you out nonetheless. However, the attitude "I don't get that, nor do I have time to maybe fix one or two things on my own" won't help. That's the nature of things and that's one way to not treat potential helpers, if you want help.

Aside from that, I fixed up the Wiki page and wrote Sync a PN. Be thankful you have Sync and treat him nice. It should be more than just doable to add results from here on out.

To stress out what Chapa said again:

The Wiki is not a tool you use to actively organize the event. Rules, asking for donations and shout outs (credits) do not belong there. Rules can be added if there is an exceptional reasoning behind it, e.g. if Koreans are prohibited from participating, or rules having an effect on the mode (see XSplit Random Invitational, Shout and Tell for Random 1v1).

Yet, the Wiki can be used as helpful add-on to organizing. This means you can use it to distribute/display information. It is ok to have standing tables, grids and results there, but "not" in the thread (not recommended to leave out results there). That's partially how DRTL, TLS and others used it. But the main effort of judging cases, or whatnot, is done in the forums, via Skype or elsewhere.
DepressedOne
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 14:10:28
October 08 2014 14:22 GMT
#115
I am here to inform people that I will no longer be casting for the alchemy league. I wish the rest of the tourney goes well and that my departure is not a big deal. Unfortunately I'm too busy and I apologize for leaving and not being more well prepared.
Me sad.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-14 15:44:09
October 14 2014 09:47 GMT
#116
On October 08 2014 23:22 DepressedOne wrote:
I am here to inform people that I will no longer be casting for the alchemy league. I wish the rest of the tourney goes well and that my departure is not a big deal. Unfortunately I'm too busy and I apologize for leaving and not being more well prepared.


Obvious im looking for new casters.. Groupstage starting 2 November, Its possible to cast from replays instead of.live, w/e fits the caster


EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1593 Posts
October 14 2014 15:53 GMT
#117
Ty2 was a pretty bad caster anyways.
DepressedOne
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States190 Posts
October 14 2014 19:10 GMT
#118
On October 15 2014 00:53 EndingLife wrote:
Ty2 was a pretty bad caster anyways.


Eh hem. I presume our new caster has arrived.
Me sad.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1593 Posts
October 14 2014 23:27 GMT
#119
On October 15 2014 04:10 DepressedOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 00:53 EndingLife wrote:
Ty2 was a pretty bad caster anyways.


Eh hem. I presume our new caster has arrived.

I think not. I got banned from the stream by Casey for asking why you were casting a game between a 210-300 record D+ and an A- player.
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States786 Posts
October 15 2014 07:39 GMT
#120
On October 15 2014 08:27 EndingLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 04:10 DepressedOne wrote:
On October 15 2014 00:53 EndingLife wrote:
Ty2 was a pretty bad caster anyways.


Eh hem. I presume our new caster has arrived.

I think not. I got banned from the stream by Casey for asking why you were casting a game between a 210-300 record D+ and an A- player.

banned? :D I was asking these same type of questions the couple times I watched. It would be something like Sziky vs 40% winrate D+ protoss.
NAKR`flying
iwL-ASmOdey
Profile Joined January 2013
Russian Federation26 Posts
October 15 2014 12:04 GMT
#121
Now i can join league?
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 15 2014 12:25 GMT
#122
Yes you can, but its only 3 days left of the laddderstage, though its only 2200pts before you are in between top 32
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1593 Posts
October 15 2014 15:10 GMT
#123
On October 15 2014 16:39 fearthequeen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 08:27 EndingLife wrote:
On October 15 2014 04:10 DepressedOne wrote:
On October 15 2014 00:53 EndingLife wrote:
Ty2 was a pretty bad caster anyways.


Eh hem. I presume our new caster has arrived.

I think not. I got banned from the stream by Casey for asking why you were casting a game between a 210-300 record D+ and an A- player.

banned? :D I was asking these same type of questions the couple times I watched. It would be something like Sziky vs 40% winrate D+ protoss.

I'm still banned, actually. No way I would watch anything related to Casey again.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 15 2014 15:37 GMT
#124
On October 15 2014 08:27 EndingLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 04:10 DepressedOne wrote:
On October 15 2014 00:53 EndingLife wrote:
Ty2 was a pretty bad caster anyways.


Eh hem. I presume our new caster has arrived.

I think not. I got banned from the stream by Casey for asking why you were casting a game between a 210-300 record D+ and an A- player.


You were banned for bm admins/caster. I said it before and i can say it again, my tolerance vs bm ppl or who only got negative shit to post is very short. If you dont like the event, simply dont follow it. If you got any ideas/suggestion/constructive criticism, im more then willing to listen.

banned? :D I was asking these same type of questions the couple times I watched. It would be something like Sziky vs 40% winrate D+ protoss.



With 4000 games played in less then 1month, there will obvious be alot of bad replays.. We cant stick to casting only the top players either, i tried to make it a bit balanced, but i did make one bad mistake and mix some crappy replays together with a reppack with good games ready to be casted. Im sorry for that, anyways, i had hoped for more viewers from our casts. Maybe its a mix of a completly new caster and the fact that its still ladderstage.



EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1593 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-15 16:30:31
October 15 2014 16:29 GMT
#125
On October 16 2014 00:37 iamcasey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 08:27 EndingLife wrote:
On October 15 2014 04:10 DepressedOne wrote:
On October 15 2014 00:53 EndingLife wrote:
Ty2 was a pretty bad caster anyways.


Eh hem. I presume our new caster has arrived.

I think not. I got banned from the stream by Casey for asking why you were casting a game between a 210-300 record D+ and an A- player.


You were banned for bm admins/caster. I said it before and i can say it again, my tolerance vs bm ppl or who only got negative shit to post is very short. If you dont like the event, simply dont follow it. If you got any ideas/suggestion/constructive criticism, im more then willing to listen.


Show nested quote +
banned? :D I was asking these same type of questions the couple times I watched. It would be something like Sziky vs 40% winrate D+ protoss.



With 4000 games played in less then 1month, there will obvious be alot of bad replays.. We cant stick to casting only the top players either, i tried to make it a bit balanced, but i did make one bad mistake and mix some crappy replays together with a reppack with good games ready to be casted. Im sorry for that, anyways, i had hoped for more viewers from our casts. Maybe its a mix of a completly new caster and the fact that its still ladderstage.



If anything I supported your league, I would post in the threads that the cast is live. BM admins/caster? It was constructive criticism that apparently, you cannot handle. Keep casting 200-300 record D+ max players vs and A- player who can get 90% winrate. See how many viewers want to see Sziky vs D+ max after 500 games. Good luck!
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
October 15 2014 16:58 GMT
#126
On October 16 2014 01:29 EndingLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 00:37 iamcasey wrote:
On October 15 2014 08:27 EndingLife wrote:
On October 15 2014 04:10 DepressedOne wrote:
On October 15 2014 00:53 EndingLife wrote:
Ty2 was a pretty bad caster anyways.


Eh hem. I presume our new caster has arrived.

I think not. I got banned from the stream by Casey for asking why you were casting a game between a 210-300 record D+ and an A- player.


You were banned for bm admins/caster. I said it before and i can say it again, my tolerance vs bm ppl or who only got negative shit to post is very short. If you dont like the event, simply dont follow it. If you got any ideas/suggestion/constructive criticism, im more then willing to listen.


banned? :D I was asking these same type of questions the couple times I watched. It would be something like Sziky vs 40% winrate D+ protoss.



With 4000 games played in less then 1month, there will obvious be alot of bad replays.. We cant stick to casting only the top players either, i tried to make it a bit balanced, but i did make one bad mistake and mix some crappy replays together with a reppack with good games ready to be casted. Im sorry for that, anyways, i had hoped for more viewers from our casts. Maybe its a mix of a completly new caster and the fact that its still ladderstage.



If anything I supported your league, I would post in the threads that the cast is live. BM admins/caster? It was constructive criticism that apparently, you cannot handle. Keep casting 200-300 record D+ max players vs and A- player who can get 90% winrate. See how many viewers want to see Sziky vs D+ max after 500 games. Good luck!


It was not constructive criticism at all. First of all i tried to explain to you that i made a mistake and mixed some shitty replays with the good ones, though that was just a few games. If you watched all the casts you will notice that there has been some really good games from those 4000 replays and not so bad as you want it to be..


The thread is now updated
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
October 16 2014 07:02 GMT
#127
alright sign me up bro
Master Chief
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-18 02:20:35
October 18 2014 01:53 GMT
#128
Ladderstage is over. Congratulations to top 32, thx for the effort to everyone else Over 4000 games in 1 month is really impressive.

http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/teams/96962.html
LRM)INF3cted
Profile Joined October 2012
Bulgaria242 Posts
October 18 2014 07:42 GMT
#129
On October 18 2014 10:53 iamcasey wrote:
Ladderstage is over. Congratulations to top 32, thx for the effort to everyone else Over 4000 games in 1 month is really impressive.

http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/teams/96962.html


4000 games because of Mustafa lancer (true story)
Play whit honor , die whit glory.
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States786 Posts
October 19 2014 05:35 GMT
#130
Group D ahaha wow really strong group
NAKR`flying
idegelchik
Profile Joined September 2012
Russian Federation382 Posts
October 19 2014 08:00 GMT
#131
death group: C, H
lancerx, werdi FTW!
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6545 Posts
October 19 2014 08:14 GMT
#132
when re we starting group stage ?
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States786 Posts
October 19 2014 08:33 GMT
#133
On October 19 2014 17:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
when re we starting group stage ?

liquidpedia says oct 26-nov 2
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