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racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
September 24 2006 11:03 GMT
#161
Sorry I already said the rest thing. Internet Court will now be taking a brief recess
when they really get to know you they will run
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36401 Posts
September 24 2006 11:03 GMT
#162
On September 24 2006 19:54 Draco wrote:
I won't talk about hotkeyes, skill or apm differences. I will only mention few facts:

-Polaris[ArnC] is well known lier at korean scene.
-In my team there are few good friends of Kosiro, so before my match one of them (n.die_Challrenge) was talking with him in korean on the bnet. Kosiro said that he is so drunk after Pantech proleague win that he is not even able to see correctly what he writes on bnet so he asked my team mate to phone him and Kosiro's voice was surely a voice of drunk man. (You can ask your self if someone who can't even see text on bnet is able to micro as well as in game 3).
-After first game Kosiro asked me if he can move to Pantech sukso, because "his mouse was bad there". When it happened most of games were already finished and it was after midnight in Korea. I did not agree, since he had a lot of time before to prepare for sandlot match (As you see his attitude wasn't that great as Polaris said). Then suddenly he said that he has to go to the toillet. He went out from the game and came back after 20~ minutes, first logging into the game with id PantechEX_Keke and then with Kosiro[shield]. His style of talking completely changed. It wasn't the same Kosiro from the first game talking about amounts of alcohol he had drunk last night. Even after I didn't agree for his moving to sukso he lied and did it.
-When he said that he wants to go to the toillet my team mate - ZeuS - told me to not do so because he will let someone else play. So I said to Challrenge to tell Kosiro that if something like that will happen he will surely get kicked out of the tourney or will even make his team disqualificated. Today you know what he choosed and again ask your self what his real atitude is.
-After those 3 games I was very suspicious so I said about my feelings to captain of FiFo and tl.net. Results were enough clear to say that it wasn't Kosiro playing. After all I said it to n.Die_Challrenge who after that phoned again Kosiro. He woke up him, because Kosiro was already sleeping but it was maybe 15-20 minutes after games were finished. Kosiro admited that he didn't play those games, but Nal_keke did. In conclusion I don't really know who played, FireFist or keke, but I am 100% sure of one thing. It wasn't Kosiro playing. Maybe Kosiro was that drunk that he didn't even know who was playing for him. As I know keke is member of Sandlot too and he was playing his games this time.

That's all what I have to say in this matter. Sorry for tl.net team that things went like this. I was looking for a good competition with Kosiro, not for the investigation. Sorry too if some of my English lacks made my post hard to undurstand, I hope it's enough clear.

if he dies, he dies.
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
September 24 2006 11:04 GMT
#163
well its quite obvious he was letting someone else play.. i cant see how people here doubt that >.< you dont just suddenly change patterns you always use maybe it cant be proven 100% but is that even needed?
its me
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
September 24 2006 11:05 GMT
#164
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DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
September 24 2006 11:06 GMT
#165
If this is true its a real scandal, Im not that good at replay analysis but if the games were really short and only apm-chart + a few different hotkeys from some other games is the only thing they've judged it by its a disaster to call it a cheat....

you cant judge anyone, in any judging-system there is without 100% proof.
racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
September 24 2006 11:07 GMT
#166
On September 24 2006 20:04 Kaolla wrote:
well its quite obvious he was letting someone else play.. i cant see how people here doubt that >.< you dont just suddenly change patterns you always use maybe it cant be proven 100% but is that even needed?


If we cannot comprehend the data delivered to us in this easily digestible chart format then you must acquit
when they really get to know you they will run
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13427 Posts
September 24 2006 11:08 GMT
#167
I say we drown him.

If he survives, he's innocent.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-24 11:10:19
September 24 2006 11:09 GMT
#168
On September 24 2006 20:08 RowdierBob wrote:
I say we drown him.

If he survives, he's innocent.


but someone will say they don't understand the complexities of the human respiratory system and it will spawn 10 pages of arguing as people try to dismiss the cold dead body gracefully floating downstream
when they really get to know you they will run
DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
September 24 2006 11:11 GMT
#169
Draco might be right, but there are still not any HARD proof that he cheated, im sry but saying things like "he couldnt even see the text on bnet" is kind of bullshit. I know all of ppl who make those excuses and kid about shit like that before games just to get attention or so, and when he lost 0-1 and went back to pantech house he might just as well focused more and gotten fresh air etc, but Draco might as well be right (probably is? i dunno ;O) but to me that isnt enough ;/

And for all of you ppl who want to analyze keke's replays and more of kosiro's must realize that the 2 games were really short from what ive heard and its hard to analyze such short replays with a 100% certainty....
zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
September 24 2006 11:11 GMT
#170
And as for the cold dead body, it would have to be thoroughly convinced that it is not dead, and that it couldn't possibly be feeling better at the moment.
All you need in life is a strong will to succeed and unrelenting determination. If you meet these prerequisites, you can become anything you want with absolutely no luck, fortune or natural ability.
racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
September 24 2006 11:12 GMT
#171
How can we be truly sure that he isn't just resting his vital organs???
when they really get to know you they will run
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 24 2006 11:14 GMT
#172
that would be funny, if you werent the one who has no real argument and yet keep mocking others for making logical statements.
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racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
September 24 2006 11:15 GMT
#173
I'd acknowledge you if I wasn't too busy being right
when they really get to know you they will run
DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
September 24 2006 11:20 GMT
#174
On September 24 2006 16:54 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
Another piece of information : Both Sea.FireFist and Kosiro have been known to share IDs before. Kosiro has done it with other [Shield] members in various west clan leagues. Sea.FireFist smurfed on Sea.Jang's oG) account in ToT vs oG). People said i was wrong then too, they were wrong. The proof may not be 100% but I would say I'm about 99.936% sure that it wasn't Kosiro and about 90% that the zerg who actually played was Sea.FireFist. Bed time for me~ i got nothing more to say on this matter anyway


Jamie, you are probably pretty sure it was firefirst playing but that sidenote of info has NOTHING to do with the incident in sandlot, come on its not "illegal" to play on other ppls accounts on bnet or ladders. And even if it was you always have to look at each case individually, in all aspects...

Im probably not the best guy to talk about wether he should be banned from tournament or not since im a member of tl.net team

but imo, if there are no really hard and concrete proof, I cant imagine anyone kicking him off the entire tournament, maybe give a WO in his game vs draco.

OR, maybe they could re-play the games with kosiro 0-1 since everyone seems to be sure he played game 1 -_-
Draco
Profile Joined September 2003
Poland32 Posts
September 24 2006 11:21 GMT
#175
Daze please don't mention single sentences from my post, because I wrote it in "(...)" so I didn't even treat it as an argument, but just as kind of curiosity.

What else do you want to know that he's guilty? My team mate phoned him and Kosiro admitted that he wasn't playing those games. You have replays, me, my team mate who was talking with him by a phone and even Kosiro saying that it wasn't him playing. It's not enough hard proof that he cheated?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
September 24 2006 11:25 GMT
#176
On September 24 2006 19:33 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
HMMM.

Case closed.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-24 11:27:15
September 24 2006 11:26 GMT
#177
Well, I believe you Draco coz i know you are a fair guy, and if kosiro really told your teammate it wasnt him then its all settled, though I cant understand why he would all of a sudden go around claiming it wasnt him afterwards, since if he confessed to n.Die_challrenge he probably confessed to alot of other guys

Does anyone know where blizzard stand on this matter?
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
September 24 2006 11:30 GMT
#178
Blizzard has more or less left it up to the team captain to decide the outcome. But what is for sure is that kosiro is gone. We have a choice of replacing him, or continuing on with 7 players. I will make the decision tonight after I talk to some people, but I already know what I think is the right course of action.
ModeratorGodfather
Instigata
Profile Joined April 2004
United States546 Posts
September 24 2006 11:30 GMT
#179
It's weird he had high apm in game 1 too.
SC2 was doomed from the start.
Corinthos *
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
September 24 2006 11:32 GMT
#180
Hmm.. Right now the situation stinks, since we don't actually have koroiso himself here defending himself. He could post in korean if he wants and someone translate, but yeah the evidence is one sided and arguably stronger.

Off topic:

What's up Draco? How's the team treating you, are you going to playing in proleague or any single leagues soon?! Gl hf.
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