EPT[NEWS] Kosiro claims that he didn't cheat - Page 8
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racebannon
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On September 24 2006 19:19 HungZerg wrote: removing him from the event because you 'see no reason for him to deviate' is a bit much. its suspicious, and personally i believe it was someone else playing, but i dont really think theres enough evidence to be sure and for something like this you really should pretty certain before banning him on cheating accusations. not only would it remove him from sandlot, it may have further ramifications in his korean gaming(although i kind of doubt it) I don't want him removed, it's not even up to me. I just want to see where all these certified internet lawyers are getting the idea that there is any reasonable explanation behind his hotkeys changing in this one single instance and absolutely no others? Except to simply argue. I think it was a huge mistake to lie and say it was him playing. I think he should just apologize and if Blizzard lets him stay in I think he should stay in, because now he has a reason to actually give a shit, to salvage his precious manner, and I think we should give him the chance to redeem himself. | ||
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On September 24 2006 19:25 racebannon wrote: [removed quote within quote] I don't want him removed, it's not even up to me. I just want to see where all these certified internet lawyers are getting the idea that there is any reasonable explanation behind his hotkeys changing in this one single instance and absolutely no others? Except to simply argue. I think it was a huge mistake to lie and say it was him playing. I think he should just apologize and if Blizzard lets him stay in I think he should stay in, because now he has a reason to actually give a shit, to salvage his precious manner, and I think we should give him the chance to redeem himself. uh, you're arguing just as much, just from the other side. theyre 'internet lawyers' just out to argue only because they disagree with you? i dont think there needs to be a reason to change the most insignificant part of your game. i know people who spam different ways every game (apparently firefist is an example of that, progamers do it too) the only purpose is to keep your fingers moving. the fact that kosiro does not seem to have a pattern of switching hotkeys does make it suspicious, but the game was played under unusual circumstances. the hotkeys themselves are not conclusively incriminating especially since there isnt any other evidence that is at all concrete. | ||
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Now we wait and see what Midian and romad have to say in response. | ||
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On September 24 2006 19:33 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: HMMM. I agree. I'm not convinced either way until I see several dozen hotkey screenshots showing a clear pattern that is broken in game 3. | ||
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racebannon
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On September 24 2006 19:36 HungZerg wrote: [removed quote within quote] uh, you're arguing just as much, just from the other side. theyre 'internet lawyers' just out to argue only because they disagree with you? i dont think there needs to be a reason to change the most insignificant part of your game. i know people who spam different ways every game (apparently firefist is an example of that, progamers do it too) the only purpose is to keep your fingers moving. the fact that kosiro does not seem to have a pattern of switching hotkeys does make it suspicious, but the game was played under unusual circumstances. the hotkeys themselves are not conclusively incriminating especially since there isnt any other evidence that is at all concrete. they are internet lawyers because rather than come up with a cohesive counter argument to his drastically different replays they choose to throw out high school law class buzz words like "burden of proof" like we're sentencing him to 5 years in e-jail for his heinous crimes. also He did his usual in that game, so everything shall be the same and he's innocent.When the final result of replay analysis says forfeit, he will accept it to get kicked out of the tournament. everything shall be the same. Except you know, everything. That'll be different. But still. innocent until the defense opens up BWchart and looks at all the numbers until it stops hurting their brains and they see what everyone else sees. On September 24 2006 19:35 Lycaeus wrote: whenever im drunk i never hotkey the same as i normally do, almost always one off... oh well. You guys must be pros to be drunk and perform the same consistently. his hotkeys were consistent in game 1 where he was arguably more intoxicated. Thanks for your input though | ||
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IdrA
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On September 24 2006 19:41 racebannon wrote: [removed quote within quote] they are internet lawyers because rather than come up with a cohesive counter argument to his drastically different replays they choose to throw out high school law class buzz words like "burden of proof" like we're sentencing him to 5 years in e-jail for his heinous crimes. uh, have you not been reading? it is those defending kosiro who have made the real arguments while your argument is that he cant have changed irrelevant hotkeys. the fact of the matter is the burden of proof does rest on those accusing him of cheating, whether you like how theyre phrasing it or not. everything shall be the same. Except you know, everything. That'll be different. But still. innocent until the defense opens up BWchart and looks at all the numbers until it stops hurting their brains and they see what everyone else sees. his hotkeys were consistent in game 1 where he was arguably more intoxicated. Thanks for your input though the entire point he was making was lack of consistancy, not that he couldnt produce the same hotkeys at all, but that it is more likely he wouldnt play the same every game. | ||
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Draco
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-Polaris[ArnC] is well known lier at korean scene. -In my team there are few good friends of Kosiro, so before my match one of them (n.die_Challrenge) was talking with him in korean on the bnet. Kosiro said that he is so drunk after Pantech proleague win that he is not even able to see correctly what he writes on bnet so he asked my team mate to phone him and Kosiro's voice was surely a voice of drunk man. (You can ask your self if someone who can't even see text on bnet is able to micro as well as in game 3). -After first game Kosiro asked me if he can move to Pantech sukso, because "his mouse was bad there". When it happened most of games were already finished and it was after midnight in Korea. I did not agree, since he had a lot of time before to prepare for sandlot match (As you see his attitude wasn't that great as Polaris said). Then suddenly he said that he has to go to the toillet. He went out from the game and came back after 20~ minutes, first logging into the game with id PantechEX_Keke and then with Kosiro[shield]. His style of talking completely changed. It wasn't the same Kosiro from the first game talking about amounts of alcohol he had drunk last night. Even after I didn't agree for his moving to sukso he lied and did it. -When he said that he wants to go to the toillet my team mate - ZeuS - told me to not do so because he will let someone else play. So I said to Challrenge to tell Kosiro that if something like that will happen he will surely get kicked out of the tourney or will even make his team disqualificated. Today you know what he choosed and again ask your self what his real atitude is. -After those 3 games I was very suspicious so I said about my feelings to captain of FiFo and tl.net. Results were enough clear to say that it wasn't Kosiro playing. After all I said it to n.Die_Challrenge who after that phoned again Kosiro. He woke up him, because Kosiro was already sleeping but it was maybe 15-20 minutes after games were finished. Kosiro admited that he didn't play those games, but Nal_keke did. In conclusion I don't really know who played, FireFist or keke, but I am 100% sure of one thing. It wasn't Kosiro playing. Maybe Kosiro was that drunk that he didn't even know who was playing for him. As I know keke is member of Sandlot too and he was playing his games this time. That's all what I have to say in this matter. Sorry for tl.net team that things went like this. I was looking for a good competition with Kosiro, not for the investigation. Sorry too if some of my English lacks made my post hard to undurstand, I hope it's enough clear. | ||
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On September 24 2006 19:58 RaGnArOkY wrote: Hmmm, I think is lying~ Sorry Kosiro T^T THE PROSEUCTION RESTS YOUR HONOR | ||
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