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Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
September 24 2006 06:05 GMT
#21
So whats the argument for saying that Firefist played for him? Is it just based upon his hotkeys and apm?
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
September 24 2006 06:05 GMT
#22
good good
i really hope this is true

i kinda feel bad myself for really believing all that, but i still can't say whether i believe anything or not anymore until there's an official decision about this stuff. but obviously i want to trust kosiro, as he is a good part of TL.net team.. > _>;;;
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
September 24 2006 06:06 GMT
#23
wow this is big,i hope its true ~~
DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
September 24 2006 06:06 GMT
#24
cmon kosssiiirrroooo make the team!!

I'm definitely willing to believe him.
Where joy exists despair will always beckon.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 24 2006 06:08 GMT
#25
Would be incredibly cool if it was true
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
September 24 2006 06:10 GMT
#26
TL needs kosiro so bad... bring him back!!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 24 2006 06:11 GMT
#27
how much support was there that it wasnt him in the first place?
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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
September 24 2006 06:13 GMT
#28
On September 24 2006 15:11 HungZerg wrote:
how much support was there that it wasnt him in the first place?


not much if none at all im sure
but that's because what we heard came from supposedly "official" people.
we obviously won't know unless we were there but for now we just have to keep hopes up that he'll still be allowed to play for us
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-24 06:15:43
September 24 2006 06:14 GMT
#29
When I first read it it didn't make sense becouse I thought well why didnt firefist get drunk aswell?

But then I just thought he didnt want to and kosiiro was stupid as hell.. Btw wasn't firefist involved in the oG scandal
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 24 2006 06:15 GMT
#30
uh you're being just as quick to assume hes innocent as you say they were to claim hes guilty. this is a member of their own team mani exposed, i doubt they did it on little evidence.
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 24 2006 06:16 GMT
#31
Yes, and Midian and Romad both agreed it wasn't Kosiro playing, so I'm still pretty sceptical.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
NeVeRDiEDrOnE
Profile Joined January 2005
Korea (South)227 Posts
September 24 2006 06:19 GMT
#32
Thx Twisted, and no problem.

The truth is yet to be revealed but I indeed think that it's too childish to make such an argument when one really cheated. And why would he claim innocence after already getting kicked out? There was only my post on PGR on the Korean side and the reaction was 'shocked', but not huge.

I hope this develops well.
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
September 24 2006 06:19 GMT
#33
Lets see Blizzard's news on the first playdays results before saying that his matches are forfeits or if they stand.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
September 24 2006 06:22 GMT
#34
he or she?
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 24 2006 06:23 GMT
#35
good news is its nice that he cares enough to make an attempt to get cleared, innoncent or not. when the kors got caught cheating in og) and stuff they just didnt care.
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RiSE
Profile Joined April 2004
United States3182 Posts
September 24 2006 06:25 GMT
#36
Draco's hotkeys were different both games... does that mean someone smurfed on Draco's account? Bullshit.
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Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
September 24 2006 06:25 GMT
#37
On September 24 2006 15:16 Orome wrote:
Yes, and Midian and Romad both agreed it wasn't Kosiro playing, so I'm still pretty sceptical.
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11595 Posts
September 24 2006 06:26 GMT
#38
So do I get my liquibet points for Kosiro beating Draco?

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racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
September 24 2006 06:30 GMT
#39
If you look at the reps the hotkeys are very different. I don't believe him
when they really get to know you they will run
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-24 06:40:21
September 24 2006 06:32 GMT
#40
Well, that explains this:

On September 23 2006 11:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:
1) Firefist is also on Pantech, yet he was apparently not drunk enough to be unable to play!?


Anyway, I'm no replay analyser so I'll just reserve judgement for now. If Kosiro is innocent then I hope it will be proven and everything will return to normal.

It might have helped if he had explained the situation at the time. Instead, judging from Mani's account it sounds like he disappeared and reappeared 20 minutes later without explaining anything:

On September 23 2006 07:39 Manifesto7 wrote:
After losing the first game horribly, he disappeared for 20 minutes and then came back to stomp Draco the next two games. I talked with Draco after the game and he was very suspicious. After having both Midian and romad look at the replays (only a formality it was obvious even to me) it was determined that sea.firefist was the player in game 3.


I can understand why someone in his position might not say anything, though:
1. The language barrier.
2. He didn't realize he might be suspected of cheating.
3. He was drunk.

Lastly, is he aware that his team's manager was one of the first people to condemn him of cheating? In this kind of situation, his team's manager should be his first and foremost defender, who should at least try to stop people from jumping to conclusions before due process is followed. Edit: of course, if they already had very good proof (as Midian explains on the next page) then maybe this conclusion wasn't rushed after all.

So in the end, assuming Kosiro is innocent, I think that both Kosiro and the TL team management made mistakes. Kosiro should have shown more responsibility by not getting so drunk. And his management should not have judged him so quickly. I think there was a lack of respect from both sides. Both were understandable, though: Kosiro probably would have been disrespectful to his team if he hadn't celebrated with them, and it is difficult to show respect for a team member who has already shown you disrespect by showing up drunk.

(stricken-out since I'm doubting Kosiro is innocent)
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