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shit that he cheated
he should get banned from tlnet
I don't think that he is a bad guy for doing that tho, maybe if I was drunk I'd do the same? I mean he did wrong, but it's not a thing that people should throw stones at him, like if he was a terrible very bad person.
The punishment is just for learning purpposes, next time he just says he is fucked up, explains situation and says "I'm really sorry, I really practiced on the maps so I could show my skills, but I just couldn't refuse the invitation for drinking from a superior".
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On September 25 2006 02:07 Manifesto7 wrote:
I just talked to Blizzard and Pantech. He cheated. End of story. The details are confidential at this point, but they will probably be leaked in the future. Lets move on for next week.
end of story guys?
once blizzard says it, whether or not he really did cheat or not, it's official. their tournament, their rules.
*sigh*........
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On September 25 2006 06:06 Raidern wrote:
shit that he cheated
he should get banned from tlnet
I don't think that he is a bad guy for doing that tho, maybe if I was drunk I'd do the same? I mean he did wrong, but it's not a thing that people should throw stones at him, like if he was a terrible very bad person.
The punishment is just for learning purpposes, next time he just says he is fucked up, explains situation and says "I'm really sorry, I really practiced on the maps so I could show my skills, but I just couldn't refuse the invitation for drinking from a superior".
in korea if an superior invites to drink you almost can't refuse
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On September 24 2006 18:21 zulu_nation8 wrote:
ok i compared the hotkeys of about 10 firefist replays under different smurfs, etc. He is the most inconsistent hotkeyer i have ever seen. There's really not a stable, identifiable pattern. I guess the only thing you can say is that he sometimes uses 2 or 3 or 2/3 for hatches at start, then hotkeys 1 a lot, then units, regroup for hatches with 5-7, then back to units. The only thing I'm sure about is that for the 2-3 replays of him having 380 apm and using 123456 as hatches at the start, that's definitely not him, i don't know who it is. Besides that everything else is a maybe. If there were more candidates I could compare but guessing firefist is probably the only zerg on pantech that has 250-300 apm and those apm %, it most likely was him.
that's probably shinhwa[name], dream.t)orion also used sea.firefist in some replays that were uploaded (against sea[shield] and ever)t(piano)
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hmm yea shinhwa does the 1,2,3,4,5,6 thing. That would mean then that in the 2005 2nd fOu team league semi-finals sea vs s.sir, shinhwa[name] played for sea.firefist, -.-.....
in fact shinhwa played every game for firefist in that tourney except for dudring name vs sea. SCANDAL
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
yep firefist does a lot of acc sharing ._.
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Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
Nice detective work guys!
Such an unfortunate set of circumstances though. T_T
Wish it would've turned out differently. 
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ahahahahaha while I am sorta mad at Kosiro being our first choice and alll..
I can't help but laugh at Sea clan and how unbelieveably ballsily cute they are.
Quite some Kawaii Bollocks they gots tharrrgghhh matey
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MidiaN! I have a new deep respect for you.
This broodwar forensics is crazy stuff. I never knew the replay analyzer could be used like that...
While reading the posts, I believed in Kosiro. Then when Mani posted, I obviously (read forced to) sided with his opinions.
MidiaN slammed it down with damning evidence.
Ergo, the moral I've learned is not to get MidiaN or Mani's comments on my ass.
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Replay analysis is not some amazing crazy science or something though....
But yea, bye Kosiro =[
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On September 25 2006 01:37 superjoppe wrote:
I'd suck and have low apm if I played in an Internet Café too.
And if I was in bad shape, I'd do all-in strategies when I came back home too.
I believe Kosiro and I think its funny that someone else just claimed it wasnt him without no proof.
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read the thread before posting?
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In the pgr21.com, kosiro still denying the cheating insidence.
However he is shocked because "fighterforum" journalists called 'pantech' house and kept asking about this situation lol, and wanted to interview him about it. ;p
I guess our fifo leader acted very fast ;p. Although he is still denying anyways so no one knows yet -0-. From his recent comment, he basically said he didn't played like normal and tried '121212' hotkey habit because he was 'tired' and wanted to finish game fast.
Anyway i thought plto wanted orion in tl.net ;p although lionking is fucken sexy zerg.
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On September 25 2006 09:52 Nal_CrayOn wrote:
I guess our fifo leader acted very fast ;p. Although he is still denying anyways so no one knows yet -0-. From his recent comment, he basically said he didn't played like normal and tried '121212' hotkey habit because he was 'tired' and wanted to finish game fast.
Just like IdrA was using hotkey 5 for CC in that one game because he suddenly thought his TvP was lacking cause of not enough SCV:s, damn.
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i think we all want he didnt cheat
but it's so obvious hehe T_T
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Sweden33719 Posts
On September 25 2006 09:52 Nal_CrayOn wrote:
In the pgr21.com, kosiro still denying the cheating insidence.
However he is shocked because "fighterforum" journalists called 'pantech' house and kept asking about this situation lol, and wanted to interview him about it. ;p
I guess our fifo leader acted very fast ;p. Although he is still denying anyways so no one knows yet -0-. From his recent comment, he basically said he didn't played like normal and tried '121212' hotkey habit because he was 'tired' and wanted to finish game fast.
Anyway i thought plto wanted orion in tl.net ;p although lionking is fucken sexy zerg.
Hm, I wanted Orion in sandlot long ago but I heard he couldn't play ;/
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oh alright ;]
insane- - was just mentioning his point heh. It's so obvious anyways but oh well. Let's just say, he realized how huge non-korean community power and this sandlot league. He is prob very freaked out from all those phone call from sc journalist's interview request to pantech.
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I like the non-BWchart investigation. A lot of it is circumstantial but it seems enough of it has piled up to be conclusive. Also there is, as Manifesto mentioned, unreleased details that we cannot judge by but will remain private. In that case, I have faith in his discretion. Regarding the BWchart and hotkey fingerprint, I am still skeptical. This certainty that people have about identifying players based on the actions done in the first 60 seconds would absolutely be false regarding investigations into my own personal replays. And since Midian/zulu only speak in generalaties, apparently from the trends that they have observed in their own experiences as BWchart investigators, I'm worried.
When taking a scientific approach such as BWchart analysis as the cornerstone method of destroying someone's character, and yet that scientific approach is not backed by the standards of true science, I believe people are making grave mistakes. In all honesty, I've kept the notion in my head that kosiro has been guilty ever since I first read the news. However I believe it's important that he not be persecuted for reasons which aren't convincing, even if further investigation would show those reasons to be convincing. The further investigation must be done. In any case, I think it's turned out ok. I'm simply curious about the continual denial that kosiro is making, and of course I'm curious about the secret details that have solidified the decisions of the leaders involved.
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On September 24 2006 16:06 penitent exile wrote:
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100% surety is theoretically necessary in American criminal courts, no?
As I quote from page 3, since that's as far as I've read...
Civil courts work on a balance of probabilities. And it's not like this has anything at all to do with a criminal offense, so it's only necessary to show that it is 'more likely' that he cheated than didn't cheat. If this was a criminal matter, then yes, he would have to be convicted "without a shadow of a doubt".
That's why O.J. got busted down in civil court but got off in criminal court.
If you're looking for some kind of legal basis on which to make your decision, then you have to use the civil criteria, as this is a matter between private citizens.
Sorry, that was random.
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1st game: Kosiro
3rd game: kosiro[shield]
rofl?
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Too bad he couldn't have just admitted it once people started getting suspicious..
Now he's regarded as both a cheater AND a fool.
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