This consists of 3 very very old school players (Chojja, Yellow, JJu) and 5 quite new players (Casy, Zergman, Iris, Yellow[name], Shinwha)
What's wierd: Boxer was eliminated by Shinhwa, a rookie, in his Boxer's best matchup
Oov, the 1st place seed eliminated first round July, the 2nd place seed almost eliminated first round, eliminated immediately in the wildcard matches Pusan, the 3rd place seed eliminated first round Sea, the 4th place seed, eliminated in R16 by a rookie: Yellow[name]
Of the 6 1st place group stage players (Cloud, Rock, Boxer, Sea, Nal_rA, Yellow) only 1 advanced to the quarter finals: Yellow
Every single player who qualified in the wildcard matches advanced to the quarter finals: Casy, Yellow[name], Iris, Shinhwa
Also, no protosses in the quarter finals
Maybe someone who has more knowledge than i do could tell us how longs its been since THAT happened
Last, there are 2 possible Royal Road candidates still in the starleague: Shinhwa and Yellow[name]
cool starleague so far : ]
i'd also like to thank jkillashark for his amazing coverage of this starleague. Much of the above info was pulled from him
I'm just very happy it's been an entertaining league till now, just the entertainment value of the games could be upped a bit. Most are pretty straightforward or early wins, ah well it's the game but I'd love some friggin' pimpest plays
I also noticed that every single player who advanced from the wildcard are playing in the Elite 8. I would really like to see YellOw finally win a Starleague.
On May 27 2006 10:58 ColorDra wrote: gg, no protoss. people still think Starcraft is balanced?
Go die.
Seriously, this is getting annoying, do you remember the starleague anytime won? ONE zerg qualified from his group (july) and lost immiediately to oov 0-2.
Do you know why no protoss players qualified this time around? Do you know why only one qualified that time?
Because of the maps. Maps and the fact that ANYONE can beat anyone right now in korea, the competition is sick.
In other news, this starleague is dreadful. The only player left who is worth rooting for (Yellow[name]) has to play a bunch of zvzs against *way* more experienced pros, so he can be considered already eliminated. What a crapfest. At least Gay-llow might finally get his OSL title, whopee.
The last time we had this happen in an OSL, 2 terrans owned the crap out of 6 zergs. So if this one mirrors the previous one, we will have TvT semifinals with a terran player taking 1st place and 3rd place, and yellow getting second.
if yellow gets second again, he might crack and take a shotgun to all the other players. if it's not him, it'll be me. it's grueling watching him get second all the time.
DAY!!! You must be nicer to Jju plz -_-;; He has performed very very well in the past too, saying he only started performing well recently is you not giving the man the credit he deserves. Jju has been SOLID for far longer than recently... Plus, he is Samsung's backbone. Without him, that team is ass.
Who else do you know that looks so funny and nervous all the time? He deserves a lil more love man ~_~
On May 27 2006 13:43 SuperJongMan wrote: DAY!!! You must be nicer to Jju plz -_-;; He has performed very very well in the past too, saying he only started performing well recently is you not giving the man the credit he deserves. Jju has been SOLID for far longer than recently... Plus, he is Samsung's backbone. Without him, that team is ass.
Who else do you know that looks so funny and nervous all the time? He deserves a lil more love man ~_~
Agreed. Jju has pretty consistently made the Starleague for the past, uh, long-fucking-time, and he's been a big name in the Proleague for just as long. I'm never surprised to see him win--against anyone--but I'm never surprised to see him lose, either.
IMO, Chojja is the current favorite for the tournament, although it does depend somewhat on the maps Iris gets against him.
I would say with certainty that Shinhwa is a clear underdog. He's not known for ZvZ, although he's not bad at it, whereas to win, he will have to face a number of good playes. Really, I see Shinhwa's strength as ZvP, and his ZvT is not so bad as well, but my opinion is that his win over Boxer was a fluke.
As much as I like Casy, I think he's out too. Zergman just seems to have his number down cold.
Left in the tournament are 5 Zergs with fantastic ZvZ. Chojja is the world's best ZvZ player, Yellow is known for his amazing ZvZ, Yellow[name] is just an all around stud with jaw-dropping micro, Jju has a history as a Zerg killer, and Zergman is considered "invincible" in ZvZ in his practice games (although his professional ZvZ record is weak). This tournament may in fact do more to sort out a new pecking-order in ZvZ with players with amazing records all facing each other, if it even is at all possible to do so.
On May 27 2006 13:17 iamke55 wrote: The last time we had this happen in an OSL, 2 terrans owned the crap out of 6 zergs. So if this one mirrors the previous one, we will have TvT semifinals with a terran player taking 1st place and 3rd place, and yellow getting second.
Casy vs. Iris? I wouldn't mind seeing Casy rape the shit out of Iris, but still, I dunno if Iris (or Casy for that matter) are THAT good at TvZ
At one time, TvZ was considered to be his best matchup, but I think it was just because people were impressed by his micro and not because he actually won against more Zergs than Terran/Protoss
As for the OSL, as long as Yellow is still in it, I'll keep watching. I'm not really interested in seeing anyone else besides Yellow win
On May 27 2006 20:31 pubbanana wrote: At one time, TvZ was considered to be his best matchup, but I think it was just because people were impressed by his micro and not because he actually won against more Zergs than Terran/Protoss
As for the OSL, as long as Yellow is still in it, I'll keep watching. I'm not really interested in seeing anyone else besides Yellow win
heh agreed here -.- (with both parts... after his performance recently I think casy's real best matchup is TvT, but he can prove me wrong by running through the rest of this OSL)
and yellow better win all 3 shinhan 2k6 starleagues and get golden mouse before boxer/oov/july
Casy is really good TvZ. I don't know why, but he just has not shown his usual flare in his tv matches. Also, Zergman seems to have Casy's number. Zergman is really looking strong lately.
Both Iris and Casy are good TvZ, but seeing Casy face Zergman again, I can't help but wonder if he'll go down easy. And unless Iris gets some good maps, I think Chojja will topple him.
I would REALLY like to see yellow[name] (get a nick of your own fucker!) win this starleague, or at least advance to the finals. He's the one who has pulled the greatest feats so far in the tournament imo.
On May 27 2006 13:43 SuperJongMan wrote: DAY!!! You must be nicer to Jju plz -_-;; He has performed very very well in the past too, saying he only started performing well recently is you not giving the man the credit he deserves. Jju has been SOLID for far longer than recently... Plus, he is Samsung's backbone. Without him, that team is ass.
Who else do you know that looks so funny and nervous all the time? He deserves a lil more love man ~_~
oops i must be misremembering
Jju is one of my favorite players; i'd hate to make him look bad! : [
As I see it we have 3 real contenders to the title left:
Yellow who has been showing great zvt play lately and always is stable in the zvz mu.
Chojja who won the last MSL by dominating the zvz scene.
Casy who is supposedly really good tvz, and with these good maps for terran I put him up with the favorites.
Yellow[name] is to unexperienced to win a bo5 zvz vs jju, yellow or chojja as I see it. Shinwa did good vs Boxer in the round of 16 but I don't think he will have a chance vs the 4 above. Iris[gm] is a little of an outsider, but he has got here through tvt and despite of the maps I don't think he can beat any of the top zergs. Jju is really good zvz and at least ok zvt but I don't see him as champion (would be nice if he proved me wrong though). Zergman is not good enough zvz for taking down the big gunners in a bo5.
If Jju wins, he will be one of the greatest Zergs EVER. He just needs a a title. He's capable, damn well capable. I dunno if he will tho. Casy plays his best when he is up against a wall it seems. Not enough history to tell, but Casy always is best when it seems bleak.. Oov series was a great demonstration as is his upgraded play after wildcards. So Zergman is going down imo, cuz when Casy is up against a wall, he is a whole new player. Zergman... no. Not Finals material and won't get past Casy even. Yellow is Yellow, along with Chojja, these two should feel most comfortable up there, although Yellow may have his own demons to face down. ShinHwa won't make it. He is no noob, he may even become a regular top 8 one day, but that day isn't nowadays. Yellow Name... now this guy COULD royal road.. but I really don't want another Royal Road so I am gonna root against him with all my heart, but this guy is one wicked good rookie. Iris... Iris... why are you so hard to predict? CJ team is showing good shape and form of late, and Xellos is back in shape. Savior is as always on fire... If anything, Iris has GREAT teammates to help him boost w/ practice... but it's so hard to tell with this guy.
My feelings on all the players: Casy-I'm not truly all impressed with Casy. He has shown that he can play well, I just don't think he'll make it this go round. He isn't too much of a realtive newcomer, as I remember him playing in Gilette. Zergman-He's got some potential, one of the two really talented Samsung zergs. Not too much creative play that I remember ever seeing from him, and his macro and micro aren't noteworthy Yellow-Old school gamer that many say deserves to win. Not so sure if he can get it this year, as the talent in the remaining of this Starleague is seriously underrated. Shinhwa-Somewhat impressive newcomer, not the best one that I see. Has decent potential in my opinion. Iris-Realtively good, solid player. Apparently, after the series against Rock, he can read his opponent well, preparing for cheese in both games. Chojja-Another old schooler. I don't see him winning though. JJu-Old schooler that might be the only one I can see winning this OSL. He has been around since Starcraft was made. Yellow[name]-Really impressed by this young player. He has the strategy (as demenstrated in his game against Oov) and his mechanics are really nice. I can see him lifting the crown if his untested ZvZ is good enough.
Predictions: Casy>Zergman Yellow>ShinHwa, but it pains me to say that Chojja>Iris, this could go either way JJu>Yellow[Name], whoever wins this has the best chance of winning the final, I'll go Jju for the first game, but if Yellow[Name] wins the first game impressively, I won't go against him.
yellow[name] rookie but he is like the second july. sexy muta control, low money playing. very nice zvt. However I want yellow to win (old). zvz final anyone?
id rather not have a zvz finals as well. I dont entirely mind a ZvZ finals but its more exciting if it is a non mirror finals. Some incredible story like yellow yellow[name] jju or perhaps chojja in the finals would be really nice. I REALLY want to see Yellow win so he can finally get away from the stigma but ive always loved a good young star story as well <3
Yellow[name] is not too inexperienced to win a ZvZ vs Jju, Yellow, or Chojja. This kid is a total phenom. We're talking same quality as Savior, though a player of very different, almost opposite style (if Savior is the new Gorush, Yellow[name] is the new July).
Casy IS good TvZ, but probably WILL NOT make it. Zergman seems to have his number cold. Just because Zergman is not a top 5 Zerg DOES NOT mean he can't have the number of a very good TvZ player.
Zergman is SERIOUSLY UNDERRATED, ESPECIALLY in ZvZ. He is proclaimed by others to be "invincible" in ZvZ in practice games. If a progamer says that about you, then you've got to be pretty fucking good. If Testie or Midian proclaimed me "invincible," then it really wouldn't matter what any of you thought about me -- I would be fucking good. Listen to people who know the game -- stop assuming you know it better than those who rape you. Honestly, with the sudden improvement of Zergman's form, my gut is telling me that the reason for his poor performances up until only recently was due to stage fright, nothing more.
Yellow has amazing ZvZ, but while he has a decent shot at making the finals, I'm not so sure he has great odds of winning it. Just a hunch, but he's facing so much underrated competition. Yellow is in very good form right now though, so maybe I will be wrong.
Shinhwa should not be underrated, though to be honest, I've always felt like he's more of a ZvP player. Maybe I'm just crazy.
Iris has beautiful mechanics. He honestly does have a good shot at going all the way, but beating CHojja is quite a challenge right now, and even if he manages that, if he has to face Yellow[name], I can't see him moving on. Yellow[name] is just a stud.
Chojja is the favorite to win this. Look at all those ZvZ's! Look at Chojja's ZvZ record! Do I need say more????
Jju, oh Jju. This dude is the real wildcard of the tournament. He doesn't seem to be a very consistent player, but when he's on, he's on. He could win this tournament, and he really does deserve it.
They also say Canata is invincible in practice -_-;; He is no OSL champ. Neither is Zergman. I don't dislike Zergman, I honestly liked him since his Gamei Romp when Muta/Lurk was a new concept and he was raping even Tosses with that shit... KT MGW Zergman... But I think Casy's up against the wall playing abilities are a different thing. -_-;; I'm a hopeless fan....
Why is everybody whining about Boxer? He got enough titles, let the new blood win. We all know that there are roamings that this was Boxer's OSL, they changed the format so that he was able to get a spot.
He probably just would have had to play against Zerg on his way to the title, and that's his speacilty. BUT HE LOST, SO HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO WIN.
On May 29 2006 05:59 polarwolf wrote: Why is everybody whining about Boxer?
Why do you even need to ask this? Boxer is the heart and soul of this entire thing, always has been, always will be. He's precious to everyone that appreciates this games for what it is - entertainment, fun, excitement, drama, ect
While I'm not talking directly to polarwolf, I'll never understand why people bash Boxer. It's like kids who bash the Final Fantasy series. They don't know how good it is because they've been spoiled by the current technology. I think it's the same for progaming, people are forgetting everything Boxer has done because they've been spoiled rotten by how much better players are today and how much more developed progaming has become
On May 29 2006 06:28 FireBlast! wrote: Although adding onto what pubbanana has said, I'd add that Boxer deserved to lose after that performance vs Shinhwa.
My previous post where i said Yellow raping Nameless 3-0, i dont really mean it. In fact i think Nameless could win if that match occurs. I voted zergman too, he seems in form lately...
Casy (the #5 seed), is the only seed left in the tournament.
Of the 2 big-name teams (SKT and KTF) that had the highest representation at this tournament; SKT (BoxeR, Oov, Midas, Rainbow, GoRush), KTF (GooDFriend, Sync, Yellow, ChOJJa, Nal_rA) KTF has two players remaining (ChOJJa and YellOw) while SKT is totally out of the tourney.
The three teams with the least represenation; Lecaf (ShinHwA), CJ (IriS), and SouL (Child) still have two players in the tournament.
The only team without a sponsor (KOR) still has two out of three players still in the tournament, and Cloud had to face against his own teammate. Casy and YellOw[Name] remain.
Samsung Khan, though heavily underrated has sneaked two out of their three players into the Elite 8 as well. ZergMaN and JJu have far outperformed what was expected (or what I expected) of them.
Groups B and D from the 24 player groups have nobody playing in the Elite 8.
On May 29 2006 05:59 polarwolf wrote: Why is everybody whining about Boxer?
Why do you even need to ask this? Boxer is the heart and soul of this entire thing, always has been, always will be. He's precious to everyone that appreciates this games for what it is - entertainment, fun, excitement, drama, ect
While I'm not talking directly to polarwolf, I'll never understand why people bash Boxer. It's like kids who bash the Final Fantasy series. They don't know how good it is because they've been spoiled by the current technology. I think it's the same for progaming, people are forgetting everything Boxer has done because they've been spoiled rotten by how much better players are today and how much more developed progaming has become
I am not bashing boxer, I really have respect for all he did for broodwar. Although I see this like a sportsman: I want the best to win
And sorry, boxer doesn't seem to be the best imho, after that horrible loss against shinwha.
On May 29 2006 05:59 polarwolf wrote: Why is everybody whining about Boxer?
Why do you even need to ask this? Boxer is the heart and soul of this entire thing, always has been, always will be. He's precious to everyone that appreciates this games for what it is - entertainment, fun, excitement, drama, ect
While I'm not talking directly to polarwolf, I'll never understand why people bash Boxer. It's like kids who bash the Final Fantasy series. They don't know how good it is because they've been spoiled by the current technology. I think it's the same for progaming, people are forgetting everything Boxer has done because they've been spoiled rotten by how much better players are today and how much more developed progaming has become
Exactly, Boxer made the game what it is today, and no one has a right to knock or anything. And this has not only been directed at polarwolf, people on a lot of forums like to bash him.
On May 29 2006 06:28 FireBlast! wrote: Although adding onto what pubbanana has said, I'd add that Boxer deserved to lose after that performance vs Shinhwa.
I agree, I even said in the Liquibet post that Shinhwa probably practiced himself to death for the match, but I don't think we can say the same for Boxer.
But still, he's BOXER. He can come back and win a best of 5 after being down 2 games on his weakest match up or he can lose to a Zerg that everyone considers to be second rate. You don't ever know what he's going to do, that's why I love him
I know you weren't bashing him polarwolf, but alot of people here like to since I guess it makes them look like they know what they're talking about. It's sickening
err I think boxer seriously underrated his opponent by attempting to cheese x3, instead of going a straight up tactic like he did vs Jju and the other zergs. but then again, shinhwa countered with his own little cheese so....hmm
i actually think boxer would be under-rating his opponent more if he DIDN'T prepare special builds on every map and planned on winning it through basic mechanics
then again all i know is he definitely didn't plan on facing 9pool >_<
I dont know if anyone else feels like me but after the group stage I found it hard to follow this OSL. Maybe it was an overload of matches or some players disappointing me in the wildcard or 16round but I havent felt like watching any games since Yellow vs GF. I just read about them and go "Hm thats nice." : [
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datz bad
