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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
May 07 2013 09:13 GMT
#1881
On May 07 2013 18:12 Cpt.beefy wrote:
If we best SB.

IMPOSSIBRUUUUUUUUUUUU

Ender's PC is back in action and I think he and DNH are just trying to get a time to play. And the sB Phoenix games are slowly getting played, should be done before next year I think ;D
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 13:36:10
May 07 2013 13:35 GMT
#1882
On May 07 2013 18:12 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Despa is patiently waiting for ender to come out of hiding n play DNH. If we win were thru. Even if we tie with courage because we beat them in our series. There is one game (that i can see) which wasnt accounted for in our favor. My w/o aganst l1ghtning in week 2. We are +8. If we best SB.

I never thought a single game would be as important as this has turned out, but I went and read back to Week 2 to see what happened with this game. L1ghtning posted asking if it was necessary to play the game or not, since the series had already been decided, but was willing to play if required. Shortly after, the official decision was made saying if both players agreed, it won't be counted towards team standings. ...And this was the last time this set was ever mentioned, and it wasn't counted towards team standings. And now, for the first time almost two months, you are claiming it as a walkover win? L1ghtning said he was willing to play the game if you wanted, but then nothing came from that, suggesting you agreed to not have the game counted towards team standings.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
May 07 2013 14:30 GMT
#1883
Good catch, Sent.

DeSPA, please keep it real.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
May 07 2013 15:33 GMT
#1884
Dazed_spy/Stardom(OD): michamicha and pivert94 are two of our least active players, and it's hard for me to get in touch with them, but they know that they need to reschedule. If they haven't contacted you, it's troubling.
Fabiano have offered to play instead of pivert94 though. I guess he could play the other game instead too. If you accept, PM him and decide a time.


Anyway, I think my game with AtomicArchon was a pretty greyish area, and if Despa just falls short, but can make the playoffs if AtomicArchon beats me, I'll play the game. That seems the most fair.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10156 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 18:35:38
May 07 2013 18:35 GMT
#1885
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
[image loading]

mSj 2 - 3 Sun KHAN

mSj[eevy] <Fighting Spirit> sGs.BaBo
mSj[fury] <Wind and Cloud> ImAtTheBeach walkover
mSj[naxel] <Pamir Plateut> NewJetCity
mSj[r2d2] <Circuit Breaker> KingGeedorah
mSj[holy] <Neo Jade> Mellial

Going to take a few days to get all the reps I reckon, but it will be done soon, promise! See y'all in playoffs <3

"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 18:44:32
May 07 2013 18:43 GMT
#1886
mSj vs Phoenix results.
+ Show Spoiler +

mSj[holy] Fighting Spirit Daenil
mSj[fury] Jade ProForward
mSj[eevy] Electric Circuit Animus
mSj[r2d2] Circuit Breakers Animus
mSj[eevy] Gemlong sGs.Kalk
Luv ya BroodWar!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10156 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 19:22:18
May 07 2013 19:18 GMT
#1887
+ Show Spoiler +
I smell upsets a-brewin' in this dramatic and decisive final week of DRTL... By my calculations, Sun KHAN is the only team with a guaranteed seed. If sB loses their last 2 matches, they will be 5-3; if TAKK loses they are 5-3; Courage is allready 5-3; if DeSPA wins they will be 5-3; many POTENTIAL 5-3's here, in which case some teams will be kicked out due to point differential or having lost to the team they are tied with! Thanks for the great season <3

Don't choke ;D
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
May 07 2013 20:58 GMT
#1888
DeSPA vs SB will be concluded on Thursday, mine and Ender's match is scheduled for 21:00 GMT

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
Eevy
Profile Joined May 2013
Russian Federation2 Posts
May 07 2013 21:25 GMT
#1889
Hi fellas. 1st of all want to thank org crew. DRTL is fun.

But i need to clarify 1 thing. While playing on drtl i loose only 2 times. It happened today D:
Before i was winning like 4 or 5 times in a row. So my personal record is 4-2 or 5-2.
In table of player rankings i appeared with record 2-1 at the beginning. And no updates D:
why?
bad english sry
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
May 07 2013 21:27 GMT
#1890
On May 08 2013 06:25 Eevy wrote:
Hi fellas. 1st of all want to thank org crew. DRTL is fun.

But i need to clarify 1 thing. While playing on drtl i loose only 2 times. It happened today D:
Before i was winning like 4 or 5 times in a row. So my personal record is 4-2 or 5-2.
In table of player rankings i appeared with record 2-1 at the beginning. And no updates D:
why?

The player rankings haven't been updated yet.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 07 2013 21:57 GMT
#1891
I'm confused. Both Fana and Animus linked to results vs mSj.

Khan was supposed to play this week vs mSj so that make sense...but Animus's do not, unless they are from Week 7?
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
May 07 2013 22:00 GMT
#1892
On May 08 2013 06:57 L_Master wrote:
I'm confused. Both Fana and Animus linked to results vs mSj.

Khan was supposed to play this week vs mSj so that make sense...but Animus's do not, unless they are from Week 7?

They're from week 7
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
May 07 2013 22:11 GMT
#1893
On May 07 2013 22:35 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 18:12 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Despa is patiently waiting for ender to come out of hiding n play DNH. If we win were thru. Even if we tie with courage because we beat them in our series. There is one game (that i can see) which wasnt accounted for in our favor. My w/o aganst l1ghtning in week 2. We are +8. If we best SB.

I never thought a single game would be as important as this has turned out, but I went and read back to Week 2 to see what happened with this game. L1ghtning posted asking if it was necessary to play the game or not, since the series had already been decided, but was willing to play if required. Shortly after, the official decision was made saying if both players agreed, it won't be counted towards team standings. ...And this was the last time this set was ever mentioned, and it wasn't counted towards team standings. And now, for the first time almost two months, you are claiming it as a walkover win? L1ghtning said he was willing to play the game if you wanted, but then nothing came from that, suggesting you agreed to not have the game counted towards team standings.


This is from my PM's. I dont lie.
Ask l1ghtning......

From: ninini [ 1178 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: game on resonance
Date: 3/19/13 23:35
I don't really think it's necessary to play as you've already won. And I haven't practiced anything on the map, for that reason. I would rather focus on the next week.

Original Message From Cpt.beefy:
we play today at 10 gmt? or tomorrow same time?

AA

Our Beloved Geoff "inControl" Robinson.
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
May 07 2013 22:17 GMT
#1894
On May 08 2013 00:33 ninini wrote:
Dazed_spy/Stardom(OD): michamicha and pivert94 are two of our least active players, and it's hard for me to get in touch with them, but they know that they need to reschedule. If they haven't contacted you, it's troubling.
Fabiano have offered to play instead of pivert94 though. I guess he could play the other game instead too. If you accept, PM him and decide a time.


Anyway, I think my game with AtomicArchon was a pretty greyish area, and if Despa just falls short, but can make the playoffs if AtomicArchon beats me, I'll play the game. That seems the most fair.



Here's my reply from all those weeks ago,
+ Show Spoiler +

To: ninini [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: game on resonance
Date: 3/20/13 02:34
Well, if thats how you feel ok.... I'll take the WO then.

I do think all the games matter. could be important further in the competion with game difference....

AA

Original Message From ninini:
I don't really think it's necessary to play as you've already won. And I haven't practiced anything on the map, for that reason. I would rather focus on the next week.

Hide nested quote -
Original Message From Cpt.beefy:
we play today at 10 gmt? or tomorrow same time?

AA


+ Show Spoiler +
I warned you....


AA
Our Beloved Geoff "inControl" Robinson.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
May 07 2013 22:36 GMT
#1895
You arbitrarily saying that you'll take the WO is not grounds for an actual walkover. If ninini had replied, "Nah I'll take the walkover instead." would that be valid either? Of course not.

All ninini (let alone any official organizer) acknowledged was that he felt the game unnecessary since you (in this case, your team DeSPA) had already won (the series).
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
May 07 2013 22:42 GMT
#1896
On May 08 2013 07:36 EchOne wrote:
You arbitrarily saying that you'll take the WO is not grounds for an actual walkover. If ninini had replied, "Nah I'll take the walkover instead." would that be valid either? Of course not.

All ninini (let alone any official organizer) acknowledged was that he felt the game unnecessary since you (in this case, your team DeSPA) had already won (the series).



Are u blind! He didnt want to play cos they had lost..the msg starts at the bottom.
Our Beloved Geoff "inControl" Robinson.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
May 07 2013 22:51 GMT
#1897
Nevertheless, I still feel like if L1ghtning never said "Here, you can take the W/O", then you shouldn't be taking the walkover. And really, there's the integrity part of this, would you really wanna advance to the playoffs on a BS +8?

I dunno, I feel like Airforce is very tolerant of things, and just wanting to take a win over their leader like that is a bit disrespectful... Maybe a little bias, but eh.
twitch.tv/dizzywee
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
May 07 2013 22:58 GMT
#1898
I still think it's a grey area. It was stated "if both players don't want to play, it won't be counted." Here we clearly have 1 player not wanting to play but the other, while not making any further request to play, taking the w/o. This is more like a "I don't really want to play but I do want the win." I assume communication stopped after that. I believe the entire reasoning for the rule was exactly for a situation like this: players should be obligated to play their games for the sake of definite standings so if one player doesn't want to play, it's up to the other to either enforce the game be played or accept a potential loss in standings, rather than just take the w/o immediately.

That said, the biggest issue here was a lack of communication, especially not replying to Lmaster's post about the game not being counted toward standings. As a result, people just assumed the game was not played (and it wasn't) and nobody had a problem with the ruling that it would not be counted (but apparently people did...just not until the game actually concretely mattered).
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
May 07 2013 23:05 GMT
#1899
Unless the game is played, I say the game not be counted. It's not a win for DeSPA/loss for Airforce, or any other way. Really, it wasn't played, nor did either player really agree to a walkover.

Although the end result will be what Lmaster says, maybe we can take a poll? Seems like the majority vote is what Lmaster usually leans towards...

Poll: Should AA take the W/O over L1ghtning?

No, they should play out the game. (2)
 
50%

Yes, L1ghtning agreed to not play. (1)
 
25%

The game shouldn't be counted either way. (1)
 
25%

4 total votes

Your vote: Should AA take the W/O over L1ghtning?

(Vote): No, they should play out the game.
(Vote): Yes, L1ghtning agreed to not play.
(Vote): The game shouldn't be counted either way.

twitch.tv/dizzywee
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 23:09:31
May 07 2013 23:08 GMT
#1900
Pretty sure if you forced the issue of wanting to playing l1ghtning back during week 2, or even claiming the walkover during week 2, no one would have cared. But you did neither, you claim his lack of reply as a walkover, but you never really went further with it, let alone bring the issue up in the thread. That's why everyone just assumed the game was never played it because both sides didn't feel it was necessary at the time. As it stands, you claiming a walkover now when your team needs it feels very underhanded.

edit: A poll now just feels stupid and will be biased. Both teams will try to sway the vote to their favour. It should be up to Lmaster to decide outside of public opinion.
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