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On May 07 2013 18:12 Cpt.beefy wrote: If we best SB. IMPOSSIBRUUUUUUUUUUUU
Ender's PC is back in action and I think he and DNH are just trying to get a time to play. And the sB Phoenix games are slowly getting played, should be done before next year I think ;D
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On May 07 2013 18:12 Cpt.beefy wrote: Despa is patiently waiting for ender to come out of hiding n play DNH. If we win were thru. Even if we tie with courage because we beat them in our series. There is one game (that i can see) which wasnt accounted for in our favor. My w/o aganst l1ghtning in week 2. We are +8. If we best SB. I never thought a single game would be as important as this has turned out, but I went and read back to Week 2 to see what happened with this game. L1ghtning posted asking if it was necessary to play the game or not, since the series had already been decided, but was willing to play if required. Shortly after, the official decision was made saying if both players agreed, it won't be counted towards team standings. ...And this was the last time this set was ever mentioned, and it wasn't counted towards team standings. And now, for the first time almost two months, you are claiming it as a walkover win? L1ghtning said he was willing to play the game if you wanted, but then nothing came from that, suggesting you agreed to not have the game counted towards team standings.
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Good catch, Sent.
DeSPA, please keep it real.
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Dazed_spy/Stardom(OD): michamicha and pivert94 are two of our least active players, and it's hard for me to get in touch with them, but they know that they need to reschedule. If they haven't contacted you, it's troubling. Fabiano have offered to play instead of pivert94 though. I guess he could play the other game instead too. If you accept, PM him and decide a time.
Anyway, I think my game with AtomicArchon was a pretty greyish area, and if Despa just falls short, but can make the playoffs if AtomicArchon beats me, I'll play the game. That seems the most fair.
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+ Show Spoiler [Results] +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3CD8y7N.png) mSj 2 - 3 Sun KHAN mSj[eevy] <Fighting Spirit> sGs.BaBo mSj[fury] <Wind and Cloud> ImAtTheBeach walkover mSj[naxel] <Pamir Plateut> NewJetCity mSj[r2d2] <Circuit Breaker>  KingGeedorah mSj[holy] <Neo Jade>  Mellial Going to take a few days to get all the reps I reckon, but it will be done soon, promise! See y'all in playoffs <3
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mSj vs Phoenix results. + Show Spoiler + mSj[holy] Fighting Spirit  Daenil  mSj[fury] Jade ProForward mSj[eevy] Electric Circuit Animus mSj[r2d2] Circuit Breakers Animus mSj[eevy] Gemlong  sGs.Kalk
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+ Show Spoiler +I smell upsets a-brewin' in this dramatic and decisive final week of DRTL... By my calculations, Sun KHAN is the only team with a guaranteed seed. If sB loses their last 2 matches, they will be 5-3; if TAKK loses they are 5-3; Courage is allready 5-3; if DeSPA wins they will be 5-3; many POTENTIAL 5-3's here, in which case some teams will be kicked out due to point differential or having lost to the team they are tied with! Thanks for the great season <3
Don't choke ;D
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DeSPA vs SB will be concluded on Thursday, mine and Ender's match is scheduled for 21:00 GMT
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Russian Federation2 Posts
Hi fellas. 1st of all want to thank org crew. DRTL is fun.
But i need to clarify 1 thing. While playing on drtl i loose only 2 times. It happened today D: Before i was winning like 4 or 5 times in a row. So my personal record is 4-2 or 5-2. In table of player rankings i appeared with record 2-1 at the beginning. And no updates D: why?
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On May 08 2013 06:25 Eevy wrote: Hi fellas. 1st of all want to thank org crew. DRTL is fun.
But i need to clarify 1 thing. While playing on drtl i loose only 2 times. It happened today D: Before i was winning like 4 or 5 times in a row. So my personal record is 4-2 or 5-2. In table of player rankings i appeared with record 2-1 at the beginning. And no updates D: why? The player rankings haven't been updated yet.
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I'm confused. Both Fana and Animus linked to results vs mSj.
Khan was supposed to play this week vs mSj so that make sense...but Animus's do not, unless they are from Week 7?
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Canada4481 Posts
On May 08 2013 06:57 L_Master wrote: I'm confused. Both Fana and Animus linked to results vs mSj.
Khan was supposed to play this week vs mSj so that make sense...but Animus's do not, unless they are from Week 7? They're from week 7
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On May 07 2013 22:35 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 18:12 Cpt.beefy wrote: Despa is patiently waiting for ender to come out of hiding n play DNH. If we win were thru. Even if we tie with courage because we beat them in our series. There is one game (that i can see) which wasnt accounted for in our favor. My w/o aganst l1ghtning in week 2. We are +8. If we best SB. I never thought a single game would be as important as this has turned out, but I went and read back to Week 2 to see what happened with this game. L1ghtning posted asking if it was necessary to play the game or not, since the series had already been decided, but was willing to play if required. Shortly after, the official decision was made saying if both players agreed, it won't be counted towards team standings. ...And this was the last time this set was ever mentioned, and it wasn't counted towards team standings. And now, for the first time almost two months, you are claiming it as a walkover win? L1ghtning said he was willing to play the game if you wanted, but then nothing came from that, suggesting you agreed to not have the game counted towards team standings.
This is from my PM's. I dont lie. Ask l1ghtning......
From: ninini [ 1178 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: game on resonance Date: 3/19/13 23:35 I don't really think it's necessary to play as you've already won. And I haven't practiced anything on the map, for that reason. I would rather focus on the next week.
Original Message From Cpt.beefy: we play today at 10 gmt? or tomorrow same time?
AA
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On May 08 2013 00:33 ninini wrote: Dazed_spy/Stardom(OD): michamicha and pivert94 are two of our least active players, and it's hard for me to get in touch with them, but they know that they need to reschedule. If they haven't contacted you, it's troubling. Fabiano have offered to play instead of pivert94 though. I guess he could play the other game instead too. If you accept, PM him and decide a time.
Anyway, I think my game with AtomicArchon was a pretty greyish area, and if Despa just falls short, but can make the playoffs if AtomicArchon beats me, I'll play the game. That seems the most fair.
Here's my reply from all those weeks ago, + Show Spoiler + To: ninini [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: game on resonance Date: 3/20/13 02:34 Well, if thats how you feel ok.... I'll take the WO then.
I do think all the games matter. could be important further in the competion with game difference....
AA
Original Message From ninini: I don't really think it's necessary to play as you've already won. And I haven't practiced anything on the map, for that reason. I would rather focus on the next week.
Hide nested quote - Original Message From Cpt.beefy: we play today at 10 gmt? or tomorrow same time?
AA
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You arbitrarily saying that you'll take the WO is not grounds for an actual walkover. If ninini had replied, "Nah I'll take the walkover instead." would that be valid either? Of course not.
All ninini (let alone any official organizer) acknowledged was that he felt the game unnecessary since you (in this case, your team DeSPA) had already won (the series).
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On May 08 2013 07:36 EchOne wrote: You arbitrarily saying that you'll take the WO is not grounds for an actual walkover. If ninini had replied, "Nah I'll take the walkover instead." would that be valid either? Of course not.
All ninini (let alone any official organizer) acknowledged was that he felt the game unnecessary since you (in this case, your team DeSPA) had already won (the series).
Are u blind! He didnt want to play cos they had lost..the msg starts at the bottom.
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Nevertheless, I still feel like if L1ghtning never said "Here, you can take the W/O", then you shouldn't be taking the walkover. And really, there's the integrity part of this, would you really wanna advance to the playoffs on a BS +8?
I dunno, I feel like Airforce is very tolerant of things, and just wanting to take a win over their leader like that is a bit disrespectful... Maybe a little bias, but eh.
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I still think it's a grey area. It was stated "if both players don't want to play, it won't be counted." Here we clearly have 1 player not wanting to play but the other, while not making any further request to play, taking the w/o. This is more like a "I don't really want to play but I do want the win." I assume communication stopped after that. I believe the entire reasoning for the rule was exactly for a situation like this: players should be obligated to play their games for the sake of definite standings so if one player doesn't want to play, it's up to the other to either enforce the game be played or accept a potential loss in standings, rather than just take the w/o immediately.
That said, the biggest issue here was a lack of communication, especially not replying to Lmaster's post about the game not being counted toward standings. As a result, people just assumed the game was not played (and it wasn't) and nobody had a problem with the ruling that it would not be counted (but apparently people did...just not until the game actually concretely mattered).
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Unless the game is played, I say the game not be counted. It's not a win for DeSPA/loss for Airforce, or any other way. Really, it wasn't played, nor did either player really agree to a walkover.
Although the end result will be what Lmaster says, maybe we can take a poll? Seems like the majority vote is what Lmaster usually leans towards...
Poll: Should AA take the W/O over L1ghtning?No, they should play out the game. (2) 50% Yes, L1ghtning agreed to not play. (1) 25% The game shouldn't be counted either way. (1) 25% 4 total votes Your vote: Should AA take the W/O over L1ghtning? (Vote): No, they should play out the game. (Vote): Yes, L1ghtning agreed to not play. (Vote): The game shouldn't be counted either way.
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Canada4481 Posts
Pretty sure if you forced the issue of wanting to playing l1ghtning back during week 2, or even claiming the walkover during week 2, no one would have cared. But you did neither, you claim his lack of reply as a walkover, but you never really went further with it, let alone bring the issue up in the thread. That's why everyone just assumed the game was never played it because both sides didn't feel it was necessary at the time. As it stands, you claiming a walkover now when your team needs it feels very underhanded.
edit: A poll now just feels stupid and will be biased. Both teams will try to sway the vote to their favour. It should be up to Lmaster to decide outside of public opinion.
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