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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 15:57:25
March 14 2013 15:36 GMT
#841

EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 15:53:07
March 14 2013 15:49 GMT
#842
lol, this is really isn't that complicated, right? DST pushed NA ahead by one hour. What used to be 2pm for the East Coast is now 3pm.

So if game time is for 8:00 PM CET, that means its 3:00 PM EDT.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 15:54:34
March 14 2013 15:53 GMT
#843
On March 15 2013 00:36 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 20:24 Nagisama wrote:
On March 14 2013 16:57 L_Master wrote:
On March 14 2013 16:49 arb wrote:
On March 14 2013 16:48 L_Master wrote:
Last week there was no DST.

This week if you live in NA and are scheduled at 2 EST, you actually show up at 11 EST.

I thought you said 1 hour? l0l.


Sorry. Converting to mountain in my head by default. 1 EST is what I meant to say

Uh... pretty sure NA should be showing up 1 hour LATER than usual because we went ahead 1 hour. This makes NA 1 hour closer to Europe.

Default Euro start time is 20:00 (8 PM) CETcorrect? Before Daylight Savings started, NA was 6 to 9 hours behind, making our original default start time was 14:00 (2 PM) EST/12:00 (12 PM) MST/11:00 (11 AM) PST.

Since we moved ahead one hour and Euro has not done Daylight Savings yet, NA is now 5 to 8 hours behind. This would make our current default start time be 15:00 (3PM) EDT/13:00 (1 PM) MDT/12:00 (12 PM) PDT.


DST pushed NA ahead an hour. To ignore this effect NA must move back one hour.

+ Show Spoiler +
Your logical basically went off. You went from 6 -> 5 hours behind via DST making it an hour later, but someone tried to argue that the way to reverse it would be to move another hour ahead. This would take us from 5 -> 4 hours, not from 5 ->6.

Put another way we need a 6 hour gap between NA and EU. DST reduced this to 5. We get back to that by arriving sooner.


I don't think you're correct. The point is that the game time does not change for EU correct? If it was 20:00 CET before, it should remain 20:00 CET.

If It was 20:00 CET, that means it was 14:00 EST, because of the 6 hour time difference. However, now there is only a 5 hour time difference between the two timezones. This means that when it is 20:00 CET, it is 15:00 EST.

What you're proposing would make the times 13:00 EST and 18:00 CET, which makes no sense because then they have to play 2 hours early and we play 1 hour early, and there still won't be a 6 hour time difference between gametimes.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 15:59:53
March 14 2013 15:57 GMT
#844
EST (what we were in weeks ago) is UTC -5. EDT (what we are in now) is UTC -4. In Week 1, we met at EST 1400, or UTC 1400+5, or UTC 1900. As soon as NA entered DST, people living in EST now transform to EDT. UTC remains unchanged, but NA residents' time difference is reduced by 1 hour. So to reach the same time, instead of 1900-5 = 1400 EST, we now have 1900-4 = 1500 EDT. 1400 EST and 1500 EDT are the same time, but they are two different zones. Since we change clocks there may be a misconception that we're rolling time forward or backward by some amount of hours but this isn't the case. The standard time is still the same, we simply enter a different time zone, a different label and set of numbers.

(I believe this isn't the case for Europe, since CET actually changes its time. CET is UTC +2 during DST and UTC +1 during other times of the year. Yet another element of confusion.)

As a thought exercise as to why 1pm/1300 Eastern is NOT the correct time to go to if we wish to stay with standard time...

We already concluded that Week 1 was held at 1400 EST or 1900 UTC. EDT is UTC -4, so to get UTC from EDT we just go EDT+4. Let's say we hold DRTL at 1300 Eastern, or because of DST, 1300 EDT. That means we are holding it at 1300 EDT + 4 = 1700 UTC. Now we are 2 hours earlier than Week 1.

=

I think the best way to implement this is to just have a set-in-stone UTC or GMT gametime, since these zones are applied throughout the year independent of stupid bullshit like DST. Then players from different time zones can be responsible for coordinating to that. If they can't do the math, they can just type "what time is it now utc" into google.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 16:07:13
March 14 2013 16:03 GMT
#845
IMPORTANT STUFF
  • Today is last day for line-ups. If they aren't in to me by today you will start losing sets.
  • DST Stuff: EU, show up SAME time as you did last week. Those in NA that have started daylight saving time show up ONE HOUR LATER. If it says 2 in the OP you now show up at 3.


If the time zone thing is really throwing you, just use GMT. EVERYBODY in this league should show up at 19:00 GMT
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
March 14 2013 17:51 GMT
#846
That's why everyone should use GMT in an international forum.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
March 14 2013 17:54 GMT
#847
On March 14 2013 18:41 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 18:23 Sinedd wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:17 arb wrote:
On March 14 2013 18:00 Sinedd wrote:
On March 14 2013 16:55 L_Master wrote:
Arb.& Ali.G/Sinedd

Since this is apparently causing problems I will mediate for you.

I want you 2/3 to pick a time that works, then report back to me here, and I will double check and ensure that you all are matched up properly on timezones and DST issues. If anyone is more than 15 min late for that confirmed time, W.O. will go to whoever did show up.

seems fair

my proposition is today/tomorrow 21 CET

how's that arb ?

I can't do tomorrow I work.
Just like I said in PM Unless its Today at say 2PM EDT or so I can't do today.

well ali is in work too plus he has kids... and he cant really play earlier sooooooooo..

im gonna ask him. He is a really friendly guy and eager to play too. we will try to work something out

cheers

I'm free most times Friday aswell if you'd prefer to do it then. Sunday/Tues/Thurs are no go's at all for me unless its before like 3PM EDT.

im gonna ask ali if he can play on friday around 20/21 cet then
T H C makes ppl happy
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
March 14 2013 17:59 GMT
#848
On March 15 2013 02:51 fabiano wrote:
That's why everyone should use GMT in an international forum.

I think we should use KST because it is at the top right of the page ^^ Also, BROOD WAR demands homage to the motherland.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
March 14 2013 18:12 GMT
#849
I know I've attempted to use KST in the past when coordinating times with people but for some reason they can't look at the top right corner of their screen and figure out the time conversion so they just ignore my suggestion or even get angry at me for not using THEIR timezone and the situation worsens. In other words, people are dumb which is why posts like Nagi's are necessary.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 21:19:59
March 14 2013 19:51 GMT
#850
TAKK v NW

chrisolo <Gemlong> Freedom
sGs.LMaster <Wind and Cloud> Maciej
Stardom(OD) <Neo Jade> Pumpkin[KDV]
greenelve <Circuit Breaker> MoreAndMore
dazed_spy <Resonance II> Ali.G

sB v mSj

sB.TheMarine - <Gemlong> mSj[fury]
sB.Birdie - <Wind and Cloud> mSj[holy]
Arca(Crema) - <Neo Jade> mSj[pururu]
sB.Stratos - <Circuit Breaker> mSj[r2d2]
sB.LCC - <Resonance II> mSj[prokaznik]


Airforce Ace of Spades v DeSPA

CityShuffle <Gemlong> art_of_turtle
CoughingHydra <Wind and Cloud> Ruak
mg.Arb <Neo Jade> Astrogation
sgsFabiano <Circuit Breaker> Psyonic_Reaver
L1ghtning <Resonance II> AtomicArchon
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 21:16:21
March 14 2013 21:07 GMT
#851
Phoenix and AAoS I still do not have your lineups.

Got 9 hours to get them to be before you recieve a 1 set penalty.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
March 14 2013 21:36 GMT
#852
arb - maybe sunday 20/21 cet ?
T H C makes ppl happy
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 22:56:30
March 14 2013 22:51 GMT
#853
NVM I being a idiot...
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
March 15 2013 00:03 GMT
#854
On March 15 2013 04:51 L_Master wrote:
TAKK v NW

chrisolo <Gemlong> Freedom
sGs.LMaster <Wind and Cloud> Maciej
Stardom(OD) <Neo Jade> Pumpkin[KDV]
greenelve <Circuit Breaker> MoreAndMore
dazed_spy <Resonance II> Ali.G

sB v mSj

sB.TheMarine - <Gemlong> mSj[fury]
sB.Birdie - <Wind and Cloud> mSj[holy]
Arca(Crema) - <Neo Jade> mSj[pururu]
sB.Stratos - <Circuit Breaker> mSj[r2d2]
sB.LCC - <Resonance II> mSj[prokaznik]


Airforce Ace of Spades v DeSPA

CityShuffle <Gemlong> art_of_turtle
CoughingHydra <Wind and Cloud> Ruak
mg.Arb <Neo Jade> Astrogation
sgsFabiano <Circuit Breaker> Psyonic_Reaver
L1ghtning <Resonance II> AtomicArchon


wait coughing hydra is also Z race picker

how was it decided who got to play Z/T?
insanesky
Profile Joined July 2009
Poland24 Posts
March 15 2013 00:11 GMT
#855
freedom easy, maciej easy, alig easy, m&m easy
iS powah
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 00:50:23
March 15 2013 00:47 GMT
#856
Feenix pst lainahp pls
[image loading]


EDIT: Most anticipated match so far has to be AA vs. L1ghtning, I feel like that is one of the more evenly matched games on the best map for the showdown considering races and etc.!
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 01:38:35
March 15 2013 01:38 GMT
#857
On March 15 2013 09:11 insanesky wrote:
freedom easy, maciej easy, alig easy, m&m easy


So we only need to be worried about Pumpkin?

Thanks for the tip :p
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 06:27:48
March 15 2013 06:27 GMT
#858
Phoenix will receive a -1 set deduction from their match this week.

If I do not have a line-up from you by 24 hours from this post, you will have a -2 set deduction. I'm not sure what is going on with the team but if some other member wants to step up, talk to the team, and get a line-up in that is acceptable to me.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
March 15 2013 06:48 GMT
#859
On March 15 2013 10:38 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 09:11 insanesky wrote:
freedom easy, maciej easy, alig easy, m&m easy


So we only need to be worried about Pumpkin?

Thanks for the tip :p

positive thinking is pretty important..

T H C makes ppl happy
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 15 2013 07:06 GMT
#860
mG.arb vs Ali.G 16 CET 11 EDT Saturday
Time agreed upon^
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