[TLS] Results and Standings - Page 2

dRaW

Canada5744 Posts

January 19 2013 16:47 GMT

#21

On January 19 2013 14:30 GGzerG wrote:
I really didn't expect Zergs to do so well in this , i'm really surprised by these stats.

We're letting them have a false sense of security so when the main event happens we will just crush them ezpz.

vOdToasT

Sweden2870 Posts

January 19 2013 17:49 GMT

#22

On January 19 2013 21:23 stevewch wrote:
z is dominating in foreign scene...

Z in 2012 is like P was in 2007 - 2009. I wonder why

ArvickHero

10387 Posts

January 20 2013 17:25 GMT

#23

Updated up to Q3. Thank you all for pointing out errors so far, they have been corrected .. though I can't guarantee there won't be new ones :p lol

Also, i'd like to point out that Electric Circuit initially seemed pretty Zerg favored in ZvT, it's just as time went on Terrans adapted and figured out the correct way to play the map and shifted the map balance (same with PvZ). Perhaps Terrans just need to learn some new builds? Or/and do a better latemech switch lol

FyRe_DragOn

Canada2056 Posts

January 20 2013 20:02 GMT

#24

in determining the top12, how are players chosen of the same points? For example lets say # 11, 12, 13, 14 etc all had 80points, what happens then?

dRaW

Canada5744 Posts

January 20 2013 21:26 GMT

#25

On January 21 2013 02:25 ArvickHero wrote:
Updated up to Q3. Thank you all for pointing out errors so far, they have been corrected .. though I can't guarantee there won't be new ones :p lol

Also, i'd like to point out that Electric Circuit initially seemed pretty Zerg favored in ZvT, it's just as time went on Terrans adapted and figured out the correct way to play the map and shifted the map balance (same with PvZ). Perhaps Terrans just need to learn some new builds? Or/and do a better latemech switch lol

thanks a lot

Also @ FS, I PvZ southpark once and you have it double posted as PvT.

Time to be a dick NSFW!
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Protoss vs Zerg is almost at a normal expectancy of 45-46%. I watched today's games and looked at the results and saw barely any protoss beating zergs, then I started to tabulate (as I am a bored arrogant bastard). We'll call this, the draw factor.

PvZ
Overall: 47-61 43.5%
Draw: 14-7 67%
Overall-Draw: 33-54 38%

@Jade
Overall: 15-15 50%
Draw: 4-1 80%
O-D: 11-14 44%

@EC
Overall: 9-17 34.6%
Draw: 3-3 50%
O-D: 7-14 33%

@FS
Overall: 23-29 44%
Draw: 7-2 78%
O-D: 16-27 37%

So the overall PvZ was bumped 5.5% from my matches alone, and I happened to throw a game vs JimBG in a troll fashion. Jade PvZ was bumped 6%, EC was the lowest win% and only bumped 1.6% [with only a 50% win rate, I can see why it wasn't increased that much]. Finally, FS was bumped a whole 7%, seems like Protoss are not too comfortable on this map in the match-up.

Conclusion, The Draw Factor or TDF is a real thing, we need more Protosses to start using it to increase our win-rates against these zerg scums. Ultimately, if anyone happens to have similar conclusions or statistics (i.e Terror is the only terran winning on X map) let me know.

HawaiianPig

Canada5155 Posts

January 21 2013 04:12 GMT

#26

draw is to Protoss as savior is to Zerg?

Does this mean draw is match fixing?????????

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 21 2013 04:18 GMT

#27

I would like to point out that ArvickHero is a scholar and a gentleman on top of a hero, so heap praise on him if you get the chance.

(Also updated for Q4)

TelecoM

United States10686 Posts

January 21 2013 04:55 GMT

#28

Thanks for this! Can't wait for the actual event. Hopefully a Zerg doesn't win that too. :-P

Sum41

Chile345 Posts

January 21 2013 05:19 GMT

#29

On January 21 2013 13:12 HawaiianPig wrote:
draw is to Protoss as savior is to Zerg?

Does this mean draw is match fixing?????????

no... he's like Savior between end of 2005 and 2007, a badass winning when no other guy using his same race does. Savior didn't match fixed in his era of dominance, it was a couple of years later

thezanursic

5497 Posts

January 21 2013 06:30 GMT

#30

If the next qualifier is also Zerg dominated as well I'll punch a pillow really hard!

dRaW

Canada5744 Posts

January 22 2013 02:42 GMT

#31

On January 21 2013 05:02 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
in determining the top12, how are players chosen of the same points? For example lets say # 11, 12, 13, 14 etc all had 80points, what happens then?

was this ever answered?

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

January 22 2013 03:26 GMT

#32

Sorry to nitpick, but it should be "Points Table as of Qualifier 4" if my understanding is correct.

On January 21 2013 05:02 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
in determining the top12, how are players chosen of the same points? For example lets say # 11, 12, 13, 14 etc all had 80points, what happens then?

Looking at the wiki, I thought the ties would be resolved through playoffs.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 22 2013 06:06 GMT

#33

On January 22 2013 12:26 Hesmyrr wrote:
Sorry to nitpick, but it should be "Points Table as of Qualifier 4" if my understanding is correct.

Fixed, thanks for pointing it out.

thezanursic

5497 Posts

January 22 2013 06:29 GMT

#34

Must should really try a little harder to qualify because he could do it easily...

dRaW

Canada5744 Posts

January 22 2013 15:54 GMT

#35

On January 22 2013 15:29 thezanursic wrote:
Must should really try a little harder to qualify because he could do it easily...

he should have tried all the qualifiers because he is inconsistent and I can see him qualifying and also not qualifying.

dRaW

Canada5744 Posts

January 22 2013 16:54 GMT

#36

Top 12 Current Qualifying Candidates statistical break-down:

#1 Terror
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Overall: 16-6 (72.3%)
vs

6-5 (54.5%)
vs

6-1 (85.6%)
vs

4-0 (100%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 5-2 (71.4%)
vs

2-2 (50%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

2-0 (100%)

Jade
Overall: 5-2 (71.4%)
vs

1-2 (33%)
vs

2-0 (100%)
vs

2-0 (100%)

FS
Overall: 6-2 (75%)
vs

3-1 (75%)
vs

0-0

Achievements
Q1: Ro4 -> 0-2 vs Eonzerg
Q2: Ro8 -> 0-2 vs Bakuryu
Q3: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Julia
Q4: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Dredre /

#2 Voddy
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Overall: 13-5 (72.2%)
vs

3-1 (75%)
vs

8-4 (67%)
vs

4-0 (100%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 5-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

4-0 (100%)
vs

0-0

Jade
Overall: 4-1 (80%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

FS
Overall: 5-4 (55.6%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

3-3 (50%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

Achievements
Q1: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Draw
Q2: Ro8 -> 1-2 vs Draw
Q3: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Dewalt
Q4: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Drone

#3 Jim[BG]
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Overall: 12-6 (67%)
vs

4-1 (80%)
vs

4-4 (50%)
vs

4-1 (80%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 3-2 (60%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

2-1 (67%)
vs

0-1 (0%)

Jade
Overall: 3-1 (75%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

FS
Overall: 6-3 (67%)
vs

2-1 (67%)
vs

1-2 (33%)
vs

3-0 (100%)

Achievements
Q1: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Eonzerg
Q2: Ro128 -> 0-1 vs LancerX
Q3: Ro4 -> 1-2 vs Draw
Q4: Ro32-> 0-1 vs Drone

#4 TTF
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Overall: 8-5 (61.5%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

5-2 (71.4%)
vs

2-2 (50%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 2-2 (50%)
vs

0-0
vs

2-1 (67%)
vs

0-1 (0%)

Jade
Overall: 2-3 (40%)
vs

0-1 (0%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

1-1 (50%)

FS
Overall: 4-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

2-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

Achievements
Q1: Ro8-> 0-2 vs Terror
Q2: Ro64 -> 0-1 vs Julia
Q3: Ro8 -> 0-2 vs Draw
Q4: -> Didn't Participate

#5 Enjoyme
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Overall: 13-5 (72.2%)
vs

2-3 (40%)
vs

6-1 (85.7%)
vs

3-1 (75%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 3-1 (75%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

2-0 (100%)
vs

0-0

Jade
Overall: 3-2 (60%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

FS
Overall: 5-2 (71.4%)
vs

0-1 (0%)
vs

3-0 (100%)
vs

2-1 (67%)

Achievements
Q1: Ro8 -> 1-2 vs Bakuryu
Q2: Ro64 -> 0-1 vs Dienmax
Q3: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs TTF
Q4: Ro132 -> 0-1 vs Dashwriter

#6 Nemu
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Overall: 9-4 (69.2%)
vs

5-2 (71.4%)
vs

3-2 (60%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 2-2 (50%)
vs

2-1 (67%)
vs

0-1 (0%)
vs

0-0

Jade
Overall: 3-1 (80%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

2-0 (100%)
vs

0-0

FS
Overall: 4-1 (8%)
vs

2-0 (100%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

Achievements
Q1: Ro32-> 0-1 vs Draw
Q2: Ro8 -> 0-2 vs Trutacz
Q3:-> Didn't Participate
Q4: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Hellerine

#7 ZZZero
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Overall: 8-3 (72.7%)
vs

5-3 (62.5%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

2-0 (100%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 2-1 (67%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

0-0

Jade
Overall: 3-2 (60%)
vs

1-2 (50%)
vs

0-0
vs

2-0 (100%)

FS
Overall: 3-0 (100%)
vs

3-0 (100%)
vs

0-0
vs

0-0

Achievements
Q1: -> Didn't Participate
Q2: -> Didn't Participate
Q3: Ro4 -> 0-2 vs SouthPark
Q4: -> Didn't Participate

#7 Drone
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Overall: 7-4 (63.6%)
vs

3-4 (42.9%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

3-0 (100%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 2-1 (67%)
vs

2-1 (67%)
vs

0-0
vs

0-0

Jade
Overall: 1-3 (25%)
vs

0-3 (0%)
vs

0-0
vs

1-0 (100%)

FS
Overall: 4-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

2-0 (100%)

Achievements
Q1: -> Didn't Participate
Q2: -> Didn't Participate
Q3: Ro64 -> 0-1 vs Naugrim
Q4: Ro4 -> 0-2 vs Julia

#7 Hellerine
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Overall: 7-3 (70%)
vs

4-1 (80%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

2-2 (50%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 1-2 (33%)
vs

0-1 (0%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

0-1 (0%)

Jade
Overall: 3-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

0-0
vs

2-0 (100%)

FS
Overall: 3-1 (75%)
vs

3-0 (100%)
vs

0-0
vs

0-1 (0%)

Achievements
Q1: -> Didn't Participate
Q2: -> Didn't Participate
Q3: -> Didn't Participate
Q4: Ro4 -> 1-2 vs Dredre

#10 Dewalt
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Overall: 7-3 (70%)
vs

3-0 (100%)
vs

2-2 (50%)
vs

2-1 (67%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 2-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

0-0 (100%)

Jade
Overall: 2-1 (67%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

0-1 (0%)

FS
Overall: 3-2 (60%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

1-2 (33%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

Achievements
Q1: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Enjoyme
Q2: Didn't Participate
Q3: Ro8 -> 0-2 vs Southpark
Q4: Didn't Participate

#10 Octzerg
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Overall: 8-4 (67%)
vs

3-3 (50%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

4-0 (100%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 3-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (50%)
vs

0-0
vs

2-0 (100%)

Jade
Overall: 2-1 (67%)
vs

0-1 (0%)
vs

0-0
vs

2-0 (100%)

FS
Overall: 3-3 (50%)
vs

2-2 (50%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

0-0

Achievements
Q1: Ro128 -> 0-1 vs Flip
Q2: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Draw
Q3: -> Didn't Participate
Q4: Ro8 -> 1-2 vs Hellerine

#12 Pike
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Overall: 8-1 (88.9%)
vs

3-0 (100%)
vs

4-1 (80%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 2-1 (67%)
vs

0-0
vs

2-1 (67%)
vs

0-0

Jade
Overall: 3-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

2-0 (100%)
vs

0-0

FS
Overall: 3-0 (100%)
vs

2-0 (100%)
vs

0-0
vs

1-0 (100%)

Achievements
Q1: Ro16 -> WO loss vs LancerX
Q2: -> Didn't Participate
Q3: Ro16 -> WO loss vs ZZZero
Q4: Ro32 -> 0-1 vs Voddy

#12 Ace
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Overall: 10-3 (76.9%)
vs

4-2 (67%)
vs

5-1 (83%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

By Map
EC
Overall: 3-1 (75%)
vs

1-1 (50%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (100%)

Jade
Overall: 3-0 (100%)
vs

1-0 (100%)
vs

2-0 (100%)
vs

0-0

FS
Overall: 4-2 (67%)
vs

2-1 (67%)
vs

0-0

Achievements
Q1: Ro64 -> WO loss vs Voddy
Q2: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Nemu
Q3: Ro16 -> 0-1 vs Draw
Q4: Ro32 -> 0-1 vs Cosy

Looking at the people below top 12, I am starting to expect the cut off to be around 60 points. I would be surprised by this point, for instance, if Hellerine didn't qualify even if he doesn't show up this weekend.