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trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
February 16 2013 08:59 GMT
#81
Dunno if i can spoil.
yo~.~
skzlime
Profile Joined July 2005
Hungary462 Posts
February 16 2013 21:23 GMT
#82
i am gravely disappointed by Game's way of handling a negligible dispute today. i ask the other organiser(s) of this league to overturn his decision regarding set 2 of this week's NW and keep his authority in check. i find the decision unacceptable and, quite frankly, petty.
life is balanced, L2P
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
February 16 2013 21:38 GMT
#83
On February 17 2013 06:23 skzlime wrote:
i am gravely disappointed by Game's way of handling a negligible dispute today. i ask the other organiser(s) of this league to overturn his decision regarding set 2 of this week's NW and keep his authority in check. i find the decision unacceptable and, quite frankly, petty.

You're confusing a player made decision with one I'd make as an organizer.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
skzlime
Profile Joined July 2005
Hungary462 Posts
February 16 2013 22:37 GMT
#84
+ Show Spoiler +
i most certainly am not. in my eyes you got a shot at a cheap win that decided the series, and you took it instantly. i understand both the rules and your actions. i am simply strongly disagreeing with the outcome. i feel cheated, and i am sure i'm not the only one. i bet there are even some NA players who wouldn't want to advance this way.

i would also like to officially apologise for v0rti not saying gg and getting angry after losing game 2.

seriously, this incident reminds me of pros getting DQ'd for typing pp instead of ppp.
life is balanced, L2P
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 00:17:38
February 17 2013 00:13 GMT
#85
So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.

I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.

edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.
aka DragOn[NaS]
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
February 17 2013 00:23 GMT
#86
On one hand, the need for technicalities is bullshit, and it feels like we should expand the roster size to include 15 players, 2 managers, and a designated legal retainer. On the other hand, it really wouldn't be nation wars if there wasn't any salt, now would it?
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
February 17 2013 01:14 GMT
#87
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.

I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.

edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.



wtf is this? Logicial decision is ban Game for his attitude
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
February 17 2013 01:25 GMT
#88
its not game fault that people keep asking him to organice tours
ace hwaiting!!
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
February 17 2013 06:08 GMT
#89
On February 17 2013 07:37 skzlime wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
i most certainly am not. in my eyes you got a shot at a cheap win that decided the series, and you took it instantly. i understand both the rules and your actions. i am simply strongly disagreeing with the outcome. i feel cheated, and i am sure i'm not the only one. i bet there are even some NA players who wouldn't want to advance this way.

i would also like to officially apologise for v0rti not saying gg and getting angry after losing game 2.

seriously, this incident reminds me of pros getting DQ'd for typing pp instead of ppp.


all reps are saved, I just remembered if you goto wDetector folder in replays (if you are using wLauncher that is) else... chaos launcher doesnt have the feature unless enabled
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
February 17 2013 06:20 GMT
#90
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.


Is this real life? hahaha
AdministratorNot actually Hawaiian.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
February 17 2013 06:57 GMT
#91
On February 17 2013 15:20 HawaiianPig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.


Is this real life? hahaha


Yeah, that just happened.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
February 17 2013 07:49 GMT
#92
lol was that the deciding game? rofl!
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
February 17 2013 08:54 GMT
#93
On February 17 2013 15:20 HawaiianPig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.


Is this real life? hahaha

wut wut ?

hahaha.. this is just some major bullshit lol

well played from both sides ! GJ...
T H C makes ppl happy
SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4012 Posts
February 17 2013 09:27 GMT
#94
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.

I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.

edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.


This is genuinely amazing. I had to read it twice to make sure that I hadn't misunderstood.
Moderator@SirJolt
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
February 17 2013 11:02 GMT
#95
special dedication for a game and his friend dragon

chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2610 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 11:20:05
February 17 2013 11:18 GMT
#96
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.

I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.

edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.


But as an organizer it is tbh quite obvious that you save the replays and have them by yourself. You can expect by natural logic that if you play against an organizer, he will definitly already save that replays to have them. "Dividing" yourself as a player, while being a organizer, seems douchy and it does not only seem so, it is. No matter how much BM vorti was, if you are an Organizer of this league you should be a good model for Good manners and stuff. Also this Stuff is much more BM then anything else. Not granting the win, is whiny attitude. It kind of creates a shady situation if you act like this and discredits your whole league. I mean this would be acceptable if Game was not an Organizer, but as he is, I think he should be forced to use his own Autoreplay folder (btw how in hell you do not play with Autoreplay on t.t).

So Game if you have those replays, share them and shine as a good person and try not to discredit this Nation Wars, which is not even financially supported by you, but by SBWI. This game was played (since you did not claim it wasnt), so be a man and account for that win and thus share those replays...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
February 17 2013 11:46 GMT
#97
Everyone that is surprised by Game's decision, is not fully aware of some examples that happened throughout the SBWI league so far. Game organizes it and knows just about everything that happened. And given some examples, it's standard and understandable to make such a decision, at least in this season (assuming what DragOn said is 100% accurate). In a rather similar (but much worse imo) fashion, our team - EE (Eastern Europe) wasn't even given the chance to advance to the Playoffs stage.

I feel sorry to see skzlime disappointed though. I know I won't be able to make him feel good. I've been in similar to his place recently SBWIwise and I know there is no way to do that. But his words "i understand both the rules and your actions. i am simply strongly disagreeing with the outcome. i feel cheated" are nicely describing in short how I felt when EE didn't have the chance to advance further into this league.
Enjoy the game
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
February 17 2013 12:41 GMT
#98
--- Nuked ---
PiKe
Profile Joined July 2005
Poland181 Posts
February 17 2013 12:49 GMT
#99

+
On February 17 2013 20:18 chrisolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.

I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.

edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.


But as an organizer it is tbh quite obvious that you save the replays and have them by yourself. You can expect by natural logic that if you play against an organizer, he will definitly already save that replays to have them. "Dividing" yourself as a player, while being a organizer, seems douchy and it does not only seem so, it is. No matter how much BM vorti was, if you are an Organizer of this league you should be a good model for Good manners and stuff. Also this Stuff is much more BM then anything else. Not granting the win, is whiny attitude. It kind of creates a shady situation if you act like this and discredits your whole league. I mean this would be acceptable if Game was not an Organizer, but as he is, I think he should be forced to use his own Autoreplay folder (btw how in hell you do not play with Autoreplay on t.t).

So Game if you have those replays, share them and shine as a good person and try not to discredit this Nation Wars, which is not even financially supported by you, but by SBWI. This game was played (since you did not claim it wasnt), so be a man and account for that win and thus share those replays...


+100, Dave be a man, don't act like a hurt girl
ggnore
radley
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland582 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 13:18:43
February 17 2013 13:18 GMT
#100
As I have learnt through my experience, the only one thing you can receive while whining on Game, is ban from him in competition or ban on TL forum. He's not worth of it.
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