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On February 18 2013 09:18 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 09:02 LRM)nOoNe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2013 07:23 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 03:06 ForeignBW wrote:
The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances. This is just a really bad decision to make up for an even worse decision. v0rti won 2-1. Central Europe should be up by one match, not down. If the bm was bad like "Fuck this all-in faggot shit", then yeah, I could see v0rti being DQ'd, but unless the replays are released, all I can see is he didn't give Game a "gg". The correct decision would've been to give v0rti a warning, continue with the series 3-2 in CE's favor. Why just a warning? Because CE doesn't have a history of bad manners and breaking rules. Even the fact that you considered reversing the series because of a minor first offense in a money-tournament is appalling. This latest decision is (pardon my French) bullshit because you're putting CE in a position where they must win two sets in a row, and on one day's notice. This puts them at a massive disadvantage, because they have to fill a spot on very short notice or get the good ol' w.o, -or- have to win the next set, and the ace match when they were in a winning position in the first place. I don't want to hear some "Blah blah blah read the rules" bullshit, because this isn't a professional big-league by any stretch of the imagination, so there's some room for leniency. I sincerely believe the following should be done: 1 - Game should issue an apology to CE for poor league management. 2 - The score should be 3-2 in favor of CE. 3 - CE and NA should have an extended period to continue the series, due to extenuating circumstances involved. 4 - Following Rule 17 Show nested quote +
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Game should be penalized for bad manners on the Official SBWI Nation War thread for this: And Game should be Barred from participating in the finals. This is a good example of why people who aren't involved shouldn't comment. Sorry, I was very drunk when I posted that. What I think I meant to say is that Game should resign as league organizer.
You sobbered up in 2 hours! TEACH ME MASTER!!!
Can you guys try to keep this thread a little bit more civil?
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Radley, v0rti, Game, and Mazur are banned from the finals citing rule 17.
@dRaW + Geckoxp + Epoxide
The results will be updated tomorrow.
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why Mazur was banned? It wasnt bm, just the facts
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On February 21 2013 10:53 ForeignBW wrote:
Radley, v0rti, Game, and Mazur are banned from the finals citing rule 17.
@dRaW + Geckoxp + Epoxide
The results will be updated tomorrow.
hahaha thats now really silly!
I just wrote about situations that had place in other tours (ANW, GC, ICC CL, smaller tours). "Strange" That in most problematic situations there were Game on one side and each time someone difrend on the other...
And about me being banned - its nothig coz ive got my hand broken so I wasnt planing to play the finals.
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On February 17 2013 22:18 radley wrote:
As I have learnt through my experience, the only one thing you can receive while whining on Game, is ban from him in competition or ban on TL forum. He's not worth of it.
And Radley got banned for this? r u serius? u behave like a 5 year old.
The best thing is that im right (what I wrote about Game and his actions) coz u changed the decision, and im geting banned for it ^^
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Game you're being ridiculous now...
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On February 21 2013 13:44 Mazur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 22:18 radley wrote:
As I have learnt through my experience, the only one thing you can receive while whining on Game, is ban from him in competition or ban on TL forum. He's not worth of it. And Radley got banned for this? r u serius? u behave like a 5 year old. The best thing is that im right (what I wrote about Game and his actions) coz u changed the decision, and im geting banned for it ^^
The irony xD
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On February 21 2013 10:53 ForeignBW wrote:
Radley, v0rti, Game, and Mazur are banned from the finals citing rule 17.
@dRaW + Geckoxp + Epoxide
The results will be updated tomorrow.
Radley and Mazur too ?
W A T ???
hahah
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On February 21 2013 16:53 Sinedd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 10:53 ForeignBW wrote:
Radley, v0rti, Game, and Mazur are banned from the finals citing rule 17.
@dRaW + Geckoxp + Epoxide
The results will be updated tomorrow. Radley and Mazur too ? W A T ??? hahah
Plot Twist indeed!
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quick, everyone BM in this thread if you're scheduled for the finals so everyone is banned!!! it'll be awesome
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i think ForeignBW would be great apparatchik.
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On February 20 2013 17:57 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
EE vs PL week 5 of regular season
Pike 2 > 1 Inf3cted. Pike didn't save the replays. Me and Inf3cted decided to make a good will gesture and make PL the favour of sending replays without reversing the score in EE favour (as the rules say). This one set can't cost us the whole season, right? Right?
JIM 2 > 1 Julia. They played a map that is not in the map pool so score was drawed.
After Week 6, there was only 1 NW not played - between EE and AP from Round 1. After calculations, even if EE 6:0 AP, EE would be 1 point away from a tie with PL and RU.
I go and ask PL's captain "Hey, lets go play JIM vs Julia set, so EE have a chance to TIE the score if EE 6-0s AP and EE not be completely screwed up?"
Not only do I receive a bunch of general talk "EE could have won other matches" and comments of totally other subject like "all admins hate poles" but before saying 'no' for the 3rd time, PL's leader straight up lied to me that Pike had the replays, while from what I’m told, he totally didn’t?! How would anyone that is aware of that example, do a favour like that?
Because of PL’s leader now I must act like a nitpicking the rules retard in such cases?
I had only last replay (as it saved itself lastreplay.rep in folder) because i hadn't known that my autoreplay after update doesn't work. I told about it to Game and he asked Inf3cted does he has replays and want to send them to him, but Game said clearly that if he won't get it from Inf3cted i will get 0-2 w.o. because i don't have all replays. It was Inf3cted decision.
I would be only very disappointed if Inf3cted won't do it, as i am now seeing Game decision about not sharing his replays vs v0rti.
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btw why i cant reply in BW Strategy sub forum?
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As a leader of Polish team I'm going to withdraw my team if this + Show Spoiler +Radley, v0rti, Game, and Mazur are banned from the finals citing rule 17. 17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Wait, I thought if you follow the rules, you follow them since beggining, not when the league is almost over, right? BM was presented for whole season, so i really don't understand what's going on here. Uhmm and sorry but i don't see any BM from Radley and Mazur. But if sharing a expression to others is BM then, there should be a rule about not being able to speak during the league.
Also TechnicS, you don't have to be shady, you can put my name instead of PL leader.
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On February 21 2013 23:44 mca64[KDV] wrote:
btw why i cant reply in BW Strategy sub forum?
You were banned from posting in the Brood War strategy forum for seven days for a post that read,
why toss is so gay?
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On February 22 2013 00:13 trutaCz wrote:
Also TechnicS, you don't have to be shady, you can put my name instead of PL leader.
I am not shady at all. I said everything very openly. Everyone can see the nickname on the front page of almost every SBWI Nation Wars thread. I just don't want to type it, that's all.
Shady might be a guy that straight up lied or something. In our case, this is not me.
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On February 21 2013 23:38 PiKe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 17:57 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
EE vs PL week 5 of regular season
Pike 2 > 1 Inf3cted. Pike didn't save the replays. Me and Inf3cted decided to make a good will gesture and make PL the favour of sending replays without reversing the score in EE favour (as the rules say). This one set can't cost us the whole season, right? Right?
JIM 2 > 1 Julia. They played a map that is not in the map pool so score was drawed.
After Week 6, there was only 1 NW not played - between EE and AP from Round 1. After calculations, even if EE 6:0 AP, EE would be 1 point away from a tie with PL and RU.
I go and ask PL's captain "Hey, lets go play JIM vs Julia set, so EE have a chance to TIE the score if EE 6-0s AP and EE not be completely screwed up?"
Not only do I receive a bunch of general talk "EE could have won other matches" and comments of totally other subject like "all admins hate poles" but before saying 'no' for the 3rd time, PL's leader straight up lied to me that Pike had the replays, while from what I’m told, he totally didn’t?! How would anyone that is aware of that example, do a favour like that?
Because of PL’s leader now I must act like a nitpicking the rules retard in such cases?
I had only last replay (as it saved itself lastreplay.rep in folder) because i hadn't known that my autoreplay after update doesn't work. I told about it to Game and he asked Inf3cted does he has replays and want to send them to him, but Game said clearly that if he won't get it from Inf3cted i will get 0-2 w.o. because i don't have all replays. It was Inf3cted decision. I would be only very disappointed if Inf3cted won't do it, as i am now seeing Game decision about not sharing his replays vs v0rti.
Pike, I don't blame on you. It's just that the case involves you. I suppose you even weren't aware about that (that we asked for favour and didn't receive it).
It doesn't matter whose decision it was. EE gave PL a HUGE favour and 1-2weeks later, when EE asked for a much smaller one - we got denied by PL (JIM vs Julia game). Not only did EE got denied, but received some shallow talks and a try for a straight up lie.
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Imo, don't ban anyone because this turned into a mess on both sides and have the finals play out, but any further BM is to be punished by a warning or some form of ban.
Threats of pulling out players/teams don't seem very nice as well.
Also, in the future, when there is a conflict of interest, have someone else be an admin/judge. For example, you cannot have a player be an admin/judge to his own person, team and anything that might change the outcome, benefit or hurt his team.
I know it's hard to find admins/organizers, so you had to make this choice, but at least try to appoint someone else for the matches that directly involve Game/his team.
I'd have the rule for replays as follows:+ Show Spoiler +Have both the winner and loser send the replays right after their match. That's backup in case the replay is corrupt/bugged, or if someone doesn't have it - casters need replays, and replays are needed to solve some possible problems.
If a person doesn't send 1 replay - warning to him. If he doesn't send 2 or more at the same time, he gets 2 warnings (ie. banned from the next NW) AND his team gets a warning.
2 warnings for a person = ban from the next NW.
3 warnings for a person = ban from the next two NW, team gets a warning.
4 warnings for a person = banned for this season, team gets a warning.
2 warnings for a team, this is hard to figure out:
If it's round robin I guess -2 map (or match) points.
If it's elimination, probably -1 match point for the NW in question (if it's a tie, play out an ace match, or decide based on total wins, with playing being preferable).
It would take more effort to keep track of the warnings/bans though.
It's easy to say stuff and criticize on others, especially when there's an issue, so I apologize in advance. 
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On February 22 2013 05:37 quirinus wrote:Imo, don't ban anyone because this turned into a mess on both sides and have the finals play out, but any further BM is to be punished by a warning or some form of ban. Threats of pulling out players/teams don't seem very nice as well. Also, in the future, when there is a conflict of interest, have someone else be an admin/judge. For example, you cannot have a player be an admin/judge to his own person, team and anything that might change the outcome, benefit or hurt his team. I know it's hard to find admins/organizers, so you had to make this choice, but at least try to appoint someone else for the matches that directly involve Game/his team. I'd have the rule for replays as follows: + Show Spoiler +Have both the winner and loser send the replays. That's backup in case the replay is corrupt/bugged, or if someone doesn't have it - casters need replays, and replays are needed to solve some possible problems.
If a person doesn't send 1 replay - warning to him. If he doesn't send 2 or more, he gets 2 warnings (ie. banned from the next NW) AND his team gets a warning.
2 warnings for a person = ban from the next NW.
3 warnings for a person = ban from the next two NW.
4 warnings for a person = banned for this season.
2 warnings for a team, this is hard to figure out:
If it's round robin I guess -2 map (or match) points.
If it's elimination, probably -1 match point for the NW in question (if it's a tie, play out an ace match, or decide based on total wins, with playing being preferable).
It would take more effort to keep track of the warnings/bans. It's easy to say stuff and criticize on others, especially when there's an issue, so I apologize in advance.
I agree I really don't understand why proper warnings aren't given. Make a statement tell the player why make it public and tell the player what will happen if he makes a mistake again.
90 % of drama averted
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