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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On April 06 2006 10:35 Adamthegreat wrote: Savior vs Stork I'm telling you this is gonna be one hell of a game. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Stork can do in this matchup. What about Kingdom vs Savior, eh? If Kingdom can find his old PvZ shape Savior will actually be the underdog;) | ||
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Adamthegreat
Sweden1179 Posts
On April 06 2006 13:14 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: What about Kingdom vs Savior, eh? If Kingdom can find his old PvZ shape Savior will actually be the underdog;) Maybe but I have seen a couple of seriously good pvz matches from Stork and I'm eager to see if it was just a fling or the real thing. | ||
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StarOfDust
Sweden163 Posts
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Red_Dragon
Croatia2862 Posts
And IF as TKWL said, Kingdom plays pvz like he knows, Savior is in trouble. edit: And if I may add, imo Ra is one of the strongest, maybe even the strongest player in 1v1 bo1. This league format suites him good. He only needs to start good, and then for sure he will have major role in starleague. GooD LucK to him. | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
On April 06 2006 03:28 PoP wrote: Group A: Chojja vs Gorush, Boxer vs Terato Group B: Savior vs Stork, Reach vs Kingdom Group C: Oov vs Ra, Rainbow vs Yooi Group D: Mumyung vs Pusan, Midas vs Rumble Wow really easy group for boxer. | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On April 06 2006 10:35 Adamthegreat wrote: Savior vs Stork I'm telling you this is gonna be one hell of a game. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Stork can do in this matchup. He has like already lost | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
Is this the one where they go dual league format, 2 advance, then go into dual format again? Group 1 is gonna be fun to watch | ||
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On April 06 2006 13:14 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: What about Kingdom vs Savior, eh? If Kingdom can find his old PvZ shape Savior will actually be the underdog;) No way can Savior be the underdog vs any protoss. Did you forget that Kingdom just lost 0-2 to OaSis[GsP] in OGN preliminary ( http://sc.replays.net/htm_data/18/0603/5539.html )? If a rookie zerg like OaSis can beat Kingdom 2-0, there is absolutely no way by any wild stretch of imagination that a zerg like Savior can be an underdog vs Kingdom. | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9377 Posts
On April 06 2006 14:30 tfeign wrote: No way can Savior be the underdog vs any protoss. Did you forget that Kingdom just lost 0-2 to OaSis[GsP] in OGN preliminary ( http://sc.replays.net/htm_data/18/0603/5539.html )? If a rookie zerg like OaSis can beat Kingdom 2-0, there is absolutely no way by any wild stretch of imagination that a zerg like Savior can be an underdog vs Kingdom. I don't know, his ZvP is not like his ZvT, I haven't seen much of his ZvP to give a exact thought on this, this is one of the first matches I wanna watch without watching the results first ;O! | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
edit: well actually i see that you're not saying kingdom won't win, just that he won't be the favorite. and i guess i agree with that, looking at the current shape of both players. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On April 06 2006 14:30 tfeign wrote: No way can Savior be the underdog vs any protoss. Did you forget that Kingdom just lost 0-2 to OaSis[GsP] in OGN preliminary ( http://sc.replays.net/htm_data/18/0603/5539.html )? If a rookie zerg like OaSis can beat Kingdom 2-0, there is absolutely no way by any wild stretch of imagination that a zerg like Savior can be an underdog vs Kingdom. Eh, 2 games mean squat, especially on completely different maps ;p But I agree in that ipxzerg is on fire.. and kingdom.. No clue. Anyway, ZvP is IPX's worst MU ;o IPX is, with a 100% certainty, the underdog vs Nal_rA, and possibly vs stork (I dont know exactly HOW good he is at PvZ, but he sure as hell aint bad). | ||
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SixSongs
Poland1455 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On April 06 2006 13:35 Red_Dragon wrote: stork did beat savior as well as gorush in prolaegue, both were awesome games.If I remember correctly (not sure), Stork did beat Savior in proleague. So, it will be an interesting match, same as oov vs Ra, oov always wins the series but every time it is close one, 2-1, it will be great match too. And IF as TKWL said, Kingdom plays pvz like he knows, Savior is in trouble. edit: And if I may add, imo Ra is one of the strongest, maybe even the strongest player in 1v1 bo1. This league format suites him good. He only needs to start good, and then for sure he will have major role in starleague. GooD LucK to him. but both were played on requiem, a map which is more balanced pvz wise than almost any other groundmap, i am not sure how much this means, but it COULD mean something | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On April 06 2006 14:21 tfeign wrote: Why is everyone saying Boxer has an easy group? Terato is a PvT machine. Big reason why he hasn't accomplished anything that great is because of his weak PvZ. But PvT is his match, he's proven it many times. Gorush, when in good form, has the best ZvT of any zerg. And by finally qualifying for both Starleagues, he's in damn good form. Chojja needs no introduction. The guy just won an MSL. 3 out of 4 players in Boxer's group has won at least a Starleague in their career. No other group tops it. Pusan has it far easier imo. Reach, Kingdom , and Savior are all champions as well. And I'd take Stork over Terato anytime. So imo that group is the strongest. When it comes to Saviors ZvP, I think his ZvZ is a tad worse actually. He lost against an unknown Zerg in the OSL prelim recently. Pusans group is by far the easiest. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4653 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On April 06 2006 15:10 FrozenArbiter wrote: Eh, 2 games mean squat, especially on completely different maps ;p But I agree in that ipxzerg is on fire.. and kingdom.. No clue. Anyway, ZvP is IPX's worst MU ;o IPX is, with a 100% certainty, the underdog vs Nal_rA, and possibly vs stork (I dont know exactly HOW good he is at PvZ, but he sure as hell aint bad). How exactly is ZvP IPX's worst MU? Just because he lost a close series to Nal_rA, the best PvZer, does_not_mean his ZvP is lacking. July lost to rA too the last time he faced him. Does that mean July's is bad at ZvP? rA has beaten virtually every single top zerg the last time he played them. Losing to him doesn't make them bad in that particular matchup. And yes, IPX lost a close game to Stork that could have gone either way. And if I go by your logic that 2 games mean squat, then 1 game means absolutely nothing. You must have been quick to forget just how many times the guy has repeatedly and convincingly defeated some of the best P's in their prime shape, such as Reach. His worst MU is easily ZvZ. His ZvP is very close if not equal to his ZvT. And of course, Kingdom, or even I, has a chance to beat Savior in a game. But there's no way Kingdom could be considered the favorite given his current shape. | ||
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On April 06 2006 15:35 Guybrush wrote: Reach, Kingdom , and Savior are all champions as well. And I'd take Stork over Terato anytime. So imo that group is the strongest. When it comes to Saviors ZvP, I think his ZvZ is a tad worse actually. He lost against an unknown Zerg in the OSL prelim recently. Pusans group is by far the easiest. But I would take Boxer, Chojja, and Gorush over Reach, Kingdom, and Savior. Boxer, Chojja, and GR won their Starleagues much more recently compared to Reach, Kingdom, and Savior. Plus, all 3 are on fire, all 3 have qualified for both MSL and OSL. While the other 3 have only qualified for one, and slumping in the other. So as I see it, Group A is definitely strongest given the shapes of its players. | ||
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
saviour's worst matchup is ZvZ not ZvP, and kingdom would not be a favorite against him group A is definitely a tough group (still holding out on whether its the hardest) boxer has it OK but not super-easy group B is still a cool group though, 3 tosses and a zerg, when in-form the tosses are all highly competent in PvZ and PvP and of course saviour will be fine zvp not sure if pusan's group is the easiest, you might be underrating mumyung and rumble | ||
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StarN
United States2587 Posts
Group A: Chojja (GO GNOMEZERG!!! his ZvZ is just too sexy, hopefully he'll do a 5 pool again) > Gorush, Boxer > Terato Group B: Savior (an MSL god!) > Stork, Reach < Kingdom (His PvP is slightly better imo, but i WANT Reach to win sooooooooo bad) Group C: Oov ?(This one is making me go CRAZY, probably Oov though T .T)? Ra, Rainbow > Yooi Group D: Mumyung (this is the most likely upset[ as in... Mumyung winning WILL be the upset]) > Pusan, Midas > Rumble | ||
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