Two gates for Bison, range researching First tank is out Zealot was poking at the depot, but the tank and marine ward it away Starport is up, add on coming up, looks like SKyhigh wants drop play
Bison tricked a zealot into the backdoor of Skyhigh Four goons ready to intercept the dropship One tank two vultures Robo up, obs and third gate coming up Tank seiged up and killing probes
Tank poking away at a pylon Obs is out Third fact on the way too Idle probe at Skyhigh's mineral only, gets taken out without seeing anything Stargate getting added for Bison now
Double dropships out for Skyhigh Bison pushing with a ton of goons, three left at home to defend Bison tries to catch the dropships, but pulls back Flee Beacon for Bison, Carriers! Second stargate
Shuttle out for Bison too Four tanks dropped, but the goons and shuttle ward it off Skyhigh loses a dropship with two tanks inside! Skyhigh runs two vultures into the main Doesn't see the carriers, only gets a few probe kills
Skyhigh throws away a dropship and four vultures Both player smoving out, goliaths are indeed on the map now Bison only has two carriers though Shuttle falls, but Bison's goon count is too much Skyhigh has no army left to speak of
On September 09 2012 13:51 okum wrote: Typical protoss. Carriers AND twice the army size.
u mad? he dealed pretty good with initial drop and snipes 1 drop after also skyhigh tried to hit a timing, but the thing is - he couldn't, because it was his antitiming, not rain's. He even couldn't kill shuttle before all zeals landed
I just realized I dont know the Playoff format. What happens if god-forbid SKT wins this? Is it a third day? Super ace? Total sets over the two matches? Help!
On September 09 2012 13:59 Bibbit wrote: I just realized I dont know the Playoff format. What happens if god-forbid SKT wins this? Is it a third day? Super ace? Total sets over the two matches? Help!
On September 09 2012 13:59 Bibbit wrote: I just realized I dont know the Playoff format. What happens if god-forbid SKT wins this? Is it a third day? Super ace? Total sets over the two matches? Help!
3rd day.
Ah thanks. I looked at the calendar for signs of a third day but didn't see, I guess its just not up there yet. Do you know when it is?
On September 09 2012 13:59 Bibbit wrote: I just realized I dont know the Playoff format. What happens if god-forbid SKT wins this? Is it a third day? Super ace? Total sets over the two matches? Help!
3rd day.
if it goes for ace day, it will be today right? because of some LoL stuff etc?
On September 09 2012 13:59 Bibbit wrote: I just realized I dont know the Playoff format. What happens if god-forbid SKT wins this? Is it a third day? Super ace? Total sets over the two matches? Help!
Ah thanks. I looked at the calendar for signs of a third day but didn't see, I guess its just not up there yet. Do you know when it is?
Sacsri does the extractor trick, gets an extra drone 12/13 forward rax Sacsri almost scouts it with the drone, but the overlord will scout this Pool starts asap
Bunker started already, three drones pulled Four drones pulled off th eline in order to try and counter Six scvs pulled from the main No lings on the way yet Tons of drones pulled sunken morphing in at the nat Lings are out too! BByong's marines are backed against the wall Sacsri pretty much holds Tons of scvs died
Calls down an imba scv, repairs the bunker Sunken falls! BByong manages against the odds Hatch is taking a ton of fire More scvs pulled to repair the bunker
Second sunken at the top of the ramp Natural hatchery falls Two port opWraith follow up please Slow lings run by, going to try and counter BByong runs up the ramp and kills off a ton of drones, the sunken was luifed up, and everything was killed Wall was up for BByong, but it doesn't hold the lings off, but the scvs do GG from Sacsri as BByong holds with a clutch bunker repair
On September 09 2012 14:15 hai2u wrote: dont ever let sacsri play again.
Agreed cuz any1 would win it - if its an all-in bunker rush just keep ramp closed for autowin but he opened it. Or easier take ur drones to kill off bunker.
Man, enough with the Sacsri hate. He's won some important games for SKT leading into the playoffs so the guy's entitled to the odd poor decision under pressure.
Effort expanding too, going to be slower than Soo's by a good bit Speed on the way for Effort No more gas being mined for Effort Effort has a small timing for where his speed will be completed first
greenLing building for Soo Effort has speed done soon, has a huge mass of lings, going for a speedling all in Speed finishes, Soo's lings are caught out, and more lings are headed into the main of Soo A few greenLings being morped in, but they're getting targetted down Soo looks depressed, Effort has more and more lings streaming in
On September 09 2012 14:39 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Interesting, at least we've attempted to learn from yesterday and presumably created a specific snipe build for Hero.
Hero cheezes - there's is nothing to snipe but just play safe. But soO when you have Rain/Fanta is pathetic.
On September 09 2012 14:39 LighT. wrote: SKT coach: "They probably expect a P (Rain) or T (Fantasy) so......ILL THROW THEM OFF THEIR GAME WITH A Z." -_-...
Soo: "But coach... I haven't practiced ace match either! ;_;"
On September 09 2012 14:39 Hazzyboy wrote: Fire coach on the SPOT! Didn't manage to play Bisu, Fanta and now Fanta and Rain.
Haha Coach Park has earned the right to play whomever he wants. Who are we to question?
Why does he play weaker players ? Even if soO gets lucky it is still a wrong decision. CJ is doing well by playing best players. Also Zerg is weakest race % now on tourneys so playing 3 zergs in a row on a most important day of season makes u an idiot - sorry it's a sad truth. Boxer or Park or Kingdom are tanking.
Kespa Official: We need your ace player. SKT Coach Park: Hmm...They have effort and hero...hmm..sooooo.....hmm.. Kespa Official: Alright, thank you. SKT Coach Park: Wait what?
On September 09 2012 14:44 LighT. wrote: Kespa Official: We need your ace player. SKT Coach Park: Hmm...They have effort and hero...hmm..sooooo.....hmm.. Kespa Official: Alright, thank you. SKT Coach Park: Wait what?
On September 09 2012 14:41 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On September 09 2012 14:39 Hazzyboy wrote: Fire coach on the SPOT! Didn't manage to play Bisu, Fanta and now Fanta and Rain.
Haha Coach Park has earned the right to play whomever he wants. Who are we to question?
Why does he play weaker players ? Even if soO gets lucky it is still a wrong decision. CJ is doing well by playing best players. Also Zerg is weakest race % now on tourneys so playing 3 zergs in a row on a most important day of season makes u an idiot - sorry it's a sad truth. Boxer or Park or Kingdom are tanking.
Look what happened to Sacsri. If he won that we'd be 1-1 and people would say that his pick was genius, as it'd give us Snow vs Fanta.
On September 09 2012 14:43 sharkie wrote: even with one win away I still have no trust for CJ to make it to the finals.
LOL past 2 games were not good indicators that's for sure
CJ is showing us horrible games. I plan SKT coaches lineup for us losing but still, I actually am a CJ antifan now.I at least enjoy KT matches even if we lose.
On September 09 2012 14:41 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On September 09 2012 14:39 Hazzyboy wrote: Fire coach on the SPOT! Didn't manage to play Bisu, Fanta and now Fanta and Rain.
Haha Coach Park has earned the right to play whomever he wants. Who are we to question?
Why does he play weaker players ? Even if soO gets lucky it is still a wrong decision. CJ is doing well by playing best players.
Bisu is sick, so that only left Fanta for the SC2 Bo3. Fanta was down to play in the final set, so he clearly assumed one of Sacsri or SoO would win. Sacsri is probably the 3rd best SC2 player in SKT atm, behind Sun and Fanta.
As for the ACE match, Sun's confidence won't be great after losing twice to Hero yesterday, and I can only assume that they've got something prepared. The guy's lead SKT to a lot of success, he doesn't become a crap coach overnight.
On September 09 2012 14:43 sharkie wrote: even with one win away I still have no trust for CJ to make it to the finals.
LOL past 2 games were not good indicators that's for sure
CJ is showing us horrible games. I plan SKT coaches lineup for us losing but still, I actually am a CJ antifan now.I at least enjoy KT matches even if we lose.
Now i know how Yellow's fans felt when he got triple bunker-rushed
So this was Boxer's plan all along with leaving slayers. He would make sure SKT loses in the playoffs (since nobody likes SKT, right?) just to sabotage them and then retake his throne back at the SlayerS house!
On September 09 2012 14:41 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On September 09 2012 14:39 Hazzyboy wrote: Fire coach on the SPOT! Didn't manage to play Bisu, Fanta and now Fanta and Rain.
Haha Coach Park has earned the right to play whomever he wants. Who are we to question?
Why does he play weaker players ? Even if soO gets lucky it is still a wrong decision. CJ is doing well by playing best players.
Bisu is sick, so that only left Fanta for the SC2 Bo3. Fanta was down to play in the final set, so he clearly assumed one of Sacsri or SoO would win. Sacsri is probably the 3rd best SC2 player in SKT atm, behind Sun and Fanta.
As for the ACE match, Sun's confidence won't be great after losing twice to Hero yesterday, and I can only assume that they've got something prepared. The guy's lead SKT to a lot of success, he doesn't become a crap coach overnight.
Just my 2c.
In BW he's good. Now in SC II both his Zergs got all-inned ezpz even when Sacsri scouted it. Was it logical to expect that it would not get to set 3? No way after losing all SC II games (3 in a row) Park should expect anyone but Fanta to turn this around.. Ok SKT lost 5 in a row SC II games and still doesn't send best player mentally to break streak - GG.
On September 09 2012 14:47 LowEloPlayer wrote: So this was Boxer's plan all along with leaving slayers. He would make sure SKT loses in the playoffs (since nobody likes SKT, right?) just to sabotage them and then retake his throne back at the SlayerS house!
K SKT coaches are not high. They've got something prepared. It seems like everyone forgot SKT won the last proleague and is the most celebrated esports team.
Pool first for Soo, 14 pool? Hero microing his probe, trying to deny the mining of a patch 17 nexus for Hero, Soo's nat getting delayed, but Hero allows it to get planted down Forge being added too
Gate being added to the wall too Soo takes his third uncontested, but Hero does scout it Hero blocks the gap with a pylon, in order to get the cannon up
+1 upgrading for Hero, flying pylon on the way out of the robo Three groundArbiters kill an overlord, but it scouts the flying pylon Lair, 1.5 tier hydra building and evo being added, ling speed researching too 8 gate for Hero +1 zerg ranged upgrading
groundArbiter, bigGoon and dtGoon all in Hero kills off a ton of 1.5 tier hydras, rampStasis on the ramp! Hero looks to be in a dominated position CJ standing up and clapping away 1.5 tier hydra building falls! rampStasis OP Hero nodding his head, the natural of Soo falls
Coach Park must be fired - BW IS OVER. HE TOLD soO to build UPGRADES WHEN CJ ALL-INNED IN ALL SC II GAMES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also sent not the best player!
At least Stork has a chance to end with an epic BW game. <3 Cheering for khan in this. Thank you SKT for dominating 4 years in a row and making the playoff this year. Couldnt wish for a better team to cheer for.
CJ goes all-inn in all games of SC II and Coach Park sends possibly worst players in SC II after tops it off with a loser and tells him to go macro with upgrades when CJ is all-inning - pathetic coaching...
kk. Here's how it went down. SKT pitied KHAN. They knew KHAN's only chance of winning a proleague was to play CJ in the finals. Being compassionate as they were, SKT allowed CJ to win. Only explanation here hahah
Coach Park is bad in SC II - he can't respond for cheeses in a lengths of 6 games in a row including an ACE...... I woke up for this? I've seen it in NHL (Washington Capitals) too many times - fak it. So mad to lose sleep and go to work now over pathetic coaching. soO and Sacsri played on their level and lost as expected - fire Park and let Boxer play Fantasy next time in SC II PL. BTW Washington Caps coach had highest win % over two years straight but he couldn't adjust to game changes and got fired so not gonna be shocked to see Park fired.
SKT must have had reason to believe he could snipe HerO, and for some reason were afraid of sending fantasy out? Maybe Soo is a ZvP practice bonjwa or something, but that was really confusing.
On September 09 2012 15:08 growl wrote: SKT must have had reason to believe he could snipe HerO, and for some reason were afraid of sending fantasy out? Maybe Soo is a ZvP practice bonjwa or something, but that was really confusing.
He never plays ACE games - there was no reason to believe that you will hold my beer and I will go and do something for the 1st time that I never did before. lol but said reality.
On September 09 2012 15:09 Neo7 wrote: So much for SKT have a "strong SC2 lineup" when they first got their hands on the game.
Fantasy, Rain are top tier SC II for SKT and after one day slump coach Park pulls best player away and doesn't play 2nd best... What you just saw was WORST SKT players.
On September 09 2012 15:09 Neo7 wrote: So much for SKT have a "strong SC2 lineup" when they first got their hands on the game.
Fantasy, Rain are top tier SC II for SKT and after one day slump coach Park pulls best player away and doesn't play 2nd best... What you just saw was WORST SKT players.
To be fair, Hero did whoop Rain twice in SC2 on the first day.
On September 09 2012 15:09 Neo7 wrote: So much for SKT have a "strong SC2 lineup" when they first got their hands on the game.
Fantasy, Rain are top tier SC II for SKT and after one day slump coach Park pulls best player away and doesn't play 2nd best... What you just saw was WORST SKT players.
To be fair, Hero did whoop Rain twice in SC2 on the first day.
Exactly my point about one day only! When Ssak whooped Flash during his prime it was a one day only group miracle!!!!!!! Coach Park just showed that losing twice on one day makes you go from best to worst on his record book...
On September 09 2012 15:06 Talin wrote: At least it was 4-0 in Brood War. =P
Kind of highlights how miserable the format is. You're really never getting the impression that one team is better than the other.
yeah kinda like how I never had the impression of how "good" KT is when Flash 2-0ed teams the last two seasons
CJ won with ace matches, what more do you want
Huh? I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that when one team wins in one game and one team wins in the other, it feels like it comes down to the format. With the 2/3 emphasis on SC2, and CJ being better in SC2, obviously CJ earned it.
Nothing today made sense. Fantasy destroyed herO the last time they faced so why not send him as ace? Why not use Bisu and fantasy in the regular sets?
On September 09 2012 15:15 Maghetti wrote: Nothing today made sense. Fantasy destroyed herO the last time they faced so why not send him as ace? Why not use Bisu and fantasy in the regular sets?
I think Bisu was sick and Fantasy was slated for the 3rd SC2 match.
On September 09 2012 15:09 Neo7 wrote: So much for SKT have a "strong SC2 lineup" when they first got their hands on the game.
Fantasy, Rain are top tier SC II for SKT and after one day slump coach Park pulls best player away and doesn't play 2nd best... What you just saw was WORST SKT players.
To be fair, Hero did whoop Rain twice in SC2 on the first day.
Exactly my point about one day only! When Ssak whooped Flash during his prime it was a one day only group miracle!!!!!!! Coach Park just showed that losing twice on one day makes you go from best to worst on his record book...
Ehh. Hero is certainly a lot better than Ssak was when he upset Flash that one time. For example, if Stork had beaten Flash twice on the first day (in BW) and KT sent Stats out for the ace match on the second day, wouldn't that be more defensible?
5 out of 6 BW games all-in and good half got scouted with nothing done....... if coaches aren't to blame than they get their salary for free. SC II is more important than BW and Park/Boxer lost 6 out of 6 by sending day losers in both ACE matches. Rain lost game 1 and got an ACE on same day just like soO lost game 2 and got ACE on day 2. Don't tell me SKT can't beat CJ - they sure can beat any Kespa team.
In NHL you tank for high draft picks but why tank in SC is lil puzzling...
On September 09 2012 15:16 HolydaKing wrote: Well, By.Sun lost two PvP(!) on the first day. There is always a bit of luck there. Happy for LiquidHero, he has done great!
Based on your post count and sig, I assume you don't have much history with watching Proleague - but CJ is completely SK's bitch when they meet in the playoffs, every time.
On September 09 2012 15:09 Neo7 wrote: So much for SKT have a "strong SC2 lineup" when they first got their hands on the game.
Fantasy, Rain are top tier SC II for SKT and after one day slump coach Park pulls best player away and doesn't play 2nd best... What you just saw was WORST SKT players.
To be fair, Hero did whoop Rain twice in SC2 on the first day.
Exactly my point about one day only! When Ssak whooped Flash during his prime it was a one day only group miracle!!!!!!! Coach Park just showed that losing twice on one day makes you go from best to worst on his record book...
Ehh. Hero is certainly a lot better than Ssak was when he upset Flash that one time. For example, if Stork had beaten Flash twice on the first day (in BW) and KT sent Stats out for the ace match on the second day, wouldn't that be more defensible?
Point is that by.Rain is statistically better than Hero right now in all SC II leagues. So no point to believe that Rain didn't have a bad day. Besides things were so bad that believing in UR BEST player on most important game would give confidence to him even if he loses but now he feels that he isn't best anymore.
To be honest, there was far too much pressure on Sun this season. Being the Proleague ace and playing in two individual leagues at the same time isn't the kind of schedule/life he's used to.
Next season he'll carry us to the end. But I feel like T1 should sign certain 3 Protoss players just in case.
On September 09 2012 15:09 Neo7 wrote: So much for SKT have a "strong SC2 lineup" when they first got their hands on the game.
Fantasy, Rain are top tier SC II for SKT and after one day slump coach Park pulls best player away and doesn't play 2nd best... What you just saw was WORST SKT players.
To be fair, Hero did whoop Rain twice in SC2 on the first day.
Exactly my point about one day only! When Ssak whooped Flash during his prime it was a one day only group miracle!!!!!!! Coach Park just showed that losing twice on one day makes you go from best to worst on his record book...
Ehh. Hero is certainly a lot better than Ssak was when he upset Flash that one time. For example, if Stork had beaten Flash twice on the first day (in BW) and KT sent Stats out for the ace match on the second day, wouldn't that be more defensible?
Point is that by.Rain is statistically better than Hero right now in all SC II leagues. So no point to believe that Rain didn't have a bad day. Besides things were so bad that believing in UR BEST player on most important game would give confidence to him even if he loses but now he feels that he isn't best anymore.
Yep, I do see your point there. Although I will say that Hero probably prepared with 90% PvP in mind, as I'm sure noone expected anyone else than Rain.
On September 09 2012 15:15 Maghetti wrote: Nothing today made sense. Fantasy destroyed herO the last time they faced so why not send him as ace? Why not use Bisu and fantasy in the regular sets?
To be fair, Fantasy did look atrocious against Oz more recently.
On September 09 2012 15:09 Neo7 wrote: So much for SKT have a "strong SC2 lineup" when they first got their hands on the game.
Fantasy, Rain are top tier SC II for SKT and after one day slump coach Park pulls best player away and doesn't play 2nd best... What you just saw was WORST SKT players.
To be fair, Hero did whoop Rain twice in SC2 on the first day.
Exactly my point about one day only! When Ssak whooped Flash during his prime it was a one day only group miracle!!!!!!! Coach Park just showed that losing twice on one day makes you go from best to worst on his record book...
Ehh. Hero is certainly a lot better than Ssak was when he upset Flash that one time. For example, if Stork had beaten Flash twice on the first day (in BW) and KT sent Stats out for the ace match on the second day, wouldn't that be more defensible?
Point is that by.Rain is statistically better than Hero right now in all SC II leagues. So no point to believe that Rain didn't have a bad day. Besides things were so bad that believing in UR BEST player on most important game would give confidence to him even if he loses but now he feels that he isn't best anymore.
Yep, I do see your point there. Although I will say that Hero probably prepared with 90% PvP in mind, as I'm sure noone expected anyone else than Rain.
Play a terran Fantasy who is mentally prepared for ACE. Yes but so did Rain prepared for PvP and it was almost a certain rematch that he could prepare now that SKT saw Hero on a roll they knew CJ would play a player on an ACE winning streak. I could go easy with Fanta/Rain losing cuz it could be best choice for an ace but throwing soO into ACE SC II when he never ACEd anything in his life was a white flag and terrible coaching.
Also n.die.soO played a standard macro game when it was obvious all-in #5 in a row by CJ ---> no special snipe built or anything prepared from SKT coaches. Why should they keep their jobs when a team loses 2 days in a row to same all-in tactic? Good coach would at least try to change the game and prepare something to counter or try to counter but SKT coaching didn't change a thing ---> play macro and lose game #1,#2,#3,#4 and again #5 same loss.
And Oz is a professional SC II player for a long time who would beat any Kespa player, so losing one game to him doesn't make Fantasy bad.
Hope the best for SKT and getting coaches who CARE about winning enough to try and change the game to win it, instead of keeping up the losing tactic until last game. my 2 cents on all that crap of SKT performance.
On September 09 2012 15:42 GolemMadness wrote: I didn't say that losing the game made him look bad. I said that he looked bad while losing it.
Fantasy went macro while Oz timed correctly to punish him if I remember correctly. Any Kespa player would look as bad against that at some point.
BTW By.Rain is the reason SKT got in playoffs and Coach Park sits him down for n.die.soO who LOST a game already. So never playing ACE and losing a game along with preparing no special build ----> elimination decider game. I can only imagine what Rain is feeling right now... so much hard work for dragging team into playoffs for not even trying to win...
SKT should pickup Roro and Zero after releasing their pathetic Zerg line. Also get a good SC II coach cuz BW is over just like Park.
On September 09 2012 15:42 GolemMadness wrote: SKT should pickup Roro and Zero after releasing their pathetic Zerg line. Also get a good SC II coach cuz BW is over just like Park.
Hmm I think Boxer was probably the best coach on the market, or do you mean another one?
On September 09 2012 15:42 GolemMadness wrote: I didn't say that losing the game made him look bad. I said that he looked bad while losing it.
Fantasy went macro while Oz timed correctly to punish him if I remember correctly. Any Kespa player would look as bad against that at some point.
BTW By.Rain is the reason SKT got in playoffs and Coach Park sits him down for n.die.soO who LOST a game already. So never playing ACE and losing a game along with preparing no special build ----> elimination decider game. I can only imagine what Rain is feeling right now... so much hard work for dragging team into playoffs for not even trying to win...
SKT should pickup Roro and Zero after releasing their pathetic Zerg line. [b]Also get a good SC II coach cuz BW is over just like Park.[b]
hehe... hahahahabwahahahaa! (strange laughter at the notion Slayers`Boxer being not a good SC2 coach)
Kicking people from the Team ist much too early right now, dude. This is not the point where you are able to say who can manage the transition and who wont...
On September 09 2012 16:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On September 09 2012 15:59 Aerisky wrote: There is no way Khan will go down without a fight for Roro, should SKT choose to try for him.
fwiw they do apparently have a lot of money though so :/
Why RorO? Surely Shine is a better acquisition if he were available?
Shine isn't available as a free agent while RorO is
So KHAN gave Shine a 2 year contract and Roro only one, even though they picked up RorO first? I've never been too educated on KESPA free agency or contracts. Other than the big Jaedong FA fiasco.
On September 09 2012 15:15 Maghetti wrote: Nothing today made sense. Fantasy destroyed herO the last time they faced so why not send him as ace? Why not use Bisu and fantasy in the regular sets?
To be fair, Fantasy did look atrocious against Oz more recently.
I watched that game and from my perspective he got busted early being greedy and it had nothing to do with looking bad. Fantasy is perfectly capable of beating Oz.
Again, everyone that keeps talking about them not playing Bisu:
He wasn't even at the match today. He was too sick to come. I agree they should've put Fantasy out there, he's done really well in SC2 in general, but their lineup was really thrown by the loss of Bisu in SC2, as sad as that might sound given his performance.
On September 09 2012 18:41 Scarecrow wrote: Hero[join] has come so far from his rookie days. Winning consecutive ace matches is just sick, loved the warp prism play too
Oh, how I wish Wooki was this clutch in post-season. Hero is a boss.
On September 09 2012 15:42 GolemMadness wrote: SKT should pickup Roro and Zero after releasing their pathetic Zerg line. Also get a good SC II coach cuz BW is over just like Park.
Hmm I think Boxer was probably the best coach on the market, or do you mean another one?
Boxer did nothing at the end. He mostly trained terran line and explained mechanics to zergs and protoss but at the end coach Park put a "tanking line". Boxer isn't the main coach, he's an assistant. But anyway I know Boxer would not be dumb not to put Fantasy/Rain and SKT would prolly celebrate another finals with him. Just as example when Team 8 went down they at least fielded best players - well done by coaching but SKT fielded worst... If coach Park played soO, Sacsri in 10 SC II series which went to ACE he would likely lose 10/10. Again no special built for soO against the better player Hero -> no coaching. Hero goes all-in again but soO plays a greedy macro built and even starts upgrades ---> no coaching. I stopped watching when Hero went for 8+ gates and soO started to get upgrades cuz it a was too painful to watch, knowing that SKT coaches did everything wrong and made soO go greedy built against all-in. He had no chance to win...
When a player doesn't try to win - he's released from the team and coaches are in the same position. SKT owners can wait until this repeats in SC II or take action now to try and win next PL. Maybe promote Boxer to main coach and hire oov for assistant.
On September 09 2012 19:20 GolemMadness wrote: People sure are quick to turn on the guy who brought their team four straight finals appearances.
Even the best SC coach in the world (Park) can make dumb thing. And personally I think that he wasn't doing great in both series agains CJ. Of course I don't know much of behind-the-scene information, and can be wrong, but heck, SKT lost and obviously something was done wrong (well, skt zergs was done wrong, but thats we all knew).
On September 09 2012 15:42 GolemMadness wrote: SKT should pickup Roro and Zero after releasing their pathetic Zerg line. Also get a good SC II coach cuz BW is over just like Park.
Hmm I think Boxer was probably the best coach on the market, or do you mean another one?
Boxer did nothing at the end. He mostly trained terran line and explained mechanics to zergs and protoss but at the end coach Park put a "tanking line". Boxer isn't the main coach, he's an assistant. But anyway I know Boxer would not be dumb not to put Fantasy/Rain and SKT would prolly celebrate another finals with him. Just as example when Team 8 went down they at least fielded best players - well done by coaching but SKT fielded worst... If coach Park played soO, Sacsri in 10 SC II series which went to ACE he would likely lose 10/10. Again no special built for soO against the better player Hero -> no coaching. Hero goes all-in again but soO plays a greedy macro built and even starts upgrades ---> no coaching. I stopped watching when Hero went for 8+ gates and soO started to get upgrades cuz it a was too painful to watch, knowing that SKT coaches did everything wrong and made soO go greedy built against all-in. He had no chance to win...
When a player doesn't try to win - he's released from the team and coaches are in the same position. SKT owners can wait until this repeats in SC II or take action now to try and win next PL. Maybe promote Boxer to main coach and hire oov for assistant.
Actually, I think that SoO for ACE in first day could have bring the victory (well, at least considering Sun schedule it was more justified). But anyways fanta for both days ACE could be better.
Side node: the game vs Sea at the first day of T8 vs SKT was last Bisu BW game. Minute of silence (well, at least he won). And fantasy's was on second of T8 vs SKT day vs by.hero (he lost).
On September 09 2012 19:20 GolemMadness wrote: People sure are quick to turn on the guy who brought their team four straight finals appearances.
In Brood War. He is a great BW coach but it's time to move on. There is zero BW PL's ahead and that's the number of finals for coach Park as well. Park owned BW but SKT can't win anything with BW anymore. Keep him for loyalty and see how players decline while he tries to understand the game.
Again when by.Rain single-handed carried SKT into playoffs and you don't wanna field Fantasy, you appreciate your most hardworking player and let him play. Besides Rain won a BW game earlier and regained his confidence for a rematch. Now Rain had to watch helpless his team lose playoffs - it's the worst possible thing for a good player. Let him try his best instead of feeling the guilt that he isn't good enough to play.
As far as everyone knows - Hyuk is the most hardworking guy in the training house not soO or Sacsri but yet he isn't given a damn game this season...
Not to mention n.die.soO losing a SC II game #2 to an all-in and getting fielded in #3 Ace to get all-ined again => bad coaching.
WTF coach. Everyone knows you have to change something, after sun needs a break, maybe many people told you that as well. But this was not what we meant, sending sacsri and soo... -_- and then soo again for ace -__-
I heard Fantasy is quite good. Otherwise an overplayed sun would still be a better option than soo, he does not even had a nice sniper build or anything?
On September 09 2012 15:42 GolemMadness wrote: SKT should pickup Roro and Zero after releasing their pathetic Zerg line. Also get a good SC II coach cuz BW is over just like Park.
Hmm I think Boxer was probably the best coach on the market, or do you mean another one?
Boxer did nothing at the end. He mostly trained terran line and explained mechanics to zergs and protoss but at the end coach Park put a "tanking line". Boxer isn't the main coach, he's an assistant. But anyway I know Boxer would not be dumb not to put Fantasy/Rain and SKT would prolly celebrate another finals with him. Just as example when Team 8 went down they at least fielded best players - well done by coaching but SKT fielded worst... If coach Park played soO, Sacsri in 10 SC II series which went to ACE he would likely lose 10/10. Again no special built for soO against the better player Hero -> no coaching. Hero goes all-in again but soO plays a greedy macro built and even starts upgrades ---> no coaching. I stopped watching when Hero went for 8+ gates and soO started to get upgrades cuz it a was too painful to watch, knowing that SKT coaches did everything wrong and made soO go greedy built against all-in. He had no chance to win...
When a player doesn't try to win - he's released from the team and coaches are in the same position. SKT owners can wait until this repeats in SC II or take action now to try and win next PL. Maybe promote Boxer to main coach and hire oov for assistant.
I'll probably get banned for saying this but I'll say it anyway. I'm sorry but you're a fucking idiot. Playing and observing are completely different. When you watch a game, You can clearly see what both players are doing... It's different actually playing the game. Try observing the game from a player's perspective, Maybe you'll understand a little bit... Instead of bashing them like a moron.
I expect (if there are no restrictions, I think no one here actually knows the rules) in Khan: Strok/Jangbi in BW, Roro/Reality/Shine SC2 while in CJ: Leta/Snow/Hydra BW and Hero/Effort/Skyhigh sc2
p.s. Those will be the last 2 or 3 BW games, hopefully at least one of them will be worthy
On September 09 2012 19:20 GolemMadness wrote: People sure are quick to turn on the guy who brought their team four straight finals appearances.
pretty sure the players won those games
hahaha, bw has turned into a real sport
when a team wins its the players', when a team loses its the coach's fault
not really. it's just fair attributions. the guy saying 'coach brought their team 4 finals' is as silly as the guy who says 'joe torre brought yankees 4 ws'
one can criticize the coach's decisions here without being vulnerable to the charge of disregarding his accomplishments.
I'm a pretty rabid SKT fan, but I'm really not understanding all this mad going on in here. SKT won 6 matches in a row to get where they were. They were 8-9 with basically no shot at the playoffs and managed to get there and make it to the next round.
I'm hoping the finals will be a lot more enjoyable than these last two series, though. First round was all BW cheese, second round was almost all SC2 cheese.
Anyway, I just realized that Sun goes down in history as the last player to win a pro BW game for T1. According to TLPD, the first one (SKT era only) was Kingdom, or Boxer/oov if we count 2v2s, both against SouL in SKY 2004 R1.
It's a shame that skt lost but it's good for the PL overall that it's not another SKT/KT dominated finals- although I would have preferred T8 to be the one to take down SKT.
On September 10 2012 04:49 ]343[ wrote: interesting that SKT didn't send their actual ace for the ace match
That's the difference between SKT and (KT + OZ/T8).
JD and Flash probably played 90+% of ace matches for their teams regardless of circumstances. Bisu/Best/Fantasy used to switch around and now we see Sun getting switched around.
On September 10 2012 04:49 ]343[ wrote: interesting that SKT didn't send their actual ace for the ace match
That's the difference between SKT and (KT + OZ/T8).
JD and Flash probably played 90+% of ace matches for their teams regardless of circumstances. Bisu/Best/Fantasy used to switch around and now we see Sun getting switched around.
SKT busting my nuts...
And now we see n.die.soO as the new SC II ace even when he loses he still gets to play ACE so that is FIVE Ace players for SKT!
Oh my god SKT, if you are going to lose why not send Bisu in ace match so that at least we can lose with a good manner ? Sending SoO in the ace match is just like saying "f*ck you" instead of "gg" when you lose lol.
I'll probably get banned for saying this but I'll say it anyway. I'm sorry but you're a fucking idiot. Playing and observing are completely different. When you watch a game, You can clearly see what both players are doing... It's different actually playing the game. Try observing the game from a player's perspective, Maybe you'll understand a little bit... Instead of bashing them like a moron.
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Maybe you will read this later but I play BW since 1998 and observe Korean WCG, OSL's since ~2004. Dude you can't harm me with ur words cuz I'm like the mirror - emotionless to all the name calling, so basically you got mad typing it and that affected only you Being an average B player I maybe forgot about StarCarft more than you ever knew, buddy. Everyone except maybe you predicted aggressive all-in while soO got those 3 bases with ~30+ drones and upgrades but unfortunately he had no army to counter all-in which was expected. n.die.soO died twice in a row to all-in builds ----> he did well in ur eyes like Oilers in the recent NHL seasons I get it I'm not bashing soO cuz he Hero is better than him just like any other ACE player on CJ btw and there was no way he would win without cheese but coach Park is clearly the only one to blame for roster fail.
Whoa holy shit CJ actually didn't choke this time...then again, WTF ace match choice
I'll probably end up cheering for CJ just for the novelty of seeing them in a finals match I guess, but I don't really care if Khan wins either - at least it's a non-telecom finals
And yeah these fucking KT fans are still the worst - maybe next time you'll get past ACE and get to the playoffs
On September 10 2012 04:49 ]343[ wrote: interesting that SKT didn't send their actual ace for the ace match
That's the difference between SKT and (KT + OZ/T8).
JD and Flash probably played 90+% of ace matches for their teams regardless of circumstances. Bisu/Best/Fantasy used to switch around and now we see Sun getting switched around.
SKT busting my nuts...
Remember when Coach Cho used to send out Killer for ace matches all the time? ^^
On September 10 2012 04:49 ]343[ wrote: interesting that SKT didn't send their actual ace for the ace match
That's the difference between SKT and (KT + OZ/T8).
JD and Flash probably played 90+% of ace matches for their teams regardless of circumstances. Bisu/Best/Fantasy used to switch around and now we see Sun getting switched around.
SKT busting my nuts...
Remember when Coach Cho used to send out Killer for ace matches all the time? ^^
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