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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 22:29:18
July 17 2012 22:26 GMT
#2461
I am so disappointed with todays games. Not to take anything away from Fantasy, but Flashs decisionmaking seemed below his usual level. Oh well, even though it isn't fall I hope Jangbi will pull through.
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
July 17 2012 22:27 GMT
#2462
wtf happened
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
July 17 2012 22:35 GMT
#2463
forget about TBLS, it's only FF now, right before bw dies. (FF = flash + fantasy)
Beatiful TvTs. A bit sad about Flash not taking +1 OSL victory, but I love Fantasy so cheering for him in the Finals.
Heouf
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands787 Posts
July 17 2012 22:54 GMT
#2464
Well that sucks for Flash. Fantasy was better. He will probably win the final.
Gokba Alhakel
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
July 17 2012 23:00 GMT
#2465
On July 18 2012 07:22 Megaman703 wrote:
Any links to English VODs yet?


you can watch sayle's live stream vod here

http://www.twitch.tv/saylesc/b/325208207
Megaman703
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada688 Posts
July 17 2012 23:01 GMT
#2466
Thanks man, will do!
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 17 2012 23:03 GMT
#2467
On July 18 2012 05:41 zanzib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 03:39 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I guess Flash is sort of the SC2 ace for KT at the moment. I guess it must put pressure on him to practice SC2 more than Fantasy. I feel like Flash was ahead in both games though, but then kept going for mass drops that he didn't really need to do, and they just died. In the first game he was 50 supply ahead at one point. The second he seemed consistently ahead until near the end.

I'm so sad. It took me a while to get over Flash going 0-2 in PL finals, I don't know if I can ever get over this. I've been walking around the house like a zombie since watching those games.


Game 3 was in a way unlucky (limited scouting info), but in hindsight Flash could have definitely been more alert when his wraiths were being shot down.


it's actually hilarious that flash's downfall was due to no comsat (as well as travel distance that let fantasy engage with more wraihs), and yet comsat is exactly what he should have gotten when he had 0 scouting info.

flash's decision making was pretty poor game 1 and game 3. Game 3 less so because it still is a wonky build order situation and it was more of a risk. Set 1 his algorithm just said "ground zero make dropships" and didn't remake any valkyries.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
July 17 2012 23:22 GMT
#2468
On July 18 2012 08:03 N.geNuity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 05:41 zanzib wrote:
On July 18 2012 03:39 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I guess Flash is sort of the SC2 ace for KT at the moment. I guess it must put pressure on him to practice SC2 more than Fantasy. I feel like Flash was ahead in both games though, but then kept going for mass drops that he didn't really need to do, and they just died. In the first game he was 50 supply ahead at one point. The second he seemed consistently ahead until near the end.

I'm so sad. It took me a while to get over Flash going 0-2 in PL finals, I don't know if I can ever get over this. I've been walking around the house like a zombie since watching those games.


Game 3 was in a way unlucky (limited scouting info), but in hindsight Flash could have definitely been more alert when his wraiths were being shot down.


it's actually hilarious that flash's downfall was due to no comsat (as well as travel distance that let fantasy engage with more wraihs), and yet comsat is exactly what he should have gotten when he had 0 scouting info.

flash's decision making was pretty poor game 1 and game 3. Game 3 less so because it still is a wonky build order situation and it was more of a risk. Set 1 his algorithm just said "ground zero make dropships" and didn't remake any valkyries.


i really felt like flash wasn't addapting at all to fantasy and if you don't adapt to fantasy you get 3-0. he had a plan and he stuck with it. it worked out ok in game 1 but he got dismantled in game 2. game 3 was just a gamble build.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
July 17 2012 23:47 GMT
#2469
flash
starleague forever
s1ege
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)123 Posts
July 18 2012 00:12 GMT
#2470
when are the TVing OSL jangbi vs fantasy finals? what's the date?
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3615 Posts
July 18 2012 00:14 GMT
#2471
Second time in recent play fantasy's hammered somebody 3-0 who many thought was favored against him. Stork in the OSL final, now Flash. Big change from that final vs Jaedong.

(Incidentally, it's kind of funny that the two best finals series in the "modern era" of BW have involved fantasy losing 2-3. Maybe it should happen again?)
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
July 18 2012 00:16 GMT
#2472
On July 18 2012 09:14 VGhost wrote:
Second time in recent play fantasy's hammered somebody 3-0 who many thought was favored against him. Stork in the OSL final, now Flash. Big change from that final vs Jaedong.

(Incidentally, it's kind of funny that the two best finals series in the "modern era" of BW have involved fantasy losing 2-3. Maybe it should happen again?)

nah. After a 2-3, he wins 3-0. If jangbi was replaced by the dong, still 3-0 for fantasy.
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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
July 18 2012 00:26 GMT
#2473
On July 18 2012 09:12 s1ege wrote:
when are the TVing OSL jangbi vs fantasy finals? what's the date?

July 28th, check TL calendar
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Wrath 2.1
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany880 Posts
July 18 2012 00:41 GMT
#2474
fantasy dosn't look good without glasses

he still my 2nd favorite sc player (after jaedong) but without glasses he isn't so cool =/
The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 18 2012 00:42 GMT
#2475
On July 18 2012 08:03 N.geNuity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 05:41 zanzib wrote:
On July 18 2012 03:39 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I guess Flash is sort of the SC2 ace for KT at the moment. I guess it must put pressure on him to practice SC2 more than Fantasy. I feel like Flash was ahead in both games though, but then kept going for mass drops that he didn't really need to do, and they just died. In the first game he was 50 supply ahead at one point. The second he seemed consistently ahead until near the end.

I'm so sad. It took me a while to get over Flash going 0-2 in PL finals, I don't know if I can ever get over this. I've been walking around the house like a zombie since watching those games.


Game 3 was in a way unlucky (limited scouting info), but in hindsight Flash could have definitely been more alert when his wraiths were being shot down.


it's actually hilarious that flash's downfall was due to no comsat (as well as travel distance that let fantasy engage with more wraihs), and yet comsat is exactly what he should have gotten when he had 0 scouting info.

flash's decision making was pretty poor game 1 and game 3. Game 3 less so because it still is a wonky build order situation and it was more of a risk. Set 1 his algorithm just said "ground zero make dropships" and didn't remake any valkyries.


So maybe I was hallucinating, but I could've sworn Flash's academy was up (significantly) before Fantasy's........
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 00:56:09
July 18 2012 00:55 GMT
#2476
I like Fantasy but it's disappointing to see Flash lose. He was so close to being the first to get 4 OSL victories.

Well, he can still get them in SC2 I guess.

Also I definitely found it odd that Flash never remade any Valkyries. He was ahead of supply and had enough money to make some several times in game 1.

All that was needed was 2-3 good Valkyries to take down all those Wraiths.
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etrensce
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia337 Posts
July 18 2012 01:10 GMT
#2477
How often is 2 port wraith used in TvT? Pretty hilarious to see both guys go the same build
If life gives you lemons, burn lifes house down
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 18 2012 01:11 GMT
#2478
On July 18 2012 09:42 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 08:03 N.geNuity wrote:
On July 18 2012 05:41 zanzib wrote:
On July 18 2012 03:39 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I guess Flash is sort of the SC2 ace for KT at the moment. I guess it must put pressure on him to practice SC2 more than Fantasy. I feel like Flash was ahead in both games though, but then kept going for mass drops that he didn't really need to do, and they just died. In the first game he was 50 supply ahead at one point. The second he seemed consistently ahead until near the end.

I'm so sad. It took me a while to get over Flash going 0-2 in PL finals, I don't know if I can ever get over this. I've been walking around the house like a zombie since watching those games.


Game 3 was in a way unlucky (limited scouting info), but in hindsight Flash could have definitely been more alert when his wraiths were being shot down.


it's actually hilarious that flash's downfall was due to no comsat (as well as travel distance that let fantasy engage with more wraihs), and yet comsat is exactly what he should have gotten when he had 0 scouting info.

flash's decision making was pretty poor game 1 and game 3. Game 3 less so because it still is a wonky build order situation and it was more of a risk. Set 1 his algorithm just said "ground zero make dropships" and didn't remake any valkyries.


So maybe I was hallucinating, but I could've sworn Flash's academy was up (significantly) before Fantasy's........


he didn't make comsats upon completion of the academy. He didn't start his comsat until right when his 3 wraiths died (and plopped down an armory immediately too).
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
nemga7
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)3 Posts
July 18 2012 01:16 GMT
#2479
It's funny that people here in TL do trash talk on Flash's play.

Yesterday's match between fantasy and flash was so mind blowing, the Korean BW forums don't even dare to comment on the gameplay from either of them. Flash played a typical flash, but Fantasy's play was so speedy and aggressive, flash's play wasn't able to get on the regular track.

If you have no idea on how BW TvT works on the level of players like fantasy and flash, please don't try to act like one, because you are only embarrassing yourself.

The skill that Fantasy showed yesterday match was simply unbelievable, and was a worthy victory. At this point, he is simply a better player than Flash with no doubt, and the only reason that flash lost was not due to any bad decisions, but simply fantasy being the better player.

I'm betting on Fatasy pulling out a 3-0 win on the finals against Jangbi.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
July 18 2012 01:24 GMT
#2480
what the hell just happened.
Jaedong.
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