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algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
July 17 2012 17:29 GMT
#2401
does that mean full Sc2 for flash ?
rly ?
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 17 2012 17:34 GMT
#2402
If I was Flash I would be so pissed that I wouldn't be able to get revenge for this in BW
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
July 17 2012 17:34 GMT
#2403
Wait, is this the first time that we have a consecutive rematch finals in OSL?
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
bailando
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany332 Posts
July 17 2012 17:35 GMT
#2404
oh my god. cant believe it.

sad to see it. i bet he didnt practice alot cause of sc2.
damn.

i hope fantasy wins the whole thing at least.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 17 2012 17:42 GMT
#2405
On July 18 2012 02:35 bailando wrote:
oh my god. cant believe it.

sad to see it. i bet he didnt practice alot cause of sc2.
damn.

i hope fantasy wins the whole thing at least.


That's probably what he did though.

Flash's control sucked big time lately.

I feel like Fantasy's control was just so fluent that I thought I was watching Flash playing.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
SirKibbleX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States479 Posts
July 17 2012 17:44 GMT
#2406
If Flash is smart he'll skip SC2 and play LoL. Or just stick with BW. If this finals is as epic as Zero v. Jangbi or Jangbi v Fantasy I, I don't see how BW wouldn't rally and find a way to stick around.
Praemonitus, Praemunitus.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8690 Posts
July 17 2012 17:53 GMT
#2407
On July 18 2012 02:44 SirKibbleX wrote:
If Flash is smart he'll skip SC2 and play LoL. Or just stick with BW. If this finals is as epic as Zero v. Jangbi or Jangbi v Fantasy I, I don't see how BW wouldn't rally and find a way to stick around.


I hope you will be right here!
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 17 2012 17:57 GMT
#2408
On July 18 2012 01:46 nbaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 01:34 Lightwip wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:22 ]343[ wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:13 Lightwip wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:11 Holgerius wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:09 Lightwip wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:05 ]343[ wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:04 Lightwip wrote:
Kespa rank pretty much just tells you how good you were a year ago.


So...? Flash was "good a year ago" for 32 months... which means he was actually #1 for somewhere pretty close to that.

Actually that's only because he was terran.

And this is why people can't really take you seriously in any discsussion.

What can I say, I'm a bitter hater at heart (see signature).
Kespa ranks mean nothing though.


eh, I'd say Kespa rank is basically a "who has won the most games (weighted heavily toward individual league games)" rank. So while it's obviously not great, it does tend to indicate who's winning a lot (of individual league games).

Players who can't win individual league games... don't have a high Kespa rank!

It's more of a "who can win the most weighted games in a short period of time and sit on those achievements until they expire" type of rank.


Lightwip, you're dumb.

Also, Bisu sucks.

What can I say, those who are prejudiced will be prejudiced.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Alak
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden380 Posts
July 17 2012 17:59 GMT
#2409
On July 18 2012 00:50 ppshchik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:46 fabiano wrote:
Why can't people accept that Flash is inferior to Fantasy in TvT?

Fantasy TvT is much superior than Flash

Swallow that.


Fantasy is simply better than Flash even before he beat him in SPL. He advanced to the previous 2 OSL finals ffs.


Let's see... checking Flash vs Fantasy history... Looks like 13-10 in favor of Flash. Not a big lead, but still. Could've been different without SC2, who knows, who cares at this juncture.

Achievement list... An awful lot of shiny gold in Flash's resume. Golden mouse, triple MSL and all that. The odd Invitational win. Fantasy has... an entire title! As well as a few showings in the finals. Looking good for Flash so far!

Lifetime win ratio. 72.18% Flash, 62.29% Fantasy, not yet adjusted for Fantasy's wins. Still not seeing the Fantasy is better than Flash part!

Oh, but you mean TvT? 61.11% for Fantasy, 74.54% for Flash. Wow.

What can we reasonably conclude from this? Fantasy has grown as a player lately and this time he ran circles around Flash in TvT. He has historically been Flash's bitch whenever they've faced off, he lacks the achievements, the winning record and the records of Flash. He might be in better shape than Flash is today, and have a sharper set of BW skills at the moment, but I'm not feeling the "Fantasy is simply better than Flash" to be honest.
Amateurish. Nearsighted. A waste of my time and everyone else's.
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
July 17 2012 17:59 GMT
#2410
Incredibly sad.
balosan
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland232 Posts
July 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#2411
On July 18 2012 02:09 Jonoman92 wrote:
Haven't seen these games yet. 5 seconds into game 1's VOD and I'm already having a good time!


Such a good time that u are on forum instead of watching rest lol.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#2412
On July 18 2012 02:59 Alak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:50 ppshchik wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:46 fabiano wrote:
Why can't people accept that Flash is inferior to Fantasy in TvT?

Fantasy TvT is much superior than Flash

Swallow that.


Fantasy is simply better than Flash even before he beat him in SPL. He advanced to the previous 2 OSL finals ffs.


Let's see... checking Flash vs Fantasy history... Looks like 13-10 in favor of Flash. Not a big lead, but still. Could've been different without SC2, who knows, who cares at this juncture.

Achievement list... An awful lot of shiny gold in Flash's resume. Golden mouse, triple MSL and all that. The odd Invitational win. Fantasy has... an entire title! As well as a few showings in the finals. Looking good for Flash so far!

Lifetime win ratio. 72.18% Flash, 62.29% Fantasy, not yet adjusted for Fantasy's wins. Still not seeing the Fantasy is better than Flash part!

Oh, but you mean TvT? 61.11% for Fantasy, 74.54% for Flash. Wow.

What can we reasonably conclude from this? Fantasy has grown as a player lately and this time he ran circles around Flash in TvT. He has historically been Flash's bitch whenever they've faced off, he lacks the achievements, the winning record and the records of Flash. He might be in better shape than Flash is today, and have a sharper set of BW skills at the moment, but I'm not feeling the "Fantasy is simply better than Flash" to be honest.


These arguments are always so stupid because you're both arguing about different things. You're arguing that Flash is the most accomplished, and he/she is arguing that Fantasy is currently the better player. People need to realise that they are two different things.


"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 18:09:53
July 17 2012 18:09 GMT
#2413
On July 18 2012 02:59 Alak wrote:
He has historically been Flash's bitch whenever they've faced off


But he is no longer. Golden rule is: whenever you 3-0 someone in major series, you are no longer his bitch, but a rival.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 17 2012 18:17 GMT
#2414
On July 18 2012 03:05 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 02:59 Alak wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:50 ppshchik wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:46 fabiano wrote:
Why can't people accept that Flash is inferior to Fantasy in TvT?

Fantasy TvT is much superior than Flash

Swallow that.


Fantasy is simply better than Flash even before he beat him in SPL. He advanced to the previous 2 OSL finals ffs.


Let's see... checking Flash vs Fantasy history... Looks like 13-10 in favor of Flash. Not a big lead, but still. Could've been different without SC2, who knows, who cares at this juncture.

Achievement list... An awful lot of shiny gold in Flash's resume. Golden mouse, triple MSL and all that. The odd Invitational win. Fantasy has... an entire title! As well as a few showings in the finals. Looking good for Flash so far!

Lifetime win ratio. 72.18% Flash, 62.29% Fantasy, not yet adjusted for Fantasy's wins. Still not seeing the Fantasy is better than Flash part!

Oh, but you mean TvT? 61.11% for Fantasy, 74.54% for Flash. Wow.

What can we reasonably conclude from this? Fantasy has grown as a player lately and this time he ran circles around Flash in TvT. He has historically been Flash's bitch whenever they've faced off, he lacks the achievements, the winning record and the records of Flash. He might be in better shape than Flash is today, and have a sharper set of BW skills at the moment, but I'm not feeling the "Fantasy is simply better than Flash" to be honest.


These arguments are always so stupid because you're both arguing about different things. You're arguing that Flash is the most accomplished, and he/she is arguing that Fantasy is currently the better player. People need to realise that they are two different things.




I was going to comment to him, but you took the words out of my mouth.

QFT
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 17 2012 18:20 GMT
#2415
On July 18 2012 01:52 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 01:46 nbaker wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:34 Lightwip wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:22 ]343[ wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:13 Lightwip wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:11 Holgerius wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:09 Lightwip wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:05 ]343[ wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:04 Lightwip wrote:
Kespa rank pretty much just tells you how good you were a year ago.


So...? Flash was "good a year ago" for 32 months... which means he was actually #1 for somewhere pretty close to that.

Actually that's only because he was terran.

And this is why people can't really take you seriously in any discsussion.

What can I say, I'm a bitter hater at heart (see signature).
Kespa ranks mean nothing though.


eh, I'd say Kespa rank is basically a "who has won the most games (weighted heavily toward individual league games)" rank. So while it's obviously not great, it does tend to indicate who's winning a lot (of individual league games).

Players who can't win individual league games... don't have a high Kespa rank!

It's more of a "who can win the most weighted games in a short period of time and sit on those achievements until they expire" type of rank.


Lightwip, you're dumb.

Also, Bisu sucks.

WOAH. That was uncalled for.


It has some merit =P
The Notorious Winkles
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
July 17 2012 18:25 GMT
#2416
yes people. flash has recently played too much sc2 to perform well in bw.

check flash's vods on sc2 and compare them to fanta's and jangbi's, you might notice things.
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 17 2012 18:31 GMT
#2417
FANTASY BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!!

ALL HAIL THE TRUE KING!
LasTLiE
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States428 Posts
July 17 2012 18:32 GMT
#2418
The d-matrix spidermine definitely highlight of the night for me, hehe.

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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 17 2012 18:37 GMT
#2419
On July 18 2012 02:29 algue wrote:
does that mean full Sc2 for flash ?


hopefully so he can start eating small children.
The Notorious Winkles
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 17 2012 18:39 GMT
#2420
I guess Flash is sort of the SC2 ace for KT at the moment. I guess it must put pressure on him to practice SC2 more than Fantasy. I feel like Flash was ahead in both games though, but then kept going for mass drops that he didn't really need to do, and they just died. In the first game he was 50 supply ahead at one point. The second he seemed consistently ahead until near the end.

I'm so sad. It took me a while to get over Flash going 0-2 in PL finals, I don't know if I can ever get over this. I've been walking around the house like a zombie since watching those games.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
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