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[OSL] Ro4: Flash vs Fantasy - Page 117

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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2266 Posts
July 17 2012 14:39 GMT
#2321
On July 17 2012 21:39 krndandaman wrote:
so whens the last time flash got 3-0'd?



Today XD


At last in BroodWar. And thats not funny
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 17 2012 14:39 GMT
#2322
On July 17 2012 23:11 amazingxkcd wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened?

:)
GhostyGhost
Profile Joined January 2012
United States29 Posts
July 17 2012 14:42 GMT
#2323
Were the games lopsided or did fantasy just happen to win small things here and there?
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
July 17 2012 14:51 GMT
#2324
On July 17 2012 23:16 ghrur wrote:
I just woke up and... wat


Could imagine. I would have been the same
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
July 17 2012 14:51 GMT
#2325
YEAH Fanta, thought to be fair he has been looking like the best player in BW for a while now, but its still a huge acomplishment to 3-0 flash in a starleague semi-final,
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Sethronu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom450 Posts
July 17 2012 14:54 GMT
#2326
On July 17 2012 23:42 GhostyGhost wrote:
Were the games lopsided or did fantasy just happen to win small things here and there?


First two games were really long management games with great play from both sides but Fantasy just looking more, I don't know, alive. Flash couldn't get a good position in the middle and tried going for mass dropship plays but Fantasy read him too well (also harassed too well, especially in game 2). Really reminiscent of their PL finals game. Game 3 Flash just kinda died.
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
July 17 2012 14:55 GMT
#2327
On July 17 2012 22:12 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 22:03 Pasargadae wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:56 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:54 setzer wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:52 nkr wrote:
woah would've expected jaedong or flash to win, but now it seems jangbi or fantasy will be the last bw bonjwa


This isn't SC2 where bonjwas are crowed every weekend.


Nope, it's not like that in SC2.

Though there's way more up and comer, and flukes than in BW.

But please don't say silly things...


Not counting tournaments, there have been 12 GSL seasons. Among those 12 seasons, there have been 7 separate champions. Out of the 12 possible golds, 8 of them belong to 3 individuals. How is this a silly point?


Simple : there isn't any bonjwa in SC2 yet... LG-IM_MVP is (i think) the closest player to this status, but I wouldn't say so, him not being dominant enough.

Taken from BW Liquipedia : A bonjwa is a player who dominates the scene for a long period of time.

Though there are a few players that are above the other for sure (atm DRG, MVP are the two that comes to my mind), there isn't any bonjwa in SC2....


So you're saying because he doesn't have the explicit title of bonjwa?
MVP was purely dominant for an entire year. He may not receive the accolade now, but he will be a bonjwa in the future. Boxer = case in point.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
July 17 2012 14:56 GMT
#2328
Man, so happy for Fantasy. Was screaming at my TV like a true fanboy. His play the last six months has been so incredibly good.

FUCK

YEAH

FANTASY!
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 15:02:34
July 17 2012 14:59 GMT
#2329
I had the majority of my viewing experience of the series recorded on teamspeak...

Poll: BR for finals LR thread

No (6)
 
43%

Yes (5)
 
36%

If nobody else has time (3)
 
21%

14 total votes

Your vote: BR for finals LR thread

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If nobody else has time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 17 2012 15:01 GMT
#2330
http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet/betcomments.php?liquibet=140
Don't know why the liquibet is so lop-sided Fantasy was a strong bet.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50110 Posts
July 17 2012 15:03 GMT
#2331
On July 18 2012 00:01 ShadeR wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet/betcomments.php?liquibet=140
Don't know why the liquibet is so lop-sided Fantasy was a strong bet.


bandwagoners....I hesitated to vote on flash myself.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
July 17 2012 15:05 GMT
#2332
I voted Flash myself, but that was just a fan vote (I don't even vote for PL anymore...). I predicted Fanta to win in the thread. I think many SC2 people not up to date with the latest bw development voted Flash too.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 15:06:24
July 17 2012 15:05 GMT
#2333
Whoa, that Nada rule will hold forever.
Everything pretty much pointed to Fantasy winning over the past two weeks though.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
July 17 2012 15:06 GMT
#2334
I was going to vote for him but was like... damn its flash fantasy is playing good but flash is flash so flash is flash
El amor no mueve al mundo, ni hace brillar el sol, pero el amor hace latir este corazon....
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
July 17 2012 15:07 GMT
#2335
On July 17 2012 23:35 jimbob615 wrote:
JD, July and Bisu are bonjwas. Just because some bureaucrats say they're not, doesn't mean they are not.


google definition of bonjwa...
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
GhostyGhost
Profile Joined January 2012
United States29 Posts
July 17 2012 15:08 GMT
#2336
On July 17 2012 23:55 Pasargadae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 22:12 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 17 2012 22:03 Pasargadae wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:56 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:54 setzer wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:52 nkr wrote:
woah would've expected jaedong or flash to win, but now it seems jangbi or fantasy will be the last bw bonjwa


This isn't SC2 where bonjwas are crowed every weekend.


Nope, it's not like that in SC2.

Though there's way more up and comer, and flukes than in BW.

But please don't say silly things...


Not counting tournaments, there have been 12 GSL seasons. Among those 12 seasons, there have been 7 separate champions. Out of the 12 possible golds, 8 of them belong to 3 individuals. How is this a silly point?


Simple : there isn't any bonjwa in SC2 yet... LG-IM_MVP is (i think) the closest player to this status, but I wouldn't say so, him not being dominant enough.

Taken from BW Liquipedia : A bonjwa is a player who dominates the scene for a long period of time.

Though there are a few players that are above the other for sure (atm DRG, MVP are the two that comes to my mind), there isn't any bonjwa in SC2....


So you're saying because he doesn't have the explicit title of bonjwa?
MVP was purely dominant for an entire year. He may not receive the accolade now, but he will be a bonjwa in the future. Boxer = case in point.


Well, Bonjwa is also the progamer who is the most dominant of his "era." Of course, era's are loosely defined. But that generally seems to be why Jaedong is not a bonjwa.

SC2 is a little different, the international scene (that is, outside of Korea) is far bigger. From the sheer number of tournaments, it might be harder to "DOMINATE" just because players aren't going to be in every major tourney.

For the year of 2011, MVP won about 70 percent of his matches in Korea. He won 3 gsl titles (out of a possible 6), an MLG, a WCG, and Blizzcon. But really we're going to have to wait a couple of years to really understand how dominant this year was. And if MVP doesn't reach that level of dominance again, is 1 year of dominance enough to be considered a bonjwa?
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 17 2012 15:09 GMT
#2337
On July 18 2012 00:07 ne4aJIb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 23:35 jimbob615 wrote:
JD, July and Bisu are bonjwas. Just because some bureaucrats say they're not, doesn't mean they are not.


google definition of bonjwa...

Bonjwa definition is pretty subjective.
That being said, now that Savior has no achievements, bonjwa is really just a synonym for "terran star."
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 15:13:10
July 17 2012 15:12 GMT
#2338
On July 18 2012 00:09 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:07 ne4aJIb wrote:
On July 17 2012 23:35 jimbob615 wrote:
JD, July and Bisu are bonjwas. Just because some bureaucrats say they're not, doesn't mean they are not.


google definition of bonjwa...

Bonjwa definition is pretty subjective.
That being said, now that Savior has no achievements, bonjwa is really just a synonym for "terran star."

Thats not our fault...
Remember when every thought Terran=weakest race?
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 17 2012 15:13 GMT
#2339
Please no more Bon Jovi talk!
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
July 17 2012 15:13 GMT
#2340
@GhogstyGhost Just come up with a new term that will correspond to the new scene...
And yeah, the answer to the question "Is Bisu a bonjwa ?" is the same to the question "Did he beat Mind in the GOMTV MSL season 3 final ?"
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
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