• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:20
CEST 18:20
KST 01:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"2ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!24Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)90
StarCraft 2
General
Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters
Tourneys
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion How Famous was FlaSh before his Debut? Animated Gateway BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Games can Help with Majo…
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3109 users

[OSL] Ro4: Flash vs Fantasy - Page 117

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 115 116 117 118 119 131 Next
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
July 17 2012 14:39 GMT
#2321
On July 17 2012 21:39 krndandaman wrote:
so whens the last time flash got 3-0'd?



Today XD


At last in BroodWar. And thats not funny
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 17 2012 14:39 GMT
#2322
On July 17 2012 23:11 amazingxkcd wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened?

:)
GhostyGhost
Profile Joined January 2012
United States29 Posts
July 17 2012 14:42 GMT
#2323
Were the games lopsided or did fantasy just happen to win small things here and there?
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
July 17 2012 14:51 GMT
#2324
On July 17 2012 23:16 ghrur wrote:
I just woke up and... wat


Could imagine. I would have been the same
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
July 17 2012 14:51 GMT
#2325
YEAH Fanta, thought to be fair he has been looking like the best player in BW for a while now, but its still a huge acomplishment to 3-0 flash in a starleague semi-final,
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Sethronu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom450 Posts
July 17 2012 14:54 GMT
#2326
On July 17 2012 23:42 GhostyGhost wrote:
Were the games lopsided or did fantasy just happen to win small things here and there?


First two games were really long management games with great play from both sides but Fantasy just looking more, I don't know, alive. Flash couldn't get a good position in the middle and tried going for mass dropship plays but Fantasy read him too well (also harassed too well, especially in game 2). Really reminiscent of their PL finals game. Game 3 Flash just kinda died.
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
July 17 2012 14:55 GMT
#2327
On July 17 2012 22:12 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 22:03 Pasargadae wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:56 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:54 setzer wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:52 nkr wrote:
woah would've expected jaedong or flash to win, but now it seems jangbi or fantasy will be the last bw bonjwa


This isn't SC2 where bonjwas are crowed every weekend.


Nope, it's not like that in SC2.

Though there's way more up and comer, and flukes than in BW.

But please don't say silly things...


Not counting tournaments, there have been 12 GSL seasons. Among those 12 seasons, there have been 7 separate champions. Out of the 12 possible golds, 8 of them belong to 3 individuals. How is this a silly point?


Simple : there isn't any bonjwa in SC2 yet... LG-IM_MVP is (i think) the closest player to this status, but I wouldn't say so, him not being dominant enough.

Taken from BW Liquipedia : A bonjwa is a player who dominates the scene for a long period of time.

Though there are a few players that are above the other for sure (atm DRG, MVP are the two that comes to my mind), there isn't any bonjwa in SC2....


So you're saying because he doesn't have the explicit title of bonjwa?
MVP was purely dominant for an entire year. He may not receive the accolade now, but he will be a bonjwa in the future. Boxer = case in point.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
July 17 2012 14:56 GMT
#2328
Man, so happy for Fantasy. Was screaming at my TV like a true fanboy. His play the last six months has been so incredibly good.

FUCK

YEAH

FANTASY!
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51111 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 15:02:34
July 17 2012 14:59 GMT
#2329
I had the majority of my viewing experience of the series recorded on teamspeak...

Poll: BR for finals LR thread

No (6)
 
43%

Yes (5)
 
36%

If nobody else has time (3)
 
21%

14 total votes

Your vote: BR for finals LR thread

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If nobody else has time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 17 2012 15:01 GMT
#2330
http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet/betcomments.php?liquibet=140
Don't know why the liquibet is so lop-sided Fantasy was a strong bet.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51111 Posts
July 17 2012 15:03 GMT
#2331
On July 18 2012 00:01 ShadeR wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet/betcomments.php?liquibet=140
Don't know why the liquibet is so lop-sided Fantasy was a strong bet.


bandwagoners....I hesitated to vote on flash myself.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
July 17 2012 15:05 GMT
#2332
I voted Flash myself, but that was just a fan vote (I don't even vote for PL anymore...). I predicted Fanta to win in the thread. I think many SC2 people not up to date with the latest bw development voted Flash too.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 15:06:24
July 17 2012 15:05 GMT
#2333
Whoa, that Nada rule will hold forever.
Everything pretty much pointed to Fantasy winning over the past two weeks though.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
July 17 2012 15:06 GMT
#2334
I was going to vote for him but was like... damn its flash fantasy is playing good but flash is flash so flash is flash
El amor no mueve al mundo, ni hace brillar el sol, pero el amor hace latir este corazon....
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
July 17 2012 15:07 GMT
#2335
On July 17 2012 23:35 jimbob615 wrote:
JD, July and Bisu are bonjwas. Just because some bureaucrats say they're not, doesn't mean they are not.


google definition of bonjwa...
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
GhostyGhost
Profile Joined January 2012
United States29 Posts
July 17 2012 15:08 GMT
#2336
On July 17 2012 23:55 Pasargadae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 22:12 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 17 2012 22:03 Pasargadae wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:56 Ragnarork wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:54 setzer wrote:
On July 17 2012 21:52 nkr wrote:
woah would've expected jaedong or flash to win, but now it seems jangbi or fantasy will be the last bw bonjwa


This isn't SC2 where bonjwas are crowed every weekend.


Nope, it's not like that in SC2.

Though there's way more up and comer, and flukes than in BW.

But please don't say silly things...


Not counting tournaments, there have been 12 GSL seasons. Among those 12 seasons, there have been 7 separate champions. Out of the 12 possible golds, 8 of them belong to 3 individuals. How is this a silly point?


Simple : there isn't any bonjwa in SC2 yet... LG-IM_MVP is (i think) the closest player to this status, but I wouldn't say so, him not being dominant enough.

Taken from BW Liquipedia : A bonjwa is a player who dominates the scene for a long period of time.

Though there are a few players that are above the other for sure (atm DRG, MVP are the two that comes to my mind), there isn't any bonjwa in SC2....


So you're saying because he doesn't have the explicit title of bonjwa?
MVP was purely dominant for an entire year. He may not receive the accolade now, but he will be a bonjwa in the future. Boxer = case in point.


Well, Bonjwa is also the progamer who is the most dominant of his "era." Of course, era's are loosely defined. But that generally seems to be why Jaedong is not a bonjwa.

SC2 is a little different, the international scene (that is, outside of Korea) is far bigger. From the sheer number of tournaments, it might be harder to "DOMINATE" just because players aren't going to be in every major tourney.

For the year of 2011, MVP won about 70 percent of his matches in Korea. He won 3 gsl titles (out of a possible 6), an MLG, a WCG, and Blizzcon. But really we're going to have to wait a couple of years to really understand how dominant this year was. And if MVP doesn't reach that level of dominance again, is 1 year of dominance enough to be considered a bonjwa?
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 17 2012 15:09 GMT
#2337
On July 18 2012 00:07 ne4aJIb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 23:35 jimbob615 wrote:
JD, July and Bisu are bonjwas. Just because some bureaucrats say they're not, doesn't mean they are not.


google definition of bonjwa...

Bonjwa definition is pretty subjective.
That being said, now that Savior has no achievements, bonjwa is really just a synonym for "terran star."
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 15:13:10
July 17 2012 15:12 GMT
#2338
On July 18 2012 00:09 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:07 ne4aJIb wrote:
On July 17 2012 23:35 jimbob615 wrote:
JD, July and Bisu are bonjwas. Just because some bureaucrats say they're not, doesn't mean they are not.


google definition of bonjwa...

Bonjwa definition is pretty subjective.
That being said, now that Savior has no achievements, bonjwa is really just a synonym for "terran star."

Thats not our fault...
Remember when every thought Terran=weakest race?
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 17 2012 15:13 GMT
#2339
Please no more Bon Jovi talk!
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
July 17 2012 15:13 GMT
#2340
@GhogstyGhost Just come up with a new term that will correspond to the new scene...
And yeah, the answer to the question "Is Bisu a bonjwa ?" is the same to the question "Did he beat Mind in the GOMTV MSL season 3 final ?"
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Prev 1 115 116 117 118 119 131 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#123
Soulspirit vs goblin
TriGGeR vs Bunny
RotterdaM564
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 564
ProTech91
RushiSC 34
MindelVK 14
BRAT_OK 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 1146
EffOrt 1115
firebathero 385
actioN 274
ggaemo 251
Snow 240
hero 189
Sharp 89
Free 64
Hyun 61
[ Show more ]
Mind 60
soO 53
Sexy 48
Dewaltoss 46
JYJ 46
Bale 40
Barracks 33
Hm[arnc] 31
Rock 24
Aegong 23
scan(afreeca) 21
IntoTheRainbow 18
NaDa 16
NotJumperer 14
zelot 13
Yoon 11
Noble 7
ajuk12(nOOB) 6
Shine 5
Dota 2
syndereN960
Counter-Strike
fl0m5030
edward44
Other Games
singsing2156
hiko794
Mlord491
crisheroes286
Hui .220
C9.Mang0186
Liquid`VortiX154
TKL 143
XaKoH 102
CosmosSc2 83
XcaliburYe66
ArmadaUGS62
KnowMe60
Trikslyr52
QueenE44
Rex30
fpsfer 1
Organizations
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 238
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 44
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV489
League of Legends
• Jankos1938
• Nemesis1432
Other Games
• Shiphtur171
Upcoming Events
OSC
5h 40m
Replay Cast
8h 10m
Korean StarCraft League
10h 40m
Afreeca Starleague
11h 40m
RSL Revival
16h 40m
Serral vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Online Event
22h 40m
RSL Revival
1d 16h
Clem vs ByuN
Rogue vs Lambo
OSC
1d 19h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
INu's Battles
3 days
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Patches Events
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-22
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Escore Tournament S3: W4
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.