It goes to ace and it's Flash vs Stork and Stork off-races terran (I know it's against the rules..) and tries the lift off immediately to gold base strategy but then he realizes mules don't work on gold anymore
On June 16 2012 10:36 Kiett wrote: I'll be taking a final while this happens :/
Welp. Khan fighting~
GL on your finals, sucks that it coincides with your birthday. I'm guessing you don't go to school in the States? Because iirc it should be summer vacation there by now.
On June 16 2012 10:36 Kiett wrote: I'll be taking a final while this happens :/
Welp. Khan fighting~
GL on your finals, sucks that it coincides with your birthday. I'm guessing you don't go to school in the States? Because iirc it should be summer vacation there by now.
Nah, I'm just on the quarter system. We start late and end late :<
I haven't caught up in lineup eligibility for past week or so... anyone know who can play BW and who can play SC2?? I think Stats, Hoejja has to play SC2 but Action, Motive has to play BW
It seems Flash has to play SC2 today and i'm really interested to see that. His ability seems to have imporoved dramatically since a few weeks ago let's see if he can continue that.
I guess we can tell if KT are taking this match seriously, by their (non)usage of Lizzy in BW.
If the match is super important for them and overall very difficult, they may delay Lizzy's SC2 return by one match, and apply his horrible BW next time, instead of today. If they use him in BW today, it's basically like bm nuke at Khan or something. i.e. "It's more important for us to have Lizzy's SC2 in the next match, than avoiding his BW auto-loss vs Khan; we can take Khan even with such disadvantage". The "manner Lizzy" bm team strat.
On June 16 2012 11:32 figq wrote: I guess we can tell if KT are taking this match seriously, by their (non)usage of Lizzy in BW.
If the match is super important for them and overall very difficult, they may delay Lizzy's SC2 return by one match, and apply his horrible BW next time, instead of today. If they use him in BW today, it's basically like bm nuke at Khan or something. i.e. "It's more important for us to have Lizzy's SC2 in the next match, than avoiding his BW auto-loss vs Khan; we can take Khan even with such disadvantage". The "manner Lizzy" bm team strat.
Lizzy isn't even very good. I feel that they should take him off the team even for full time SC2.
On June 16 2012 11:32 figq wrote: I guess we can tell if KT are taking this match seriously, by their (non)usage of Lizzy in BW.
If the match is super important for them and overall very difficult, they may delay Lizzy's SC2 return by one match, and apply his horrible BW next time, instead of today. If they use him in BW today, it's basically like bm nuke at Khan or something. i.e. "It's more important for us to have Lizzy's SC2 in the next match, than avoiding his BW auto-loss vs Khan; we can take Khan even with such disadvantage". The "manner Lizzy" bm team strat.
Lizzy isn't even very good. I feel that they should take him off the team even for full time SC2.
Isn't he their SC2 ace anymore? The others caught up?
On June 16 2012 11:32 figq wrote: I guess we can tell if KT are taking this match seriously, by their (non)usage of Lizzy in BW.
If the match is super important for them and overall very difficult, they may delay Lizzy's SC2 return by one match, and apply his horrible BW next time, instead of today. If they use him in BW today, it's basically like bm nuke at Khan or something. i.e. "It's more important for us to have Lizzy's SC2 in the next match, than avoiding his BW auto-loss vs Khan; we can take Khan even with such disadvantage". The "manner Lizzy" bm team strat.
Lizzy isn't even very good. I feel that they should take him off the team even for full time SC2.
Isn't he their SC2 ace anymore? The others caught up?
Flash... He could definitely be an Ace from what I saw in MLG. He is good enough skill wise, as he won against Soulkey, who was said to be KeSPA's best SC2 players and Woongjin's ace. And even though he might not be the best player in the team, he still has more experience than others as an Ace player.
On June 16 2012 11:32 figq wrote: I guess we can tell if KT are taking this match seriously, by their (non)usage of Lizzy in BW.
If the match is super important for them and overall very difficult, they may delay Lizzy's SC2 return by one match, and apply his horrible BW next time, instead of today. If they use him in BW today, it's basically like bm nuke at Khan or something. i.e. "It's more important for us to have Lizzy's SC2 in the next match, than avoiding his BW auto-loss vs Khan; we can take Khan even with such disadvantage". The "manner Lizzy" bm team strat.
Lizzy isn't even very good. I feel that they should take him off the team even for full time SC2.
Isn't he their SC2 ace anymore? The others caught up?
Lee Young Ho caught up which means that Lizzy no longer Ace.
Only concluded from MLG? Still, even if/when Lizzy becomes second-best at SC2, that's important enough for them to use him in those BW auto-losses; at least against weaker teams than Khan, when they could win despite such loss. If they use him vs Khan though, it counts as bm strat, imo.
On June 16 2012 11:55 sluggaslamoo wrote: Poor Lizzy lol. Hero to Zero.
He only went 2-2 in SC2. His wins were with a powerful all-in zergs have problems with and a win on an imba protoss map vs the underperforming proleague terrans. He never showed good play in any of his games, that's why I was worried for KT. Flash is very good now, though, so hopefully the rest of the team catches up soon. Maybe Lizzy will improve too.
Roro ran into Action's main base, picks off a single drone Action pushing back Roro's lings towards Roro's nat Creep colony morphing, panic mode Lings oging to buffer for the sunken to morph in Action has more lings, drones being pulled Sunken morphs in
From an untrained eye, Roro's sneaking his lings in and getting drone kills meant Action was behind economically. He put a lot of resources into that counter ling attack and didn't get anything for it except ling kills, despite his superior numbers. Was pretty far behind after that.
On June 16 2012 12:19 DropBear wrote: From an untrained eye, Roro's sneaking his lings in and getting drone kills meant Action was behind economically. He put a lot of resources into that counter ling attack and didn't get anything for it except ling kills, despite his superior numbers. Was pretty far behind after that.
And BlindRawr I have to say the Doritos
He killed so many with only a few units! That was a great move that definitely won him the game.
On June 16 2012 12:19 DropBear wrote: From an untrained eye, Roro's sneaking his lings in and getting drone kills meant Action was behind economically. He put a lot of resources into that counter ling attack and didn't get anything for it except ling kills, despite his superior numbers. Was pretty far behind after that.
And BlindRawr I have to say the Doritos
Action didn't counter. He was going for a ling bust from the beginning, but got scouted by Roro's ninja lings which also managed to kill some drones in the process. Action's build is a pretty standard strategy trying to hit the window right before mutas, especially given his larva advantage. But Roro scouted it early and delayed enough for his sunken to get up.
Action's economy suffered more through his attempted ling bust than the drones Roro killed.
Side Note: I think this is Roro's first ZvZ win this season?
On June 16 2012 12:23 DropBear wrote: Did they kick all the other Khan players out of their chairs for this interview with Roro?!?!? Or is this a special interview place?
Flash taking the vision tower midmap Whats that building in the middle of KOP's production facilities? Third CC floating over to Flash's 3rd KOP building on at the position
Those rocks killed off at Flash's 3rd +1 attack for bio is done KOP going for mech, armory being added Flash gonna counter drop, Flash runs into a ring and a floating rax, whats that ring?!
Flash kills a ton of scvs with the football players football players kill off a ton of units Flash didn't use the moment to push the tank line Flash gonna drop onto the tanks themselves Flash cleans up the contain
On June 16 2012 13:15 Sawamura wrote: ball vs ball .......
your complaining about clumping units when you have them all grouped together? i saw that in effect only one or two times. " oh my god the units arent streaming in a line "
On June 16 2012 13:15 Sawamura wrote: ball vs ball .......
yeah those werent balls, those were siege lines being battered back anda forth. i dont know what you think you were watching.
huge clump of units attacking each other not ball ?
Ball vs ball generally refers to a late game scenario where you have all supply in two huge armies who then fight for positioning and the smallest mistake loses the game.
On June 16 2012 13:15 Sawamura wrote: ball vs ball .......
your complaining about clumping units when you have them all grouped together? i saw that in effect only one or two times. " oh my god the units arent streaming in a line "
On June 16 2012 13:15 Sawamura wrote: ball vs ball .......
your complaining about clumping units when you have them all grouped together? i saw that in effect only one or two times. " oh my god the units arent streaming in a line "
ball = clump ? no?
yes but their units were never "clumped" for long periods of time, only whne moving some bio or tanks to reposition.
On June 16 2012 13:15 Sawamura wrote: ball vs ball .......
your complaining about clumping units when you have them all grouped together? i saw that in effect only one or two times. " oh my god the units arent streaming in a line "
ball = clump ? no?
yes but their units were never "clumped" for long periods of time, only whne moving some bio or tanks to reposition.
the units were closely clump to each other it's a ball formation man.
oh hush sawamura, you don't go around saying every hydra/lurk composition is a "ball vs ball" when zerg tries to flank a protoss. Or ling/muta around rines. This was small balls of marauder/tank doing some flanks.
was a bad game for kop playing bad and other factors, but that was not as ball vs ball as most of sc2.
On June 16 2012 13:20 N.geNuity wrote: oh hush sawamura, you don't go around saying every hydra/lurk composition is a "ball vs ball" when zerg tries to flank a protoss. Or ling/muta around rines.
was a bad game for kop playing bad, but that was not as ball vs ball as most of sc2.
I can't see a damn thing in the whole clump units which consequently made me label the whole formation a unit a ball . Must be me ....
Fire Helions get caught and killed Double drop for Reality, unloads one in the main, one at the third The one at the third lifts Reality trying to find a drop zone Drops in the third mineral line
Flash is the best SC2 player from BW, evident by the MLG thing where he went 6-0 over the other best sc2 bw players, so he is a heavy favorite going into this
On June 16 2012 13:46 Rulker wrote: Flash is the best SC2 player from BW, evident by the MLG thing where he went 6-0 over the other best sc2 bw players, so he is a heavy favorite going into this
You do realize that those players were chosen for their BW fame, right?
On June 16 2012 13:46 Rulker wrote: Flash is the best SC2 player from BW, evident by the MLG thing where he went 6-0 over the other best sc2 bw players, so he is a heavy favorite going into this
You do realize that those players were chosen for their BW fame, right?
Soulkey was also chosen for being known as one of the best sc2 players so far and flash beat him 2-0
On June 16 2012 13:46 Rulker wrote: Flash is the best SC2 player from BW, evident by the MLG thing where he went 6-0 over the other best sc2 bw players, so he is a heavy favorite going into this
You do realize that those players were chosen for their BW fame, right?
On June 16 2012 13:46 Rulker wrote: Flash is the best SC2 player from BW, evident by the MLG thing where he went 6-0 over the other best sc2 bw players, so he is a heavy favorite going into this
You do realize that those players were chosen for their BW fame, right?
Soulkey was also chosen for being known as the best sc2 players so far and flash beat him 2-0
On June 16 2012 13:46 Rulker wrote: Flash is the best SC2 player from BW, evident by the MLG thing where he went 6-0 over the other best sc2 bw players, so he is a heavy favorite going into this
You do realize that those players were chosen for their BW fame, right?
Soulkey was also chosen for being known as one of the best sc2 players so far and flash beat him 2-0
Soulkey and Calm were chosen so that there would be 1 from each team.
On June 16 2012 13:46 Rulker wrote: Flash is the best SC2 player from BW, evident by the MLG thing where he went 6-0 over the other best sc2 bw players, so he is a heavy favorite going into this
You do realize that those players were chosen for their BW fame, right?
famtasy has played sc2 every chance possible, soulkey was considered best bw sc2 pro (EVERY BW PRO SAID THIS) and then bisu/jaedong/calm/leta/stork are good at sc2.
On June 16 2012 14:01 eviltomahawk wrote: I'm still waiting for someone to cheese the crap out of Flash when he 14cc's. I can't believe he is still able to get away with it in SC2 so much.
Kwanro has to come out of retirement Or is he in the army, I can't remember Roro taking a third, taking 4 gases at once Stim researching Flash pushing out with a small force of marines 1.5 tier hydra den, or whatever
On June 16 2012 14:01 eviltomahawk wrote: I'm still waiting for someone to cheese the crap out of Flash when he 14cc's. I can't believe he is still able to get away with it in SC2 so much.
today ByuL 6 pooled MKP twice in a row (mkp went 14 cc both games) and won both times lol
Third up for Roro GreenScarab nest morphing in Ling speed morphing in, evo is on the way Double technology add on for the rax Football players being added
1.5 tier hydras spitting their green acid spikes? No no, not spikes, whatever that is at the rocks Stim done for Flash, early stim, no medic dropships, but Flsh takes a few creep spreading things Queen poo, Flash going to micro down the lings and greenScarabs
On June 16 2012 14:08 Rulker wrote: what does ppp stand for
pp = please pause
KeSPA rules state, that in order for a pause, you need to repeat "p" any number of times, before it was specifically 3, "ppp" but since, they've modified, as controversy sparked from a player, Leta irrc typing pp instead of ppp Thought I'd share
Everything is back to normal? Any translations? Amory on the way, seige mode done, +1+1 just about done for Flash's bio Hive morphing, spire on the way, +2 melee and carapace on the way Defilereavers on the way
+2/+2 bio upgrades on the way Crackling upgrade on the way Huge ensnareplaygu on Flash's army Holy crap, Flash getting into an engagement at his third Losing the engagement
perfect delaying attack by roro, now he can get out his brood lords and catch flash by surprise only question is, does he have enough infestors to protect his brood lords?
good move by roro take both the left and right expos however he needs spines, one medivac drop will kill a base, even if its in the man, esp with him transitioning into broods
huge fungals from roro taking out all of the marines, flash doesnt even have vikings out on the field he over made medivacs and started vikings too late, he has no way of taking out the broodlords
A top player like MVP, MKP, or MMA would've been harassing waaaaay more throughout the game. I guess Flash's style worked against Soulkey during the MLG Invitational, but Roro played right and deflected enough of Flash's aggression to turtle to a powerful Broodlord-Corruptor-Infestor-Baneling army that was just too powerful for a 3-base Terran to stop.
On June 16 2012 13:46 Rulker wrote: Flash is the best SC2 player from BW, evident by the MLG thing where he went 6-0 over the other best sc2 bw players, so he is a heavy favorite going into this
You do realize that those players were chosen for their BW fame, right?
famtasy has played sc2 every chance possible, soulkey was considered best bw sc2 pro (EVERY BW PRO SAID THIS) and then bisu/jaedong/calm/leta/stork are good at sc2.
6-0
Other than soulkey, compared to their teammates, those were not the best players. That's why January smartly sent out Roro in the final game. It's pretty obvious if you compare Roro's play today with Stork's play last weekend, who has a better understanding of the game.
On June 16 2012 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote: Flash was so damn passive against Roro >_<
A top player like MVP, MKP, or MMA would've been harassing waaaaay more throughout the game. I guess Flash's style worked against Soulkey during the MLG Invitational, but Roro played right and deflected enough of Flash's aggression to turtle to a powerful Broodlord-Corruptor-Infestor-Baneling army that was just too powerful for a 3-base Terran to stop.
It was more Flash's build that lost him the game not his playstyle . He went for 3 rax after 14CC and tried to push and deny Roro's third base . Roro didn't play greedy and stoped that no problem . After that Flash was so behind in everything to make anything happen .
I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
On June 16 2012 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote: Flash was so damn passive against Roro >_<
A top player like MVP, MKP, or MMA would've been harassing waaaaay more throughout the game. I guess Flash's style worked against Soulkey during the MLG Invitational, but Roro played right and deflected enough of Flash's aggression to turtle to a powerful Broodlord-Corruptor-Infestor-Baneling army that was just too powerful for a 3-base Terran to stop.
It was more Flash's build that lost him the game not his playstyle . He went for 3 rax after 14CC and tried to push and deny Roro's third base . Roro didn't play greedy and stoped that no problem . After that Flash was so behind in everything to make anything happen .
God himself has said: "Huh, it is pretty damn hard to comeback in this game." I guess he's right.
On June 16 2012 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote: Flash was so damn passive against Roro >_<
A top player like MVP, MKP, or MMA would've been harassing waaaaay more throughout the game. I guess Flash's style worked against Soulkey during the MLG Invitational, but Roro played right and deflected enough of Flash's aggression to turtle to a powerful Broodlord-Corruptor-Infestor-Baneling army that was just too powerful for a 3-base Terran to stop.
It was more Flash's build that lost him the game not his playstyle . He went for 3 rax after 14CC and tried to push and deny Roro's third base . Roro didn't play greedy and stoped that no problem . After that Flash was so behind in everything to make anything happen .
God himself has said: "Huh, it is pretty damn hard to comeback in this game." I guess he's right.
Well we all knew it with things like the new hi ground mechanic and warp ins etc.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
Post might have been fine... but then you had to ask for the ban :/
On June 16 2012 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote: Flash was so damn passive against Roro >_<
A top player like MVP, MKP, or MMA would've been harassing waaaaay more throughout the game. I guess Flash's style worked against Soulkey during the MLG Invitational, but Roro played right and deflected enough of Flash's aggression to turtle to a powerful Broodlord-Corruptor-Infestor-Baneling army that was just too powerful for a 3-base Terran to stop.
It was more Flash's build that lost him the game not his playstyle . He went for 3 rax after 14CC and tried to push and deny Roro's third base . Roro didn't play greedy and stoped that no problem . After that Flash was so behind in everything to make anything happen .
He's not really that behind at that point. If you can control your bio units well, you can trade army efficiently against Zerg and come out on top, or even with more and more Medivac. But his control slip up a little bit and got fungal and lost his army at the center. Then he proceeds to engage Brood Lord (nickname: gglord) directly instead of abuse immobility of them and snipe tech unit and main or snipe expansions. That would force Zerg to move his army around more so he can get more unit for a better engagement.
The most recent game with quite a similar situation is MKP vs Stephano from the most recent MLG. MKP went for the same build as Flash did in this game but he trade his army more efficiently, even with Fungal from Infestor, so Zerg cannot afford Brood Lord without getting killed.
EDIT: Oh and the creep spread from Roro was uncontested by Flash, like no pushing back the creep spread at all. That makes him really in the tough spot because he could not engage efficiently and you don't ever want to engage Zerg army on creep.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
Please keep in mind that these players have devoted a significant part of their lives to progaming. It's true that SC2 is not as exciting to watch as BW (for now at least) but part of me just wants to see these guys do well in the thing they've put so much into, regardless of what game they play.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
Quick edit your post!!! Although I do understand how you feel.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
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The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
I also agree that watching SC2 is nothing compared to watching Brood War but why not give it a chance? Why this hate? I don't understand how people say this post was fine until he asked for ban... really?
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
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I would do the same thing and get a ban, but I simply skipped on todays matches))
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
I also agree that watching SC2 is nothing compared to watching Brood War but why not give it a chance? Why this hate? I don't understand how people say this post was fine until he asked for ban... really?
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
Talking about elitism? For me the best indicator is the popularity of new PL on TL, which went down from 60 pages per match to 10. He was just the person who shouted that out. I wonder how many just silently stopped watching.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
I also agree that watching SC2 is nothing compared to watching Brood War but why not give it a chance? Why this hate? I don't understand how people say this post was fine until he asked for ban... really?
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
Talking about elitism? For me the best indicator is the popularity of new PL on TL, which went down from 60 posts per match to 10. He was just the person who shouted that out. I wonder how many just silently stopped watching.
popularity is due to the crappy play for both games mroe than anything else
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
I also agree that watching SC2 is nothing compared to watching Brood War but why not give it a chance? Why this hate? I don't understand how people say this post was fine until he asked for ban... really?
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
Talking about elitism? For me the best indicator is the popularity of new PL on TL, which went down from 60 posts per match to 10. He was just the person who shouted that out. I wonder how many just silently stopped watching.
popularity is due to the crappy play for both games mroe than anything else
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
Many of us were very optimistic since the beta. I know I was one of them. But as we learned what made BW great and how those mechanics were missing in SC2 we became disillusioned.
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
I would much rather have BW pros play any other game they'd enjoy just to spite rabid SCtoo fanboys.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
I also agree that watching SC2 is nothing compared to watching Brood War but why not give it a chance? Why this hate? I don't understand how people say this post was fine until he asked for ban... really?
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
Talking about elitism? For me the best indicator is the popularity of new PL on TL, which went down from 60 posts per match to 10. He was just the person who shouted that out. I wonder how many just silently stopped watching.
60 posts? Did you mean 60 pages? Because it's 260-ish posts on this thread and around 60 posts on the other thread right now.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
I also agree that watching SC2 is nothing compared to watching Brood War but why not give it a chance? Why this hate? I don't understand how people say this post was fine until he asked for ban... really?
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
Talking about elitism? For me the best indicator is the popularity of new PL on TL, which went down from 60 posts per match to 10. He was just the person who shouted that out. I wonder how many just silently stopped watching.
A PL BW match where Flash lost the ace match would have exploded this thread and the Power Rank into a flamewar. Today it gets the same reaction if one drank tepid coffee.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
I also agree that watching SC2 is nothing compared to watching Brood War but why not give it a chance? Why this hate? I don't understand how people say this post was fine until he asked for ban... really?
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
Talking about elitism? For me the best indicator is the popularity of new PL on TL, which went down from 60 posts per match to 10. He was just the person who shouted that out. I wonder how many just silently stopped watching.
A PL BW match where Flash lost the ace match would have exploded this thread and the Power Rank into a flamewar. Today it gets the same reaction if one drank tepid coffee.
I'm huge BW fan, but this joint league isn't working. I'm actually not that interested in BW matches result-wise as they don't matter anymore in the long run. As a Flash fan i like the switch to SC2, once again he can prove that he is in fact an IMMORTAL. It's a challenge and it brings more enjoyment than "will flash win his 12164106354th OSL"?
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
Many of us were very optimistic since the beta. I know I was one of them. But as we learned what made BW great and how those mechanics were missing in SC2 we became disillusioned.
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
I would much rather have BW pros play any other game they'd enjoy just to spite rabid SCtoo fanboys.
But... everyone who is super excited about BW players coming over are/were BW players/fans themselves. I don't think many of these "fanboys" would be spited if people who never played StarCraft 2 continued to never play it. The only people who are spited by that are those that enjoy both games. You're grossly overestimating the desire of SC2-exclusive fans for BW players.
i know that i'm really trying to like sc2, but man, game is so horrible. After one game i just can't stand and go to sleep, there's no excitement, no great play. And despite the game being kind of new, its still very bad. It's great to play, but terrible to watch
On June 16 2012 23:35 Jackal03 wrote: i know that i'm really trying to like sc2, but man, game is so horrible. After one game i just can't stand and go to sleep, there's no excitement, no great play. And despite the game being kind of new, its still very bad. It's great to play, but terrible to watch
And i have no idea how this can be fixed.
I really hope this opinion isn't a product of Proleague SC2 games.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
I also agree that watching SC2 is nothing compared to watching Brood War but why not give it a chance? Why this hate? I don't understand how people say this post was fine until he asked for ban... really?
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
Talking about elitism? For me the best indicator is the popularity of new PL on TL, which went down from 60 posts per match to 10. He was just the person who shouted that out. I wonder how many just silently stopped watching.
A PL BW match where Flash lost the ace match would have exploded this thread and the Power Rank into a flamewar. Today it gets the same reaction if one drank tepid coffee.
I'm huge BW fan, but this joint league isn't working. I'm actually not that interested in BW matches result-wise as they don't matter anymore in the long run. As a Flash fan i like the switch to SC2, once again he can prove that he is in fact an IMMORTAL. It's a challenge and it brings more enjoyment than "will flash win his 12164106354th OSL"?
I think you misspelled 4th.
It's true though that pages went from 50-100 to 5-20.
On June 16 2012 23:35 Jackal03 wrote: i know that i'm really trying to like sc2, but man, game is so horrible. After one game i just can't stand and go to sleep, there's no excitement, no great play. And despite the game being kind of new, its still very bad. It's great to play, but terrible to watch
And i have no idea how this can be fixed.
I really hope this opinion isn't a product of Proleague SC2 games.
no it's not, i know the other sc2 leagues produces better games, but it's still unsatisfying. Perhaps i set the bar too high with the years of great BW games. But i'll give it time, today i find LOL/dota games better to watch, guess i have to go that way
On June 16 2012 23:35 Jackal03 wrote: i know that i'm really trying to like sc2, but man, game is so horrible. After one game i just can't stand and go to sleep, there's no excitement, no great play. And despite the game being kind of new, its still very bad. It's great to play, but terrible to watch
And i have no idea how this can be fixed.
I really hope this opinion isn't a product of Proleague SC2 games.
no it's not, i know the other sc2 leagues produces better games, but it's still unsatisfying. Perhaps i set the bar too high with the years of great BW games. But i'll give it time, today i find LOL/dota games better to watch, guess i have to go that way
SC2 leagues right now does not only product better games, it's on a different level. Last night's GSTL had like games that are constantly back and forth almost all game long.
They should have just waited till the current OSL is over and made a clean cut. BW dies like someone would painfully die from cancer and watching it die like this is equally painful.
On June 16 2012 14:34 pylonsalad wrote: I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears. After they switch to all-SC2 I hope young BW players leave the teams and start their own unofficial BW league. I wouldn't mind if we go back to the days of PC bang players competing and just posting the replays. God, I miss real Starcraft. Now ban me.
User was temp banned for this post.
The problem is the elitism you have, the elitism that bashes SC2 to the ground since beta, just because it is not Brood War. I think you would hate any type of sequel no matter what because it wouldn't be brood war. Even it was SC2 came out as the best RTS ever made, you would still shit on it again, because it was not Brood War. So please, keep the hate.
I also agree that watching SC2 is nothing compared to watching Brood War but why not give it a chance? Why this hate? I don't understand how people say this post was fine until he asked for ban... really?
There now, I am sorry but all your precious pro-gamers are not forming an unofficial team, they are switching to a game that has no "Starcraft" in it's name and it's not a strategy game.. I hope you are happy. You can watch them playing that moba.
Talking about elitism? For me the best indicator is the popularity of new PL on TL, which went down from 60 posts per match to 10. He was just the person who shouted that out. I wonder how many just silently stopped watching.
A PL BW match where Flash lost the ace match would have exploded this thread and the Power Rank into a flamewar. Today it gets the same reaction if one drank tepid coffee.
I'm huge BW fan, but this joint league isn't working. I'm actually not that interested in BW matches result-wise as they don't matter anymore in the long run. As a Flash fan i like the switch to SC2, once again he can prove that he is in fact an IMMORTAL. It's a challenge and it brings more enjoyment than "will flash win his 12164106354th OSL"?
I think you misspelled 4th.
It's true though that pages went from 50-100 to 5-20.
The pages dropping down so much IMO isn't fully Sc2's fault though... More the stupid league format of players playing two games. The overall game quality of BW and Sc2 is hurt wayyy to much by this, and leaves with shit all to discuss.
i dont know where all these "bw elitism" name calling is coming from. the fact is we love broodwar and we enjoy watching bw more then any other esports out there regardless of giving sc2 a chance or not. stating that playing and watching bw is better then playing and watching sc2 is an opinion and you can watch whichever game you like better. but hey guess what we dont get to have bw anymore because sc2 is taking over.
Even if the quality of sc2 increases to current gsl code s, we love bw and we are angry that its getting not just simply killed off, but is being dragged around in the dirt by this dual league before its shutdown forever.
On June 17 2012 01:17 destian wrote: spl threads used to 30 pages of replies at best, usually half that, until the quarter, semi, and grand finals.
Searched "KT Samsung" on this site. # of pages for the past 5 matches between these two teams: 86, 33, 34, 31, 45. Depending on the time slot and how much controversy involving Flash the number will fluctuate, but certainly in recent years it was more than what you imply.
On June 17 2012 01:17 destian wrote: spl threads used to 30 pages of replies at best, usually half that, until the quarter, semi, and grand finals.
Searched "KT Samsung" on this site. # of pages for the past 5 matches between these two teams: 86, 33, 34, 31, 45. Depending on the time slot and how much controversy involving Flash the number will fluctuate, but certainly in recent years it was more than what you imply.
On June 17 2012 01:17 destian wrote: spl threads used to 30 pages of replies at best, usually half that, until the quarter, semi, and grand finals.
Searched "KT Samsung" on this site. # of pages for the past 5 matches between these two teams: 86, 33, 34, 31, 45. Depending on the time slot and how much controversy involving Flash the number will fluctuate, but certainly in recent years it was more than what you imply.
On June 17 2012 01:17 destian wrote: spl threads used to 30 pages of replies at best, usually half that, until the quarter, semi, and grand finals.
Searched "KT Samsung" on this site. # of pages for the past 5 matches between these two teams: 86, 33, 34, 31, 45. Depending on the time slot and how much controversy involving Flash the number will fluctuate, but certainly in recent years it was more than what you imply.
Including SC2's thread it's basically the same.
Compared to the past, no.
SC2 thread plus this thread are 31 pages in total, and both threads might still grow by 2 or three pages. Therefore there is no difference in the total number of pages posted about the match.
On June 17 2012 01:17 destian wrote: spl threads used to 30 pages of replies at best, usually half that, until the quarter, semi, and grand finals.
Searched "KT Samsung" on this site. # of pages for the past 5 matches between these two teams: 86, 33, 34, 31, 45. Depending on the time slot and how much controversy involving Flash the number will fluctuate, but certainly in recent years it was more than what you imply.
Including SC2's thread it's basically the same.
Compared to the past, no.
SC2 thread plus this thread are 31 pages in total, and both threads might still grow by 2 or three pages. Therefore there is no difference in the total number of pages posted about the match.
there is a bigger community and a decrease in pages. the difference is pretty massive
Not sure why anyone would come here and complain if we don't like SC2. I mean, no one here complains about how bad the SC2 forums are, do we? The land of all things bonjwa and imbalanced?
On June 17 2012 01:17 destian wrote: spl threads used to 30 pages of replies at best, usually half that, until the quarter, semi, and grand finals.
Searched "KT Samsung" on this site. # of pages for the past 5 matches between these two teams: 86, 33, 34, 31, 45. Depending on the time slot and how much controversy involving Flash the number will fluctuate, but certainly in recent years it was more than what you imply.
On June 17 2012 01:17 destian wrote: spl threads used to 30 pages of replies at best, usually half that, until the quarter, semi, and grand finals.
Searched "KT Samsung" on this site. # of pages for the past 5 matches between these two teams: 86, 33, 34, 31, 45. Depending on the time slot and how much controversy involving Flash the number will fluctuate, but certainly in recent years it was more than what you imply.
Including SC2's thread it's basically the same.
Compared to the past, no.
SC2 thread plus this thread are 31 pages in total, and both threads might still grow by 2 or three pages. Therefore there is no difference in the total number of pages posted about the match.
The KT vs SKT threads have a combined 14 pages at the end of the match, compared to historical values of 376 (lol), 73, 96, 49, 229, 79, 130, 76, 103.