Due to new map changes which should take effect in the OSL as well, the previous predictions have to be radically changed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337537 Set 1: JangBi < Neo Ground Zero > Bogus This would be the game of the night if not for the new map changes. Due to the new changes to Neo Ground Zero, the third base gas has been removed and the cliff behind the natural removed. This removes the possibility of siege tank drop ship play as well as makes it very difficult for the terran to do a 3 base doom push due to reduced gas. The map now heavily encourages early-mid game timing pushes from the terran or a more vulture heavy style of play to punish the protoss before the protoss' macro gets out of hand. It's a difficult prediction but Jangbi should take this one.
Jangbi was 2-1 vs terran on the previous iteration of the map with his loss to Flash and wins over Bad TvPers Sea and Light. Where as bogus has pulled off convincing wins against Stats and By.Sun. But due to the changes to the map I predict that if Bogus can not win the game with a early-mid game push then jangbi will win.
Set 2: Rush < Neo Electric Circuit > Grape Neo Electric Circuit has gone unchanged. Grape has a 2-0 record on this map but only against zergs, Rush also has a 1-0 record but only against zerg. The PvT sample size on this map is also literally just 1 game, making this game very difficult to predict as both players have literally next to no showing in this match up. Grape's vT has never been inspiring and the only pedigree Rush has vP is beat Stats in his prelim matches to qualify for the ODT. I'm leaning towards Grape taking this one simply by virtue of having more broadcasted vT experience.
Set 3: Hydra < Gladiator > SoulKey Gladiator has a radial structure almost ensuring that the players will opt to scout cross map with their first overlord. The map has a very open center with ramps that allows very easy ways to hide zerglings for back stabs and surprise attacks. Hydra's vZ has been very shaky lately and even though the last two games of Soulkey's have also been loses, one was an awesome game vs Jaedong. Again this becomes a very difficult game to predict but expect speedling shenanigans. I'm leaning towards Soulkey taking this one.
Set 4: ZerO< New Sniper Ridge > Horang2 This could easily be the game of the night. Sniper Ridge has been readjusted for a more exposed third, but that wouldn't affect the state of PvZ till the late game if the zerg opts to go for expansions at the corner main/natural spots. Head to head Zero is 1:0 over Horang2 with a game on Neo Electric Circuit, and though his vP record seems bad at a glance, two of his losses were against Kal and Stork. Horang2's record vs Z has also been a 0-2 wipe this season but showed glimpses of brilliance in his first game against Flash in the playoffs. The map is more advantageous for the zerg due to the ability to stall protoss forces in the middle of the map with ramps and long travel distance to avoid being killed by the two base doom push from the protoss. Expecting a win by ZerO with a lurker contain or just straight out macro game from >=4 bases.
I predict Jangbi, Grape, Soulkey and Horang2 gogo! The Soulkey/ hydra match will be interesting. i have a feeling Jangbi will play really well even though Bogus is on a tear at the OSL.
On May 15 2012 15:45 Caihead wrote: Since no one's done one yet and it's only a few hours to the games I threw this one together, pm me if you want to add things or use your own thread.
This used to be pretty unthinkable for OSL Ro16. So sad to see BW in its state now. I can only hope for good games where you can see players actually practicing. But won't be surprised if game quality is more reminiscent of the ODTs.
On May 15 2012 15:45 Caihead wrote: Since no one's done one yet and it's only a few hours to the games I threw this one together, pm me if you want to add things or use your own thread.
This used to be pretty unthinkable for OSL Ro16. So sad to see BW in its state now. I can only hope for good games where you can see players actually practicing. But won't be surprised if game quality is more reminiscent of the ODTs.
Yea, I'm doing predictions to get some hype going, hope for some good games tonight, not sure if the map changes are taking effect already, writing predictions with them in mind.
Predictions: Due to new map changes which should take effect in the OSL as well, the previous predictions have to be radically changed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337537 Set 1: JangBi < Neo Ground Zero > Bogus This would be the game of the night if not for the new map changes. Due to the new changes to Neo Ground Zero, the third base gas has been removed and the cliff behind the natural removed. This removes the possibility of siege tank drop ship play as well as makes it very difficult for the terran to do a 3 base doom push due to reduced gas. The map now heavily encourages early-mid game timing pushes from the terran or a more vulture heavy style of play to punish the protoss before the protoss' macro gets out of hand. It's a difficult prediction but Jangbi should take this one.
Jangbi was 2-1 vs terran on the previous iteration of the map with his loss to Flash and wins over Bad TvPers Sea and Light. Where as bogus has pulled off convincing wins against Stats and By.Sun. But due to the changes to the map I predict that if Bogus can not win the game with a early-mid game push then jangbi will win.
Set 2: Rush < Neo Electric Circuit > Grape Neo Electric Circuit has gone unchanged. Grape has a 2-0 record on this map but only against zergs, Rush also has a 1-0 record but only against zerg. The PvT sample size on this map is also literally just 1 game, making this game very difficult to predict as both players have literally next to no showing in this match up. Grape's vT has never been inspiring and the only pedigree Rush has vP is beat Stats in his prelim matches to qualify for the ODT. I'm leaning towards Grape taking this one simply by virtue of having more broadcasted vT experience.
Set 3: Hydra < Gladiator > SoulKey Gladiator has a radial structure almost ensuring that the players will opt to scout cross map with their first overlord. The map has a very open center with ramps that allows very easy ways to hide zerglings for back stabs and surprise attacks. Hydra's vZ has been very shaky lately and even though the last two games of Soulkey's have also been loses, one was an awesome game vs Jaedong. Again this becomes a very difficult game to predict but expect speedling shenanigans. I'm leaning towards Soulkey taking this one.
Set 4: ZerO< New Sniper Ridge > Horang2 This could easily be the game of the night. Sniper Ridge has been readjusted for a more exposed third, but that wouldn't affect the state of PvZ till the late game if the zerg opts to go for expansions at the corner main/natural spots. Head to head Zero is 1:0 over Horang2 with a game on Neo Electric Circuit, and though his vP record seems bad at a glance, two of his losses were against Kal and Stork. Horang2's record vs Z has also been a 0-2 wipe this season but showed glimpses of brilliance in his first game against Flash in the playoffs. The map is more advantageous for the zerg due to the ability to stall protoss forces in the middle of the map with ramps and long travel distance to avoid being killed by the two base doom push from the protoss. Expecting a win by ZerO with a lurker contain or just straight out macro game from >=4 bases.
thanks Caihead, I enjoyed reading predictions. I think that Bogus, however, should be a favourite. And Rush will stomp Grape for sure (I guess I'm just afraid of terrans).
On May 15 2012 19:38 N.geNuity wrote: jangbi looks fucking tired. it's not 4:30 am for you jangbi!
so does bogus...this PL is really doing a number on them...*shakes fist at kespa and blizzard*
Yeah the constant shift in game focus must be really hard and they must be practicing a lot of hours with little rest. Still these guys have an amazing work ethic and even thou they look tired and they are practicing for two games, Im sure they have prepared and we will get awesome games!
On May 15 2012 19:59 marttorn wrote: Doritos! Fuck yeah!
Men in Black 3! Awww yeah.
Great play from Jangbi. Some masterful Reaver control there, except for that missed opportunity with that lucky clump of idle SCVs. And great bust at the end.
Nice to see Jangbi on top of his micro. His build, even scouted, seems to work fine against Rax Expand given superior micro. But he doesn't seem to be all that pumped like you'd expect from a OSL win. Maybe I'm just reading too much into things though.
Sigh, I guess I'll watch this since I've been having trouble logging in to Diablo III since three hours ago. Fuuuck. I should've just waited 'til a few days after to buy it. Blah. Go Jangbi.
Thank Flash it doesn't take 50 turret shots to kill a warp prism in sc2, this seemed unbeliavably hard for rush, despite his unscouted for forever 6' o clock.
Wow, Grape's macro in that game was pretty bad. At one time I think I saw he had like 60 supply and 4k minerals. Dude must've practiced SC2 a little too much.
Meh game overall. Thought Rush really should've pushed faster. And then Grape's lack of scouting after his huge lead was just inexcusable.
Ballsy to go for that many lings, and then to continue to make them. Can really come back and bite you in the ass if you dont deal sufficient damage. Anyways, all the right players won so im happy. See you guys tomorrow!
On May 15 2012 21:56 icystorage wrote: where are people watching? D: the link in the upper right corner directs me to a youtube vid about the group ceremonies
On May 15 2012 21:56 icystorage wrote: where are people watching? D: the link in the upper right corner directs me to a youtube vid about the group ceremonies
its over.
awwww =/ just came home from work, i think i might catch the last game. thanks!
so, i watched the first vod because is the only one available, when i saw the recomendation i though on maybe its fun, then i was greatly dissapointed, i mean come on, jangbi has done the same proxy in like 3/4 on his PvT in ground zero, and the game was not good at all, a year ago the game would have been voted between "watch if you have time" and "no", i guess im right at not watching live anymore, and it seems that the games not gonna be any better any time soon, it breaks my heart :/
On May 16 2012 00:34 KenNage wrote: so, i watched the first vod because is the only one available, when i saw the recomendation i though on maybe its fun, then i was greatly dissapointed, i mean come on, jangbi has done the same proxy in like 3/4 on his PvT in ground zero, and the game was not good at all, a year ago the game would have been voted between "watch if you have time" and "no", i guess im right at not watching live anymore, and it seems that the games not gonna be any better any time soon, it breaks my heart :/
Different times. Different standards. There used to be a time when a random PL game between Estro and WeMade Fox would have twice the posts in its LR thread as an OSL match today. Just be glad there are still BW being played at the top level. Because a year from now, it's basically VODs only when it comes to watching BW games.
Esportstv really dropping the ball right now, as games 2, 3, and 4 are still not uploaded yet. It is unfortunate that I had to go to sleep right after Jangbi vs Bogus.
On May 16 2012 09:42 eviltomahawk wrote: Esportstv really dropping the ball right now, as games 2, 3, and 4 are still not uploaded yet. It is unfortunate that I had to go to sleep right after Jangbi vs Bogus.
lol yeah. After 2+ weeks without games I was like "YEEAAAH OSL WOOO!" and then I see that the only game uploaded is Group A Jangbi vs Bogus (which was good).
On May 16 2012 09:42 eviltomahawk wrote: Esportstv really dropping the ball right now, as games 2, 3, and 4 are still not uploaded yet. It is unfortunate that I had to go to sleep right after Jangbi vs Bogus.
lol yeah. After 2+ weeks without games I was like "YEEAAAH OSL WOOO!" and then I see that the only game uploaded is Group A Jangbi vs Bogus (which was good).
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