EPT[SPL] Grand Final: SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 372
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
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Imbajoe
United States857 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:13 Imbajoe wrote: Does anyone remember which game the commentators commented on the Teamliquid signs? I has stepped away from my computer when it happened. CH vs Ssak? not too sure | ||
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vance
Thailand118 Posts
What happen If he use that Rax, build a deport to create a wall along will his bunker? Those zealots would not be able to surround the bunker. SCV can repair it and those tanks will be enough to stop the attack. He had 3 tanks at the moment the zealot train arrived and 3 more tanks ten seconds after that. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On April 11 2012 14:18 vance wrote: At 16:37, u can see Flash's lifted Rax at the center of the map. What happen If he use that Rax, build a deport to create a wall along will his bunker? Those zealots would not be able to surround the bunker. SCV can repair it and those tanks will be enough to stop the attack. He had 3 tanks at the moment the zealot train arrived and 3 more tanks ten seconds after that. flash didn't see the zealots until it was too late, so if he wanted to do that then he would have to have already had the rax in position. He needed to continuously rally tanks to keep up the attack, and the constant lifting and landing of the rax every time he moved out with tanks. Would he have had enough time to see the zealots after they got up the ramp, go back to his base and land a rax he had floating there (keep in mind he doesn't have a rax to spot zealots in the middle of the map now)? maybe, but it's a stretch. Even if he did make a wall with depot rax and bunker. he can't make it tight at the bottom of the rax, so bisu might have been able to micro his zealots perfectly in a single file line and still get a surround.. | ||
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gagazh
China10 Posts
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gagazh
China10 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On April 11 2012 10:12 VGhost wrote: One more thing - watching and now rewatching the game, I noticed Flash somehow got his gas stolen a second time. The first assimilator dies at 6:20-ish on the VOD (note: before Flash has expanded); the second one is started here at about 7:00. I can't fathom why Flash let this happen. The VOD suggests he was saving for the expansion which goes down about 7:45. This expansion was actually faster than Bisu's - famous Flash greed, to all appearances. He eventually gets a refinery at 9:00 - you can see on the minimap and just barely see the edge of the constructing SCV here. Even if Flash was planning to rax-expand with no gas at the beginning of the game, that still is a minimum delay of about 3:15+ in getting gas, two minutes of which were completely avoidable (refinery immediately after killing the first assimilator) and which can probably take about 70% of the blame for Flash's eventual loss, even if the game did go on for a while. As a result of his pressure through the middle, the second assimilator stays up until 10:50 when the second refinery does go down immediately: Flash doesn't have his second gas online until 9 minutes into the game! In contrast, Bisu's 3rd base is starting at 9:00 gametime (11:36 VOD - minimap again). On those kind of terms, the drop Flash managed was cute but he simply got out-economied (which possible justifies the CC-before-gas to attempt to stay even but possibly doesn't - on the other hand if the probe doesn't get in to drop the second assimilator that's a hugely different game.) Bisu was ahead on my reading from the early pressure but that second gas steal combined with Flash's particular decision-making (and a little blind counter luck to finish) put the game out of reach from about 8 minutes in. Hmm.. I suspect that Flash wanted to channel all his resources to building Marines, and expanding, that's why he didn't build the Refinery. Of course he still shouldn't have let his gas get stolen, but that's because Bisu hid his probe in Flash Natural, and Flash wasn't aware. He completely couldn't have seen the Probe when it was on its way back for a 2nd Gas Steal. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
 BUT BISU wins when it matters!!! | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 11 2012 14:55 gagazh wrote: is that Action's father? Its mafia boss | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:13 Imbajoe wrote: Does anyone remember which game the commentators commented on the Teamliquid signs? I has stepped away from my computer when it happened. I was holding the T!  | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
On April 08 2012 19:55 Motivate wrote: and you're basing this off the fact that i have zerg icon? set your own preconceived bias aside, i just don't get how people hype up tvt which is the slowest paced match up in the game. lol, how'd your foot taste buddy? Simply wonderful games. Oh so good | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 11 2012 15:37 TheGlassface wrote: lol, how'd your foot taste buddy? Simply wonderful games. Oh so good Although the irony in his name was almost as interesting | ||
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Imbajoe
United States857 Posts
Haha, that's awesome! | ||
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Iri
150 Posts
I feel like this demonstrates that Flash wasn't really as dominant as it seemed... the format having no ace match lent itself to him being able to steamroll lesser players without having to really test himself. He was extremely dominant, maybe still is, but he needed to prove it by beating other S-class players and he didn't get the chance. Hope they don't do that stupid crap again. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On April 11 2012 14:18 vance wrote: At 16:37, u can see Flash's lifted Rax at the center of the map. What happen If he use that Rax, build a deport to create a wall along will his bunker? Those zealots would not be able to surround the bunker. SCV can repair it and those tanks will be enough to stop the attack. He had 3 tanks at the moment the zealot train arrived and 3 more tanks ten seconds after that. You can't repair a building that is in construction. A supply depots which construction was just started wouldn't last more than 2 seconds which would be useless, and be a pure 100 minerals waste. Also Flash tried to bring back to his bases the units that were behind Bisu's main mineral line and those units died. Bisu had a lot of reinforcements coming from 8 gates, Flash would have never been able to hold those. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 11 2012 15:46 endy wrote: You can't repair a building that is in construction. A supply depots which construction was just started wouldn't last more than 2 seconds which would be useless, and be a pure 100 minerals waste. Also Flash tried to bring back to his bases the units that were behind Bisu's main mineral line and those units died. Bisu had a lot of reinforcements coming from 8 gates, Flash would have never been able to hold those. Exactly, a lot of people rushed to Flash's defense saying if he built vultures and mines instead of tanks he could have held. They forget that even if he held the first wave, he wouldn't have held the 2nd or the 3rd. If he didn't re-inforce the attack, Bisu would have had a 3 base 8 gate pump going, which Flash couldn't possibly hold anyway, and if he attacked, he would only have a couple of tanks and 3 vultures worth of mines to defend a 2 base 8 gate pump. Bisu had already rebuilt citadel and cybercore as well. Flash was just too far behind. | ||
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zenkicker
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On April 11 2012 16:00 zenkicker wrote: Will SKT finally go to Hawaii for vacation? Or are they going somewhere else? Indeed they're finally getting their Hawaii vacation :D I'm excited for the pics~ | ||
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