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ScaringKids
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal819 Posts
April 08 2012 22:41 GMT
#7121
This was my 1st Brood War i ever saw live, hope its not the last...
MC | NesTea | Jaedong | PartinG | Liquid'HerO | MvP | Flash | White-Ra | Polt | Squirtle |
ssj114
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Afghanistan461 Posts
April 08 2012 22:45 GMT
#7122
I must say, I'm amazed that Flash lost twice in one day. Amazed, but very pleased. Stopped watching the series after KTF levelled it at 2-2 as I was far too tired. Watching the ACE match as I type this now!

By the way, where's the formal documentation that Starcraft is dead? One more OSL and that's it?
Sandboxie + SUA + DEP, Windows Firewall + NAT Router
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
April 08 2012 22:47 GMT
#7123
On April 09 2012 06:53 elagrion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 04:59 goDrop_ wrote:
Think HoeJJa should fight again SKT in final match, he's form was rly high as we could see and flash wasnt in form at least
Map could be much better for zvp than tvp

Seriously, as a team coach would you risk putting Hoejja against Bisu?


His choice really was between Stats and Flash, and anything but letting Flash step up there would have been...well I don't even have a word.
On a map that's 11-3 (lol soO & CH) for Zerg after such a flawless display maybe, but really, c'mon.
なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
April 08 2012 22:50 GMT
#7124
On April 09 2012 02:06 konadora wrote:
this was us doing the TL shoutout

[image loading]

thanks to kespa, we got 3 rows of seats right smack in the middle. perfect for viewing :3

man, still getting nerd chills... i'll post pics tmr morning (i'm at a guesthouse right now and everyone's sleeping)

edit: btw i did a shoutout but it was too small...

anw did shoutouts to:
kiett
smix
ils
kiante
kipsate
mustaju
sayle
flamewheel
rekrul
hotbid
mrhoon

<3

kona i lub u

<3333
Writer:o
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
April 08 2012 22:52 GMT
#7125
On April 05 2012 17:18 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
We don't really need to discuss this any further. SKT will win and that's that.


Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
April 08 2012 23:04 GMT
#7126
Spectacular series.

Just wow.
May the BeSt man win.
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
April 08 2012 23:08 GMT
#7127
On April 09 2012 07:28 Release wrote:
Wow. Flash must feel like how Jaedong felt back in '09.


going 0-2 in finals means back to back OSL's, at least for JD

don't know about flash
CJ Entusman #58 | Gogogo Stats
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
April 08 2012 23:12 GMT
#7128
fucking amazing series. fantasy got to play flash and then holy fuck the last game was a lot more epic than I thought it would be. Well worth not sleeping until like 10:30 AM (just woke up now, 7 PM lolol).
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
ZavikZyke
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States382 Posts
April 08 2012 23:16 GMT
#7129
Congrats to SKT! They deserve the gold this year. We'll definitively get 1st next year
Hoejja is Bonjwa
Anomarad
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada565 Posts
April 08 2012 23:26 GMT
#7130
So many great games
Awesome finals overall, yay SKT :D

ssj114
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Afghanistan461 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 23:31:05
April 08 2012 23:27 GMT
#7131
In retrospect, Flash's incredible winning percentage hasn't come against top players on the big stage. Recent "Grand Slams" have been against relatively unknown and inferior players who "lucked out" to make it into the quarters, semis and final. This is a relatively weak Starcraft era we're in - aside from Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and Fantasy, I'm not convinced that there are any other "Super Grandmasters" around. It's just a real pity that this "big 4" aren't consistent enough to make it into the latter stages of the "Grand Slams" to face each other.

Anyway, I made the point that Flash lost to a "Super GM" on arguably the biggest Starcraft stage of all time, earlier in this thread, and argued that Flash cannot be considered the GOAT (particularly since he's only tied with NaDa for number of Grand Slams). Since then, he's in fact lost twice to separate "Super GMs" on the biggest stage, the latter loss perhaps the most important match of all time - the ACE game of what appears to be the final Proleague match of all time.

NaDa is still the GOAT in my eyes. He went through a period of absolute domination, slumped (perhaps related to the death of his Father), and showed why he's the GOAT to come back and crush the then World Number 1, sAviOr, in the "Year End Championships" with a proxy Factory and trademark Vulture micro that is still today what I consider the greatest attack I've ever seen:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/7479_NaDa_vs_sAviOr/vod

Anyway, sorry about the NaDa rant. I'm just shocked that no one seems to talk about the above match where NaDa made a proxy Factory and lifted it into sAviOr's base and did some incredible Vulture harass. The proxy Factory and Vulture harass were a joy to behold already, but the fact that he executed it to perfection on the big stage against an all-time great (playing at his peak) is just beyond incredible.

EDIT: for those who will comment that Flash beat Jaedong at least three times to win OSL/MSL finals, fair enough!
Sandboxie + SUA + DEP, Windows Firewall + NAT Router
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
April 08 2012 23:28 GMT
#7132
just watched the ace match :DDDDDD
GANDHISAUCE
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
April 08 2012 23:32 GMT
#7133
That was hands down the greatest series of starcraft games I have ever seen. I've never had this much emotion for BW since when Effort came back to win the OSL vs Flash. Simply unbelievable
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
April 08 2012 23:34 GMT
#7134
On April 09 2012 08:27 ssj114 wrote:
In retrospect, Flash's incredible winning percentage hasn't come against top players on the big stage. Recent "Grand Slams" have been against relatively unknown and inferior players who "lucked out" to make it into the quarters, semis and final. This is a relatively weak Starcraft era we're in - aside from Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and Fantasy, I'm not convinced that there are any other "Super Grandmasters" around. It's just a real pity that this "big 4" aren't consistent enough to make it into the latter stages of the "Grand Slams" to face each other.

Anyway, I made the point that Flash lost to a "Super GM" on arguably the biggest Starcraft stage of all time, earlier in this thread, and argued that Flash cannot be considered the GOAT (particularly since he's only tied with NaDa for number of Grand Slams). Since then, he's in fact lost twice to separate "Super GMs" on the biggest stage, the latter loss perhaps the most important match of all time - the ACE game of what appears to be the final Proleague match of all time.

NaDa is still the GOAT in my eyes. He went through a period of absolute domination, slumped (perhaps related to the death of his Father), and showed why he's the GOAT to come back and crush the then World Number 1, sAviOr, in the "Year End Championships" with a proxy Factory and trademark Vulture micro that is still today what I consider the greatest attack I've ever seen:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/7479_NaDa_vs_sAviOr/vod

Anyway, sorry about the NaDa rant. I'm just shocked that no one seems to talk about the above match where NaDa made a proxy Factory and lifted it into sAviOr's base and did some incredible Vulture harass. The proxy Factory and Vulture harass were a joy to behold already, but the fact that he executed it to perfection on the big stage against an all-time great (playing at his peak) is just beyond incredible.


I don't like most these players, especially those from CJ but saying BW doesn't have better players aside from the TBLS is ..
Let's just get to the names:

Leta
Horang2
Neo.G_Soulkey
Zero
Jangbi
Light(TvZ)
Jaehoon
Calm
Bogus
Best
Stats

These guys can snatch a BoX series off TBLS.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
April 08 2012 23:35 GMT
#7135
best series ever!

ridiculous to believe that the 1-2 punch of stats and FLASH went 0-3 in a GRAND finals.
T_T
seeing flash cry hurts
congratz skt
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 08 2012 23:45 GMT
#7136
On April 09 2012 08:35 jjhchsc2 wrote:
best series ever!

ridiculous to believe that the 1-2 punch of stats and FLASH went 0-3 in a GRAND finals.
T_T
seeing flash cry hurts
congratz skt

It hurts but it shows you that BW competition is not really dead, if all players are focused 100% on BW they can bring GREAT games. It was hard time with anticipation for unknown for players, they mixed BW and SC2 etc. Im so stoked for OSL after this finals, tbh i was expecting mediocre finals like 1 year ago, but this totally blown my mind. If OSL will be even close to that it will be awesome.

And its not really that Flash fucked up super hard or something its rather fact that Fantasy and Bisu played THAT good. It should be appreciated that there are some people who can show S-class games when it matters.
Stork[gm]
BritWrangler
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
April 08 2012 23:48 GMT
#7137
On April 09 2012 08:27 ssj114 wrote:
In retrospect, Flash's incredible winning percentage hasn't come against top players on the big stage. Recent "Grand Slams" have been against relatively unknown and inferior players who "lucked out" to make it into the quarters, semis and final. This is a relatively weak Starcraft era we're in - aside from Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and Fantasy, I'm not convinced that there are any other "Super Grandmasters" around. It's just a real pity that this "big 4" aren't consistent enough to make it into the latter stages of the "Grand Slams" to face each other.

Anyway, I made the point that Flash lost to a "Super GM" on arguably the biggest Starcraft stage of all time, earlier in this thread, and argued that Flash cannot be considered the GOAT (particularly since he's only tied with NaDa for number of Grand Slams). Since then, he's in fact lost twice to separate "Super GMs" on the biggest stage, the latter loss perhaps the most important match of all time - the ACE game of what appears to be the final Proleague match of all time.

NaDa is still the GOAT in my eyes. He went through a period of absolute domination, slumped (perhaps related to the death of his Father), and showed why he's the GOAT to come back and crush the then World Number 1, sAviOr, in the "Year End Championships" with a proxy Factory and trademark Vulture micro that is still today what I consider the greatest attack I've ever seen:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/7479_NaDa_vs_sAviOr/vod

Anyway, sorry about the NaDa rant. I'm just shocked that no one seems to talk about the above match where NaDa made a proxy Factory and lifted it into sAviOr's base and did some incredible Vulture harass. The proxy Factory and Vulture harass were a joy to behold already, but the fact that he executed it to perfection on the big stage against an all-time great (playing at his peak) is just beyond incredible.

EDIT: for those who will comment that Flash beat Jaedong at least three times to win OSL/MSL finals, fair enough!

People who know 10x more about BW than you ever will have cited flash as the best of all time.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
April 08 2012 23:54 GMT
#7138
Congrats to SKT. Tough match.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
April 08 2012 23:58 GMT
#7139
All 6 matchups played -- and one of the craziest ZvZs to date?

BW is magical.

If this is the end of proleague, at least it was a glorious one...
?
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 09 2012 00:10 GMT
#7140
I just hope this doesn't affect Flash's mentality too much. It would be a huge shame if his performance starts dropping and he starts slumping after these finals. I really looked forward to seeing him curb stomp the best of SKT1 last night, and though he played well, Bisu and Fantasy just played even better.

And I find it ironic that KT's wins came not from their Flash+Stats two-punch combo, but from their Zerg line. Good for Hoejja, CH, and Action.
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