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[SPL] PO KT Rolster vs CJ Entus Day 3 - Page 79

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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 20 2012 11:58 GMT
#1561
Someone fill me in. Flash cheesed Horang2?
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 12:00:19
March 20 2012 12:00 GMT
#1562
On March 20 2012 20:58 Xiphos wrote:
Someone fill me in. Flash cheesed Horang2?


Weird bio build, cutting SCVs.

edit : + great bunk of China
ॐ
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
March 20 2012 12:00 GMT
#1563
The fuck. Fuck this shit.

Deep down I knew KT was going to win but not like this -_-
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
March 20 2012 12:00 GMT
#1564
On March 20 2012 20:58 Xiphos wrote:
Someone fill me in. Flash cheesed Horang2?


+ Show Spoiler +
It really depends If you call it a 1 rax fe into 4 rax academy and factory is a cheese
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 12:02:38
March 20 2012 12:01 GMT
#1565
On March 20 2012 20:58 Xiphos wrote:
Someone fill me in. Flash cheesed Horang2?

4 rax 1 fac attack that hit right before Horang2 got his reaver out.
Writer:o
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
March 20 2012 12:02 GMT
#1566
On March 20 2012 21:00 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 20:58 Xiphos wrote:
Someone fill me in. Flash cheesed Horang2?


+ Show Spoiler +
It really depends If you call it a 1 rax fe into 4 rax academy and factory is a cheese

I call it a delicious Camembert.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
March 20 2012 12:02 GMT
#1567
On March 20 2012 21:00 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 20:58 Xiphos wrote:
Someone fill me in. Flash cheesed Horang2?


+ Show Spoiler +
It really depends If you call it a 1 rax fe into 4 rax academy and factory is a cheese

Maybe not in TvZ
웅진 멘쓰즈
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 12:04:50
March 20 2012 12:04 GMT
#1568
On March 20 2012 20:26 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 20:23 Caihead wrote:
On March 20 2012 20:19 chongu wrote:
On March 20 2012 20:10 Caihead wrote:
On March 20 2012 20:06 Lightwip wrote:
On March 20 2012 20:04 chongu wrote:
CJ. What happened to your clutchness?

What are you talking about? CJ continues their streak of clutch mediocrity into today!


CJ coaching is too well rounded imo, that's not necessarily a bad trait, it's just that CJ expects all of its star players to be able to handle any match up on any map. And many of them are indeed able to pull it off, but it's just not an efficient allocation of resources when other teams like Khan and Stars (which CJ was able to overcome) have map / race exclusive snipers. That's why it seems like they are not "clutch", it's because they are all trying to get the maximal score on every thing so they don't excel where they could. It's like trying to get every player to get an A on every subject when other teams are just asking one player to get an A+ on 1. It's a testament to how good their players are to always consistently make the playoffs.


Good point! 2 years ago I would have argued that CJ had the most matchup specific players. (e.g, Skyhigh, Movie, CH) A team with the most "A-class players" capable of sniping any S-class player. Now I don't even know what CJ is ;;



It's a strange situation though, because essentially it's also a waste of potential not to promote these players to be well rounded because if you consider the talent of these players, Hydra, Effort, Leta, movie, horang2 etc; they are all capable and some have won or participated in individual league finals. No one expects Hoejja or Crazy-Hydra or Action to make a deep individual league run precisely because they all have specific traits that may be very useful during team league, but CJ players will almost always make it deeper into individual leagues because of it.

Hydra made it almost solely based on ZvZ
Movie made it almost completely based on PvZ
As much as I like Effort, he was a fluke, but his strongest matchup was always ZvZ (imo - he just beat up on Kal a lot for ZvP)
Horang2 was only good at PvP, although he's improved a bit
Snow is... I don't even know about his PvT any more
Leta is fine

I think CJ is much more sniper-y than KT, if anything. KT knew that CJ wasn't going to win anything once they got rid of the two Zergs, so good for them.



Of the players on CJ, the only ones playing at or near their best are Leta and Horang2. There was once a time when Hydra was the best zerg in the world with the best ZvZ and strong ZvP. There was once a time when Effort was S-Class. Movie had the 2nd best PvZ in the world. Snow was a well-rounded toss with very strong PvT. None of that is true anymore. They are all sucking at the same time. Too bad they they made the playoffs instead of Woongjin.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 20 2012 12:04 GMT
#1569
I just need to ask this question for KT fans

Why do Lefty play so good during Play-offs?

and on T1, we have Soo.

Mediocre zergs, at most times, play really really well during Play-Offs. lol
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 12:10:05
March 20 2012 12:07 GMT
#1570
[image loading]
Hoejja's vT record going into that match against Leta, lol


The magic of the playoffs, when the KT Zergs go saiyan mode


On March 20 2012 21:00 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 20:58 Xiphos wrote:
Someone fill me in. Flash cheesed Horang2?


+ Show Spoiler +
It really depends If you call it a 1 rax fe into 4 rax academy and factory is a cheese


Let's just say I'd like a lot of it on my pizza
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
March 20 2012 12:08 GMT
#1571
On March 20 2012 21:04 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I just need to ask this question for KT fans

Why do Lefty play so good during Play-offs?

and on T1, we have Soo.

Mediocre zergs, at most times, play really really well during Play-Offs. lol


Interesting question, however for me to give an opinion about lefty crazy buffs during play off is really bad . Wait for the interview hoejja will answer your questions ^^.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3483 Posts
March 20 2012 12:09 GMT
#1572
Holy hell... KT SSJ O_O
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
March 20 2012 12:10 GMT
#1573
On March 20 2012 21:04 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I just need to ask this question for KT fans

Why do Lefty play so good during Play-offs?

and on T1, we have Soo.

Mediocre zergs, at most times, play really really well during Play-Offs. lol


playoffs are magical for some reason, turns skyhigh from a TvT sniper to a motherfucking boss.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
March 20 2012 12:12 GMT
#1574
GG WP CJ! were some good games!

I'm so proud of my team, 4-0 sweap! Khan, you're up next :D
KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
March 20 2012 12:13 GMT
#1575
Oh god, CJ's top 4 players, 3/4 in favorable matchups, all losing. This is what happens when you lose your S-class status. Why is Leta not clutch anymore? What dafuq happened to hydra?
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
March 20 2012 12:14 GMT
#1576
I felt like, KT is the deepest team this season...other than Khan.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 12:25:31
March 20 2012 12:19 GMT
#1577
Indeed, I must agree, just look at CJ lineup. Most of these guys showed spectacular games.
The skill of the key CJ players is higher than KT's. And KT didn't even need Stats today.
This is a coaching issue most definitely, if a team can't perform and prepare, even the champions won't help.

The only serious opponent I see for KT in their current form is SKT1.
So here we are again. SKT1 and KT rivalry, where Flash plays the key role.

If KT wins the finals again, this definitely will not boost the popularity of Broodwar. The same goes for another Flash OSL trophy.
There should always be a change, competition and continuous renewal. I'm tired of KT and Flash, I'm tired of this circle of wins and clutch victories, as if they are the only team who wants to win.
But most of all, I'm tired of lack of confidence, that anyone can put up a fight to KT and Flash.
I need to see the desire for victory in other teams. Cj performed as if they don't give a big fuck. The quality of their games is a proof, and it is very sad for a bw fan.

Domination is boredom and degradation. Competition is fun and beauty.

Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
March 20 2012 12:19 GMT
#1578
kt has mediocre a class players who can snipe s class players in their best matchup.
khan has good a class player who can win against mediocre a class players.
should be an interesting match, where all depends on coaches. and since khans coach is january i think kt will take it easily.
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
March 20 2012 12:21 GMT
#1579
On March 20 2012 20:04 chongu wrote:
CJ. What happened to your clutchness?

Number of ZvZ 3 days of Bo7s: 6
Number of ZvZ in which a CJ zerg won: 1


+ Show Spoiler +
Action > Effort
Hoejja > Hydra
Hoejja > Effort
CH < Hero
Action > Effort
CH > Hydra


Nothing happened to their clutchness, apparently.

If something did happen, u ll imagine they would have put up a better fight in day 3
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 12:27:15
March 20 2012 12:23 GMT
#1580
On March 20 2012 21:19 letian wrote:
Indeed, I must agree, just look at CJ lineup. Most of these guys showed spectacular games.
The skill of the key CJ players is higher than KT's. And KT didn't even need Stats today.
This is a coaching issue most definitely, if a team can't perform and prepare, even the champions won't help.

The only serious opponent I see for KT in their current form is SKT1.
So here we are again. SKT1 and KT rivalry, where Flash plays the key role.

If KT wins the finals again, this definitely will not boost the popularity of Broodwar. The same goes for another Flash OSL trophy.
There should always be a change, competition and continuous renewal. I'm tired of KT and Flash, I'm tired of this circle of wins and clutch victories, as if they are the only team who wants to win. I need to see the desire for victory in other teams. Cj performed as if they don't give a big fuck. The quality of their games is a proof, and it is very sad for a bw fan.


I see that you have change your allegiance from Hwazeung Oz to Samsung khan good choice in my opinion. Saying CJ doesn't give up a big !@#$ is really childish because what do you know about the pressure in playing for a big game . What if you prepared everything and yet your opponent still plays better than you and got a little lucky ? . Look I see you saying same thing about T8 and now you are turning all your hatred on cj ? .

Seriously it's like saying phil mickelson doesn't give a big damn about him screwing his tee off in to the forest in a play off and that the same sentiments does apply to CJ players not giving a damn about their game . They play this game 24/7 all for the moment like this to bring their team to better standing and a better future and also to make themselves a better player . I don't think it's right to just label cj as some team that is just there for other team to be a stepping stone .

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
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