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On March 19 2012 12:51 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:28 Turbovolver wrote:
Well depends on the mistake. Hero shouldn't be trivialised, CH was lucky he even tried to scout a bit of the way towards the main, Hero specifically planned for his opponent to scout the natural only (see interview), and CH effectively did that.
On the other hand, Stats was just bad. But that's stats. He's overrated as hell. We all know that. What was weird is that CH's ovie didn't move towards another base right after checking the natural, it went in the main, but not far enough, hence the discussion. Agree on Stats' mistake, even when I offrace TvP at D levels I rarely see Protoss sending whole groups of probes exactly at the intersection of mines and goons... It looks like he totally lost control, but usually Stats isn't the kind of player who chokes in important games, so it was a little surprising from him. Wooki could have won easily by canceling nex, and adding one can. I guess that playing the last hope game for the team + facing an unusual all in was too much for a rookie, so yeah we can say that the better player won. Hydra was just super lucky that Wooki didn't go forge first because he pulled drones even before seeing the 11 nex. I'm not cheering for either team and the games did leave me greatly disappointed. Thanks Tiger toss for game 3 at least !
I don't think going Forge earlier would have mattered that much.
Hydra's drones got to the ramp early, and had to wait for a while for Wooki to put down his cannon. Even if Wooki had gone cannon first, i believe that Hydra''s drones would have made it on time to cancel it.
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big fights between kt and cj fans
does anyone have a .gif of the gosu mine from yesterday?
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On March 19 2012 05:47 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:57 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:43 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:28 Skelephile wrote:On March 18 2012 14:23 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:21 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:18 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:16 doothegee wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 gngfn wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 Vuk_91 wrote:
I consider this to be the best series of the season...What do you guys think? That you're brain-damaged? why mad How can this be the best series of the season unless you are just here to incite drama between the players, even talking about series' where flash lost the game vs Dear was much better and that was an overall better series where the losers didn't make ridiculously large mistakes like in this one. The one where Flash cancelled all his turrents for no reason? A ridiculously large mistake, one might even say? 3>1? And it was a calculated mistake, don't discredit dear's play, i already posted against that in the STX vs KT thread dont need to retread waters. CH's scouting fail, Stats' mine fail even though he saw the mines being planted, Wooki not cancelling the nexus and making probes rather than adding a cannon, these are ridiculously large mistakes. shut up ur obnoxious User was warned for this post I'm not discrediting CJ here, I'm discrediting my own team's play because I'm able to recognize that they are just straight up mistakes. CJ won but their good traits in the games are completely over shadowed by the huge blunders made by the loser. No one is even going to talk about how Leta did drop ship vulture mine and avoided it being scouted, because the focal point is just Stats' huge mistake of reacting to the drop (look at how he engaged it, he didn't even try to spread his dragoons to clear mines like any progamer knows to, and he SEES the mines being planted). Competitiveness is what drives any competitive sport. As a <x> fan its completely pointless to see him roll over someone who just makes mistakes all game, what does that prove? Look at Bogus vs Stats, Roro vs Piano, look at Jangbi vs Flash and Fantasy last season, those were great games / series' because the loser was competitive and pushed the other person to be even better. If you want BW to actually have credibility as an Esport you would wish for more competitive play, no one is going to invest into a sport or team when people are playing like anyone they can find from the amatuer pool. On March 18 2012 16:03 Diader wrote:
First gloating is sociopathic, and now liking today's games is killing BW? You've never, ever derived entertainment from watching someone's self-own? Not a single time, in anything, not just StarCraft?
Hell, maybe todays games will help BW. Maybe some people in Korea will post some .gifs or videos of that mine daebak on their Facebooks, and they'll have friends that used to love BW but haven't watched in a while that see it, say "DAAAAMN!", get interested again, and watch the rest of the playoffs and next season.
It's not like every single match week in and week out is now terrible. It was a day of fails, and it's perfectly okay to find that entertaining. On March 18 2012 23:30 ffreakk wrote:
You are misinterpreting his post.
He clearly imply "I need to shit on someone on a completely irrelevant issue based on completely warped Logic because my favourite team/player just lost". Leave the man alone <3 On March 18 2012 14:36 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:24 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:22 LittLeLives wrote:On March 18 2012 14:21 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:18 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:16 doothegee wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 gngfn wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 Vuk_91 wrote:
I consider this to be the best series of the season...What do you guys think? That you're brain-damaged? why mad How can this be the best series of the season unless you are just here to incite drama between the players, even talking about series' where flash lost the game vs Dear was much better and that was an overall better series where the losers didn't make ridiculously large mistakes like in this one. The one where Flash cancelled all his turrents for no reason? A ridiculously large mistake, one might even say? Really now? Yes or no, did Flash made a ridiculously large mistake that game? Did our KT fan here just say that this series sucked and that Dear vs Flash was better because these games were just decided by large mistakes? I should take my own advice, logic and KT fans just doesn't mix. Seriously? Does it matter what fan I am for saying that these are large mistakes? Flash had nearly perfect scouting information and he made a decision and credit goes to Dear for analyzing flash's play and scouting pattern. He scanned Dear's main twice, saw the pylon wall at the third as well as an observer. CH / stats / wooki made straight up MISTAKES given the information they could have / should have gotten that are uncharacteristic of progamers, it doesn't matter what team / player makes them. CH didn't scout enough to see the main creep (he did see the extended creep and didn't even react to it), he went straight to the main and not the natural, that's just a mistake. Stats saw mines being planted in his main, he still ran dragoons into it with out spreading, that's just a mistake, I don't defend that if its stats doing it or stork doing it or flash doing it. Wooki didn't cancel a nexus and he continued to make probes even after he saw that there were more zerglings on the field and didn't make a second cannon, that's a mistake. I already said that this series is a fun one but I watch proleague games because I expect a level of competitiveness, and I want to see some actual strategy and back and forth, the losers of the last 3 games made mistakes that you would expect from people who aren't progamers. Stop insulting other fans, I don't start an argument with you then say all khan fans are <x> for no apparent reason. Why am I even responding when you guys are clearly not even reading my posts and just want to start fights. Read through this conversation, where am I shitting on other players for mistakes that KT players made. TL was a better community than this, there goes me trying to post content and argue points on TL. You're making the rest of the community look bad. I'm out of here. Eh in the off chance that you are sincere about what you write, ima spell it out for you. *sigh* You are shitting on KT players, also on CJ's victory today. Saying "The opponents sucked" trivialises the victor's victory. After all, there's no glory in beating noobs, or people that play like them. CJ's victory today was hard-fought, and only possible because they came well-prepared. Your last text-wall whine coincidentally was after Flash n KT lost the last time. Like it or not, your KT tag and your timing for these posts make it difficult to defend your position.
Thanks for not responding to any points I actually made in my post. Every point you made to attack me has already been addressed by myself in this thread in this very conversation I linked. If you honestly consider that what I wrote was just whine, both in this thread and in the STX vs KT thread, then I will just get off the LR threads because it's completely pointless talking with you. I will just keep myself to posting content in general. Good day.
And don't attack KT fans because of some personal disagreement with me either, what possible sense does that make.
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On March 19 2012 07:31 Neo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:57 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:43 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:28 Skelephile wrote:On March 18 2012 14:23 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:21 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:18 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:16 doothegee wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 gngfn wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 Vuk_91 wrote:
I consider this to be the best series of the season...What do you guys think? That you're brain-damaged? why mad How can this be the best series of the season unless you are just here to incite drama between the players, even talking about series' where flash lost the game vs Dear was much better and that was an overall better series where the losers didn't make ridiculously large mistakes like in this one. The one where Flash cancelled all his turrents for no reason? A ridiculously large mistake, one might even say? 3>1? And it was a calculated mistake, don't discredit dear's play, i already posted against that in the STX vs KT thread dont need to retread waters. CH's scouting fail, Stats' mine fail even though he saw the mines being planted, Wooki not cancelling the nexus and making probes rather than adding a cannon, these are ridiculously large mistakes. shut up ur obnoxious User was warned for this post I'm not discrediting CJ here, I'm discrediting my own team's play because I'm able to recognize that they are just straight up mistakes. CJ won but their good traits in the games are completely over shadowed by the huge blunders made by the loser. No one is even going to talk about how Leta did drop ship vulture mine and avoided it being scouted, because the focal point is just Stats' huge mistake of reacting to the drop (look at how he engaged it, he didn't even try to spread his dragoons to clear mines like any progamer knows to, and he SEES the mines being planted). Competitiveness is what drives any competitive sport. As a <x> fan its completely pointless to see him roll over someone who just makes mistakes all game, what does that prove? Look at Bogus vs Stats, Roro vs Piano, look at Jangbi vs Flash and Fantasy last season, those were great games / series' because the loser was competitive and pushed the other person to be even better. If you want BW to actually have credibility as an Esport you would wish for more competitive play, no one is going to invest into a sport or team when people are playing like anyone they can find from the amatuer pool. On March 18 2012 16:03 Diader wrote:
First gloating is sociopathic, and now liking today's games is killing BW? You've never, ever derived entertainment from watching someone's self-own? Not a single time, in anything, not just StarCraft?
Hell, maybe todays games will help BW. Maybe some people in Korea will post some .gifs or videos of that mine daebak on their Facebooks, and they'll have friends that used to love BW but haven't watched in a while that see it, say "DAAAAMN!", get interested again, and watch the rest of the playoffs and next season.
It's not like every single match week in and week out is now terrible. It was a day of fails, and it's perfectly okay to find that entertaining. On March 18 2012 23:30 ffreakk wrote:
You are misinterpreting his post.
He clearly imply "I need to shit on someone on a completely irrelevant issue based on completely warped Logic because my favourite team/player just lost". Leave the man alone <3 On March 18 2012 14:36 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:24 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:22 LittLeLives wrote:On March 18 2012 14:21 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:18 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:16 doothegee wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 gngfn wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 Vuk_91 wrote:
I consider this to be the best series of the season...What do you guys think? That you're brain-damaged? why mad How can this be the best series of the season unless you are just here to incite drama between the players, even talking about series' where flash lost the game vs Dear was much better and that was an overall better series where the losers didn't make ridiculously large mistakes like in this one. The one where Flash cancelled all his turrents for no reason? A ridiculously large mistake, one might even say? Really now? Yes or no, did Flash made a ridiculously large mistake that game? Did our KT fan here just say that this series sucked and that Dear vs Flash was better because these games were just decided by large mistakes? I should take my own advice, logic and KT fans just doesn't mix. Seriously? Does it matter what fan I am for saying that these are large mistakes? Flash had nearly perfect scouting information and he made a decision and credit goes to Dear for analyzing flash's play and scouting pattern. He scanned Dear's main twice, saw the pylon wall at the third as well as an observer. CH / stats / wooki made straight up MISTAKES given the information they could have / should have gotten that are uncharacteristic of progamers, it doesn't matter what team / player makes them. CH didn't scout enough to see the main creep (he did see the extended creep and didn't even react to it), he went straight to the main and not the natural, that's just a mistake. Stats saw mines being planted in his main, he still ran dragoons into it with out spreading, that's just a mistake, I don't defend that if its stats doing it or stork doing it or flash doing it. Wooki didn't cancel a nexus and he continued to make probes even after he saw that there were more zerglings on the field and didn't make a second cannon, that's a mistake. I already said that this series is a fun one but I watch proleague games because I expect a level of competitiveness, and I want to see some actual strategy and back and forth, the losers of the last 3 games made mistakes that you would expect from people who aren't progamers. Stop insulting other fans, I don't start an argument with you then say all khan fans are <x> for no apparent reason. Why am I even responding when you guys are clearly not even reading my posts and just want to start fights. Read through this conversation, where am I shitting on other players for mistakes that KT players made. TL was a better community than this, there goes me trying to post content and argue points on TL. You're making the rest of the community look bad. I'm out of here. It's called the human factor. Even FlaSh will have his days where his game isn't up to his own standards (even Nal_rA managed to take a game off of him when he was on top of the world in practice). Not everyone can play a perfect game 100% of the time and SlayerS_`BoxeR` stated that years ago. I am sorry the games were dissappointing to you, but you cannot expect progamers to not make mistakes (yes even major ones). Playing in a booth in front of a hypercharged audience in the post season is much more riggerous than just normal season in ProLeague. You don't see me getting into rage mode when Stork, JangBi, TurN, etc lose their games in a dissappointing manner (and boy those days suck).
I'm not angry at the players beyond pointing out the mistakes, I'm responding to people insulting me and KT fans by extension for no reason. Read through the conversation.
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On March 19 2012 10:16 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:57 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:43 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:28 Skelephile wrote:On March 18 2012 14:23 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:21 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:18 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:16 doothegee wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 gngfn wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 Vuk_91 wrote:
I consider this to be the best series of the season...What do you guys think? That you're brain-damaged? why mad How can this be the best series of the season unless you are just here to incite drama between the players, even talking about series' where flash lost the game vs Dear was much better and that was an overall better series where the losers didn't make ridiculously large mistakes like in this one. The one where Flash cancelled all his turrents for no reason? A ridiculously large mistake, one might even say? 3>1? And it was a calculated mistake, don't discredit dear's play, i already posted against that in the STX vs KT thread dont need to retread waters. CH's scouting fail, Stats' mine fail even though he saw the mines being planted, Wooki not cancelling the nexus and making probes rather than adding a cannon, these are ridiculously large mistakes. shut up ur obnoxious User was warned for this post I'm not discrediting CJ here, I'm discrediting my own team's play because I'm able to recognize that they are just straight up mistakes. CJ won but their good traits in the games are completely over shadowed by the huge blunders made by the loser. No one is even going to talk about how Leta did drop ship vulture mine and avoided it being scouted, because the focal point is just Stats' huge mistake of reacting to the drop (look at how he engaged it, he didn't even try to spread his dragoons to clear mines like any progamer knows to, and he SEES the mines being planted). Competitiveness is what drives any competitive sport. As a <x> fan its completely pointless to see him roll over someone who just makes mistakes all game, what does that prove? Look at Bogus vs Stats, Roro vs Piano, look at Jangbi vs Flash and Fantasy last season, those were great games / series' because the loser was competitive and pushed the other person to be even better. If you want BW to actually have credibility as an Esport you would wish for more competitive play, no one is going to invest into a sport or team when people are playing like anyone they can find from the amatuer pool. On March 18 2012 16:03 Diader wrote:
First gloating is sociopathic, and now liking today's games is killing BW? You've never, ever derived entertainment from watching someone's self-own? Not a single time, in anything, not just StarCraft?
Hell, maybe todays games will help BW. Maybe some people in Korea will post some .gifs or videos of that mine daebak on their Facebooks, and they'll have friends that used to love BW but haven't watched in a while that see it, say "DAAAAMN!", get interested again, and watch the rest of the playoffs and next season.
It's not like every single match week in and week out is now terrible. It was a day of fails, and it's perfectly okay to find that entertaining. On March 18 2012 23:30 ffreakk wrote:
You are misinterpreting his post.
He clearly imply "I need to shit on someone on a completely irrelevant issue based on completely warped Logic because my favourite team/player just lost". Leave the man alone <3 On March 18 2012 14:36 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:24 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:22 LittLeLives wrote:On March 18 2012 14:21 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:18 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:16 doothegee wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 gngfn wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 Vuk_91 wrote:
I consider this to be the best series of the season...What do you guys think? That you're brain-damaged? why mad How can this be the best series of the season unless you are just here to incite drama between the players, even talking about series' where flash lost the game vs Dear was much better and that was an overall better series where the losers didn't make ridiculously large mistakes like in this one. The one where Flash cancelled all his turrents for no reason? A ridiculously large mistake, one might even say? Really now? Yes or no, did Flash made a ridiculously large mistake that game? Did our KT fan here just say that this series sucked and that Dear vs Flash was better because these games were just decided by large mistakes? I should take my own advice, logic and KT fans just doesn't mix. Seriously? Does it matter what fan I am for saying that these are large mistakes? Flash had nearly perfect scouting information and he made a decision and credit goes to Dear for analyzing flash's play and scouting pattern. He scanned Dear's main twice, saw the pylon wall at the third as well as an observer. CH / stats / wooki made straight up MISTAKES given the information they could have / should have gotten that are uncharacteristic of progamers, it doesn't matter what team / player makes them. CH didn't scout enough to see the main creep (he did see the extended creep and didn't even react to it), he went straight to the main and not the natural, that's just a mistake. Stats saw mines being planted in his main, he still ran dragoons into it with out spreading, that's just a mistake, I don't defend that if its stats doing it or stork doing it or flash doing it. Wooki didn't cancel a nexus and he continued to make probes even after he saw that there were more zerglings on the field and didn't make a second cannon, that's a mistake. I already said that this series is a fun one but I watch proleague games because I expect a level of competitiveness, and I want to see some actual strategy and back and forth, the losers of the last 3 games made mistakes that you would expect from people who aren't progamers. Stop insulting other fans, I don't start an argument with you then say all khan fans are <x> for no apparent reason. Why am I even responding when you guys are clearly not even reading my posts and just want to start fights. Read through this conversation, where am I shitting on other players for mistakes that KT players made. TL was a better community than this, there goes me trying to post content and argue points on TL. You're making the rest of the community look bad. I'm out of here. I dunno but old Flash would have let those turrets go up. Its really only a second of mining time for such a big risk. He used play blind and get acad much later and let the turrets go up, now he gets scans earlier but cancels turrets and relies on mines to defend against DT's instead of pumping pure tanks from 2 facts. I figure he believes its much easier to play reactive this way. I think Flash's old style was much more suitable for him. Hes using the Fantasy style of 1 machine shop 2 fact get 3rd, but he seems to get destroyed by 3rd denial timings because hes not Fantasy. I think he would be better off doing the blind safe Flash build with turrets and pure tanks to 3rd. The reason he doesn't do it is obviously because Protoss mass expand after seeing it now, where as having a few vultures prevents that somewhat. But Flash has such good late-game hes better off anyway even with the disadvantage. I'm sure hes just experimenting.
Strange you would bring up discussion about this again. I've done spreadsheets of flash's win / lose by build order, match length, and year vs protoss as well as the same for bisu / stork, it makes sense following the meta trend to do what he did, or at least it's one of the plausible variants with a good win ratio. It was a calculated risk and Dear knew exactly what flash's possible reactions and scan patterns would be and he won because of it. It was going to do damage regardless since it was a speed shuttle but the canceling of turrets made it even more devastating.
For example: % of Bisu/ Stork in PvT having a shuttle reaver after an observer and third has been put down (pylon wall and observer seen by flash as well as scanned twice in the main) in 2011 is something like <10%. % of PvT that have carriers at that point with those criteria is literally 0. % of DT rushes at that point with a third out is also zero.
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On March 19 2012 13:58 ffreakk wrote:
Hydra's drones got to the ramp early, and had to wait for a while for Wooki to put down his cannon. Even if Wooki had gone cannon first, i believe that Hydra''s drones would have made it on time to cancel it.
Yeah that was so pimp. I'm like "what's five drones gonna do to an already decently built forge or completed pylo.... ohhhh!"
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On March 19 2012 10:33 Thermia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 05:47 ffreakk wrote:On March 19 2012 04:57 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:43 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:28 Skelephile wrote:On March 18 2012 14:23 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:21 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:18 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:16 doothegee wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 gngfn wrote:
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That you're brain-damaged? why mad How can this be the best series of the season unless you are just here to incite drama between the players, even talking about series' where flash lost the game vs Dear was much better and that was an overall better series where the losers didn't make ridiculously large mistakes like in this one. The one where Flash cancelled all his turrents for no reason? A ridiculously large mistake, one might even say? 3>1? And it was a calculated mistake, don't discredit dear's play, i already posted against that in the STX vs KT thread dont need to retread waters. CH's scouting fail, Stats' mine fail even though he saw the mines being planted, Wooki not cancelling the nexus and making probes rather than adding a cannon, these are ridiculously large mistakes. shut up ur obnoxious User was warned for this post I'm not discrediting CJ here, I'm discrediting my own team's play because I'm able to recognize that they are just straight up mistakes. CJ won but their good traits in the games are completely over shadowed by the huge blunders made by the loser. No one is even going to talk about how Leta did drop ship vulture mine and avoided it being scouted, because the focal point is just Stats' huge mistake of reacting to the drop (look at how he engaged it, he didn't even try to spread his dragoons to clear mines like any progamer knows to, and he SEES the mines being planted). Competitiveness is what drives any competitive sport. As a <x> fan its completely pointless to see him roll over someone who just makes mistakes all game, what does that prove? Look at Bogus vs Stats, Roro vs Piano, look at Jangbi vs Flash and Fantasy last season, those were great games / series' because the loser was competitive and pushed the other person to be even better. If you want BW to actually have credibility as an Esport you would wish for more competitive play, no one is going to invest into a sport or team when people are playing like anyone they can find from the amatuer pool. On March 18 2012 16:03 Diader wrote:
First gloating is sociopathic, and now liking today's games is killing BW? You've never, ever derived entertainment from watching someone's self-own? Not a single time, in anything, not just StarCraft?
Hell, maybe todays games will help BW. Maybe some people in Korea will post some .gifs or videos of that mine daebak on their Facebooks, and they'll have friends that used to love BW but haven't watched in a while that see it, say "DAAAAMN!", get interested again, and watch the rest of the playoffs and next season.
It's not like every single match week in and week out is now terrible. It was a day of fails, and it's perfectly okay to find that entertaining. On March 18 2012 23:30 ffreakk wrote:
You are misinterpreting his post.
He clearly imply "I need to shit on someone on a completely irrelevant issue based on completely warped Logic because my favourite team/player just lost". Leave the man alone <3 On March 18 2012 14:36 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:24 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:22 LittLeLives wrote:On March 18 2012 14:21 Turbovolver wrote:On March 18 2012 14:18 Caihead wrote:On March 18 2012 14:16 doothegee wrote:On March 18 2012 14:14 gngfn wrote:
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That you're brain-damaged? why mad How can this be the best series of the season unless you are just here to incite drama between the players, even talking about series' where flash lost the game vs Dear was much better and that was an overall better series where the losers didn't make ridiculously large mistakes like in this one. The one where Flash cancelled all his turrents for no reason? A ridiculously large mistake, one might even say? Really now? Yes or no, did Flash made a ridiculously large mistake that game? Did our KT fan here just say that this series sucked and that Dear vs Flash was better because these games were just decided by large mistakes? I should take my own advice, logic and KT fans just doesn't mix. Seriously? Does it matter what fan I am for saying that these are large mistakes? Flash had nearly perfect scouting information and he made a decision and credit goes to Dear for analyzing flash's play and scouting pattern. He scanned Dear's main twice, saw the pylon wall at the third as well as an observer. CH / stats / wooki made straight up MISTAKES given the information they could have / should have gotten that are uncharacteristic of progamers, it doesn't matter what team / player makes them. CH didn't scout enough to see the main creep (he did see the extended creep and didn't even react to it), he went straight to the main and not the natural, that's just a mistake. Stats saw mines being planted in his main, he still ran dragoons into it with out spreading, that's just a mistake, I don't defend that if its stats doing it or stork doing it or flash doing it. Wooki didn't cancel a nexus and he continued to make probes even after he saw that there were more zerglings on the field and didn't make a second cannon, that's a mistake. I already said that this series is a fun one but I watch proleague games because I expect a level of competitiveness, and I want to see some actual strategy and back and forth, the losers of the last 3 games made mistakes that you would expect from people who aren't progamers. Stop insulting other fans, I don't start an argument with you then say all khan fans are <x> for no apparent reason. Why am I even responding when you guys are clearly not even reading my posts and just want to start fights. Read through this conversation, where am I shitting on other players for mistakes that KT players made. TL was a better community than this, there goes me trying to post content and argue points on TL. You're making the rest of the community look bad. I'm out of here. Eh in the off chance that you are sincere about what you write, ima spell it out for you. *sigh* You are shitting on KT players, also on CJ's victory today. Saying "The opponents sucked" trivialises the victor's victory. After all, there's no glory in beating noobs, or people that play like them. CJ's victory today was hard-fought, and only possible because they came well-prepared. Your last text-wall whine coincidentally was after Flash n KT lost the last time. Like it or not, your KT tag and your timing for these posts make it difficult to defend your position. It's now considered "shitting on" players to say that they made some pretty bad mistakes (that everyone acknowledges were huge mistakes)?
Yes, it's also shitting on CJ after I complimented Leta's vulture mine drop ship that no one is even talking about because of people just remembering the mistakes that I highlighted which was exactly the point of my post. /logic
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On March 19 2012 14:13 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:58 ffreakk wrote:
Hydra's drones got to the ramp early, and had to wait for a while for Wooki to put down his cannon. Even if Wooki had gone cannon first, i believe that Hydra''s drones would have made it on time to cancel it. Yeah that was so pimp. I'm like "what's five drones gonna do to an already decently built forge or completed pylo.... ohhhh!"
I wish that when he did that, he just popped his collar up, take his hands off the keyboard, and crack his knuckles.
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On March 19 2012 15:06 supsun wrote:
When's day 3
Tomorrow
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On March 19 2012 13:58 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:51 endy wrote:On March 19 2012 12:28 Turbovolver wrote:
Well depends on the mistake. Hero shouldn't be trivialised, CH was lucky he even tried to scout a bit of the way towards the main, Hero specifically planned for his opponent to scout the natural only (see interview), and CH effectively did that.
On the other hand, Stats was just bad. But that's stats. He's overrated as hell. We all know that. What was weird is that CH's ovie didn't move towards another base right after checking the natural, it went in the main, but not far enough, hence the discussion. Agree on Stats' mistake, even when I offrace TvP at D levels I rarely see Protoss sending whole groups of probes exactly at the intersection of mines and goons... It looks like he totally lost control, but usually Stats isn't the kind of player who chokes in important games, so it was a little surprising from him. Wooki could have won easily by canceling nex, and adding one can. I guess that playing the last hope game for the team + facing an unusual all in was too much for a rookie, so yeah we can say that the better player won. Hydra was just super lucky that Wooki didn't go forge first because he pulled drones even before seeing the 11 nex. I'm not cheering for either team and the games did leave me greatly disappointed. Thanks Tiger toss for game 3 at least ! I don't think going Forge earlier would have mattered that much. Hydra's drones got to the ramp early, and had to wait for a while for Wooki to put down his cannon. Even if Wooki had gone cannon first, i believe that Hydra''s drones would have made it on time to cancel it.
moreover, i dont think what hydra did was luck; i dont think it was an entirely planned move.
looking at the vod again, hydra probably only pulled the drones after seeing no early probe scout with his overlord, so deduced the likelihood of wooki going for fast nexus.
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On March 19 2012 18:08 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:58 ffreakk wrote:On March 19 2012 12:51 endy wrote:On March 19 2012 12:28 Turbovolver wrote:
Well depends on the mistake. Hero shouldn't be trivialised, CH was lucky he even tried to scout a bit of the way towards the main, Hero specifically planned for his opponent to scout the natural only (see interview), and CH effectively did that.
On the other hand, Stats was just bad. But that's stats. He's overrated as hell. We all know that. What was weird is that CH's ovie didn't move towards another base right after checking the natural, it went in the main, but not far enough, hence the discussion. Agree on Stats' mistake, even when I offrace TvP at D levels I rarely see Protoss sending whole groups of probes exactly at the intersection of mines and goons... It looks like he totally lost control, but usually Stats isn't the kind of player who chokes in important games, so it was a little surprising from him. Wooki could have won easily by canceling nex, and adding one can. I guess that playing the last hope game for the team + facing an unusual all in was too much for a rookie, so yeah we can say that the better player won. Hydra was just super lucky that Wooki didn't go forge first because he pulled drones even before seeing the 11 nex. I'm not cheering for either team and the games did leave me greatly disappointed. Thanks Tiger toss for game 3 at least ! I don't think going Forge earlier would have mattered that much. Hydra's drones got to the ramp early, and had to wait for a while for Wooki to put down his cannon. Even if Wooki had gone cannon first, i believe that Hydra''s drones would have made it on time to cancel it. moreover, i dont think what hydra did was luck; i dont think it was an entirely planned move. looking at the vod again, hydra probably only pulled the drones after seeing no early probe scout with his overlord, so deduced the likelihood of wooki going for fast nexus.
Responding appropriately based on scouted information is the very definition of a prepared Build. I think CJ prepared well that day.
Though, i (still) hate CJ with a passion...
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When Wooki saw the the drones he shoulda cancel the nexus and add another cannon or 2 and he would be miles ahead... but its easy to talk whats best to do when you are in that kind of situation 
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Flash lost to 3 protosses in a row lol
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On March 19 2012 12:28 Turbovolver wrote:
On the other hand, Stats was just bad. But that's stats. He's overrated as hell.
Standard league games against top competition:
2-0 Bisu
2-0 Best
1-0 Kal
5-1 Zero
3-1 Effort
2-1 Soulkey
4-2 Jangbi
3-2 Stork
3-2 Hydra
3-2 Fantasy
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0-7 Jaedong
1-4 Leta
Standard league games against all competition:
111-81 (58%)
Bad? No.
Good? Yes.
Overrated as hell? Yes, if by "overrated" you mean "everyone thinks he's a radioactive Jedi but I alone can see him for what he is, a Starcraft player with an above-average win rate."
(Edit: And did he fuck up big time in that game? Yes.)
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On March 19 2012 20:10 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:28 Turbovolver wrote:
On the other hand, Stats was just bad. But that's stats. He's overrated as hell. Standard league games against top competition: 2-0 Bisu 2-0 Best 1-0 Kal 5-1 Zero 3-1 Effort 2-1 Soulkey 4-2 Jangbi 3-2 Stork 3-2 Hydra 3-2 Fantasy *** 0-7 Jaedong 1-4 Leta Standard league games against all competition: 111-81 (58%) Bad? No. Good? Yes. Overrated as hell? Yes, if by "overrated" you mean "everyone thinks he's a radioactive Jedi but I alone can see him for what he is, a Starcraft player with an above-average win rate." (Edit: And did he fuck up big time in that game? Yes.)
some people forgot the power rankings is made by one person with some input from various people!
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On March 18 2012 13:08 OtoshimonoU wrote:
Only protoss can take down Flash. Not suprising.
Yup. Since we all know what kind of matchup TvZ is. And TvT is the least luck-dependent mirror matchup.
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On March 18 2012 13:15 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 13:13 aupstar wrote:
Protoss most balanced race.
1a2a3a4a5a6a7a You guys are insufferable. You do realize that in all of BW history, Terran has the most champions by far...and protoss have the least? I'm almost tempted to report you guys for balancing whining, SC2-style.
^what he said. The irony is that S-class TvP is actually not in favor of Protoss
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Effort gotta step it up man... if flash and stats win KT wins and if horang2 and leta win its cj
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