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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
February 29 2012 17:59 GMT
#981
On March 01 2012 02:50 babysuperga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 02:42 Torenhire wrote:
On March 01 2012 02:10 poisui wrote:
Dear's fail timings indirectly caused God to cancel his turrets.

Dear's fail timings = win.


Dear's "fail timings" were specifically to counter Flash...Dear studied Flash's scanning patters before this weeks match so

a) we knew it was a snipe, win coaching for STX
b) we can be almost positive it wasn't a fluke.


He cancelled his turrets because when Flash did his scans, he didn't see support bay / archives anywhere, so he cancelled his turrets to build a 3rd instead.

Cancelling the turrets was his mistake, it almost sounds like Flash's "perfect response" to everything was his own undoing here. If a bad player left the turrets up, instead of cancelling, he might have been alright.


Thanks for revealing this. I didn't think about Dear's timings.


To clarify, Flash scanned around looking for the support bay, plus he saw an obs as it flew over his base. Didn't see the Support Bay + Obs First = Flash assumed no speed shuttle + reaver timing.

Dear was like fuck it and went and got speed + reaver anyways (whether it was to throw Flash off, or whether he was hoping Flash was unprepared, or whether he was going to do it anyways). Flash would have been ready for this, but after scouting the third, he cancelled his turrets so he had the money to plop down a third cc.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
February 29 2012 18:04 GMT
#982
Before I went to sleep last night I had a feeling that this would happen.

gah. I wish he had lasted another couple games.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
February 29 2012 18:12 GMT
#983
So Flash basically got metagamed? Well, when your builds are so fine tuned and efficient, it's bound to be exploited at some point. If Flash wasn't God maybe he wouldn't have cancelled those turrets!
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
February 29 2012 18:12 GMT
#984
What a sick build by dear. Incredible mind games, totally outsmarted flash. Depite knowing this had to happen eventually, I'm absolutely shocked that flash was outsmarted and outplayed by Dear.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
February 29 2012 18:13 GMT
#985
he only lost cause its 29th of feb. Next loss in 4 years.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
February 29 2012 18:24 GMT
#986
flash slump!
first we make expand, then we defense it.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
February 29 2012 18:29 GMT
#987
Flash only has a 93% win rate this season. Sluuuump.
Too bad Mind and Wooki couldn't pull through.
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 18:41:07
February 29 2012 18:32 GMT
#988
I just rewatched the vod. The brilliance of Dear's timing is hard to exaggerate.

After the first scan hit the main base, Dear sends the Shuttle to wait by the cliff over his natural, to avoid detection (the Probe was already up there). Due to the placement of the Support Bay, the first scan misses it. Then the second scan goes down, but it's also in the main, further to the left, looking for hidden tech. At the same time, the Obs reaches Flash's base, and based on what he's seen with his scans (and perhaps because of the Obs shadow), he cancels his Turrets. Mere seconds later, the Reaver finishes and the Shuttle goes to pick it up. Soon shuttle speed is done as well.

From the first scan until the Shuttle is shown moving towards the main to get the Reaver, these events span about 28 seconds in total, most of them only a few seconds apart. They fit together so perfectly, it makes me think of choreography. It's totally unbelievable Dear pulled that off.
Brood War is alive and well.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
February 29 2012 18:32 GMT
#989
I decided to go to bed. I decided to go to bed.












WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
February 29 2012 18:37 GMT
#990
Flashhhh Noooooooooo
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
February 29 2012 18:38 GMT
#991
On March 01 2012 03:13 disciple wrote:
he only lost cause its 29th of feb. Next loss in 4 years.


This. haha
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
February 29 2012 18:38 GMT
#992
fuck flash why did you lose to him of all people?! flash flashy stay strong and just kick his ass next time.
beachbeachy
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States509 Posts
February 29 2012 18:44 GMT
#993
okay so everyone is making a big deal out of this.

dear hid his tech and flash missed it. whoop dido. dear didn't crush, outplay, or outsmart flash.
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men. - Goethe
RaiD.RaynoR
Profile Joined February 2012
United States294 Posts
February 29 2012 18:50 GMT
#994
Flash is the man for this!
Redemption is the consequence of forgiveness
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 19:10:08
February 29 2012 19:03 GMT
#995
OH SHIT JUST GOT REAL!!!!!!!!! FFS DEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cannot. Wait. To see that game ^^ :D:D:D:D:DXDXDXD

Edit: Watched it. Freaking Godslayer (P)Dear!! Killed him straight up!
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
February 29 2012 19:09 GMT
#996
On March 01 2012 03:44 beachbeachy wrote:
okay so everyone is making a big deal out of this.

dear hid his tech and flash missed it. whoop dido. dear didn't crush, outplay, or outsmart flash.


You sound so...bitter. Need a hug?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
February 29 2012 19:13 GMT
#997
On March 01 2012 03:44 beachbeachy wrote:
okay so everyone is making a big deal out of this.

dear hid his tech and flash missed it. whoop dido. dear didn't crush, outplay, or outsmart flash.

You know, I heard that studying your opponents scouting and scanning patterns, then using their lack of information to your advantage is considered outsmarting someone.
Writer:o
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
February 29 2012 19:21 GMT
#998
On March 01 2012 04:13 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 03:44 beachbeachy wrote:
okay so everyone is making a big deal out of this.

dear hid his tech and flash missed it. whoop dido. dear didn't crush, outplay, or outsmart flash.

You know, I heard that studying your opponents scouting and scanning patterns, then using their lack of information to your advantage is considered outsmarting someone.


Aye.

Ignore my STX tag for a moment, and ignoring the rest of your post / comments I could make.

How is successfully hiding your tech not outsmarting your opponent?

Dear didn't do some spectacular epic game, sure, I'll give you that...but Flash kinda got owned. When your play is flawless (like Flash's usually is), hidden tech or something tricky like that is the perfect way to get through the armor.. Dear pretty much played in a way that totally countered Flash. Very similar to how sHy (I think?) dismantled Bogus (the ragequit no gg game)...Protoss forced bogus to 1rax expand by being a cheesy dbag, then played a build that absolutely DECIMATED 1rax FE (2 gate -> Proxy robo + reaver ggson)

SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
February 29 2012 19:27 GMT
#999
On March 01 2012 03:44 beachbeachy wrote:
okay so everyone is making a big deal out of this.

dear hid his tech and flash missed it. whoop dido. dear didn't crush, outplay, or outsmart flash.


flash hid his rines and jd missed it
flash hid his rax and best missed it

no outplaying or outsmarting here

whoop dido
beachbeachy
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States509 Posts
February 29 2012 19:28 GMT
#1000
On March 01 2012 04:13 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 03:44 beachbeachy wrote:
okay so everyone is making a big deal out of this.

dear hid his tech and flash missed it. whoop dido. dear didn't crush, outplay, or outsmart flash.

You know, I heard that studying your opponents scouting and scanning patterns, then using their lack of information to your advantage is considered outsmarting someone.


still believe it was a fluke.
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men. - Goethe
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