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On February 21 2012 22:06 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 22:04 .V. wrote:On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote:STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots. ![[image loading]](http://filesmelt.com/dl/lateranking.jpg) funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2? T1 CJ and T8 all being below khan stars and KT is a bit baffling, I thought the Bo5 format would ensure that the race / player specific teams would have a harder time closing it out against the deeper teams.
T8 has not been playing anywhere near the level that they should have with those players. Its not so strange though because they just formed a new team etc. If Sea can pick his game up, I think they should make the playoffs.
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gonna be tough for T8 to make the playoffs considering they are 2 games behind, have a -5 setscore, and have already played the 2 weakest teams this round.
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On February 21 2012 22:01 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 21:57 Itachii wrote:
Quality of the games isn't important as long as Khan wins.
Fuck yeah, gg. the feeling of winning a nailbiting match is much better, now its only "ok" i hope the quality of play will be better on later stages otherwise it will suck hard
That's because January fights fire with fire:
- Against a good team like KT, Samsung plays well.
- Against a mediocre team like STX, Samsung plays mediocre.
- Against a troll team like CJ (who goes from #1 in round 1 to last place in round 2), Samsung trolls by losing against them every round.
- Against the team Bisu is on, you just crush it. Why? Because The Commander >>>>> Bisu.
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Watching vods now GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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On February 21 2012 22:10 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 22:06 Caihead wrote:On February 21 2012 22:04 .V. wrote:On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote:STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots. funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2? T1 CJ and T8 all being below khan stars and KT is a bit baffling, I thought the Bo5 format would ensure that the race / player specific teams would have a harder time closing it out against the deeper teams. T8 has not been playing anywhere near the level that they should have with those players. Its not so strange though because they just formed a new team etc. If Sea can pick his game up, I think they should make the playoffs.
Still doesn't explain T1 and CJ's placement though, by no means are the players on those teams playing badly, if you put the side line players on T1 and CJ against side line players of the top 3 teams in a bo3 or bo5 they would have a good chance of winning in their current form. Maybe it's to do with the fact that the teams that are succeeding are really doing it off the back of less known (relative to FBB) players who are well prepared for a specific map / match up who are much harder to predict and prepare against. Where as teams like CJ and T1 are over extending their star line up by expecting them to be able to win at any match up on any map and send them dependent on the score rather than the map / match up; where as players like turn and brave are bringing home ironically almost guaranteed wins.
A good example is in round 2 when Khan played Stars, it went to set 5 and because the map was chain reaction brave was sent out despite the fact that Jangbi hasn't even played (imagine if a game went to set 5 and flash/stats or a member of FBB was not sent out); and he played vs Shy who has also been sent out on jade / chain reaction in 10/12 appearances.
It's difficult to say this but is January out-coaching T1 and CJ?
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Above rule doesn't apply to Flash because he's Flash.
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On February 21 2012 22:14 iLoveKT wrote:
gonna be tough for T8 to make the playoffs considering they are 2 games behind, have a -5 setscore, and have already played the 2 weakest teams this round.
No, Team 8 are only 1 game behind 4th place with a -4 set difference.
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On February 21 2012 22:06 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 22:04 .V. wrote:On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote:STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots. funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2? T1 CJ and T8 all being below khan stars and KT is a bit baffling, I thought the Bo5 format would ensure that the race / player specific teams would have a harder time closing it out against the deeper teams.
Wouldn't your argument basically support Khan's place near the top? They have the deepest lineup in the PL. As for KT, they have an auto-win player and another almost-auto-win-in-PL player. In a Bo5 that's pretty big advantage. OTOH, Best, Sun, and to a lesser extent Bisu have all underperformed. While the entire CJ team seem to have no chemistry despite their depth. In that the players that get sent out sparingly tend to not perform well despite seemingly more time to prepare each match.
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On February 21 2012 22:51 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 22:06 Caihead wrote:On February 21 2012 22:04 .V. wrote:On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote:STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots. funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2? T1 CJ and T8 all being below khan stars and KT is a bit baffling, I thought the Bo5 format would ensure that the race / player specific teams would have a harder time closing it out against the deeper teams. Wouldn't your argument basically support Khan's place near the top? They have the deepest lineup in the PL. As for KT, they have an auto-win player and another almost-auto-win-in-PL player. In a Bo5 that's pretty big advantage. OTOH, Best, Sun, and to a lesser extent Bisu have all underperformed. While the entire CJ team seem to have no chemistry despite their depth. In that the players that get sent out sparingly tend to not perform well despite seemingly more time to prepare each match.
Khan having the deepest line is arguable, stars having a deeper line than CJ / SKT is also arguable. As I've explained in my previous post I think the perception that Khan has the deepest line and that the top 3 teams are performing so well are mostly due to good coaching and decisions in preparation of the matches. Having key players with solid performances just makes it that much better. The coaching choices are what made Khan in particular stand out.
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Khan victories make me start off the workday with a smile! Good job Khan!
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Russian Federation286 Posts
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You can't tame the beast!
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I just saw the VODs, and I realized in Stork vs Mini.
that mini pylon above the ramp was not for canon leapfrog as many speculated
the forge came much much later when mini was sure he could not do damage with his lots
as stork was defending well and had the advantage of home base defense and THE shield battery.
the forge from mini was meant to canon his main for the counter that would soon commence.
i think mini meant to warp a shield battery there too
fortunately, stork was too smart for it and did everything,
zealots and probes, to destroy it and the mini probe as well.
early game low-econ high micro PvPs like that are always welcome!
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On February 22 2012 11:11 yepenaxa wrote:
I just saw the VODs, and I realized in Stork vs Mini.
that mini pylon above the ramp was not for canon leapfrog as many speculated
the forge came much much later when mini was sure he could not do damage with his lots
as stork was defending well and had the advantage of home base defense and THE shield battery.
the forge from mini was meant to canon his main for the counter that would soon commence.
i think mini meant to warp a shield battery there too
fortunately, stork was too smart for it and did everything,
zealots and probes, to destroy it and the mini probe as well.
early game low-econ high micro PvPs like that are always welcome!
That's how the cheesiest most micro oriented race should be played!
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On February 22 2012 11:11 yepenaxa wrote:
I just saw the VODs, and I realized in Stork vs Mini.
that mini pylon above the ramp was not for canon leapfrog as many speculated
the forge came much much later when mini was sure he could not do damage with his lots
as stork was defending well and had the advantage of home base defense and THE shield battery.
the forge from mini was meant to canon his main for the counter that would soon commence.
i think mini meant to warp a shield battery there too
fortunately, stork was too smart for it and did everything,
zealots and probes, to destroy it and the mini probe as well.
early game low-econ high micro PvPs like that are always welcome!
No. The forge was built at pretty much the same time the pylon was. They never actually show mini's base during that time period, but if you watch his minimap, at 5:18 in the VOD, there's only the Nexus in his base. 5 seconds later, at 5:23, another blue dot, the forge, appears below it, at the exact same time that the pylon finishes. I can't say for sure his intentions for that pylon, but the forge was definitely there before the pylon went down.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/y4ziz.jpg)
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really weird how KHAN seem to be pwning everyone this season, they are my least favourite team ;_;
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On February 21 2012 21:33 SFANZA wrote:
stork saying that he practiced exactly the same kinda game with his teammate just this afternoon in anticipation of this game. thus, when he realized the cheese he thought he bagged it, but due to him being ole, he couldn't do multitasking... he said he almost lost the game cuzz of his poor multitasking but said his battery saved him.
Reading this really makes me feel sad. I remember the times when Stork's zealot micro was really, really awesome,
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On February 22 2012 11:30 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 11:11 yepenaxa wrote:
I just saw the VODs, and I realized in Stork vs Mini.
that mini pylon above the ramp was not for canon leapfrog as many speculated
the forge came much much later when mini was sure he could not do damage with his lots
as stork was defending well and had the advantage of home base defense and THE shield battery.
the forge from mini was meant to canon his main for the counter that would soon commence.
i think mini meant to warp a shield battery there too
fortunately, stork was too smart for it and did everything,
zealots and probes, to destroy it and the mini probe as well.
early game low-econ high micro PvPs like that are always welcome! No. The forge was built at pretty much the same time the pylon was. They never actually show mini's base during that time period, but if you watch his minimap, at 5:18 in the VOD, there's only the Nexus in his base. 5 seconds later, at 5:23, another blue dot, the forge, appears below it, at the exact same time that the pylon finishes. I can't say for sure his intentions for that pylon, but the forge was definitely there before the pylon went down.
May I present counter evidence to yours and evidence to my initial proposition:
Game: 03:10
VOD: 05:04
mini's probe warp's in the pylon at the ramp
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IrZVR.jpg)
Game: 03:15
VOD: 05:09
camera on mini's base, no forge
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iEkld.jpg)
Game: 03:41
VOD: 05:45
mini's pylon miniseconds away from exploding
please pay attention to the minimap
this is where, as you noticed, there is a blue dot below mini's nexus already
i was trying to track the mineral count,
unfortunately the VOD turns to stork when mini had 184 minerals
and returns with mini at 68 minerals.
this happened around 03:27[game] / 05:21[VOD]
(also important is how mini religiously pumps zealots
and never lets the mineral get beyond 100, but this time it reaches way beyong 180)
given the circumstances:
time/additional minerals between stork focus
and the mineral difference 184++ (could have been 200+) - 68 = 150ish
i'd say this is the time the forge was warped, 03:27[game] / 05:21[VOD]
or 17+ game seconds after he warped in that pylon.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GXoWN.jpg)
Game: 03:44
VOD: 05:37
mini's pylon now goes poof!
now the dot below mini's nexus is more prominent
maybe there is a probe there that it looks bigger now?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/89GIa.jpg)
Game: 03:59
VOD: 05:52
mini has more zealots than stork
but stork's probes and shield battery keeps him alive and kicking
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4mfN9.jpg)
Game: 04:36
VOD: 06:29
we see the mini's forge for the first time
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/waWmQ.jpg)
Therefore, unless mini was planning to go canon-powering pylons first
before warping the forge (he forgot? maybe true. he doesn't know the timing? definitely not true.)
there is no way that pylon is for canons,
It must have been for battery as mini still has army advantage at this time
and was losing only because storks probes and zealots are immortal.
Thanks for listening/reading,.
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What a completely and utterly predictable result.
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Damn game 3 was sicksational. Jangbi crushing terran without storms. It's kinda like his finals against Fantasy, except without the carriers.
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EPT
