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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Second, I have some extra rules that have come into existance due to happenings during the first 4 weeks. I'm going to post them tomorrow as it is a bit late here and I'm tired. I hope that these rules will help clarify unclear spots in the tournament structure. Thank you for your patience. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On March 18 2012 07:47 Nikon wrote: First off, please don't use red. Second, I have some extra rules that have come into existance due to happenings during the first 4 weeks. I'm going to post them tomorrow as it is a bit late here and I'm tired. I hope that these rules will help clarify unclear spots in the tournament structure. Thank you for your patience. will this include information about the L_master matchs aswell? becouse if its post-poned its kinda stupid that 1 guy can claim the win anywayX_X | ||
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Jealous
10413 Posts
I'm sure this is more or less exactly the issue that Nikon is deliberating over. | ||
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Obelisco
Peru1962 Posts
On March 18 2012 06:31 hp.Shell wrote: I disagree, game one still hasn't been played and if there is a result already it is a win for us by walkover. Kaal hasn't contacted me to play, but I suppose it doesn't really matter now unless he still wants to play for fun. I'd be more than happy to play him!  Edit: Nevermind, didn't see the doubled Fighting Spirit game. GG Courage! I'm sure the games were exciting. P.S. I'd like to publicly voice a concern I have regarding substitutes / alternates in case people aren't showing up to their matches. I really don't like the idea of allowing substitutes for this simple reason: Say we have a team consisting of the following BW players, who are participating as D ranks in this league. Name (best matchup)  Horang2 (PvP)By.Sun (PvT) sKyHigh (TvT)TurN (TvP) Hyuk (ZvP)Modesty (ZvZ)Now I being the team captain of this team, send out my lineup. Ideally I want Horang2 to play a PvP, and so on. So I send out Horang2 on a P map. But what if the opposing team sends a Terran? By.Sun would do much better. So, the strategy here is to have Horang2 be a no-show, and By.Sun shows up as an alternate / substitute. In this way teams can have players specialize in one matchup only, which is detrimental to the spirit of competition and to the spirit of this league. Therefore, I request that Nikon add the rule that no substitutes be allowed. Reschedules should still be permitted, but alternates should be banned. I think while it may be abused, it also requires the other team's permission. The other team can take the decision on rescheduling or allowing a replacement with another player on the same map and the same races. This also had to be warned in advance i think. In this specific case, seems Team Courage could not reschedule but agreed to allow Despa to replace the protoss player for another protoss player. I am not sure, but it seems they also replaced one of their players. Btw i think you example was a bit long haha | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On March 18 2012 09:10 Jealous wrote: I personally think it's fair. To allow a reschedule is more or less the same thing as allowing a substitute (two answers to the same issue). Not granting a sub should make it acceptable (not that it isn't already) to not grant a reschedule. I'm sure this is more or less exactly the issue that Nikon is deliberating over. In what way is reschedule = to substitute? O_O | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4343 Posts
LOL! That is too funny. =) | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On March 18 2012 06:44 Eywa- wrote: So wait... you agreed to a PP then decided to change your mind?... dunno how that's fair. Allowing your opponent to postpone is being nice. If the favor is returned by shitting in the other team's face and asking for 2 WO's for people that were late, it only seems poetic justice to me. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On March 18 2012 12:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Allowing your opponent to postpone is being nice. If the favor is returned by shitting in the other team's face and asking for 2 WO's for people that were late, it only seems poetic justice to me. Doesn't matter what's nice, in the end you agreed to a PP, you can't change your mind later. You're like yeah we can play this poker game later, text him as soon as he leaves the table "LOLOL I NOT PLAY PP, your friends r mean  ". | ||
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TL-TyranT
United States87 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
I'm not too worried about my match with Arya atm, I'm just trying to figure out all this stuff about claiming W.O.'s and whatnot. Apparently we (team 2) started claiming walkovers for games? What I wanna know is how long did we wait before starting to claim these walkovers? Thanks! | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
On March 18 2012 13:22 TL-TyranT wrote: I had an epic slugfest ( in the form of a brawl ) TvP on Circuit Breaker I recommend people watch the replay download I put it as " UED vs Team 4 last match epic TvP " on iccup user replays. I would like to add and question that he is C- and while I've never actually hit the rank, but got high D+ why is he allowed to play?. Is he one of those can't sustain C-'s that long player is that why?. Idk someone please clarify for me I am confused at the end of the game he even said his best rank is D+. So I had to verify myself. Anyways hope next week will be better form for UED. Oh also can pokazglowe be changed to UED_PokazGlowe Nikkon as it seems he didn't sign up that way I guess it was BloodSpray who did that while back. There are players who are higher than D+ playing in this league. That's not conjecture. All we can do is ignore it and enjoy as much as possible. I personally feel that touching C- before signing up for the league should disqualify you from it, but that choice is not mine to make, and it doesn't matter anyway because the people who did touch C- before signing up are not the top dogs. There's a big difference in being rated 2999 and being rated 3000 simply because that is the line iCCup chose to draw between D and C. That said, the league is 9 weeks long. That's more than enough time to rise from D+ to C-. Rising from 2999 skill to 5000, on the other hand, would be impossible. | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2614 Posts
I do not think it is okay to claim a WO for the LMaster match, but I think you guys should definitly allow at least one PP as well, since this would be the most mannered way of handling things. TAKK offered you to play K)XelN4g4's game in the next few days, if you agree to it then there will not be any WO demands from our side for the match of LMaster. So I do not see why there is so much drama in this thread. Just accept the PP of K)XelN4g4 and everything is fine. You guys take this way too seriously. This is a FUN-league. I was not even so eager about WO in a real clanleague, where there was prizemoney. So calm down, just let us play all the games and it will be all alright. Or don't you agree with me? P.s. I am not the official speaker of TAKK, so this is not what my team actually thinks, but just me | ||
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olabaz
United States298 Posts
On March 18 2012 13:22 TL-TyranT wrote: I had an epic slugfest ( in the form of a brawl ) TvP on Circuit Breaker I recommend people watch the replay download I put it as " UED vs Team 4 last match epic TvP " on iccup user replays. I would like to add and question that he is C- and while I've never actually hit the rank, but got high D+ why is he allowed to play?. Is he one of those can't sustain C-'s that long player is that why?. Idk someone please clarify for me I am confused at the end of the game he even said his best rank is D+. So I had to verify myself. Anyways hope next week will be better form for UED. Oh also can pokazglowe be changed to UED_PokazGlowe Nikkon as it seems he didn't sign up that way I guess it was BloodSpray who did that while back. This has been repeated 100x. You can go back and read through the 41 pages. Perhaps instead of whining over 1 game you should be practicing so you don't lose the next one. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
who already came 5 minutes late, asked me for some extra time, normaly i am NOT making any troubles about it, and i will say YES, but in this case i had to play another leauge(already postponed becouse of my matchs), and i was just simply short on time. i informed him shortly after he came about it. i am not sure who started the descusion about the summer-daytime saving time, but if it was the case and he had to be on work at it. i find it strange becouse everywhere where i look it says that in his country (gmt+2) the time will change 5 days from now. and after being 40 minutes late i asked a w.o becouse i yust simply haven't enough time to yust proxy 2 gate him anymore. and i woudn't be able withing the time i got to play an straigth-up matchs. (thats atleast what I preffer). i hope this will clear up. sidenote: we need to get a writer to make this a best-selling book lol  | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On March 18 2012 13:18 Eywa- wrote: Doesn't matter what's nice, in the end you agreed to a PP, you can't change your mind later. You're like yeah we can play this poker game later, text him as soon as he leaves the table "LOLOL I NOT PLAY PP, your friends r mean ".It matters when it's a fun league, and your analogy makes no sense. What'd make more sense is if your friends threw two of my friends out because they were late. This is not about rules, this is about common decency. We offered a postponement with the thought that they would do the same if we had problems, and we always offer other teams to postpone if they can't get their lineup together. If you don't have the common decency to accept a postponement from our side then there's no reason we should accept the postponement anymore. On March 18 2012 18:07 sabas123 wrote: i want to state clear, my opponent. aka team2vstakk drama. who already came 5 minutes late, asked me for some extra time, normaly i am NOT making any troubles about it, and i will say YES, but in this case i had to play another leauge(already postponed becouse of my matchs), and i was just simply short on time. i informed him shortly after he came about it. i am not sure who started the descusion about the summer-daytime saving time, but if it was the case and he had to be on work at it. i find it strange becouse everywhere where i look it says that in his country (gmt+2) the time will change 5 days from now. and after being 40 minutes late i asked a w.o becouse i yust simply haven't enough time to yust proxy 2 gate him anymore. and i woudn't be able withing the time i got to play an straigth-up matchs. (thats atleast what I preffer). i hope this will clear up. sidenote: we need to get a writer to make this a best-selling book lol You could've agreed to play him on another day, like we did with L_Master. The fact that you didn't and forced a walkover is why we decided to revoke our hospitality. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On March 18 2012 23:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It matters when it's a fun league, and your analogy makes no sense. What'd make more sense is if your friends threw two of my friends out because they were late. This is not about rules, this is about common decency. We offered a postponement with the thought that they would do the same if we had problems, and we always offer other teams to postpone if they can't get their lineup together. If you don't have the common decency to accept a postponement from our side then there's no reason we should accept the postponement anymore. You could've agreed to play him on another day, like we did with L_Master. The fact that you didn't and forced a walkover is why we decided to revoke our hospitality. they never asked me for a PP. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
We did ask, this is from my twitch.tv vod so it's bad quality but you can still read it. + Show Spoiler [screenshot] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/62H4M.png) You can find the whole vod including my match here -> http://www.twitch.tv/artanisxp/b/311973767 - Drama starts around 33:00. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
Why you didn't asked for a PP? I think 1a2a3a probolly woulda accepted a PP if you asked for one due to your more important league that was coming right after DRTL so you coulda asked or 1a2a3a. But no you decided to make it a WO without trying to ask for a PP which is not cool for anyone...... Even the same situation fro Xelnaga but idk why he didn't show up but your team coulda pm'd him for a PP and just take a walkover just like that...... So not cool to just take walkover's without trying to make the matches PP'd... EDit: Also lmatser did ask for a PP so we did sort it out at the time then shit happened....... | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On March 18 2012 23:31 LightningStrike wrote: after being late 40 mintes? but i agree i shouldnt took that w.o that fast.Why you didn't asked for a PP? I think 1a2a3a probolly woulda accepted a PP if you asked for one due to your more important league that was coming right after DRTL so you coulda asked or 1a2a3a. But no you decided to make it a WO without trying to ask for a PP which is not cool for anyone...... Even the same situation fro Xelnaga but idk why he didn't show up but your team coulda pm'd him for a PP and just take a walkover just like that...... So not cool to just take walkover's without trying to make the matches PP'd... | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
When you talk about decency, try to not make our players wait 40+ minutes for games and they start crying when they take W.O, because that is by no means decent. | ||
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