(Vote): Star girl (Vote): Light girl (Vote): Crossdress Zero (Vote): Leta. (Vote): Not so pretty[gm] (Vote): ^___^ 2
Poll: Whew! You made it!
... where's the rest? (30)
30%
My eyes! (27)
27%
... they're cute. (11)
11%
Dude, I'm reporting you. (9)
9%
I still think Zero with purple glasses is cuter (8)
8%
I... I think I threw up in my mouth (7)
7%
WTF... (7)
7%
Lol (1)
1%
Meh, no big deal. (1)
1%
101 total votes
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(Vote): I... I think I threw up in my mouth (Vote): My eyes! (Vote): Lol (Vote): ... they're cute. (Vote): I still think Zero with purple glasses is cuter (Vote): WTF... (Vote): Dude, I'm reporting you. (Vote): Meh, no big deal. (Vote): ... where's the rest?
Could be epic games. Effort vs Light and Soulkey vs Leta is mouth-watering enough, then throw in Zero, Hydra and the decent protoss lines. Given how entertaining a lot of the zvzs have been this season, it could also be cool to see the top-notch zergs duking it out.
SK vs Leta I want Effort vs Light ZerO going at it versus Movie in an epic ZvP would be pretty awesome. I want to see Star win so Khan can regain number 1 position.
On December 26 2011 08:17 growl wrote: Let's go CJ! Continue the domination. I hope Hydra wins gets a ZvZ and wins it so that he doesn't lose confidence.
Then they need to stop trying so hard and put in less effort
On December 26 2011 08:17 growl wrote: Let's go CJ! Continue the domination. I hope Hydra wins gets a ZvZ and wins it so that he doesn't lose confidence.
Then they need to stop trying so hard and put in less effort
Lol well said. I actually hope they put in Skyhigh or BByong for a game, those two poor guys never seem to get to play.
The LR threads this season have been beyond imagination. As CJ is my 2nd favorite team I usually root for them over anyone except KT, but seeing Light girl in the OP I'll make an exception this one time.
On December 26 2011 08:17 growl wrote: Let's go CJ! Continue the domination. I hope Hydra wins gets a ZvZ and wins it so that he doesn't lose confidence.
Then they need to stop trying so hard and put in less effort
Lol well said. I actually hope they put in Skyhigh or BByong for a game, those two poor guys never seem to get to play.
Only chance of seeing skyhigh is a TVT snipe. So pretty much the only matchup you'd see from him would be VS Light. Which would be epic indeed.
I'm thinking Effort/Hydra VS Light is more likely, but expcg a lot of ZVP.
I think Woongjin has a much better chance of winning than they did at the beginning of the season... CJ seems more vulnerable since Hydra/Effort no longer seem as invincible as they did in week 1.
I have faith in the CJ coach to land favorable matchups. Effort has played decently, but he isn't back to his former self. Feels like the kimdongwoo wants Hydra to land ZvZs (may be coincidence) CJ isn't as invincible as everyone makes them out to be, still a formidable performance if everything just clicks though
More CJ lost will make this season more interesing. Wongjin is a solid team. I hope Light will play more unpredictably and Zero find his good form again.
On December 26 2011 08:17 growl wrote: Let's go CJ! Continue the domination. I hope Hydra wins gets a ZvZ and wins it so that he doesn't lose confidence.
Then they need to stop trying so hard and put in less effort
Lol well said. I actually hope they put in Skyhigh or BByong for a game, those two poor guys never seem to get to play.
Only chance of seeing skyhigh is a TVT snipe. So pretty much the only matchup you'd see from him would be VS Light. Which would be epic indeed.
I'm thinking Effort/Hydra VS Light is more likely, but expcg a lot of ZVP.
I agree, it'd only really be on a ridiculously terran favored map on which Stars would not want to send out zero or soulkey or shy, because any one of them would probably take skyhigh to the cleaners. Especially zero and soulkey, since I've never seen Skyhigh play an impressive TvZ (beating Jaedong in random 4 minute games excepted, obviously).
On December 26 2011 08:17 growl wrote: Let's go CJ! Continue the domination. I hope Hydra wins gets a ZvZ and wins it so that he doesn't lose confidence.
Then they need to stop trying so hard and put in less effort
Lol well said. I actually hope they put in Skyhigh or BByong for a game, those two poor guys never seem to get to play.
Only chance of seeing skyhigh is a TVT snipe. So pretty much the only matchup you'd see from him would be VS Light. Which would be epic indeed.
I'm thinking Effort/Hydra VS Light is more likely, but expcg a lot of ZVP.
I agree, it'd only really be on a ridiculously terran favored map on which Stars would not want to send out zero or soulkey or shy, because any one of them would probably take skyhigh to the cleaners. Especially zero and soulkey, since I've never seen Skyhigh play an impressive TvZ (beating Jaedong in random 4 minute games excepted, obviously).
On December 26 2011 08:17 growl wrote: Let's go CJ! Continue the domination. I hope Hydra wins gets a ZvZ and wins it so that he doesn't lose confidence.
Then they need to stop trying so hard and put in less effort
Lol well said. I actually hope they put in Skyhigh or BByong for a game, those two poor guys never seem to get to play.
Only chance of seeing skyhigh is a TVT snipe. So pretty much the only matchup you'd see from him would be VS Light. Which would be epic indeed.
I'm thinking Effort/Hydra VS Light is more likely, but expcg a lot of ZVP.
I agree, it'd only really be on a ridiculously terran favored map on which Stars would not want to send out zero or soulkey or shy, because any one of them would probably take skyhigh to the cleaners. Especially zero and soulkey, since I've never seen Skyhigh play an impressive TvZ (beating Jaedong in random 4 minute games excepted, obviously).
Skyhigh vs July game 1 was pretty good.
True that. I just don't see CJ risking it by sending him out when Woongjin is smart enough to avoid a clear cut snipe like that. He may get sent in if they take an early lead like 2-0 or 2-1 and Light has yet to be fielded.
On December 27 2011 15:56 soujiro_ wrote: @shimmy that was like 2 years ago ... 4 minutes to go :D
Yeah and he momentarily retired because it was his goal. Point is, he didn't grind down his skills. He's still very very very good, and could definitely take Light.
What is Movie's song? I feel like I know it from somewhere Movie come on please <3 My never ending facebook messages feel like I'm hindering you, show me I'm not Anyways, how was everyones Christmas/ celebratory festive holidy
As much as i want CJ to win this match, i really wanna see light win this match vs Movie. he hasn't been the same since the light girl incident and that makes me sad.
aha i hope this is as good as you say it will be! aha dw i have seen some legend BW matches and know it is amazing. One question, is there anywhere which this is in english? didnt sayle or someone say they broadcast in english?
Both players going to be scouting incorrectly at first Movie sending out an early zealot Factory just about complete for Light 2 marines out, going to deny the scout in Movie pushing with his goon aswell, range being upgraded 2nd fact for Light
On December 27 2011 16:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: we got a Korean stream,an english stream and a russian stream lol.
TBH I don't care about the english or russian stream. Not bieng a offense, but I wake up, turn on PC and watch this just to see koreans screaming for StarCraft, even if I dont have idea what they say besides "PLAYGUUU, STORMUUU, TANKUUU"
Multilingual Brood War <3 2nd factory about to finish Movie has back off of the nat for now 6 marines for Light, scouting for probes First tank is out Nexus has been dropped from Movie
On December 27 2011 16:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: we got a Korean stream,an english stream and a russian stream lol.
TBH I don't care about the english or russian stream. Not bieng a offense, but I wake up, turn on PC and watch this just to see koreans screaming for StarCraft, even if I dont have idea what they say besides "PLAYGUUU, STORMUUU, TANKUUU"
Movie mine diffusing , his nat goes up Obs tech is warping in Light going to be rallying vultures 3 tanks + ~6 marines + vultures pushing towards Movie 3 gates now just kicking in Pylon trying to get setup One vulture sneaks into the main, but gets killed
marines and tanks moving in probes are pulled! vulture gets into the main but is taken out quickly tanks amoving with vultures and marines, probes and goons fighting it off , but Movie is losing all his probes wow
Goons are being pushed back because of spider mines Probes are being pulled off, Observer is out Tanks seige up, two and mines are keeping Movie at bay
All probes at the nat go down to the fire Light starting his CC behind this Support bay is out Movie has a shuttle out, drops and gets a nice mine bomb off Light pulls back
Movie's nexus went down in that engagement Reaver out, Movie going to harass Nexus being rebuilt Engineering Bay is compelte, turrets going to be on the way
Light getting an ebay at his main, anticipating some retaliation. reaver finished for Movie, loaded into the shuttle
Light has his natural online now. it's also filled with tanks. Observer leading the way for goons, they're clearing the mines as they get to light's main
reaver dropped at the main! 1 svcv down, a few more to the 2nd and 3rd scarab tanks arrive into the main, reaver gets back into the shuttle, zealot dropped and another scarab fired! 2 more scvs dead
Movie has his 3rd warping in at the 12.5 Movie pulls his goons back from Light's ramp Tries to continue reaver harass, but is being pushed out Light going up to 4 fact Movie adding Citadel
Movie still on 3 gate Looks like hes going to push out with a portaion of his goon force, Tries to range seiging tanks, but unseiged tanks totally counter that Movie adding gates Light pushing out with his force Movie picks off two tanks, before Light sieges
Vultures going to try and runby into the nat Planting a mine field 8 gates total Movie not paying attention to his shuttle, but nothing happens Light starting to shell the 3rd Almost gets a few good zealot bombs off, but vultures are good Movie is in the tank line Light has no vulture support, and is on the run!
shuttle watches the tanks and vultures advance. movie being forced back as light leap frogs his tanks forward
movie trying to get another zealot bomb, but the vultures kill the zealot before any damage is done
movie losing his reaver! a massive zealot drag! gets all the vultures! movie moving his goons forward, the tanks are being picked off without vulture support!
3 tanks retreating, they're dying to goon fire as they retreat
vulture trying to raid the 3rd, mine glitch lets the vulture get through the pylon wall, probes pulled to fight it off, a few probes down zealots arrive to take care of the vulture threat
Movie takes everything out, but one tank in the red health A single vulture glitches it way into the 3rd 6 kills before it dies to angry probes Two vultures microing against speedlots 3rd CC starting for Light
Archives and Stargate warping in Arbiters Armory finished now for Light Movie has about a 30 food lead, 66-96 Light still on 4 fact Another reaver out for Movie
Movie going to go for the reaver harass Light putting on more pressure over the high ground Shuttle comes back Movie decides to just go for the counter Light has nothing, and it doesn't look like hes going to pull back
Light forced to pull probes off the line to defend Reaver getting huge scarabs off Movie's 3rd is getting ravaged, and vultures are in his nat though Movie with his smug look on GO MOVIE GO The nat has been cleared, Two CC's floating back into the main for Light One goes down
I think Movie has another expo at 9 oclock, yes he does Light pulling his forces to attack the new 3rd No vulture supports, zealots going to be dropped on top of them Arbiter is out
movie losing his 12 though, so he's back on 3 bases, a pylon wall blocking the 9 o'clock expo stop the tanks temporarily, the goons arrive but they're no match of the tanks, shuttle bombing the tanks now, arbiter arrives, the tanks are no more and movie's 9 is safe
Movie clean sup the tanks at the 9 oclock Vultures going to try and get into the nat again, but Movie has forces there DT being made to eat mines Light, down a CC and a ton of workers now
Light able to retake his natural, he's planted the CC down and mining again. His main is looking thin though and he'll need a 3rd very soon
another reaver made and loaded into the shuttle
vultures kill a few probes transferring to the 3rd, tanks are setting up dangerously close. movie leading with an arbiter zealots run into the tank line, vultures unable to block it. reaver dropped and killing more tanks along with goons/zealots light losing his forces
On December 27 2011 16:27 poisui wrote: Light, how are you so "bad"?
Whoever said that Light is better than Flash clearly has no idea what they are talking about. Light was good before but he is terrible right now.
It's Light's TvP Perfectman vs Light, Record stands at 5-3, one of them was a stupid proxy DT from PM though Arbiter forces the unseiged Reaver doing alot of work to the clumped tanks Light loses his army once again GG from Light
Seriously wtf... I'm not totally up to date with these builds but wasn't Light seriously supposed to win that? I mean, 1 gate core -> nex -> robo and only then more gates.
On December 27 2011 16:30 Xpeijz wrote: Seriously wtf... I'm not totally up to date with these builds but wasn't Light seriously supposed to win that? I mean, 1 gate core -> nex -> robo and only then more gates.
He took Movie's expansion with early push. I don't quite get how he loses then, looked like worse macro (+ he lost some to reaver shuttle harass, but I don't think that was what determined it).
On December 27 2011 16:30 Xpeijz wrote: Seriously wtf... I'm not totally up to date with these builds but wasn't Light seriously supposed to win that? I mean, 1 gate core -> nex -> robo and only then more gates.
If it was Flash (or even Bogus) playing, then yes. They would have rolled over Movie. However, Light's TvP sucks.
On December 27 2011 16:29 X10A wrote: MOVIE <3 Facebook congratulations time Seriously, where is Movie's music from, and who is it from? Swear I've heard it before
On December 27 2011 16:30 Winechu wrote: Light messed up, cutting stuff to push again with 4fac after gaining an advantage from 2fact lol.
Good job from movie though, thought he'd lost after that initial poor control against 2fact push. Love his reaver usage in PvT
Precisely. After annihilating the natural Light should've grabbed the quick third.
Either that or he could have just stayed on 1 base to beef up his contain after destroying the natural (instead of just staying long enough to snipe a nexus and run). Or he could have done a less shitty job of defending that reaver when he scouted a shuttle. There are a lot of ways to win a game off of a 2 fact vs. 1 gate FE...
On December 27 2011 16:30 Xpeijz wrote: Seriously wtf... I'm not totally up to date with these builds but wasn't Light seriously supposed to win that? I mean, 1 gate core -> nex -> robo and only then more gates.
He took Movie's expansion with early push. I don't quite get how he loses then, looked like worse macro (+ he lost some to reaver shuttle harass, but I don't think that was what determined it).
You can still lose from there as Terran if toss keeps its probes alive and can break out in some reasonable time period or do dmg with reaver. 2 fact needs to do more damage than just killing the nexus to be "supposed to win". Who lost more workers? Light to reaver harrass or Movie to the 2 fact?
edit: Movie in the interview said he was confident he would win, even after losing the nexus. As long as the 2 fact didn't kill him.
On December 27 2011 16:34 Xpeijz wrote: Lights 2fac timing already seemed a bit late to me. He massed up a bit and that let Movies 2nd and 3rd gates warp in. God that was painful.
He researched mines first and siege wayyyyy too late.
Light didn't even have the worker saturation to start 3rd. Why should he? He was actually behind in supply even after the 2fac push. He lost when his contain broke. It is unfortunate that it was cross position.
On December 27 2011 16:34 bearbuddy wrote: Light didn't even have the worker saturation to start 3rd. Why should he? He was actually behind in supply even after the 2fac push. He lost when his contain broke. It is unfortunate that it was cross position.
He would've had time to sit back, defend, and saturate up three bases while Movie rebuilt his natural and prepared for what could be a possible doom push considering he still hadn't scouted.
On December 27 2011 16:30 Xpeijz wrote: Seriously wtf... I'm not totally up to date with these builds but wasn't Light seriously supposed to win that? I mean, 1 gate core -> nex -> robo and only then more gates.
He took Movie's expansion with early push. I don't quite get how he loses then, looked like worse macro (+ he lost some to reaver shuttle harass, but I don't think that was what determined it).
You can still lose from there as Terran if toss keeps its probes alive and can break out in some reasonable time period or do dmg with reaver. 2 fact needs to do more damage than just killing the nexus to be "supposed to win". Who lost more workers? Light to reaver harrass or Movie to the 2 fact?
However, the replay now shows Movie actually lost all his expo probes, fighting the tanks.
On December 27 2011 16:34 bearbuddy wrote: Light didn't even have the worker saturation to start 3rd. Why should he? He was actually behind in supply even after the 2fac push. He lost when his contain broke. It is unfortunate that it was cross position.
He would've had time to sit back, defend, and saturate up three bases while Movie rebuilt his natural and prepared for what could be a possible doom push considering he still hadn't scouted.
Except that the 3rd is over the ledge, and not easily defended. Kinda hard to take when he has fewer forces.
On December 27 2011 16:30 Xpeijz wrote: Seriously wtf... I'm not totally up to date with these builds but wasn't Light seriously supposed to win that? I mean, 1 gate core -> nex -> robo and only then more gates.
He took Movie's expansion with early push. I don't quite get how he loses then, looked like worse macro (+ he lost some to reaver shuttle harass, but I don't think that was what determined it).
You can still lose from there as Terran if toss keeps its probes alive and can break out in some reasonable time period or do dmg with reaver. 2 fact needs to do more damage than just killing the nexus to be "supposed to win". Who lost more workers? Light to reaver harrass or Movie to the 2 fact?
Movie from the 2 fact if I recall correctly. But light cut a lot of workers for the push in the first place so the impact was probably as great.
On December 27 2011 16:30 Xpeijz wrote: Seriously wtf... I'm not totally up to date with these builds but wasn't Light seriously supposed to win that? I mean, 1 gate core -> nex -> robo and only then more gates.
He took Movie's expansion with early push. I don't quite get how he loses then, looked like worse macro (+ he lost some to reaver shuttle harass, but I don't think that was what determined it).
You can still lose from there as Terran if toss keeps its probes alive and can break out in some reasonable time period or do dmg with reaver. 2 fact needs to do more damage than just killing the nexus to be "supposed to win". Who lost more workers? Light to reaver harrass or Movie to the 2 fact?
However, the replay now shows Movie actually lost all his expo probes, fighting the tanks.
Movie was still ahead on supply and said in the interview he knew he just had to survive and he would win.
On December 27 2011 16:34 Xpeijz wrote: Lights 2fac timing already seemed a bit late to me. He massed up a bit and that let Movies 2nd and 3rd gates warp in. God that was painful.
Zero scouts Leta with a drone Zero going to punish CC before rax, with 4 drones Rax not close to being done Leta looks worried Lots of scvs being pulled Zero loses a drone
WOW5 drones at leta's natural, attacking scvs, Leta pulled a hell of a lot of scvs to fight it off. 1 drone down, 4 drones still blocking the wall from being completed.
Zero with a 3rd at 12.5
Leta finally able to get a bunker up, drones leave now. pool coming up for Zero
Micro wars guys Rax finishes, Zero pulls back with the 4 drones Leta putting up a bunker, and blocks with all the pulled scvs Pool isn't even complete I think Zero went for 3 hatch before pool, hes taking his mineral only Leta hasn't even scouted Zero
zero getting his 4th at 10 o'clock. Meanwhile Leta starts placing turrets inside his main
a small group of lings sit patiently outside leta's natural. Leta getting +1 as he adds more turrets at his natural. marines and medics moving out, they stim up and the lings run away
Leta reviles stim Mutas are out now Hydra den is up, lurkers going to be out soon Mutas going to fly into Marine fire Leta buying time for his turrets Zero has 3 creep colonies at his nat, +1 attack for Leta is done
Zero making a 5th at 6.5, dangerously close to leta, but leta doesn't know yet.
mutas are out. Leta getting his first factory
2 control groups of marines/meds moving out, they're very close to zero's natural! mutas trying to delay more marines meetin up, the ball is getting quite big
3 sunkens, 2 creep colonies at the nat for Zero Leta scanning around for Zero's 4th Zero not fireing off that many volleys Queens nest is up, hive morphing Marine scouts out the 4th
The game looks to be in Zero's favor though with the hidden base at 6. Even if Leta does take the 10 o clock base the 6 will have been running for a while and the 10 is pretty well defended too.
3 lurkers on the way 2 emergency creep colonies being morphed in Evo chamber has been added Not going for the 4th, turns around tot he nat Defiler mound is morphing 5 sunkens + 3 lurkers MINDGAMES Leta turns around to go after the 4th now
Zero has a ninja expo at 7 mineral only Leta spots it though Leta's not going to get through the sunkens and mutas with that small force at 6 Going to take his mineral only Vessel and tanks being added Mutas harassing the CC under construction
Zero giving away mutas and overlord But lurker under swarm pushes back Leta's army Leta going to try and kill the 11, but the nydus is in the way 7 fact total, Looks like all rax lifted
marines attacking lings under swarm. 2 tanks siege up, lings waiting patiently, another swarm goes up and lings take out the tanks and some marines, vessel gets sniped too!
lings run into a bunch of mines, a lot of them die. the rest run into vultures.
Leta's vessel gets sniped Tanks get caught under swarm Mass vultues out now with full upgrades Mines take out a nice portion of the ling force Zero taking 11 and 7 main now
swarm goes up, but the hydras and lurkers walk into mines, tanks splash take care of the rest. more hydras coming out of that nydus, lings as well. They manage to take out the tank force.
Leta d-matrixing another dropship. can't see where it's headed
Leta keeping up the tank pressure. He's got a lot of mines laid.
swarm over the tank line and lings and hydras run under the cover. lings take out the tanks. another vessel is sniped. Leta trying to take 9 o'clock meanwhile Zero expands to the other bases. Almost all the bases are taken, I think 3 o'clock is the only one free? could be wrong
dropship inside zero's main, marines dropping out, they die to lings as soon as their feet touch the ground
Zero taking the 11 nat, and 12 oclock now Leta really needs to snipe the nydus at 7, and take it for himself Drop from Zero now, HUGE drop in to Leta's main
vultures and tanks attack 11 o'clock, swarm thrown protecting the hydras, the tanks and vultures are taken out. Leta's attacks aren't very effective here
more units being loaded up into overlords.
zero losing a lot of lings to random mines around the map
I'm pretty sure Leta's lost, unless he does something amazing fast Drop finally gets cleaned up, but Zero is going again Pretty sure hes full ups at this point (Zero)
science facility spots the overlords entering into the main!
lings and lurkers arrive through the back door as well
lings take over the factories, swarm thrown up but the lings are dead coming through the back door. factories are on fire. Zero taking 12 and 8 o'clock
Leta isn't going to be able to trade armies anymore Zero just has too much The main is being absolutely ravaged Lots of facts going down I think his scvs at the mineral only are all dead
wtf is with people? it seems like it's only me and three other people who are shitting ourselves over that game. drone rush into double ninja expand?????? how did somebody vote "nay" on that shit?
On December 27 2011 17:09 Golgotha wrote: i dont get how zero was able to hold so many ninja bases without any of them getting raped by a simple bio push. ill have to study this one
the min-only bases were on high ground so the sunkens were super powerful against them since not many bio units could get on the ramp. in addition, leta spread his forces early because he found out there were two ninja expands and he thought he had to take them both down. maybe if he'd focused his forces on only one of them or gone up the backdoor so he didn't have to struggle through the ramp
On December 27 2011 17:09 Golgotha wrote: i dont get how zero was able to hold so many ninja bases without any of them getting raped by a simple bio push. ill have to study this one
The choice of expos were good and had ramps. Also Leta split his forces trying to take down both at one go when he really should've committed to taking down 1.
On December 27 2011 17:09 Golgotha wrote: i dont get how zero was able to hold so many ninja bases without any of them getting raped by a simple bio push. ill have to study this one
the min-only bases were on high ground so the sunkens were super powerful against them since not many bio units could get on the ramp. in addition, leta spread his forces early because he found out there were two ninja expands and he thought he had to take them both down. maybe if he'd focused his forces on only one of them or gone up the backdoor so he didn't have to struggle through the ramp
Yeah I'm not entirely sure why Leta's split his army up, he had to small forces sitting outside the bases doing nothing. He attempted to attack 10 and after he lost 2 marines he backed off and left his marines there, as if it were some sort of contain
On December 27 2011 17:09 Golgotha wrote: i dont get how zero was able to hold so many ninja bases without any of them getting raped by a simple bio push. ill have to study this one
The choice of expos were good and had ramps. Also Leta split his forces trying to take down both at one go when he really should've committed to taking down 1.
I love ZerO... but it was all over the moment Leta's 5rax "pressure" did no pressure and allowed ZerO to continue with 4 bases (and expand to a 5th). A balls-to-the-wall full-on attack on the fourth could have won him the game (he was far ahead on supply), but instead he chose to play safe vs. a super-greedy build. A Zerg with more than double a Terran's bases not under a dangerous attack will always win (unless it's Flash, who doesn't count as these rules are meant for humans, not cybernetic super-beings).
ZerO just played it out correctly, keeping minimal defenses while getting ready for late-game. Immaculate ZvT, including the 4 drone pressure (Leta was forced to pull 8 SCVs, lost a lot more mining time and was delayed in tech).
Jaedong's was definitely more pimp, but Zero's double min only expo into brilliant defense with nydus/sunks into taking both mains was simply brilliant.
The drone rush reminds me of playing vs korean protoss, and he masses dark archons, mind controls all my drones, and then kills me with my own drones, to prove that drones are imba :3
On December 27 2011 17:09 Golgotha wrote: i dont get how zero was able to hold so many ninja bases without any of them getting raped by a simple bio push. ill have to study this one
the min-only bases were on high ground so the sunkens were super powerful against them since not many bio units could get on the ramp. in addition, leta spread his forces early because he found out there were two ninja expands and he thought he had to take them both down. maybe if he'd focused his forces on only one of them or gone up the backdoor so he didn't have to struggle through the ramp
Yeah I'm not entirely sure why Leta's split his army up, he had to small forces sitting outside the bases doing nothing. He attempted to attack 10 and after he lost 2 marines he backed off and left his marines there, as if it were some sort of contain
i think part of it was shock. these kids practice constantly but i think zero's play was honestly 100% unexpected. i'm not sure how much of leta's strength comes from good decision-making but you're definitely right that we didn't see him making great decisions this game.
that said, he may have been thinking to deny further expansions (since gas expands are more powerful for zergs), or he may have been trying to block off units.
On December 27 2011 17:14 figq wrote: The drone rush reminds me of playing vs korean protoss, and he masses dark archons, mind controls all my drones, and then kills me with my own drones, to prove that drones are imba :3
How did you let him get that many DAs? enough to take all your drones lol
On December 27 2011 17:12 Kazius wrote: I love ZerO... but it was all over the moment Leta's 5rax "pressure" did no pressure and allowed ZerO to continue with 4 bases (and expand to a 5th). A balls-to-the-wall full-on attack on the fourth could have won him the game (he was far ahead on supply), but instead he chose to play safe vs. a super-greedy build. A Zerg with more than double a Terran's bases not under a dangerous attack will always win (unless it's Flash, who doesn't count as these rules are meant for humans, not cybernetic super-beings).
ZerO just played it out correctly, keeping minimal defenses while getting ready for late-game. Immaculate ZvT, including the 4 drone pressure (Leta was forced to pull 8 SCVs, lost a lot more mining time and was delayed in tech).
zero made his 4th and 5th at almost identical times
Jaedong's was definitely more pimp, but Zero's double min only expo into brilliant defense with nydus/sunks into taking both mains was simply brilliant.
Jaedong's rush, unfortunately, only succeeded because Midas suck. If that bunker surround had failed, it would most likely have been Midas' win.
On December 27 2011 17:14 figq wrote: The drone rush reminds me of playing vs korean protoss, and he masses dark archons, mind controls all my drones, and then kills me with my own drones, to prove that drones are imba :3
How did you let him get that many DAs? enough to take all your drones lol
That's what I was thinking as well rofl. That loss must've been really painful.
On December 27 2011 17:14 figq wrote: The drone rush reminds me of playing vs korean protoss, and he masses dark archons, mind controls all my drones, and then kills me with my own drones, to prove that drones are imba :3
How did you let him get that many DAs? enough to take all your drones lol
im like E iccup, he like fish server veteran lol dont remember how we even got in the same game, perhaps on blizzard server
Suddenly, I realize the extent of the horrible, horrible combination that has been created by placing the best/second-best TvZer next to one of the best macro ZvTers ever.
On December 27 2011 17:17 pvzvt wrote: missed the first game let me game guess ... another cheesy strategy by movie? cant see light going back to his grey days of bad pvt.....
Nah it was actually a very good game, although I am sad that Light did not avenge Sea.
On December 27 2011 17:17 pvzvt wrote: missed the first game let me game guess ... another cheesy strategy by movie? cant see light going back to his grey days of bad pvt.....
actually i think a substantial number of us think light played poorly
On December 27 2011 17:17 pvzvt wrote: missed the first game let me game guess ... another cheesy strategy by movie? cant see light going back to his grey days of bad pvt.....
not really, 1 gate expand, light going 2 fact and getting mines first, attack was late, movie loses his nexus but gets some good reaver harass as light got his ebay pretty late imo. Light quite a number of units unnecessarily that game too.
3rd set is on Jade
Sin in white at 11 o'clock snow in orange at 1 o'clock
On December 27 2011 17:18 ymir233 wrote: Suddenly, I realize the extent of the horrible, horrible combination that has been created by placing the best/second-best TvZer next to one of the best macro ZvTers ever.
leta is not the best tvz or even the 2nd best tvz but he sure is the coolest i'll give u that
On December 27 2011 17:18 ymir233 wrote: Suddenly, I realize the extent of the horrible, horrible combination that has been created by placing the best/second-best TvZer next to one of the best macro ZvTers ever.
leta is not the best tvz or even the 2nd best tvz but he sure is the coolest i'll give u that
On December 27 2011 17:17 pvzvt wrote: missed the first game let me game guess ... another cheesy strategy by movie? cant see light going back to his grey days of bad pvt.....
not really, 1 gate expand, light going 2 fact and getting mines first, attack was late, movie loses his nexus but gets some good reaver harass as light got his ebay pretty late imo. Light quite a number of units unnecessarily that game too.
3rd set is on Jade
Sin in white at 11 o'clock snow in orange at 1 o'clock
thanks for the recap ... oh light what a waste it will hurt in later stages woonging.....
On December 27 2011 17:18 ymir233 wrote: Suddenly, I realize the extent of the horrible, horrible combination that has been created by placing the best/second-best TvZer next to one of the best macro ZvTers ever.
leta is not the best tvz or even the 2nd best tvz but he sure is the coolest i'll give u that
i think he meant light - i.e., light and zero train together on woongjin
first factory on the way, core is spinning for now
first zealot en route towards sin's main, 1 marine guarding, now 2, they run back into the main, and in btween the CC and rax. zealot goes back to the natural to wait for the goon's arrival
First fact is under construction Snow's core is up, sending out a zealot for some pressure Core is spinning 3 marines with sim city are going to be enough to make the zealot wait for the probe/goon
First tank One gate robotics from Snow CC under construction at the nat Spider mines are done Hon_Sin moving out with his ~6 marines and tank 2nd gate is complete, as is thenexus 2nd fact for Sin
On December 27 2011 17:18 ymir233 wrote: Suddenly, I realize the extent of the horrible, horrible combination that has been created by placing the best/second-best TvZer next to one of the best macro ZvTers ever.
leta is not the best tvz or even the 2nd best tvz but he sure is the coolest i'll give u that
I meant Light practicing with ZerO...
O+o oh my bad didnt notice u were talking about the practice partners .... but it has its downsize u know fbh was never good vs p till he left them and free is always flaky vs zergs .... now we know why
On December 27 2011 17:22 Sawamura wrote: but lightwip , action has the potential ^^ so i wouldn't call him lousy at all maybe inexperience is the word to describe him .
Call him wasted potential then. He's had more than enough experience.
Observatory is up now Turret is in place behind the nat mineral line Reaver and zealots are loaded up I can't tell if there are turrets in the main though Shuttle flies directly over a mine
On December 27 2011 17:22 Sawamura wrote: but lightwip , action has the potential ^^ so i wouldn't call him lousy at all maybe inexperience is the word to describe him .
Unfortunately he's been all potential for 2 years already. Potential is but just that if you don't live up to it. Inexperience is a rather bad excuse considering it's been 2 years since his debut...
I hope action proves me wrong, but I think he's only going to be a mediocre zerg at best.
observatory now warping in. Reaver in the making most likely. Sin now adding turrets around his natural. first reaver is out, shuttle picks it up, probably a zealot in there too
shuttle passes over a mine. turrets are in place. Shuttle takes a hit, takes a 2nd hit before moving away
goons do some mine defusing towards 12.5, probe arrives there to add a nexus
On December 27 2011 17:22 Sawamura wrote: but lightwip , action has the potential ^^ so i wouldn't call him lousy at all maybe inexperience is the word to describe him .
Call him wasted potential then. He's had more than enough experience.
snow taking some damage form a random mine, stops an scv from getting to the 3rd, don't know if the scv actually saw the 3rd, but I guess it's a safe assumption snow has a 3rd there
Sin matching snow's expo, takes a 3rd at 10 o'clock
marines fail to stop the shuttle from entering into the main, reaver dropped, 2 scvs killed, another scarab scores another scv, and another!
zealot dropped to take some fire. sin scrambling to make a turret, goliath is out! slow shuttle trying too escape
snow loses another goon to a mine, but they take out the turrets, allowing the reaver to harass the 3rd. Sin forced to lift his 3rd and float it away
Reaver still lives, drops in the 3rd Snow runs into a mine though 3rd CC is under goon fire Snow pulls out, hes up to 4 gates and has templar tech up Sin going up to 4 fact now
Snow taking his 3rd at the 5 oclock natural Forge being added Snow going to take the 4 oclock it looks like Vultures moving out towards the 4th, 11 gate to 4 fact Man, Snow needs lessons on how to set gateways neatly by Horang2
Dropship out for Sin 2 vultures + a tank Snow going to try and harass with his Shuttle again Sin drops behind the 3rd Snow still has slowlots Arbiter tech is up Strom drop attempt by Snow? Or just carrying the HT
20 kill seige tank 24 before death >< Snow should've just pulled probes to attack He has 5 main warping in as his 5th expo Double upgrades from Sin Arbiters are out now
Recalls are going to win it for snow, right now he's not only stuck in his base but his defensive position is rather poor. Meanwhile snow is sitting pretty on 5 bases...
nevermind he tried to push out so snow didn't even have to recall. meh.
sin on 9 factories. vessel hovering over the terran army. observer almost sniped but manages to get away.
Sin looking to take a 4th, starts a CC at his 3rd
Snow is maxed out, but there doesn't appear to be many HT in his army, he's got a lot of goons and zealots sin moving out! 2 vessels lead the way, snow retreating, loses a few goons. stasis over a vessel!
Hon_Sin at 1-1 for the moment Snow has 2 forge spinning Snow looks like hes going to try and go for it 4th CC from Sin at his 3rd 1-2 upgrades for Terran now Stasis on one science vessel, still two more Lots and lots of gates at 5 oclock
On December 27 2011 17:34 Sawamura wrote: That Tank deserves a purple heart in my opinion ....
i'd rank it among the top kamikaze planes that ever took a flag ship
wtf exactly after snow adds 5 gateways ... gave him a solid chance to fight back forget about a comeback just saw the push crushed and hin sin in the sweating oh shit i'm fucked moment posture
goon softening up the vultures, a few more goons die as they retreat
sin advancing with his vultures and tanks. zealots looking to get in a flank!
storms over the tanks! wow zealots rush in, mine drag! vessel goes down, SIN LOSES EVERYTHING, dragoons taking out the reinforcements Sin is sweatingin his booth snow starts another expo at 4 o'clock
Nice storm drop on clumped tanks Snow pushing in with his masses of zealots Hon_Sin sweating 125-145 supply Sin-Snow Two cyber core, and fleet beacon DONT THROW THE GAME AWAY SNOW
Oh god so clear that the vultures that hon_sin sent out early and got wrecked by Snow's traveling army....are not in his push. Soooooo many zealots ripping through the smaller tank force.
Nice storm on Sin's forces, constant storming on the small clumped up forces are doing wonders Snow with a 50 supply lead over Sin, and its growing Almost 3k worth of minerals stocked up for Snow
Feels like snow is just peeling apart this kid with storms/mine drags/better econ. The amount of resources floating for Snow just allows him to make more stuff than Si
Zealots were just on top of the tankline without even going through mines or anything. So careless by sin, basically threw the game away with that one bad push.
Snow pushing into Hon_Sin's ramp, but pulls back 123-175 food count, Sin-Snow Sin's 4th is hovering over the 9 olcock, but not landed or mining EMP on an archon? lol Snow looks like hes just going to overwhelm Sin's force
d-matrix over the lone tank, vultures laying mines around the goons, goons dying to mines!
HT and more goons arrive, zealots too, Sin is pushed back into his natural! both with very small numbers more units arriving for now. Snow hasn't rallied his gates LOL his units are sitting right next to them
it doesn't matter though, he's got enough units to fight sin, first carrier attacking on its own
hon_sin looks all but done for in this game. Snow just pouring in units to hon_sin's base.
Looks like a 2-1 for CJ. Sounds like a very familiar situation...Incoming Hydra in a ZvZ only to lose and then go to game 5 and CJ lose again. Entirely possible with Soulkey still left too.
On December 27 2011 17:41 Apex wrote: hon_sin looks all but done for in this game. Snow just pouring in units to hon_sin's base.
Looks like a 2-1 for CJ. Sounds like a very familiar situation...Incoming Hydra in a ZvZ only to lose and then go to game 5 and CJ lose again. Entirely possible with Soulkey still left too.
lolllllll
I love how Hydra's just getting thrown to the wayside in ZvZ predictions nowadays. I want a Horang2 vs Soulkey or EffOrt/Hydra vs free match set 5 though....please?
On December 27 2011 17:41 Apex wrote: hon_sin looks all but done for in this game. Snow just pouring in units to hon_sin's base.
Looks like a 2-1 for CJ. Sounds like a very familiar situation...Incoming Hydra in a ZvZ only to lose and then go to game 5 and CJ lose again. Entirely possible with Soulkey still left too.
Woongjin has Soulkey and ... who else? CJ still has Hydra, EffOrt, Horang2. Let's say Hydra loses to Soulkey, and then who is going to play against EffOrt? Free? I don't really see Free and Soulkey winning over EffOrt, Hydra and Horang2.
On December 27 2011 17:51 mnesthes wrote: I'm thinking that if the SV's EMP was actually EMP then it really should completely disable all mechanical units (even your own) within its AoE.
Should also disable dragoons and zealots since zealots are half mechanical
On December 27 2011 17:51 mnesthes wrote: I'm thinking that if the SV's EMP was actually EMP then it really should completely disable all mechanical units (even your own) within its AoE.
If the Carrier was really a Carrier, Protoss should be able to land them over a tank line.
On December 27 2011 17:51 mnesthes wrote: I'm thinking that if the SV's EMP was actually EMP then it really should completely disable all mechanical units (even your own) within its AoE.
Should also disable dragoons and zealots since zealots are half mechanical
doesnt work that way :>
Yeah but it doesn't, so the spell shouldn't have been named EMP shockwave.
On December 27 2011 17:51 mnesthes wrote: I'm thinking that if the SV's EMP was actually EMP then it really should completely disable all mechanical units (even your own) within its AoE.
If the Carrier was really a Carrier, Protoss should be able to land them over a tank line.
If plague was actually viral/bateria plague, then it shouldn't harm any mechanical units/buildings.
On December 27 2011 17:51 mnesthes wrote: I'm thinking that if the SV's EMP was actually EMP then it really should completely disable all mechanical units (even your own) within its AoE.
Should also disable dragoons and zealots since zealots are half mechanical
doesnt work that way :>
Yeah but it doesn't, so the spell shouldn't have been named EMP shockwave.
Anyway they shouldn't disable wraiths cause they are made of paper.
lings from both players Soulkey getting angry again? Looks like he has a few more lings Lair for Soulkey at the nat, almost at the same time as Hydras Spire morphing in for both players, slightly faster for Hydra
Hydra going to go for a ling attack Soulkey has to pull drones from the nat Spire isn't complete yet for Soulkey, Hydra forcing and killing drones off gas
both players with speed lings now, Hydra racing his lings over towards SK's natural
SK and a ling line there, lings engage! hydras with the better curve! SK backs off! more lings for SK, but hydra is winning the battle! drones pulled to help for a bit, nope drones are running to the main ow
SK loses more lings, Hydra inside the main, gets 2 drones before running away more lings arriving into Sk's main
On December 27 2011 17:51 mnesthes wrote: I'm thinking that if the SV's EMP was actually EMP then it really should completely disable all mechanical units (even your own) within its AoE.
If the Carrier was really a Carrier, Protoss should be able to land them over a tank line.
If plague was actually viral/bateria plague, then it shouldn't harm any mechanical units/buildings.
Actually Plague's official description from B.net says it's actually some corrosive biotoxin shit so it's at least somewhat credible.
Although the first bust was kinda fail due to attacking the gas drones, Hydra uses superior mechanics to run around and kill lings and drones in the min line. Muta advantage for Hydra.
Soulkey has his own mutas out now Hydra running lings into the main again, trying to force drones off No scourge from Hydra, but Soulkey has a pair with him
Soulkey flying a pair of scourge into Hydra's overlord Pair of lings taking out the gas drones at Hydra's nat Both players eating scourge Soulkey looks on the run, and looks lik ehe has less forces Pair of scourge pop right on top of his force though Soulkey has no more mutas
SK doesn't have the muta numbers to fight head one, hydra taking advantage and attacking the main mineal line, scourge arrive and hydra takes care of them with some micro.
GG from SK as his mineral lines look quite bare and without units
On December 27 2011 18:03 writer22816 wrote: Damn it seems like whoever makes more lings in the earlier game ZvZ before mutas pop always ends up with an advantage.
On December 27 2011 10:45 Gao Xi wrote: Hydra will probably get the ZvZ against zero, if its the 4th match he loses, if its not 4th match he wins. That seems to be the pattern.
Nice to see CJ's coaching staff still fielding Hydra despite his recent hiccups and Hydra delivering. He must be in good form. Good mental strength, if he only acquired S class ZvT...
On December 27 2011 20:03 hellbound wrote: Nice to see CJ's coaching staff still fielding Hydra despite his recent hiccups and Hydra delivering. He must be in good form. Good mental strength, if he only acquired S class ZvT...
Also LASENCA SAVE US awesome
Maybe in practice he was ripping up ZvZs. But just had bad luck on vs hoejja/killer Cause they seem to land those ZvZs for hydra.
On December 27 2011 20:03 hellbound wrote: Nice to see CJ's coaching staff still fielding Hydra despite his recent hiccups and Hydra delivering. He must be in good form. Good mental strength, if he only acquired S class ZvT...
Also LASENCA SAVE US awesome
Maybe in practice he was ripping up ZvZs. But just had bad luck on vs hoejja/killer Cause they seem to land those ZvZs for hydra.
It's true that he is one of the strongest ZvZ'ers but he can do more than that
The fact that there hasn't been a Hydra vs Bisu since dinosaurs roamed circuit breaker is a horrible crime against esports. Happy birthday by the way.
On December 27 2011 20:54 Nikon wrote: Stargirl power helped me break my liquibet losing streak! <3 Wonder what Leta did tho, have to check the game out.
On December 27 2011 20:03 hellbound wrote: Nice to see CJ's coaching staff still fielding Hydra despite his recent hiccups and Hydra delivering. He must be in good form. Good mental strength, if he only acquired S class ZvT...
Also LASENCA SAVE US awesome
Maybe in practice he was ripping up ZvZs. But just had bad luck on vs hoejja/killer Cause they seem to land those ZvZs for hydra.
It's true that he is one of the strongest ZvZ'ers but he can do more than that
The fact that there hasn't been a Hydra vs Bisu since dinosaurs roamed circuit breaker is a horrible crime against esports. Happy birthday by the way.
Thank you. Yea He could be easily be 6-0 right now. Might be a chance that Hydra plays against Bisu at the end of this week when CJ plays SKT. Though it feels like they want to land Hydra with ZvZ Leta/skyhigh with TvT Effort with ZvP and the protosses with whatever they're good at (though they seem to be missing this)
I like our chances vs SKT . Our protosses are pretty good in PvP and PvT , Leta and skyhigh could take out Fantasy or a SKT zerg and Effort or Hydra could beat anyone an a good day and we have momentum an our side , so we should have the slight uperhand against SKT .
What a nice game by Zero. Despite having so many bases spread all throughout the map he managed to keep all of them well defended and didn't lose any until late in the game. His dark swarm usage was immaculate too. I hope he'll play Flash or Light on the same map sometime this season.
On December 27 2011 21:33 raga4ka wrote: I like our chances vs SKT . Our protosses are pretty good in PvP and PvT , Leta and skyhigh could take out Fantasy or a SKT zerg and Effort or Hydra could beat anyone an a good day and we have momentum an our side , so we should have the slight uperhand against SKT .
I hope you guys win, I mean really this season 1st place doesn't mean as much as it used to anyway.
Oh I felt for Light today, I could see tears from the corner and I know he is definitely under pressure from coach, I hope we see a win from him against Ace! Woongjin fighting!
Zero can be SUCH a badass! Doing a ling fake and then taking five bases, continue to play defense and take the entire map. Suddenly - Ultras in the main. Leta had no window to get back into this game. Going mech to harass defeats the purpose of going mech which is to take three bases and sit on them? Maybe should have stuck with MnM if he wanted to do the harass oriented play. Props to you, Zero. Well played and an awesome match for the fans. Keep punishing greedy builds!.
On December 28 2011 01:33 Emon_ wrote: Zero can be SUCH a badass! Doing a ling fake and then taking five bases, continue to play defense and take the entire map. Suddenly - Ultras in the main. Leta had no window to get back into this game. Going mech to harass defeats the purpose of going mech which is to take three bases and sit on them? Maybe should have stuck with MnM if he wanted to do the harass oriented play. Props to you, Zero. Well played and an awesome match for the fans. Keep punishing greedy builds!.
It was an epic epic game from zero. Albeit if Leta could've found that 11 when he had the chance to squash it the game might've been radically different. Zero played a very smart game and totally outmatched Leta.
On December 27 2011 21:33 raga4ka wrote: I like our chances vs SKT . Our protosses are pretty good in PvP and PvT , Leta and skyhigh could take out Fantasy or a SKT zerg and Effort or Hydra could beat anyone an a good day and we have momentum an our side , so we should have the slight uperhand against SKT .
On December 27 2011 21:33 raga4ka wrote: I like our chances vs SKT . Our protosses are pretty good in PvP and PvT , Leta and skyhigh could take out Fantasy or a SKT zerg and Effort or Hydra could beat anyone an a good day and we have momentum an our side , so we should have the slight uperhand against SKT .
I sure hope so. Skyhigh is 6-0 against Fantasy.
Gotta love Skyhigh. I can't believe that Fantasy's seriously 0-6 against anyone in TvT though, aren't his TvP and TvT pretty legendary?
On December 27 2011 21:33 raga4ka wrote: I like our chances vs SKT . Our protosses are pretty good in PvP and PvT , Leta and skyhigh could take out Fantasy or a SKT zerg and Effort or Hydra could beat anyone an a good day and we have momentum an our side , so we should have the slight uperhand against SKT .
I sure hope so. Skyhigh is 6-0 against Fantasy.
Gotta love Skyhigh. I can't believe that Fantasy's seriously 0-6 against anyone in TvT though, aren't his TvP and TvT pretty legendary?
legendary is pushing it but yeah his tvp and tvt is good.
skyhigh was still beating fantasy despite slumping hard. skyhigh played pretty well vs mind last time, so skyhigh should beat him.
On December 28 2011 01:33 Emon_ wrote: Zero can be SUCH a badass! Doing a ling fake and then taking five bases, continue to play defense and take the entire map. Suddenly - Ultras in the main. Leta had no window to get back into this game. Going mech to harass defeats the purpose of going mech which is to take three bases and sit on them? Maybe should have stuck with MnM if he wanted to do the harass oriented play. Props to you, Zero. Well played and an awesome match for the fans. Keep punishing greedy builds!.
On December 27 2011 21:33 raga4ka wrote: I like our chances vs SKT . Our protosses are pretty good in PvP and PvT , Leta and skyhigh could take out Fantasy or a SKT zerg and Effort or Hydra could beat anyone an a good day and we have momentum an our side , so we should have the slight uperhand against SKT .
I sure hope so. Skyhigh is 6-0 against Fantasy.
Gotta love Skyhigh. I can't believe that Fantasy's seriously 0-6 against anyone in TvT though, aren't his TvP and TvT pretty legendary?
Skyhigh is a TvT specialist though. His other two matchups are REALLY bad. His TvZ is actually comical.
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