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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
December 07 2011 09:22 GMT
#861
On December 07 2011 18:21 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:20 konadora wrote:
lol light's vz

arguably 2nd or 3rd best TvZer in the world

Probably the best unprepared or standard TvZer in the world.

Flash has something to say about that.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
December 07 2011 09:22 GMT
#862
I said earlier that sending a rookie P against Shuttle was suicide and we saw what happened, so I won't say anything about sending hyvaa.
ॐ
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
December 07 2011 09:23 GMT
#863
On December 07 2011 18:17 Phyrigian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:15 L_Master wrote:
I'm telling you guys, and I've been saying this for a while: SK is one of the three best Zerg's out there. Only JD, effOrt, and to a lesser extend; hydra, compare.

I still can't believe I got him for 6 and effOrt for 5. That's just unfair.


i'd say jaedong > effort = hydra > zero > soulkey

but yeah, he really is top tier, kinda underrated

Jaedong = Hydra > Zero > Soulkey > Effort imo
웅진 멘쓰즈
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
December 07 2011 09:23 GMT
#864
Final match of the night

Map is Sniper ridge

Hyvaa in white at 11 o'clock
light in teal at 1 o'clock

Overlord is headed in the wrong direction
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
December 07 2011 09:23 GMT
#865
On December 07 2011 18:22 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:21 kuroshiroi wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:20 konadora wrote:
lol light's vz

arguably 2nd or 3rd best TvZer in the world

Probably the best unprepared or standard TvZer in the world.

Flash has something to say about that.

Here we go again >_>
웅진 멘쓰즈
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
December 07 2011 09:23 GMT
#866
I said earlier that sending a rookie P against Shuttle was suicide and we saw what happened, so I won't say anything about sending hyvaa against Light.
ॐ
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
December 07 2011 09:23 GMT
#867
Why not send Dear? At least he's not a T or Z
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
December 07 2011 09:24 GMT
#868
On December 07 2011 18:23 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:17 Phyrigian wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:15 L_Master wrote:
I'm telling you guys, and I've been saying this for a while: SK is one of the three best Zerg's out there. Only JD, effOrt, and to a lesser extend; hydra, compare.

I still can't believe I got him for 6 and effOrt for 5. That's just unfair.


i'd say jaedong > effort = hydra > zero > soulkey

but yeah, he really is top tier, kinda underrated

Jaedong = Hydra > Zero > Soulkey > Effort imo


Hydra kinda reminds me of young JD. Except JD tore terrans up when he was just making his rise, and struggled vs P. Hydra is the opposite.
Jaedong and Baby
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 07 2011 09:24 GMT
#869
I don't think they can change it on the fly. Rosters are set right before the match.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 07 2011 09:24 GMT
#870
On December 07 2011 18:23 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:22 Scarecrow wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:21 kuroshiroi wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:20 konadora wrote:
lol light's vz

arguably 2nd or 3rd best TvZer in the world

Probably the best unprepared or standard TvZer in the world.

Flash has something to say about that.

Here we go again >_>

Lololol! The eternal discussion. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
December 07 2011 09:25 GMT
#871
hyvaa going 12 hatch, another drone sent out towards Light's base

Light getting his rax up inside his main, light sends out a scout, he's going towards 5 where the scv will find nothing

pool placed. drone scout arrives at light's base just as the rax finishes
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
December 07 2011 09:25 GMT
#872
On December 07 2011 18:24 StarStruck wrote:
I don't think they can change it on the fly. Rosters are set right before the match.


I thought they weren't set for the ace match?>
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 07 2011 09:25 GMT
#873
On December 07 2011 18:24 StarStruck wrote:
I don't think they can change it on the fly. Rosters are set right before the match.


it's up to the coach decision and stx decided that hyvaa > medesty.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 07 2011 09:25 GMT
#874
On December 07 2011 18:17 Phyrigian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:15 L_Master wrote:
I'm telling you guys, and I've been saying this for a while: SK is one of the three best Zerg's out there. Only JD, effOrt, and to a lesser extend; hydra, compare.

I still can't believe I got him for 6 and effOrt for 5. That's just unfair.


i'd say jaedong > effort = hydra > zero > soulkey

but yeah, he really is top tier, kinda underrated


Hydra is a solid, very good zerg. But I just don't see him on the same level as effOrt. Personally I think Hydra is more deadly in ZvZ, where he is truly great; but Soulkey has better ZvT (especially ZvMech) and better ZvP. The stats seem to support this too (SK's 50% vT might look a little frail at first glance but then look at who he has played and you see over 2/3's of his games are vs terrans with a 60+% career vZ winrate).

ZerO is not on the same level as Soulkey. When he plays good he is at least as good (tbh better), than SK but this is far too rare. He has too many games where he comes out and looks mediocre or downright awful. Again, this is reflected in the stats with ZerO being mid 50% or worse in each MU and SK being mid 60% vP/vZ and 50% vT playing almost exclusive the cream of the crop terrans.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 07 2011 09:25 GMT
#875
On December 07 2011 18:24 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:23 doothegee wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:22 Scarecrow wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:21 kuroshiroi wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:20 konadora wrote:
lol light's vz

arguably 2nd or 3rd best TvZer in the world

Probably the best unprepared or standard TvZer in the world.

Flash has something to say about that.

Here we go again >_>

Lololol! The eternal discussion. :D

They have pretty distinctive qualities in the match-up though.
Hope Light is not going to mech, he has liked that way too much since he is on stars.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 07 2011 09:25 GMT
#876
hyvaas face: fuck, fuck, fuck its light fuck, why me

Light:....

....

....

kill.
WriterXiao8~~
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 07 2011 09:26 GMT
#877
Someone tell nana to update his relay?
lol
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
December 07 2011 09:26 GMT
#878
Honestly, I don't remember Light losing a TvZ against anyone not named Jaedong or Zero that went past 10 minutes, i.e. losing to early lings.
웅진 멘쓰즈
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 09:27:35
December 07 2011 09:26 GMT
#879
On December 07 2011 18:18 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:16 thopol wrote:
Holy balls.

I think that Bogus's decision to focus on the bottom left was the deciding factor. He was pushing the top right, but decided (there are a few possible reasons) to push the bottom left main instead of persisting at the top. Soulkey was able to defend the bottom right at spectacular cost to Bogus, and that was it. I don't think Bogus giving up on the top of the map was necessarily bad, but I do think that he shouldn't have committed so heavily to the SW.

It was his only chance at securing another mining base (the nat) whilst pushing. The other base had already been mined a fair bit and would've taken longer to mine. The SW was also along the path of his freshest expansion so made sense in terms of defence too.

Yeah, I hear you. The amount of minerals was big, the push path was big, the fact that he wasn't making progress in busting the NE nat was kind of big.. It's obvious that the push down there was a good decision after Bogus couldn't hurt SK substantially enough with his initial burst of aggression. It was a change of focus though, and after a bit it seemed stubborn, probably because SK was able to shrug off more than anyone expected.

Anyways, Hyvaa Hwaiting!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 07 2011 09:26 GMT
#880
On December 07 2011 18:25 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:24 StarStruck wrote:
I don't think they can change it on the fly. Rosters are set right before the match.


it's up to the coach decision and stx decided that hyvaa > medesty.


you mean classic/dear.
WriterXiao8~~
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