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[SPL] Grand Finals: SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 5

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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
August 02 2011 15:55 GMT
#81
Rational for lineup:

+ Show Spoiler +

SKT:
+ Show Spoiler +

Flash is never sent out in the beginning, so Best will be sent towards the end. Due to his experience on the map, I guess fortress.

S2 and hyuk have the 2 best ZvZs in the playoffs, and vPs good enough to beat any of the KT tosses, so they just need to avoid terran. Alternative and BR are the anti-terran maps, so I think they will be sent here. S2 on BR because he is better vs protoss than hyuk is.

Only one other zerg map, so soo is on la mancha

That leave Fantasy and bisu with beltway, where they both have little experience, and Eots, there they both have lots of experience. This could go either way, but I get teh feeling they would rather save bisu for later, so fantasy on belt way and bisu on eots

KT:
+ Show Spoiler +


Flash goes at the end, but the threat of a best snipe is too great to send a terran on fortress so flash goes on eots

hoejja goes on fortress for the counter snipe. Not a terribly good zerg map, but KT has too many zergs to be too concerned about that

Beltway should be terran or protoss so action seems like the pick here, as he has the best combo of both ZvP and ZvT. Also beltway tends to have longer games which is action's strength.

barracks goes on the last map for terran la mancha

that leaves stats and CH or the similar maps BR and alternative. Stats goes on BR because he is more used to it.



fantasy <beltway> action

Fantasy won't go bio, therefor he will win. I think he got his confidence back after his recent osl/msl success.

hyuk <alternative> CH

hyuk just went 2-1 against a group with far better zvz than CH has. CH (like all the people who go for hive) don't have the best micro, and hyuk likes to all in. As good of a MU as ZvZ can get

S2 <bloody ridge> stats

I think Stats is over rated, and he wasn't good at PvZ to begin with. S2's muta control will pick him apart before he can establish a third

soo <la mancha> barracks

really torn on this one. Similar experience, similar records, but soo does have the individual league success, and barracks hasn't played anyone with ZvT as good as soo (which is weird because he isn't that good at it). When in doubt, go with the coaching staff: ssoo wins.


best <fortress> hoejja

Sorry best, PvZ

bisu <eots> flash

Bisu will probably get another crazy strat like he did for WL finals, but I just can't pick against flash. I think he is favored against everyone with very few exceptions.

best <circuit breaker> Flash

And Best is one of those exceptions. He just has flash's number. Best will be practicing almost exclusively PvT, while Flash (on limited practice time) has to practice multiple MUs.

So what I am saying is SKT wins 4-0 thanks to the zergs. weird.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
August 02 2011 16:00 GMT
#82
Personally, I want SKT to win, though I feel that this will be close.

If it doesn't get to ace match, either team will win it 4-2. That's what I predict.
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 16:01:58
August 02 2011 16:01 GMT
#83
On August 03 2011 00:55 hacklebeast wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Rational for lineup:

+ Show Spoiler +

SKT:
+ Show Spoiler +

Flash is never sent out in the beginning, so Best will be sent towards the end. Due to his experience on the map, I guess fortress.

S2 and hyuk have the 2 best ZvZs in the playoffs, and vPs good enough to beat any of the KT tosses, so they just need to avoid terran. Alternative and BR are the anti-terran maps, so I think they will be sent here. S2 on BR because he is better vs protoss than hyuk is.

Only one other zerg map, so soo is on la mancha

That leave Fantasy and bisu with beltway, where they both have little experience, and Eots, there they both have lots of experience. This could go either way, but I get teh feeling they would rather save bisu for later, so fantasy on belt way and bisu on eots

KT:
+ Show Spoiler +


Flash goes at the end, but the threat of a best snipe is too great to send a terran on fortress so flash goes on eots

hoejja goes on fortress for the counter snipe. Not a terribly good zerg map, but KT has too many zergs to be too concerned about that

Beltway should be terran or protoss so action seems like the pick here, as he has the best combo of both ZvP and ZvT. Also beltway tends to have longer games which is action's strength.

barracks goes on the last map for terran la mancha

that leaves stats and CH or the similar maps BR and alternative. Stats goes on BR because he is more used to it.



fantasy <beltway> action

Fantasy won't go bio, therefor he will win. I think he got his confidence back after his recent osl/msl success.

hyuk <alternative> CH

hyuk just went 2-1 against a group with far better zvz than CH has. CH (like all the people who go for hive) don't have the best micro, and hyuk likes to all in. As good of a MU as ZvZ can get

S2 <bloody ridge> stats

I think Stats is over rated, and he wasn't good at PvZ to begin with. S2's muta control will pick him apart before he can establish a third

soo <la mancha> barracks

really torn on this one. Similar experience, similar records, but soo does have the individual league success, and barracks hasn't played anyone with ZvT as good as soo (which is weird because he isn't that good at it). When in doubt, go with the coaching staff: ssoo wins.


best <fortress> hoejja

Sorry best, PvZ

bisu <eots> flash

Bisu will probably get another crazy strat like he did for WL finals, but I just can't pick against flash. I think he is favored against everyone with very few exceptions.

best <circuit breaker> Flash

And Best is one of those exceptions. He just has flash's number. Best will be practicing almost exclusively PvT, while Flash (on limited practice time) has to practice multiple MUs.

So what I am saying is SKT wins 4-0 thanks to the zergs. weird.


The lineups seems pretty logical. I just have some doubts about the results.
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
August 02 2011 16:08 GMT
#84
For some reason I really want KT to claim the victory. I've had a sudden disliking for Bisy lately..for reasons I can't explain.
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
August 02 2011 16:12 GMT
#85
KT Fighting!
Trajan98
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada203 Posts
August 02 2011 16:23 GMT
#86
SKT fighting!! Win this one for iloveoov and Dr.K!!
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 16:42:10
August 02 2011 16:35 GMT
#87
Game 1
I don't think KT would put a zerg on betway..that's just silly.
Most likely they'll send a terran or protoss.

I think stats or flash would be sent here.

It's always good to start off with a win to reduce nerves of the team at a grand final.

Who better to put than Flash who thrives under pressure. It would also give him sufficient time to rest should he be needed for the ACE match.

(Game 1 goes to KT)

Game 2
Alternative is a zerg map and I really wouldn't be surprised if SKT sent out Bisu. And his chances at getting a zerg and then winning aren't too bad as It's about 50/50 for zvp on that map.

KT might choose to snipe bisu knowing this and send a protoss or a zvp specialist (stats/hoejja).

stats is 2:0 against bisu and hoejja is 1:2.

Given the map though and the prospect of SKT sending a zerg, hoejja is probably the better option given the 50/50 nature of zvz (I know there's skill involved but build order wins are the order of the day).

(Game 2 - gonna go with KT with the high chance of snipage)

Game 3
Bloody ridge - Balanced map that zerg have a slight advantage.

Predict SKT sends a zerg here and KT sends barracks.

If you've watched barracks tvz, it's almost flashesq!

(Game 3 goes to KT)

Game 4
La mancha - protoss map if ever there was one.

Stats definitely takes this as there is no pvper on SKT that can take him on and come out on top.

(Game 4 - CHINCREDIBLE TAKES IT FOR KT)



KT wins 4-0 FOR VIOLET!!!
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Buckets and buckets of tears for SKT
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On August 02 2011 23:28 a176 wrote:
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
August 02 2011 16:36 GMT
#88
Anyone know what exactly is going on before the matches?
I heard they are doing like a showmatch with chinese players, but not sure aobut the details.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
August 02 2011 16:44 GMT
#89
As always, hoping for this to go to ace match for the epic finish. Predicting 4-3 SKT!
[TLMS] REBOOT
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 02 2011 16:48 GMT
#90
THIS IS ESPORTS!!
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
August 02 2011 16:52 GMT
#91
Gotta hate how all KT coach does is whine about how hard times their team have been through. Who actually goes through hard times when you have Flash on your team? Don't whine when your players suck like crap.

Fantasy > Hoejja
Hyuk > CH
Bisu > Action
Best > Flash

The Evil Empire will fall to SKT masters of BW universe!
Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
August 02 2011 16:54 GMT
#92
GoGo SKT, send KT to Disneyland!

I look forward to gloating over all you haters once SKT mop the floor with KT .

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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 02 2011 17:01 GMT
#93
All non-SKT fans should support KT.

For Violet! KT hwaiting!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
almond
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
115 Posts
August 02 2011 17:10 GMT
#94
Oov joining the army though.
KT or SKT? Decisions decisions...
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 02 2011 17:12 GMT
#95
A one year hiatus vs cancer? Not much of a comparison, story-wise. Oh and:

On August 03 2011 00:55 hacklebeast wrote:
Rational for lineup:

+ Show Spoiler +

SKT:
+ Show Spoiler +

Flash is never sent out in the beginning, so Best will be sent towards the end. Due to his experience on the map, I guess fortress.

S2 and hyuk have the 2 best ZvZs in the playoffs, and vPs good enough to beat any of the KT tosses, so they just need to avoid terran. Alternative and BR are the anti-terran maps, so I think they will be sent here. S2 on BR because he is better vs protoss than hyuk is.

Only one other zerg map, so soo is on la mancha

That leave Fantasy and bisu with beltway, where they both have little experience, and Eots, there they both have lots of experience. This could go either way, but I get teh feeling they would rather save bisu for later, so fantasy on belt way and bisu on eots

KT:
+ Show Spoiler +


Flash goes at the end, but the threat of a best snipe is too great to send a terran on fortress so flash goes on eots

hoejja goes on fortress for the counter snipe. Not a terribly good zerg map, but KT has too many zergs to be too concerned about that

Beltway should be terran or protoss so action seems like the pick here, as he has the best combo of both ZvP and ZvT. Also beltway tends to have longer games which is action's strength.

barracks goes on the last map for terran la mancha

that leaves stats and CH or the similar maps BR and alternative. Stats goes on BR because he is more used to it.



fantasy <beltway> action

Fantasy won't go bio, therefor he will win. I think he got his confidence back after his recent osl/msl success.

hyuk <alternative> CH

hyuk just went 2-1 against a group with far better zvz than CH has. CH (like all the people who go for hive) don't have the best micro, and hyuk likes to all in. As good of a MU as ZvZ can get

S2 <bloody ridge> stats

I think Stats is over rated, and he wasn't good at PvZ to begin with. S2's muta control will pick him apart before he can establish a third

soo <la mancha> barracks

really torn on this one. Similar experience, similar records, but soo does have the individual league success, and barracks hasn't played anyone with ZvT as good as soo (which is weird because he isn't that good at it). When in doubt, go with the coaching staff: ssoo wins.


best <fortress> hoejja

Sorry best, PvZ

bisu <eots> flash

Bisu will probably get another crazy strat like he did for WL finals, but I just can't pick against flash. I think he is favored against everyone with very few exceptions.

best <circuit breaker> Flash

And Best is one of those exceptions. He just has flash's number. Best will be practicing almost exclusively PvT, while Flash (on limited practice time) has to practice multiple MUs.

So what I am saying is SKT wins 4-0 thanks to the zergs. weird.


Stats is overrated but you're predicting SKT zergs to sweep? I'm pretty damn sure neither zerg lineup is sweeping.
Remember Violet.
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 17:24:03
August 02 2011 17:22 GMT
#96
Who have actually won the pole for making this thread? ( not a flame I just can't remember )

edit: I forgot something HYPE HYPE HYPE! Till saturday is still so much time
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 02 2011 17:23 GMT
#97
On August 03 2011 02:22 jaQi wrote:
Who have actually won the pole for making this thread? ( not a flame I just can't remember )

disciple.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
August 02 2011 17:24 GMT
#98
On August 03 2011 02:23 Lightwip wrote:
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On August 03 2011 02:22 jaQi wrote:
Who have actually won the pole for making this thread? ( not a flame I just can't remember )

disciple.


Thx
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
August 02 2011 17:26 GMT
#99
On August 03 2011 01:52 zenMaster wrote:
Gotta hate how all KT coach does is whine about how hard times their team have been through. Who actually goes through hard times when you have Flash on your team? Don't whine when your players suck like crap.


Yeah, Violet getting cancer is no biggie, right?
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2094 Posts
August 02 2011 17:31 GMT
#100
It worries me that KT has 3 zergs in their recent line up and so does SKT. I really hope that there won't be 3 ZvZ in the finals. How annoying would that be? And then to top it off maybe a cheesy fantasy vs Flash and a short Bisu vs Stats or something. That would be a disaster.

I am a bit worried about the quality of the games...
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