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Klaca
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
318 Posts
August 19 2011 17:30 GMT
#7841
only thing that can stop flash right now is a zerg - either a midgame lurkling/mutaling bust or a lategame management win. protoss just doesnt quite have the oomph at the very highest level to reach the most insane performance
khersai
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland366 Posts
August 19 2011 17:30 GMT
#7842
I think Best was quite happy with the direction the game took, he got to the point when he was in his comfort zone. Too bad Flash adapted to it by taking super early 4th while still being on 5 facts only and Best didnt readjust his strategy at all. That 4th had "punish me" written all over its face. Still it was scary, had Best make Flash lose his momentum even for a second and push him back it could've been a whole different story. Great positioning and some clutch emps from Flash tho
will the Legendary Protoss please stand up, please stand up
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
August 19 2011 17:31 GMT
#7843
VODs are up

HOLY CRAP COACH PARK YOU LOOKED LIKE A BOSS.
WriterXiao8~~
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 17:34:46
August 19 2011 17:33 GMT
#7844
On August 20 2011 02:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 01:57 Ryo wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:54 Ryo wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:52 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:51 kdgns wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:48 Kira Yamato wrote:
Yeah I now SKT zergs can take out Hoejja and Stats , but today they totally threw their game, they losed in a ugly ways. And I think SKT has more chance to beat KT in regular format than winner format, but sometime life is cruel, we must wait one more year to take down KT :<


Haha you say that, but one of the main reasons I'm really happy that KT won these back to back is that next year, I'm thinking it's gonna be KT and SKT battling just to get to the finals vs CJ. #2 seed without Effort, I can only imagine how good they're gonna be next year with him!


you think KT can get to the finals with flash going into surgery?


Flash's surgery is next month. There's going to be multiple months of layoffs and another year until the finals. So yes, I do.

It's next month? So he's skipping MSL? Because I doubt he can recover in time for that.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253952

Says he's doing it after SPL and OSL, so presumably so.

Then someone will have to take his spot in the Ro32. Another wildcard match? Complicated.


but doesn't MSL start after the post season?

Flash's surgery is sometime after the OSL Final which will be held on 10th September. MSL Ro32 begins in October, after the off-season.

Edit:
Of course, if Flash gets knocked out before the OSL Final, his surgery will be earlier.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
August 19 2011 17:35 GMT
#7845
[image loading]

hmm

hmmmm

hmmmm......what the fuck?
WriterXiao8~~
Legend`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada381 Posts
August 19 2011 17:38 GMT
#7846
On August 20 2011 02:31 Kipsate wrote:
VODs are up

HOLY CRAP COACH PARK YOU LOOKED LIKE A BOSS.


Wheres the vods?
NME.352 GM NA Protoss
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 17:39:57
August 19 2011 17:39 GMT
#7847
On August 20 2011 02:35 Kipsate wrote:
[image loading]

hmm

hmmmm

hmmmm......what the fuck?



It owns, that's what.
Remember Violet.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 19 2011 17:39 GMT
#7848
On August 20 2011 02:35 Kipsate wrote:
[image loading]

hmm

hmmmm

hmmmm......what the fuck?


GG mAN wtf coach you are supposed to marry your wife and not hoejja =.= . Lol lol i am joking too XD awesome ceremony well thought out .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 19 2011 17:40 GMT
#7849
On August 20 2011 02:38 Legend` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 02:31 Kipsate wrote:
VODs are up

HOLY CRAP COACH PARK YOU LOOKED LIKE A BOSS.


Wheres the vods?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50875&currentpage=420

The small vod thread! For all your vod needs!
Remember Violet.
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
August 19 2011 17:49 GMT
#7850
Just watched the vods up to game 7 (which is still processing =/). Incredible finals and I loved all the ceremonies lol. Bw <3
Dodge arrows
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
August 19 2011 17:59 GMT
#7851
On August 20 2011 02:30 khersai wrote:
I think Best was quite happy with the direction the game took, he got to the point when he was in his comfort zone. Too bad Flash adapted to it by taking super early 4th while still being on 5 facts only and Best didnt readjust his strategy at all. That 4th had "punish me" written all over its face. Still it was scary, had Best make Flash lose his momentum even for a second and push him back it could've been a whole different story. Great positioning and some clutch emps from Flash tho


The manner Engineering Bay ruined the game for Best, so I don't agree with you at all. Typically when Protoss takes a ramped third base they will put an early Pylon there then the Observatory then 1 more Pylon to wall off the unprotected entrance. Since Best had to improvise when he saw the manner ebay at his protected third, Best couldn't get the wall at his new third base location (He had already started his Observatory in his base). Best ended up losing at least 7 Probes at his third base. Moreover, due to Best's improvised third base positioning...Best had to go up to 6 Gateways before starting his Arbiter tech. This is because if Flash went for a 4 Factory push, Best's unideal third base location would be susceptible to a push in a 4 Factory vs 4 Gateway game. Best would, however, hold off the push if he got his third at the protected mineral only location. By the time Best's Arbiters finally came out Flash already had a Science Vessel with EMP and another coming out. This left a Terran vs a Protoss with an equal army size and Best had only 4 HTs to make up for how behind he was. Best was not in an ideal situation, nor was he in the situation he wanted to be in.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
August 19 2011 18:21 GMT
#7852
On August 20 2011 02:59 tryummm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 02:30 khersai wrote:
I think Best was quite happy with the direction the game took, he got to the point when he was in his comfort zone. Too bad Flash adapted to it by taking super early 4th while still being on 5 facts only and Best didnt readjust his strategy at all. That 4th had "punish me" written all over its face. Still it was scary, had Best make Flash lose his momentum even for a second and push him back it could've been a whole different story. Great positioning and some clutch emps from Flash tho


The manner Engineering Bay ruined the game for Best, so I don't agree with you at all. Typically when Protoss takes a ramped third base they will put an early Pylon there then the Observatory then 1 more Pylon to wall off the unprotected entrance. Since Best had to improvise when he saw the manner ebay at his protected third, Best couldn't get the wall at his new third base location (He had already started his Observatory in his base). Best ended up losing at least 7 Probes at his third base. Moreover, due to Best's improvised third base positioning...Best had to go up to 6 Gateways before starting his Arbiter tech. This is because if Flash went for a 4 Factory push, Best's unideal third base location would be susceptible to a push in a 4 Factory vs 4 Gateway game. Best would, however, hold off the push if he got his third at the protected mineral only location. By the time Best's Arbiters finally came out Flash already had a Science Vessel with EMP and another coming out. This left a Terran vs a Protoss with an equal army size and Best had only 4 HTs to make up for how behind he was. Best was not in an ideal situation, nor was he in the situation he wanted to be in.


Wow, thats a very high level and interesting analysis, wish I understood more broodwar. I do think the main reason he lost was not putting any pressure on Flash's 4th at all and not staying on 3 base for too long.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 18:40:03
August 19 2011 18:39 GMT
#7853
Does anyone know what build Flash used in his first game against Best?A really brutal push that was.

(I should copy that).
WriterXiao8~~
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
August 19 2011 18:43 GMT
#7854
it's the "emp every single arbiter" build.
I drop suckas like Plinko
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
August 19 2011 18:43 GMT
#7855
Apart from all the usual things (timings etc), the main reason Flash won was the EMPs. Best basically didn't get a stasis off until after he had lost his main.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
August 19 2011 18:45 GMT
#7856
I meant the Fortress game.
WriterXiao8~~
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 19 2011 18:49 GMT
#7857
It's a Flash specific build. The best I or anyone has given it is a "Super FD" build, though this one started off as a normal FD and transitioned into a contain.
Remember Violet.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 19 2011 18:50 GMT
#7858
Hey.. Hey Best.. hey Best... hey Besty Westy~
FUCK YOU!
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
August 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#7859
On August 19 2011 22:12 Zona wrote:
Well, a fitting end to my "career" as a broodwar fan, I suppose.

NO ZONA!!!

Never stop being a BW fan... greatest game of all time. Didn't this series show that??
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
August 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#7860
Flash showing how S class players do it! Congrats KT and thanks SKT for making it one of the better SPL finals :D
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
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