Everything copied at last minute from Yeti's day 1 thread, thanks (and sorry) to Yeti. Thanks to structuralinertia also and all the BW fans, couldn't do this without you!
Woongjin Stars vs Samsung KHAN Day 3 Shinhan Bank Proleague '10-'11, Postseason week 1 Sunday, July 12, 2011 18:00 KST (09:30 GMT (+00:00)) The Maps
Translation of the winner's interview thanks to wassbix2:
Following questions directed at ZerO: » How do you feel ? » I feel glad that the team made it ahead. » How did it feel to meet a terran? » I expected Stork. » I saw turn and I got scared » but the coach helped my mind control » and it helped my play » 4 win vs khan » what changed in you » this time i messed up in indiv league » and i learned things from it that helped my post season play » but i still feel i need to play better » is anyone even reading this lol
Say something for Flash » that time I learned alot from flash » so even if i lost i learned alot and now that ive learned i think its time for some payback » i want to repay my debt to him » do you want to vs flash » well you know the coach does that match making
Questions for Soulkey:
» How do you feel » I felt that I HAD to win » I had confidence and that now I won I feel so happy » Woojin zergs were always strong did you want someone else on your team to win » I wanted light to win but he met a toss.... » when you saw light win what did yo ufeel » I felt that we won » Last wordsÈ » My condition wasnt the best and people were worried but now i feel fully recovered and ill show my best vs kt » I feel very good
Questions for Light: This is my first season on woojin and now that we made playoff i feel happy and want to do our best » To the coach » How do you feel about winning a series people didnt expect from you » I expected an easy win but things got complicated » and it was very tiring » It was very hard to make entry vs khan
Questions for Woonjin Stars' coach: I didnt have free in the 6th set but I put him in last minute » I wanted to help him blah blah he talks too much » In your opinion whats your plan vs flash I want to dodge him with a filler card » lololol word with free » For Really and etc please dont be harsh on them » it breaks my heart when fans are hard on them for losing
Questions for Free: Free you are still losing how do you feel » I lost and i feel awful for making zero carry the team » but vs KT I want to help them and repay all their work » anywords for your teammates who are performing in your behalf » normally when I lose the team lost but now that its only me losing but im so grateful that they are carrying my weight » who do you want to take out on KT the bastard that will end your losing streak » the coach said he didnt want to use the golden three vs flash so Ill take him out » and Ill turn around my situation
Well boys, things have gotten a little interesting. We find ourselves in the the third and final match. The winner is one step close to getting shipped into China thrown in front of a bunch of smaller asian people. Why is it good they're smaller u ask? So we can fit more people into the bloody stadium.
In the locker room with KHAN: Right about now January threatens to piss herself. Not cause she's stressed about winning or losing, but because she's run out of ways to make insane lineups that will shOck[/tlpd] the audience. The Only thing that could make it crazier is for her to slice her right tit off and have it 4pool Light.
Now let's get down to business. JangBi has become quite the disappointment. Will he win a game today? Last week everyone would cheer yes. But you are all wrong. JangBiiS not a beast and he will not become ONE. Leave it to the True heroes man. Stork will win. Why? He stopped playing other video games and has buckled down. But this match will go to 7. So we see TurN, Reality, and Always. They are Solid terrans and will be good against Stars. Sadly, two will lose. This leaves with our hero great. He has something brewing I can feel it. The ice cold Chill of January iS breathing Into the humid night of this Summer softly whispering Great. He will win. Then Ace will happen, and great gets sent again and they lose.
In the locker room with Stars: The team chemisty with Stars its What has to bother everyone. They have had a few player changes along with some seemingly Strange interviews. The need to come out strong. WJS zergs have this on lockdown. ZerO and SK easy wins. Followed with a Victory by Really yet again. The rest of the team turns to trash with the exception of a very well played Light game.
In the final Ace ZerO gets sents. He can't be stopped so Jan. sends great Into grudge match where ZerO prevails as Always.
What we've learned from this. My predictions are Always wrong so Khan will win. Thank You
What is this hype network bs? Jangbi's last game he got smashed in was really cool and creative. Khan is doing well considering how no one has developed there since THE TWIN CANNONS OF KHAN not so long ago.
I'm disappointed that Jang is 0-2 so far. He has not played poorly by any means, and Soulkey and ZerO are top quality opponents. But he needs a win to help his momentum heading into the OSL.
Dream Matchups tonight:
Stork > ZerO JangBi > Soulkey Light > great and some other things for a nice 4-1 Khan win
Don't know who to root for... T_T I like both team cause of Stork/Jangbi and Zero/Soulkey. Well... may the better team advance! So both Khan and Stars fighting!
I betted (a drink) on Woongjin, but thinking about more they look rather vulnerable due to sheer choking potential. Samsung looks to be a lot more resilient vs other teams, so im hoping for Khan to win and demolish the evil that is CJ. Khan hwaiting!
On July 12 2011 16:24 ffreakk wrote: May the best team win
I betted (a drink) on Woongjin, but thinking about more they look rather vulnerable due to sheer choking potential. Samsung looks to be a lot more resilient vs other teams, so im hoping for Khan to win and demolish the evil that is CJ. Khan hwaiting!
stork played well, his micro is definitely superior, i thought he was seriously fucked up when the bunker is there, but wtf the T never put any marines inside?
Why did Brave have to get so greedy with his army? He fended off the raging onslaught and so pushed far away from where he'd be able to reinforce with all those extra templar he built...
On July 12 2011 20:58 RJGooner wrote: Everybody looking forward to a Zero vs. Juni ace match?
Thanks god Chavi went to ACE. It's new empire of the sun, she could send Reality or great. Stork has no confidence against Zero. Jangbi could be ok, but Reality would be the player to send on such a TvZ imba map.
edit im typing too slow, Turn is out; hope its gonna be an epic ace match !
Neither Stork nor Jangbi would beat Zer0 and with Great out of shape, it is probably the right call... hopefully Turn has prepared some nice build for this match.
Wow, can't believe they sent out turn. :O He probably has some sick build in store for Zero. Maybe he has stolen Reality's kitchen sink build from hell?
On July 12 2011 21:04 RJGooner wrote: Hmm can any Khan fans explain why Turn instead of Reality?
Turn has a little more experience, and maybe January thinks he can handle the pressure better. We saw Reality playing very well against Really and then slowly falling apart. This is the ace game of the ace game.
On July 12 2011 21:09 jjhchsc2 wrote: Doesnt TurN have good tvz?
It's probably his best match-up, since he likes to be aggressive and TvZ is all about aggression. However, if he can't kill Zero within 10-15 minutes, he won't win.
On July 12 2011 21:06 Holgerius wrote: Wow, can't believe they sent out turn. :O He probably has some sick build in store for Zero. Maybe he has stolen Reality's kitchen sink build from hell?
I knew that she might send out either TurN or Reality because the map is terribly imbalanced in Terran's favor in TvZ. Look at its stats and stats of Empire of the Sun (not the new one) and Woongjin probably can't take the risk of sending either free or Light into Stork in such an important game for them.
On July 12 2011 21:22 krndandaman wrote: extremely fast tech from turn. hes probably going for a fast timing attack that hits probably even before hive starts
On July 12 2011 21:22 krndandaman wrote: extremely fast tech from turn. hes probably going for a fast timing attack that hits probably even before hive starts
On July 12 2011 21:27 SkyLegenD wrote: Can someone tell me why Khan's coach sent TURN out of ALL THE PLAYERS
it was EotS , both jangbi and stork havent won against zero in forever. TUrn probably was the correct choice
Its noones shame to lose to Zero, but Turn choked hard. He can play really great, but reality woulda probally been the more reliable choice since he atleast had experience not to choke vs Jaedong in the MSL
On July 12 2011 21:27 Turbovolver wrote: I mean seriously, say what you want about the map and Stork vs Z, but newly reformed Glasses Stork would be performing better than this.
Relax, the new Stork went 2-0 in games defending cheeses. That does not necessarily imply he would take a player of Zeros calibre down ezpz.
On July 12 2011 21:27 SkyLegenD wrote: Can someone tell me why Khan's coach sent TURN out of ALL THE PLAYERS
Well, KHAN's P got beaten pretty badly the whole series by ZerO/Soulkey. Given recent play I would have sent Reality (or just sent Stork anyway and relied on his ace-ness), but I can see where if you have TurN practicing just for the one game it could seem reasonable.
On July 12 2011 21:29 kuroshiroi wrote: Should have sent Reality. He's much more stable and would've cheesed the hell out of Zero. Standard play doesn't cut it against Zero or JD.
that wasn't really standard
turn initially thought about a stim rush but after seeing alot of lings, went for a fast timing attack which is pretty all-in
I mean something super cheesy like BBS. Zero's weakness is the early game. Let him get uncontested to 2-3 bases and he'll probably win.
Reality would've been a better choice against Light or Really too. But, oh well.
On July 12 2011 21:30 Xiphos wrote: NO, should send in Stork!!!! Even if Stork didn't practice on that map, Stork would still have played better than TurN!
umm... Stork.....in a PvZ........during a super acematch and in a Zerg favored map?
Anyway khan cannot win the whole thing, will be out sooner or later. Being in playoffs to play 3 series is good enough. Fuck khan lineup is always weak. You know u are in trouble in bw if your strongest players are protoss.
On July 12 2011 21:27 SkyLegenD wrote: Can someone tell me why Khan's coach sent TURN out of ALL THE PLAYERS
1- Stork's PvZ sucks 2- Jangbi's PvZ doesn't suck as hard as Stork's, but still he can't take ZerO's ZvP on. He pretty much showed that at the first set. 3- Map has a terribly imbalanced TvZ. Both old version and new one. 4- Considering the fact that map isn't that imbalanced TvP, it's probably because bio works so good, bio means aggression, which plays for TurN's style. 5- Woongjin couldn't take the risk of sending Light or free because neither have dependable vPs, and January knows that better than I do.
On July 12 2011 21:36 Baddieko wrote: Anyway khan cannot win the whole thing, will be out sooner or later. Being in playoffs to play 3 series is good enough. Fuck khan lineup is always weak. You know u are in trouble in bw if your strongest players are protoss.
On July 12 2011 21:27 SkyLegenD wrote: Can someone tell me why Khan's coach sent TURN out of ALL THE PLAYERS
1- Stork's PvZ sucks 2- Jangbi's PvZ doesn't suck as hard as Stork's, but still he can't take ZerO's ZvP on. He pretty much showed that at the first set. 3- Map has a terribly imbalanced TvZ. Both old version and new one. 4- Considering the fact that map isn't that imbalanced TvP, it's probably because bio works so good, bio means aggression, which plays for TurN's style. 5- Woongjin couldn't take the risk of sending Light or free because neither have dependable vPs, and January knows that better than I do.
+ 6. Turn is the only Khan terran with experience on EOTS (7ish games)
On July 12 2011 21:31 bearbuddy wrote: In other news:
Zero-SK-Light Big 3: 9 wins 1 loss Rest of WJN: 1-8
=_=
Reminds me of SKT zergs last playoffs.
Now January must really regret that she sent Juni on Sunday....
Well, it was alternative, which is considered like a zerg version of central plains (not as bad though). But she could send out great as well. Speaking of great, what happened to him?
On July 12 2011 21:27 Turbovolver wrote: I mean seriously, say what you want about the map and Stork vs Z, but newly reformed Glasses Stork would be performing better than this.
Relax, the new Stork went 2-0 in games defending cheeses. That does not necessarily imply he would take a player of Zeros calibre down ezpz.
Of course it wouldn't be ezpz, I'm a big Zero fan too, he's great. But Turn choked and choked hard, at the end of the day. And that counts at least as much as any map imba.
On July 12 2011 21:27 SkyLegenD wrote: Can someone tell me why Khan's coach sent TURN out of ALL THE PLAYERS
1- Stork's PvZ sucks 2- Jangbi's PvZ doesn't suck as hard as Stork's, but still he can't take ZerO's ZvP on. He pretty much showed that at the first set. 3- Map has a terribly imbalanced TvZ. Both old version and new one. 4- Considering the fact that map isn't that imbalanced TvP, it's probably because bio works so good, bio means aggression, which plays for TurN's style. 5- Woongjin couldn't take the risk of sending Light or free because neither have dependable vPs, and January knows that better than I do.
+ 6. Turn is the only Khan terran with experience on EOTS (7ish games)
[but neither Stork's nor Jangbi's PvZ "sucks"]
Jangbi would be pretty bad to send out, especially after he lost to ZerO once in Aztec. Stork? Well, his PvZ actually sucks. He won against Woon and ZerG, but playing a PvZ against ZerO is worse than playing 1v2 against Woon and ZerG with P (neither are off racing).
On July 12 2011 21:27 SkyLegenD wrote: Can someone tell me why Khan's coach sent TURN out of ALL THE PLAYERS
1- Stork's PvZ sucks 2- Jangbi's PvZ doesn't suck as hard as Stork's, but still he can't take ZerO's ZvP on. He pretty much showed that at the first set. 3- Map has a terribly imbalanced TvZ. Both old version and new one. 4- Considering the fact that map isn't that imbalanced TvP, it's probably because bio works so good, bio means aggression, which plays for TurN's style. 5- Woongjin couldn't take the risk of sending Light or free because neither have dependable vPs, and January knows that better than I do.
+ 6. Turn is the only Khan terran with experience on EOTS (7ish games)
[but neither Stork's nor Jangbi's PvZ "sucks"]
PvZ is easily Storks worst matchup, he doesn't suck, but it's just profoundly mediocre. And while Jangbi has been hot as hell lately, well game one and Eots is no Aztec.
On July 12 2011 21:44 Djagulingu wrote: Jangbi would be pretty bad to send out, especially after he lost to ZerO once in Aztec. Stork? Well, his PvZ actually sucks. He won against Woon and ZerG, but playing a PvZ against ZerO is worse than playing 1v2 against Woon and ZerG with P (neither are off racing).
Stork is the #3 Protoss at PvZ according to ELO. Yes, he had a bad spell for a bit there, if you want to argue recent performance, but that was pre-glasses.
And like, do you actually watch his games? Even the PvZ's he's been losing haven't been horrible, and two were 5 pools x.x
On July 12 2011 21:31 bearbuddy wrote: In other news:
Zero-SK-Light Big 3: 9 wins 1 loss Rest of WJN: 1-8
=_=
Reminds me of SKT zergs last playoffs.
Now January must really regret that she sent Juni on Sunday....
Well, it was alternative, which is considered like a zerg version of central plains (not as bad though). But she could send out great as well. Speaking of great, what happened to him?
Protoss lost only one game on that map though. Alternative: ZvP: 17-22 (43.6%) or 13-19 (40.6%) minus Dream League stats.
Translation of the winner's interview thanks to wassbix2:
Questions for Zero: » How do you feel? I feel glad that the team made it ahead.
» How did it feel to meet a terran? I expected Stork. I saw turn and I got scared but the coach helped my mind control and it helped my play.
» You have 4 win vs khan what changed in you? This time i messed up in individual league and I learned things from it that helped my post season play but I still feel I need to play better.
» Say something for Flash. That time (referring to MSL) I learnt alot from Flash so even if I lost I learned alot and now that I've learnt I think its time for some payback. I want to repay my debt to him.
» Do you want to vs Flash? Well you know the coach does that match making.
Questions for Soulkey: »How do you feel? I felt that I HAD to win. I had confidence and that now I won I feel so happy.
»Woonjin zergs were always strong did you want someone else on your team to win? I wanted light to win but he met a toss....
»When you saw light win what did you feel? I felt that we won.
»Any last words? My condition wasnt the best and people were worried but now I feel fully recovered and I'll show my best vs KT. I feel very good.
Questions for Light: This is my first season on woojin and now that we made playoff I feel happy and want to do our best.
Questions for Woonjin Stars' coach: » How do you feel about winning a series people didnt expect from you I expected an easy win but things got complicated and it was very tiring. It was very hard to make entry vs khan.
I didnt have free in the 6th set but I put him in last minute I wanted to help him blah blah he talks too much
» In your opinion whats your plan vs Flash? I want to dodge him with a filler card.
For Really and etc please dont be harsh on them, it breaks my heart when fans are hard on them for losing
Questions for Free: »Free you are still losing how do you feel? I lost and i feel awful for making zero carry the team but vs KT I want to help them and repay all their work
» Anywords for your teammates who are performing in your behalf? Normally when I lose the team lost but now that its only me losing but im so grateful that they are carrying my weight.
» Who do you want to take out on KT the bastard that will end your losing streak? The coach said he didnt want to use the golden three vs Flash so I'll take him out and I'll turn around my situation.
On July 12 2011 21:27 Turbovolver wrote: I mean seriously, say what you want about the map and Stork vs Z, but newly reformed Glasses Stork would be performing better than this.
Relax, the new Stork went 2-0 in games defending cheeses. That does not necessarily imply he would take a player of Zeros calibre down ezpz.
Of course it wouldn't be ezpz, I'm a big Zero fan too, he's great. But Turn choked and choked hard, at the end of the day. And that counts at least as much as any map imba.
Yep agreed there but even without the choking Zero wasn't in bad position, he delayed hive to beat the push with lair tech and with that many lurkers he would've smashed that army even if it was properly positioned, just with more losses. There was just not enough infantry because he teched after only 2raxes and imho Zero was reacting properly.
On July 12 2011 21:44 Djagulingu wrote: Jangbi would be pretty bad to send out, especially after he lost to ZerO once in Aztec. Stork? Well, his PvZ actually sucks. He won against Woon and ZerG, but playing a PvZ against ZerO is worse than playing 1v2 against Woon and ZerG with P (neither are off racing).
Stork is the #3 Protoss at PvZ according to ELO. Yes, he had a bad spell for a bit there, if you want to argue recent performance, but that was pre-glasses.
And like, do you actually watch his games? Even the PvZ's he's been losing haven't been horrible, and two were 5 pools x.x
Yeah, and one of them was forgetting to research storm.
Some translations I grabbed from Wassbix2 on live interviews: zero : go 4-0 vs khanÉ » How do you feel » I feel glad that the team made it ahead » How did it feel to meet a terran » I expected Stork » I saw turn and i got scared » but the coach helped my mind control » and it helped my play » 4 win vs khan » what changed in you » this time i messed up in indiv league » and i learned things from it that helped my post season play » but i still feel i need to play better
missed a few sentences
Say something for Flash » that time I learned alot from flash » so even if i lost i learned alot and now that ive learned i think its time for some payback » i want to repay my debt to him » do you want to vs flash » well you know the coach does that match making
» How do you feel » I felt that I HAD to win » I had confidence and that now I won I feel so happy » Woojin zergs were always strong did you want someone else on your team to win » I wanted light to win but he met a toss.... » when you saw light win what did yo ufeel » I felt that we won
Light: » soulkey and zero are zerg which are imba vs toss » so this was easy for them I heard KT won and that made me relaxed » honestly KT is easier than STX » They have flash but the rest is you know... but still Ill put all my effort » Will you get flash » no I want to dodge him This is my first season on woojin and now that we made playoff i feel happy and want to do our best » To the coach » How do you feel about winning a series people didnt expect from you » I expected an easy win but things got complicated » and it was very tiring » It was very hard to make entry vs khan
word with free » For Really and etc please dont be harsh on them » it breaks my heart when fans are hard on them for losing » Free you are still losing how do you feel » I lost and i feel awful for making zero carry the team » but vs KT I want to help them and repay all their work normally when I lose the team lost but now that its only me losing but im so grateful that they are carrying my weight » who do you want to take out on KT the bastard that will end your losing streak » the coach said he didnt want to use the golden three vs flash so Ill take him out and Ill turn around my situation
Stars was just a very unfortunate match-up for Khan. When your best players are Stork and Jangbi, and the opponent has Soulkey and Zer0, it is just an uphill battle when it comes to ACE-matches. That Jangbi managed to run into those two three games in a row was really unfortunate, although he should have taken at least one game to show that his recent resurgance is more than just a lucky run.
Dubious choice to field a player who didn't play for almost a month for an Ace game of this magnitude. But then she wouldn't be January if she didn't do this.
Even though Great is slumping he would be the best choice to take on Zero. Its sad really that Khan has absolutely no zerg sniper. Every other team has atleast a zvz or tvz specialist if they don't have a general S-class player.
On July 13 2011 03:34 pylonsalad wrote: Even though Great is slumping he would be the best choice to take on Zero. Its sad really that Khan has absolutely no zerg sniper. Every other team has atleast a zvz or tvz specialist if they don't have a general S-class player.
This guy is right on every points. Come on, we ALL want to see Hive tech ZvZ don't we? Gosh, I am running out of things to burn!
So disappointed at the results. UGH -_- well played Stars, I'm rooting for you now because I don't really like the other teams and you guys have Light/Really, two great Terrans.
On July 13 2011 04:32 RezChi wrote: WHY TURN FOR ACE? January WHY!?
Because it was the right call? stop blaming January every time your team's players fail, she was right to send TurN.
Right call? Sending out a rookie in that situation isn't the right call. Now he must feel like he lost his teams chances of finals. Not to mention TurN isn't known for clutch plays, even sending Stork, JangBi, or even Reality would have been better due to his match plays against JD. Grapes PvZ isn't bad either.
On July 13 2011 04:32 RezChi wrote: WHY TURN FOR ACE? January WHY!?
Because it was the right call? stop blaming January every time your team's players fail, she was right to send TurN.
Right call? Sending out a rookie in that situation isn't the right call. Now he must feel like he lost his teams chances of finals. Not to mention TurN isn't known for clutch plays, even sending Stork, JangBi, or even Reality would have been better due to his match plays against JD. Grapes PvZ isn't bad either.
I find it funny that you say sending out a rookie (TurN) is not the right call but you suggest Reality instead..
1. NEotS is T>>Z>>P~T. Since Woongjin would have sent either Zero, Soulkey or Light, going with a toss player is not the greatest call. 2. Stork's vZ is not good these days, and Jangbi already went 0-3 against woongjin zergs during this series, which in addition to point 1 makes Stork/Jangbi even less desirable. 3. Khan doesn't have a good vZ sniper atm (w/ great slumping). 4. Given the map, and the likelyhood of facing a zerg, going with a terran player is the way to go. Lets look at Khan terrans: Reality and Turn (Sharp isn't really worth discussing). Neither is great vZ/vT but both have potential. TurN imo is more reliable vs Zerg (and is slightly ahead in vZ ELO).
Neither is favored against Zero or Soulkey, but with the map its certainly doable. In fact, if you watched the game TurN was in a good position to win it as of the moment he moved out, but handled his push poorly and left his nat open.
I wonder why it is you think that Reality would have fared so much better than TurN.. I can see it now, Reality goes out and loses, and out come the cries of "why Reality for ace? January why?!". People love to rag on January, and in their defense they're often right with her dubious calls. This time though she didn't actually do anything wrong.
On July 12 2011 21:31 bearbuddy wrote: In other news:
Zero-SK-Light Big 3: 9 wins 1 loss Rest of WJN: 1-8
=_=
remember back when free was good? T___T
Just saw this, heh.
Yeah, and Free teamkilled Zero out of OSL, lol. He needs to travel to India with Guemchi to get their mojo back, since WJN's toss line is the new WJN terran line.
I am so impressed with how the big 3 performed for Stars in this series 4-0 zero 3-0 SK and 2-1 light is just insane performance especially given the pressure is on. I don't see how KT even has a chance given how bad the KT coach is at picking players for maps.
On July 13 2011 04:32 RezChi wrote: WHY TURN FOR ACE? January WHY!?
Because it was the right call? stop blaming January every time your team's players fail, she was right to send TurN.
Right call? Sending out a rookie in that situation isn't the right call. Now he must feel like he lost his teams chances of finals. Not to mention TurN isn't known for clutch plays, even sending Stork, JangBi, or even Reality would have been better due to his match plays against JD. Grapes PvZ isn't bad either.
I find it funny that you say sending out a rookie (TurN) is not the right call but you suggest Reality instead..
1. NEotS is T>>Z>>P~T. Since Woongjin would have sent either Zero, Soulkey or Light, going with a toss player is not the greatest call. 2. Stork's vZ is not good these days, and Jangbi already went 0-3 against woongjin zergs during this series, which in addition to point 1 makes Stork/Jangbi even less desirable. 3. Khan doesn't have a good vZ sniper atm (w/ great slumping). 4. Given the map, and the likelyhood of facing a zerg, going with a terran player is the way to go. Lets look at Khan terrans: Reality and Turn (Sharp isn't really worth discussing). Neither is great vZ/vT but both have potential. TurN imo is more reliable vs Zerg (and is slightly ahead in vZ ELO).
Neither is favored against Zero or Soulkey, but with the map its certainly doable. In fact, if you watched the game TurN was in a good position to win it as of the moment he moved out, but handled his push poorly and left his nat open.
I wonder why it is you think that Reality would have fared so much better than TurN.. I can see it now, Reality goes out and loses, and out come the cries of "why Reality for ace? January why?!". People love to rag on January, and in their defense they're often right with her dubious calls. This time though she didn't actually do anything wrong.
"Even Reality would have been better due to his match plays against JD" did you not read the "even"? Reality is better then TurN, even the rookie award ranking says so. TurN was on a roll in the beginning but died out. If you watched reality's games against JD you can see that reality would probably have been a much better choice then TurN in that type of situation and against a Zerg. Also since it's ace match shouldn't you send out your "ace" player? Why else would they be called ace if they don't play and perform well in aces matchs. Storks PvZ isn't his best, but in crunch time he goes into super saiyan mode especially when he's playing against JD. JangBi's PvZ is good, just because he lost to 3 star zerg doesn't mean that he will definately lose the next one. Not to mention the games he was actually in a very good position but just 1 or 2 mistakes cost him the games.
On July 12 2011 18:08 Kipsate wrote: This match might actually be the deciding game.
On July 12 2011 18:24 nbaker wrote: Zero showing he can come up with boss builds as well. 3-0 in playoffs baby! If it comes to it, he'll go 4-0 ezpz.
You guys picked it. Jangbi was in killer form coming into the finals but ended up going 0-3. Zero simply killed everybody - although I agree if Turn had microed his army properly Zero would've been in trouble. Base-trading with a Terran = bad for Zerg right?
ok I'd just like to remind everyone that january actually has access to the practice games data and knows her player a LOT better then we all do and thus if she sent turn instead of reality there's a good reason
Januray has been khan's coach for YEARS, a bad coach can't hold on for so long so I'd like people to stop treating her as such.
edit: also, stop complaining about Juni over great, if great never was sent out it probably means that
A) He sucked in in-house games for quite a while and Juni has been doing better B) he has personal problems that won't let him focus on his play
again January has access to in-house data and thus she is in a much better position then we all are to decide if sending Juni over great is a good idea.
you guys can be mad at the players for losing the series but ffs stop blaming january for everything (who managed to abuse the holes in star's line-up to push this series to a deciding ace match even though star's line-up is far stronger on paper. she also managed to bloom many new rookies for khan such as Turn,reality,sharp, Brave and Grape. Januray deserves respect for her great coaching this season.)
On July 13 2011 00:56 xXFireandIceXx wrote: aw man this is gonna be hard on KHAN. I mean, so many of their fundamental players are just not able to come out with wins.
KHAN's got to be heavy favorites going into next year though, if maybe not quite even with the machine that is CJ (I mean, seriously, Hydra/EffOrt/Leta/Horang2/Movie for next year is ridiculous) or the Empire that is T1.
Assume Stork and Jangbi are even decent. But the core of KHAN's rotation - Grape, Reality, TurN - were rookies this year and ought to show improvement next year. In addition, you can be hopeful that Sharp and Brave improve a lot as well. Of course, somewhere in there, KHAN needs to find a reliable Zerg, whether they see good things from Byul, or get great back in shape, or something.
KHAN fans should be looking forward to the next season. A little less than a year ago when the new Bo7 format for SPL was announced, Stork seemed like the only decent player on the team and most people (such as myself) predicted KHAN to be competing with OZ for the spot just above ACE. The team's rookies proved those predictions utterly wrong. The only question mark now is how the joker Stork will continue to perform...
I've got to say I'm not surprised at how the series turned out. I wonder what would have happened had KHAN thrown the game against ACE and faced KT instead.
On July 13 2011 22:19 Zona wrote: I've got to say I'm not surprised at how the series turned out. I wonder what would have happened had KHAN thrown the game against ACE and faced KT instead.
Given how good Action and Hoejja have recently been, im sure they too couldve wreaked havoc on Khan like Soulkey and ZerO did.
On July 13 2011 20:11 swanized wrote: ok I'd just like to remind everyone that january actually has access to the practice games data and knows her player a LOT better then we all do and thus if she sent turn instead of reality there's a good reason
Januray has been khan's coach for YEARS, a bad coach can't hold on for so long so I'd like people to stop treating her as such.
edit: also, stop complaining about Juni over great, if great never was sent out it probably means that
A) He sucked in in-house games for quite a while and Juni has been doing better B) he has personal problems that won't let him focus on his play
again January has access to in-house data and thus she is in a much better position then we all are to decide if sending Juni over great is a good idea.
you guys can be mad at the players for losing the series but ffs stop blaming january for everything (who managed to abuse the holes in star's line-up to push this series to a deciding ace match even though star's line-up is far stronger on paper. she also managed to bloom many new rookies for khan such as Turn,reality,sharp, Brave and Grape. Januray deserves respect for her great coaching this season.)
Yeah people who think they know better than January. =_=...
On July 13 2011 22:19 Zona wrote: I've got to say I'm not surprised at how the series turned out. I wonder what would have happened had KHAN thrown the game against ACE and faced KT instead.
I think we would have handled KHAN wuite easily, we are really strong against their P line-up with our zergs and stats has a winning record against both janbi and stork. I'm not saying it would be an easy win but it wouldnt be as tense as KT vs STX day 3.
What's up with Great though? Was he attending any of these playoff games (and was he missing earlier too)? Since even if he was playing really badly in training now, having him sit there as potential opponent for Stars to worry about would still help.
So I'd guess he has some personal issues to distract him, but does anyone have any facts about his situation?
On July 13 2011 22:19 Zona wrote: I've got to say I'm not surprised at how the series turned out. I wonder what would have happened had KHAN thrown the game against ACE and faced KT instead.
Given how good Action and Hoejja have recently been, im sure they too couldve wreaked havoc on Khan like Soulkey and ZerO did.
are we comparing ACTION(10-15 in the last 4 months, 2-5 in the last 2 months) and HOEJJA to soulkey and zero?
On July 13 2011 22:19 Zona wrote: I've got to say I'm not surprised at how the series turned out. I wonder what would have happened had KHAN thrown the game against ACE and faced KT instead.
Given how good Action and Hoejja have recently been, im sure they too couldve wreaked havoc on Khan like Soulkey and ZerO did.
are we comparing ACTION(10-15 in the last 4 months, 2-5 in the last 2 months) and HOEJJA to soulkey and zero?
can I have some of your stuff man?
To be fair, Hoejja is KT's 2nd best player at the moment. That said you are right that Zero and SK are above KT's zerg
On July 13 2011 22:19 Zona wrote: I've got to say I'm not surprised at how the series turned out. I wonder what would have happened had KHAN thrown the game against ACE and faced KT instead.
Given how good Action and Hoejja have recently been, im sure they too couldve wreaked havoc on Khan like Soulkey and ZerO did.
are we comparing ACTION(10-15 in the last 4 months, 2-5 in the last 2 months) and HOEJJA to soulkey and zero?
can I have some of your stuff man?
To be fair, Hoejja is KT's 2nd best player at the moment. That said you are right that Zero and SK are above KT's zerg
The question was how would Khan have done against KT, and I think that HoeJJa and Action (HoeJJa especially) are pretty solid against protoss players. Though clearly not at the same level as Zero and SK overall, they would have been ok vs Jangbi and Stork.
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