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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 11 2011 10:30 GMT
#3361
On June 11 2011 19:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 19:28 Hyde wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:27 moopie wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:26 Hyde wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:22 Torenhire wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:21 Hyde wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:19 Torenhire wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:18 doothegee wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:16 bearbuddy wrote:
Time to punch something then go to sleep. Damn. Congrats to Flash.

Woongjin fan group crying session inc

There's only like five of us anyway


Could be worse, there's only 2 STX fans.

Me and Mustaju. Lol.

Last count on Nov 2010 revealed at least 203 stx tags


lol 203!

Should update the count, I'm actually kinda curious about the TL tags and % of people wearing what.

Hey, it's better than 2 lol, only people I recall with the tags are you, must, cs, and thepol

Yeah I wish they would update it also. I imagine SKT recieves another boost in numbers haha :D

Badges alone don't mean lack of fans :3

Yeah I know, as I'm a fan of a few other teams too :D


I love STX.


And I love CJ! <3

I've actually been a longer CJ fan than STX, I have more favorite players on CJ than STX, but I like STX as a team better.

If that makes any sense lol.

Also ACE = Autolove.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
June 11 2011 10:31 GMT
#3362
On June 11 2011 19:29 aimaimaim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 19:26 letian wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:21 aimaimaim wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:20 Existential wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:19 aimaimaim wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:14 dukethegold wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:14 letian wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:13 Essbee wrote:
That final was still a mile better than any sc2 game.

lol


That proves he doesn't follow SC2. MLG Columbus was the epitome of what E-sport could be.


[image loading]

If MLG can beat this then ..

Hmm what match was this again? :O


Are you serious?

you all seriously underestiamate the money side of all this. It is no wonder that a good game being properly funded, events, prizes etc. sooner or later will conquer such attention. This would never be possible if there was no funding.


This isn't about funding .. This is about Acceptance ..

If all people, old, young, teens, tweens, or what ever their age, their outlooks in life, their lifestyle Accept E-sport, then that can be a reality. If there is still social stigma towards gamers outside korea or china, then this MLG of yours will not be the "Epitome" of E-sport.



Oi oi, did you even read my post?


Perhaps I need to clarify my comment more. MLG was, what I felt, a true international competition of SC. Ignore the fact that Korean took 1,2 and 3. It was nonetheless competitive.

Furthermore, the atmosphere, the drama and the audience that screamed at every little detail and showered the games with so much love was exactly what I hoped to one day see in e-sport. What always draws me back to the mainstream sports was the passion of the audience. The World Cup is truly a great example of passion.

This passion is something I rarely see in e-sport, with rare exceptions here and there. MLG Columbus had plenty of it, albeit on a lesser scale. But it was absolutely what I hoped and wanted.
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
June 11 2011 10:31 GMT
#3363
On June 11 2011 19:29 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 19:28 Simplistik wrote:
Next season Bisu will win something, don't worry.

(Where did that come from?)


Why do we have to wait till next season?

BISU WILL BREAK THE MOST WIN RECORD, WIN THE MOST WIN AWARD AND WIN THE MOTHERF**KING PL FINAL WITH HIS HAIR!

He's actually on his way to breaking the record :O He's tied with it at 57 wins, and could easily surpass the record tomorrow.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 10:33:23
June 11 2011 10:31 GMT
#3364
I couldn't imagine a worse final. -____-

"Very interesting". =_____=

If somehow there was even an explanation what Zero could have done but didn't??? But there isn't such an explanation. Zero seemed to do anything right - and still lost. He never even manager to get out of the defensive. WTF.

If anyone could explain me what ZerO could have done better but didn't - probably I would change my mind about this final. -__-

Competition is when you can do something to win and you opponent can. When you can do something and opponent has no option against it (even if it's hard to perform that "something") - it isn't competition.

Very much wishing Flash to drop out again at like Ro32 or Ro16 by a protoss/terran so that we are saved from such shit again.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
June 11 2011 10:32 GMT
#3365
On June 11 2011 19:29 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 19:28 Simplistik wrote:
Next season Bisu will win something, don't worry.

(Where did that come from?)


Why do we have to wait till next season?

BISU WILL BREAK THE MOST WIN RECORD, WIN THE MOST WIN AWARD AND WIN THE MOTHERF**KING PL FINAL WITH HIS HAIR!

With no other decent toss on the horizon I really do wish it is true. But Bisu somehow manages to scew the things up, when it matters.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
June 11 2011 10:32 GMT
#3366
I think I'm gonna read this entire thread (from where the games began) and bask in Flash's glory.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
June 11 2011 10:32 GMT
#3367
On June 11 2011 19:26 AppleTart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 19:25 kuroshiroi wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:
Why is this thread turning into SC2 vs BW? Anywho, congrats Flash. I sincerely hope you don't surpass NaDa

He's going to win the next OSL and MSL too, if these finals were any indication. Zero is supposed to be the second best Zerg but he got absolutely dominated in every way. The only way Flash isn't winning both next season is if JD gets his shit together, which is getting to be rather unlikely.

These are dark times for BW fans but good times for Flash fans, I guess.


Last season was a very dark time for Flash fans, getting knocked out of both leagues by no namers in like Ro 32 or something

Yes, because 3 months of no individual leagues is so hard? Give me a break, it was a minor bump in the road after he won everything. And he won every game in PL in the meantime. Flash fans have nothing to complain about when compared to any other player in the last 2 years.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 10:33:50
June 11 2011 10:33 GMT
#3368
On June 11 2011 19:32 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 19:26 AppleTart wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:25 kuroshiroi wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:
Why is this thread turning into SC2 vs BW? Anywho, congrats Flash. I sincerely hope you don't surpass NaDa

He's going to win the next OSL and MSL too, if these finals were any indication. Zero is supposed to be the second best Zerg but he got absolutely dominated in every way. The only way Flash isn't winning both next season is if JD gets his shit together, which is getting to be rather unlikely.

These are dark times for BW fans but good times for Flash fans, I guess.


Last season was a very dark time for Flash fans, getting knocked out of both leagues by no namers in like Ro 32 or something

Yes, because 3 months of no individual leagues is so hard? Give me a break, it was a minor bump in the road after he won everything. And he won every game in PL in the meantime. Flash fans have nothing to complain about when compared to any other player in the last 2 years.


Dual golds to dual nothings and getting raped early is pretty big drop. More like a cliff drop.
always tired -_-
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 11 2011 10:33 GMT
#3369
On June 11 2011 19:31 _Quasar_ wrote:
I couldn't imagine a worse final. -____-

"Very interesting". =_____=

If somehow there was even an explanation what Zero could have done but didn't??? But there isn't such an explanation. Zero seemed to do anything right - and still lost. He never even manager to get out of the defensive. WTF.

If anyone could explain me what ZerO could have done better but didn't - probably I would change my mind about this final. -__-


I had the same thoughts...I guess 5 pool, 9 pool speedlings, slow lurker drops...
Jaedong :3
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
June 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#3370
On June 11 2011 19:31 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 19:29 aimaimaim wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:26 letian wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:21 aimaimaim wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:20 Existential wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:19 aimaimaim wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:14 dukethegold wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:14 letian wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:13 Essbee wrote:
That final was still a mile better than any sc2 game.

lol


That proves he doesn't follow SC2. MLG Columbus was the epitome of what E-sport could be.


[image loading]

If MLG can beat this then ..

Hmm what match was this again? :O


Are you serious?

you all seriously underestiamate the money side of all this. It is no wonder that a good game being properly funded, events, prizes etc. sooner or later will conquer such attention. This would never be possible if there was no funding.


This isn't about funding .. This is about Acceptance ..

If all people, old, young, teens, tweens, or what ever their age, their outlooks in life, their lifestyle Accept E-sport, then that can be a reality. If there is still social stigma towards gamers outside korea or china, then this MLG of yours will not be the "Epitome" of E-sport.



Oi oi, did you even read my post?

Show nested quote +

Perhaps I need to clarify my comment more. MLG was, what I felt, a true international competition of SC. Ignore the fact that Korean took 1,2 and 3. It was nonetheless competitive.

Furthermore, the atmosphere, the drama and the audience that screamed at every little detail and showered the games with so much love was exactly what I hoped to one day see in e-sport. What always draws me back to the mainstream sports was the passion of the audience. The World Cup is truly a great example of passion.

This passion is something I rarely see in e-sport, with rare exceptions here and there. MLG Columbus had plenty of it, albeit on a lesser scale. But it was absolutely what I hoped and wanted.


I was not replying to you .. I was replying to the guy that answered "its all about the money". and still I read your post and I perfectly understand the point you are conveying ..

AAAAAAAAAAaaannnddd enough of that ..

I hope Bisu or Best can do something about this lack of Protoss Indie League Champs these couple of seasons .. QQ
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
June 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#3371
On June 11 2011 19:31 _Quasar_ wrote:
I couldn't imagine a worse final. -____-

"Very interesting". =_____=

If somehow there was even an explanation what Zero could have done but didn't??? But there isn't such an explanation. Zero seemed to do anything right - and still lost. He never even manager to get out of the defensive. WTF.

If anyone could explain me what ZerO could have done better but didn't - probably I would change my mind about this final. -__-


Nate OSL was worse, because everytime I say Nate OSL someone come to correct me by saying "lol nate never sponsored an OSL".
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
June 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#3372
With a player as talented as Flash, Nada's most accomplished progamer title will be as good as Flash's, sad to say.....

Also, there's always next season for Bisu.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#3373
On June 11 2011 19:31 _Quasar_ wrote:
I couldn't imagine a worse final. -____-

"Very interesting". =_____=

If somehow there was even an explanation what Zero could have done but didn't??? But there isn't such an explanation. Zero seemed to do anything right - and still lost. He never even manager to get out of the defensive. WTF.

If anyone could explain me what ZerO could have done better but didn't - probably I would change my mind about this final. -__-

Competition is when you can do something to win and you opponent can. When you can do something and opponent has no option against it (even if it's hard to perform that "something") - it isn't competition.

Very much wishing Flash to drop out again at like Ro32 or Ro16 by a protoss/terran so that we are saved from such shit again.

His micro was pretty awfully sloppy today.
웅진 멘쓰즈
Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
June 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#3374
Flash should have GGed in game 3 just for game 4 to happen. This would be so bad manner ;-)
Member of the "Fuck Yeah, Canata !" committee :-) to join copy/paste this
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#3375
Flash just kind of took the series by the Bullhorns.

Zero made some pretty nasty mistakes with his mutas, and in the first game not reacting to all those rax in the first game until they were already at his 3rd was a HUGE mistake.

Game two he really did well holding off the inital aggression but Flash was playing contain + expand everywhere, and zero never was able to break the contain.

Game 3 was similar to game one but Flash still managed to contain Zero and take the entire map.

I'm not going to say "zero could have done this!!!" because Zero played pretty well, if you look beyond the "oh fuck I'm in the Finals with Flash" nervousness mistakes. Just...Flash is Flash and he's like, a whole different level of BW at the moment.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
June 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#3376
On June 11 2011 19:34 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 19:31 _Quasar_ wrote:
I couldn't imagine a worse final. -____-

"Very interesting". =_____=

If somehow there was even an explanation what Zero could have done but didn't??? But there isn't such an explanation. Zero seemed to do anything right - and still lost. He never even manager to get out of the defensive. WTF.

If anyone could explain me what ZerO could have done better but didn't - probably I would change my mind about this final. -__-


Nate OSL was worse, because everytime I say Nate OSL someone come to correct me by saying "lol nate never sponsored an OSL".


It was APC-Smart UPS MSL. -____-
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#3377
On June 11 2011 19:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 19:28 Hyde wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:27 moopie wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:26 Hyde wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:22 Torenhire wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:21 Hyde wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:19 Torenhire wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:18 doothegee wrote:
On June 11 2011 19:16 bearbuddy wrote:
Time to punch something then go to sleep. Damn. Congrats to Flash.

Woongjin fan group crying session inc

There's only like five of us anyway


Could be worse, there's only 2 STX fans.

Me and Mustaju. Lol.

Last count on Nov 2010 revealed at least 203 stx tags


lol 203!

Should update the count, I'm actually kinda curious about the TL tags and % of people wearing what.

Hey, it's better than 2 lol, only people I recall with the tags are you, must, cs, and thepol

Yeah I wish they would update it also. I imagine SKT recieves another boost in numbers haha :D

Badges alone don't mean lack of fans :3

Yeah I know, as I'm a fan of a few other teams too :D


I love STX.

As do I. My 2nd favorite team
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 11 2011 10:35 GMT
#3378
Can't believe people are downplaying the no vessel thing :o In set 1 he didn't have time or need to make some, but game 2 or 3 ? When 2 defilers just swarmed indefinitely ? That was just so boss :D I don't remember any TvZ that went past mid game without vessel from the terran, or perhaps I have a bad memory.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 11 2011 10:35 GMT
#3379
I'm still trying to decide whether or not this final was as one-sided as a mobius strip. It's disappointing to see so many one-sided SC finals nowadays...
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
June 11 2011 10:36 GMT
#3380
So happy that Flash is back at the top and proved that last season was indeed a total fluke.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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