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legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
May 24 2011 10:42 GMT
#81
On May 24 2011 19:22 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 19:20 4vvhiplash7 wrote:
On May 24 2011 18:57 legaton wrote:
There is no chance we are going to see Hive tech. Jaedong will beat him just by 9pooling three times, and rightly so as his ling control is the best in the world.


YES


because he knows his muta control is second only to Zero.


I actually agree. Jaedong's muta control is looking good again since mid-february, specially in ZvT, but on a straight fight, i believe Zero and Hydra muta control is better. Still, if you have to control mutas and a flock of scourges at the same time, Jaedong still is the best in the world and could probably beat both Zero and Hydra. If he wants to play it safe, donlings should be way enough to beat Zero.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 11:19:29
May 24 2011 11:18 GMT
#82
On May 24 2011 07:59 hacklebeast wrote:
I just remembered Zero vs Jaedong on aztec

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/49169_Jaedong_vs_ZerO/vod

Suddenly this series is more appealing.

I remember that game, one of best ZvZs of 2010. Hype :D

+ Show Spoiler [winner] +
no, its not because zero won... im not that biased
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 24 2011 11:29 GMT
#83
On May 24 2011 18:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 18:32 Djagulingu wrote:
On May 24 2011 18:14 _Quasar_ wrote:
I predict 3-2 in someone's favor... ZerO's ZvZ isn't bad at all recently.

I think Jaedong will tear ZerO apart. Jaedong vs Hydra finals would be just so good imo.


Why would anyone want a ZvZ finals,AGAIN!

Because Zerg race is AWESOME ^_^

We want Zerg to prevail! >
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
May 24 2011 11:48 GMT
#84
On May 24 2011 13:36 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 12:16 xarthaz wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:36 On_Slaught wrote:
JDs ZvT is probably the best the world has ever seen. It would be a travesty if we are robbed of a mu with Flash in this form b/c of a ZvZ.

Please win Tyrant!
Do you want to see poor Flash getting shredded apart by JD's mid game all-ins like the last couple of times? Or do you want to see nailbiting epic long macro games like the last Zero vs Bisu and Zero vs Flash. The answer is clear: for best entertainment, Zero vs Flash finals :p

When i first came into starcraft BW, i was taught that TvZ is imbalanced. I was taught wrong because my teachers were all Flash vs Jaedong VODs. Every time i watch the match up i used to think Flash wins because it's imbalanced. This is the first time in almost two years where Jaedong has a chance to convincingly beat Flash (nate MSL was a kind of maybe sortofish win)
On the other hand, queens dont beat turrets. Build. Set. Series.

The turret BS works on map with tight chokes. AKA Polaris rhapsody . Remember flash tried similar shit in his game against Zero on Benzene aswell, making hardcore turret lines along the edge of his bases. Also, flash was on 5 gas so he had a lot of gas to work with and he didnt have to even use turrets - he could use goliaths which deal way more damage lategame. And look at Zero, he dealt excellent with it. Got the broodlings on the tanks, killed the goliaths, annihilated flash's army.

Aah thats the stuff..
ggggbabybabybaby
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada304 Posts
May 24 2011 11:58 GMT
#85
Does anyone want to meet up beforehand and go to this series? I don't have anyone to go with at the moment
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
May 24 2011 12:00 GMT
#86
On May 24 2011 18:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:

Why would anyone want a ZvZ finals,AGAIN!


Because angry Flash fans and Hydra haters are really funny
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Pope
Profile Joined May 2011
Vatican City State53 Posts
May 24 2011 12:24 GMT
#87
On May 24 2011 20:48 xarthaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 13:36 Release wrote:
On May 24 2011 12:16 xarthaz wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:36 On_Slaught wrote:
JDs ZvT is probably the best the world has ever seen. It would be a travesty if we are robbed of a mu with Flash in this form b/c of a ZvZ.

Please win Tyrant!
Do you want to see poor Flash getting shredded apart by JD's mid game all-ins like the last couple of times? Or do you want to see nailbiting epic long macro games like the last Zero vs Bisu and Zero vs Flash. The answer is clear: for best entertainment, Zero vs Flash finals :p

When i first came into starcraft BW, i was taught that TvZ is imbalanced. I was taught wrong because my teachers were all Flash vs Jaedong VODs. Every time i watch the match up i used to think Flash wins because it's imbalanced. This is the first time in almost two years where Jaedong has a chance to convincingly beat Flash (nate MSL was a kind of maybe sortofish win)
On the other hand, queens dont beat turrets. Build. Set. Series.

The turret BS works on map with tight chokes. AKA Polaris rhapsody . Remember flash tried similar shit in his game against Zero on Benzene aswell, making hardcore turret lines along the edge of his bases. Also, flash was on 5 gas so he had a lot of gas to work with and he didnt have to even use turrets - he could use goliaths which deal way more damage lategame. And look at Zero, he dealt excellent with it. Got the broodlings on the tanks, killed the goliaths, annihilated flash's army.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYHjRDNLbP8

Thanks for this VOD. Do you know where I can find the 170 turret in Polaris RhapsodyÉ
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 13:25:23
May 24 2011 13:15 GMT
#88
On May 24 2011 21:00 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 18:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:

Why would anyone want a ZvZ finals,AGAIN!


Because angry Flash fans and Hydra haters are really funny


I don't hate hydra and I'm not an angry Flash fan,I'm angry because I'm made out to be one.

seriously,ever since the Ro8 Day 3 thread everything I say is "Oh you are an angry Flash fan who doesn't even know what you're saying."

I don't want to completely derail this thread so I'll give out some predictions.

JaedongZerO
JaedongZerO
JaedongZerO
JaedongZerO -------(Jaedong will do a mass speedling all-in andwins the game)
JaedongZerO
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
May 24 2011 13:19 GMT
#89
Teamspeak anyone???
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
May 24 2011 13:55 GMT
#90
On May 24 2011 22:19 Arnstein wrote:
Teamspeak anyone???


yeah,I'll join in If I can.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 13:56:08
May 24 2011 13:55 GMT
#91
JvF finals with Jaedong winning 3-2 in a hard fought series would probably be the best thing I could ever imagine at this point.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 24 2011 13:59 GMT
#92
Let's hope Zero has learned how to ZvZ. Always has had great muta micro, just a lack of gamesense when it came to ZvZ.
God Bless
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
May 24 2011 14:07 GMT
#93
On May 24 2011 22:55 Gescom wrote:
JvF finals with Jaedong winning 3-2 in a hard fought series would probably be the best thing I could ever imagine at this point.


If its as great I wouldn't even care who won because it would be amazing to watch.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 14:22:59
May 24 2011 14:22 GMT
#94
Yeah, but I feel as though Flash beating JD again would be kind of lame for the scene.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 15:35:49
May 24 2011 15:35 GMT
#95
My mind says Jaedong, My heart says Zer0. Better listen to your heart then. Zer0 3-1 HWAITING!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
May 24 2011 15:45 GMT
#96
Even as a KT fan I'd kinda like for Zero to win this MSL so I'm cheering for him, although I doubt he can best Jaedong
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
May 24 2011 16:01 GMT
#97
On May 24 2011 21:24 Pope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 20:48 xarthaz wrote:
On May 24 2011 13:36 Release wrote:
On May 24 2011 12:16 xarthaz wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:36 On_Slaught wrote:
JDs ZvT is probably the best the world has ever seen. It would be a travesty if we are robbed of a mu with Flash in this form b/c of a ZvZ.

Please win Tyrant!
Do you want to see poor Flash getting shredded apart by JD's mid game all-ins like the last couple of times? Or do you want to see nailbiting epic long macro games like the last Zero vs Bisu and Zero vs Flash. The answer is clear: for best entertainment, Zero vs Flash finals :p

When i first came into starcraft BW, i was taught that TvZ is imbalanced. I was taught wrong because my teachers were all Flash vs Jaedong VODs. Every time i watch the match up i used to think Flash wins because it's imbalanced. This is the first time in almost two years where Jaedong has a chance to convincingly beat Flash (nate MSL was a kind of maybe sortofish win)
On the other hand, queens dont beat turrets. Build. Set. Series.

The turret BS works on map with tight chokes. AKA Polaris rhapsody . Remember flash tried similar shit in his game against Zero on Benzene aswell, making hardcore turret lines along the edge of his bases. Also, flash was on 5 gas so he had a lot of gas to work with and he didnt have to even use turrets - he could use goliaths which deal way more damage lategame. And look at Zero, he dealt excellent with it. Got the broodlings on the tanks, killed the goliaths, annihilated flash's army.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYHjRDNLbP8

Thanks for this VOD. Do you know where I can find the 170 turret in Polaris RhapsodyÉ

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 24 2011 16:48 GMT
#98
hoping for zero vs flash
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
May 24 2011 17:46 GMT
#99
On May 24 2011 15:53 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 15:43 ibreakurface wrote:
On May 24 2011 05:05 Yxes2211 wrote:
If JD wins this, he's winning the MSL. Given his condition recently, if he can get passed this last hurdle I am sure he will win, whether Flash or Hydra advance.



What? If anything this is the easy hurdle for jaedong. Hydra played some amazing ZvZ vs jaedong last semi finals and beat him. It made jaedong not look like jaedong.

And flash is flash... enough said.


I said that out of a gut feeling, not on statistics, to me this is JD's biggest hurdle.

His ZvT is at 80% since Jan. and there is no way Hydra will beat JD again. It will be similar to what JD did to Calm the second time they met in a Bo5

My gut tells me if JD wins this, the MSL is his and we will all chant ABCDong


If you say so, but I have a right to say I told you so when he wins 2nd place to flash or Hydra
:) I play zerg. FOX AND KT ROLSTER COASTER FAN! Because I love everyone. Except bisu.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
May 24 2011 18:04 GMT
#100
If Zero made it to the finals, I'd still support Flash, but he's basically the only player I can think of where I'd still be happy if he won against Flash.

Second coolest zerg. (Hoejja is still number one.)
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